OBE's

[NOWIAM]

:welcomeani:

There are a lot of incredible topics floating around out there. And yet unfortunately most of them seem to be beyond the control of anyone to do anything about.

I often wonder why anyone wants to spend their life dealing with topics beyond their control? I can only guess that they find superficial satisfaction and entertainment from them. However, to be fair sometimes new ideas via "entertainment" can trigger useful actions and solutions.

I am of the opinion that there is at least one "incredible topic"which virtually everyone can experience first hand and has highly significant ramifications.

This is OBE’s (out-of-body-experiences).

Therefore, I would like to start this tread mainly for people to share significant experiences with their OBE’s. However, anyone is welcomed to comment or ask questions about OBE’s even if they haven’t had one.

In summary, I feel OBE’s are one of the most IMPORTANT conscious and objectively verifiable capabilities we have.

Look forward to hearing everyone’s experiences and views.

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[I_Am]

NOWIAM,

I agree with you that out of body experience (or lucid wakening, or dream body travelling, or whatever you call it) is a very important, very real and very mind boggling experience. Finding yourself in that state will inevitably change your view of reality of course. Me, I rely a lot on the books of Carlos Castaneda to guide me in how to control and develop my skills in this (and to control my fears in the daring steps into the unknown, in the pursuit of the undescribable).

I don't, however, agree with your opinion about the many threads out of the attendee's ability to change or "control". One of the clues about many of the "uncontrollable" issues lies also in the realm of the Dream Body - consionsess, focused thinking and groups of souls coming together has over and over again to provide real change!
This is what makes the Project Avalon so powerful, all these concerned, engaged and loving people coming together in this network is a new force that really soon will prove its powers.

Your thread here is very interesting and reveals something beyond curiosity that is good; might it be your own experiences in OBE? Tell us more please.

Best regards from Sweden.

:thumb_yello:

[Shakesbeer]

I had a "real time" OBE a few years ago that really rocked my sense of reality. I've always been a lucid dreamer but I didn't know what I was doing implication-wise. One day I took a nap and in my dream I stepped through dream symbols & into another location in my house and was viewing an event as it was taking place. I must admit it was pretty sweet. I think after that experience I realized how much intention plays into things, including these spontaneous "anomalies" ;) I actually am making a detailed video journal of this experience that I can post soon. It was one of those things where it's easier just to say what happened then to write it out.

[Enlightened]

I have been having OBE since 1994. The first one was really out of this world literally. I just felt my whole body vibrating intensely, and then after a few seconds, I came out of my crown chakra. I felt like I became something like light traveling in space, flying into our solar system on my way to earth, seeing the different planets along the way, and hitting the ocean on my entry into earth, and that's when I came back to my body.

Tha's basically one type of OBE that I experience, which involves vibration of my body. The other type is more like a lucid dream, ie. I become aware once inside my dream.

[Kate]

Thanks for starting this thread....a great topic!

I have had a couple of more 'standard' concious awake OBE's mainly when i was a teenager....the other one was sooo wild it still shocks me even a few years after it happened! has anyone ever experienced hoping into someone elses body?? I know..it sounds crazy to the average person...but it is possible!

I have always been fascinated with shamens ..epecially the indiginous shamens of south america/mayans/toltec tradition...and have read carlos casteneda... their explanations as to how a person can do seemingly magical things makes sense...but I still have no real idea how this happened to me...but the other person I 'swapped with' was also aware of what happpened and contacted me the next day to let me know....I was in total shock as i convinced myself i must have hallucinated the whole experience!

would love to hear from others that this may have happened to!

namaste
fire

[I_Am]

I had not slept for many hours this night. We where around fifty wanderers that had sought shelter at the mountain cabin. It was hot, humid and packed with people and equipment.
The man next to me had, however, no sleeping problems at all. In fact he was snoring...no, not snoring, he was sounding like he was a Boeing 747 with bad astma and on trottle up...
After hours and hours I was drifting between a state of surrender and sleep and complete catatonic mind.

Suddenly: I realized that I was no longer in my sleeping bag, but a few decimeters above it. Unable to move. But very calm. Just drifting slowly.

*** KABOOOM!!!***

I was pulled violently out through the window and away from the Swedish mountains, the vision blurred for a short while and then...

...And then I was rather calmly flying over a landscape of softly modelled hills, grass, bushes and a few white plastered houses with tiles on their roofs. Just flying. Still. No thoughts. Calmness in mind. Something (someone?) in my head told me / let me understand that this was southern France (where I have never been yet).

The experience was extremely real and detailed.

But, after a while I suddenly realized the most extraordinary fact that I wasn't just seeing the way I was used to, that is, one stereoscopic image, but rather experiencing four (4!) completely different views - In the same time!
The closest metaphor I can imagine is that it was very close to the Mars Rover images; I saw a front view, a left view, a right view and a most fantastic zoomed in front view (round; every straw of grass was clearly visible, every flower, bees and butterflies)- IN THE SAME TIME! And I could sense these four images paralell, equally intence. I mean, fully awake there is not way I could perceive more than one image at the same time...now it was no less than four. Like having 8 eyes and at least 4 brains hooked up in a small network.

Needless. After some time I became rather excited and the thoughts came back to me. And rather soon as my thoughts went into words, this amazing experience began to fade...

It was like I had been strung into a spring - I was hurled back. Back to my sleeping body in the sleeping bag in the cabin. And so it was over.

This was the most vivid, the most real out of body experience ever. Not at all discrete as many other lucid dreaming experiences I have had. Not filled with "noise" as the Remote Viewing sessions I hove been doing, but fully awake and extremely real! I really, really wish to come back to this state again...

[JohnWdoe]

Can one trully leave the body with his mind? I cant say... so thats what makes it real i guess...

I in no way have anything against anyone but i hope we as humanity can sort the real from illusion... This stuff makes it quite hard...

Peace!

[NOWIAM]

Great responses from everyone so far! Nice to see some of you sharing your actual OBE’s as well. For you folks, what do you think about sharing your interpretations on what they might mean, or how they might relate or benefit society, etc?

BTW: Just so everyone has some idea of where I’m coming from, I am experienced at OBE’s (although I have a long way to go) and I am also well studied on the topic.

Ok, let me address some comments which were made so far.

“I AM” broached an important observation about how people when working collectively together (even with mere intention) can get things accomplished. I wholeheartedly agree. For example, I believe through the years Art Bell (Coast to Coast A.M.) has effectively shown that when he gets all of his radio listeners to focus on a specific objective that it does affect change.

However, the above observation is different than the comment I made about people occupying their life with things beyond their control. I was speaking more about people (including me) who get caught up disproportionally in merely the entertainment or shock value of things.

BTW: 360˚ vision is quite normal in OBE’s.

“JohnWdoe” brings up a great issue. That is, how do we know the difference between illusionary or reality based OBE’s.

First let me say that I am of the opinion that everything is REAL, (whether it is subjective or objective based), if for no other reason than it EXIST.

The question is therefore not if the experiences are Real, but how do OBE’s relate to what individuals perceive as Real. And for most I imagine this means reality according to physical 3D. Again, a great question, but it can be rather involved.

For brevity sake let me say that there are OBE’s that can be mainly subjective (phenomenon which is a projection of one’s unfocused mind) and there are OBE’s which can be substantiated physically; such as having a friend place an object on a table at their home and you OBE to determine what that object is.

Ultimately distinguishing which type of OBE you have takes a bit of practice. Suffice to say, only through training ones consciousness to be lucid and alert in the now-to-now moment of life on a consistent bases (whether awake or asleep) will you be able to gain greater Reality based OBE’s.

And as I have observed here’s an interesting twist. When doing consciousness training your OBE skills will improve and there is virtually no limit to what you can witness and do on multi-dimensions. But the so-called “immoral tendencies” to take advantage of others or society through covert spying, predicting lotto numbers, voyeurism, etc, will disappear proportional to the degree you developed your conscious awareness.

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[just-us]

:welcomeani:

There are a lot of incredible topics floating around out there. And yet unfortunately most of them seem to be beyond the control of anyone to do anything about.

I often wonder why anyone wants to waste their life dealing with topics beyond their control? I can only guess that they find superficial satisfaction and entertainment from them. However, to be fair sometimes new ideas can trigger useful actions and solutions.

I am of the opinion that there is at least one "incredible topic"which virtually everyone can experience first hand and has highly significant ramifications.

This is OBE’s (out-of-body-experiences).

Therefore, I would like to start this tread mainly for people to share significant experiences with their OBE’s. However, anyone is welcomed to comment or ask questions about OBE’s even if they haven’t had one.

In summary, I feel OBE’s are one of the most IMPORTANT conscious and objectively verifiable capabilities we have.

Look forward to hearing everyone’s experiences and views.

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I re-posted your original letter because you have related my own emerging sentiments and i think some interesting ideas could come out of this topic.

Many of the topics are dealing with the 3-d reality, and in specific, perserving the reality/way of life. A way of living that is requisite of satisfying the physical desires/needs/wants. Doesn't OBE's show us that these can become less substantial. Isn't that really going to be the ultimate outcome of All This economic/societal/physical upheaval before we can shift out of and into the next dimensional vibration?

Why do we put so much attention into the details of the future when we cant know/control what they will actually become? Isn't this ironic, we are espousing the new paradigm and yet we're seeking to preserve the old one. maybe its like trying to give up a habit, its so ingrained in our thinking, layer upon layer, we feel the need to feed the beast.

I'm not saying we should lay down in the road and wait. We should actively pursue.....what? The new paradigm. Heres where i see OBE relating to near-death experiences. They can free us from an old paradigm if we can but find the energy and drive to purse them and experience the posibilities they can present. I'm still atthe outskirts looking into this country, and i have lots of questions and theories about OBE's. They're the direction i want to head in, so please everyone who may be inclined to post, do so, i'm interested in what youall have t o say on this.

Fare-well

[whitecrow]

My one true experience with astral projection came many years ago. It was an incredible experience in which I learned the rudiments of control and volition. I well remember the incredible vividness of perception, as well as having a 360º field of vision!

Fast-forward about four decades...I had another kind of OBE just the other night. I'd been visiting friends, talking about paranormal experiences among many other things...I'd been telling about an experience I had up among the sequoias in July 2000, when I'd seen thousands of tiny flickering lights move through the walls of the tent and out the other side, in a procession that lasted a couple hours...

Back home on my patio, I sat up after midnight and felt myself surrounded again by flickers of things that existed in the edges of my perception but never when I looked right at them. I felt I was getting an understanding of what this kind of experience might represent. I was in a kind of light trance state when I went to bed, very late.

Instead of going right off to sleep, I lay on my back in a continuing trance state. I was awake and aware of my surroundings, but at the same time I could feel myself drifting off somewhere else. Specifically, I was meditating on the light connection that each of us has directly to the divine heart of all mysteries. It appeared to me as a golden cable, glowing like the sun, that I knew was unique to me only in my own perception; it was the same connection that binds all things to Prime Spirit, and all to each other, for truly we are all intimately connected in so many ways.

I must have laid that way for a couple hours, neither asleep nor fully awake but in a state of trance. At a certain point I realized that I had left my body. I hadn't gone anywhere, but lying there in the predawn dark with my sleeping wife beside me, I realized I was more out of my body than in it. It came into my mind that I was in a sense dying, that if I let the process continue I could simply leave the shell and not come back. It was very peaceful, and part of me really wanted to go!

A part of me remained connected to my body, so that I could (and did), if I thought about it, move a finger or one of my feet. If I opened my eyes a bit I could see the shadows of the room around me. This part of me seemed very dim. Most of my awareness was intensely concentrated Someplace Else, somewhere along that path of golden light; I don't know where but it was filled with knowledge and light, and I wanted to be there. I'd been given permission, evidently, to look and no more. I sort of settled back into my body with a psychic sigh, turned over and went to sleep.

When I woke just a few hours later, I felt refreshed and inspired, not tired and dragged-out like I sometimes am if I stay up too late. There's work to be done.

I'm glad you brought up this topic. The more these experiences are shared, the more we all can see the patterns of quickening and awakening that are spreading across the world.


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[NOWIAM]

“just-us” 3D reality/illusion does seem to be only one dimension among many. There’s truly a vast universe(s) out there to be discovered consciously. Limiting our awareness and experiences to only 5 senses, etc, seems silly to me. If we are more than this then it is a natural rational function to explore all we can be (and w/o joining the army...lol).

But we should also be careful in becoming addicted to the journey and new discoveries. It seems more important to me to refine and master ones sphere of influence each moment-to-moment along the way. Why clutter up an already confused psyche with more stimuli and phenomenon when one is not even consciously connected here on planet earth?

Regarding multi-dimensional experiences and progression. There is a spiritual perspective that humans are at a particular stage of incarnation while in 3D where they can make volitional choices unique to this dimension to either evolve or devolve. Energy flows where attention goes.

As such, it depends on what type of energy you spent most of your time with. Everything, every thought, feelings, etc, vibrates a perceivable energy. We just need to become attuned to it. How do the things I spend my time with daily feel? Are they putting off a higher (elevated/light) or lower (base/dark) frequency? It doesn’t take long to develop the awareness to “feel” what type of energy a thing, person or place puts off.

A simple method everyone can do daily for measuring one’s predominate psychological energy (vibe) is to keep a dream journal. In doing this you will see patterns in how your subconscious and conscious minds are processing your daily experiences (absorbing them like a sponge). In a relatively short period of time you’ll get a sense of the overall vibe your psyche is focused on.

If you want to change your vibe then surround yourself with things, people, ideas, exercise, food, etc, that harmonize with you. In practice this is a significant challenge to be sure and there is usually a lot of trial and error but with perseverance you’ll see success.

Finally, let me interject here and say that all which glitters is not necessarily gold. Now I hope this doesn’t confuse anyone as it has been a significant challenge for me. But in spiritual work there is a tendency to ascribe the term “beneficial” only with “light” and cast “dark” aside. In my experience dark can have as significant value. Ultimately it may turn out that a Balance of polarities (Light/dark) is needed as opposed to a predilection for either alone. This is a tricky issue.

One particular view is that the challenge has nothing to do with either polarity in that they are both in the realm of Illusion. That we are supposed to learn detachment and cease ALL motion. Motion being equated with “desire”. That all animated existence (the multi-dimensional universes, etc) are a trap. Ultimately being escaped only when we still our minds (thoughts), feelings (desires) and attain Enlightenment or God-Union and what some of the Eastern sects call Nirvikalpa Samadhi, Nirvana, Satori, etc.

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[gundwolf]

Just to underline the statements of I_AM, no topic is beyond anyone's control. The fine folks at Project Camelot created this new site to empower each of us.

Regarding the issue of the reality or illusion of OBEs, the longer-term issue becomes power and intent. How is your own ego or insecurities or desires or want of power modifying your OBEs or making judgement of others. I do admit, in my background, like I_AM, was the study of Carlos Casteneda's books. Never assume that anyone, including yourself, is entirely good in use of power or intention. More, anything can be created into a reality. Anything can be discounted as an illusion. Even masters of OBEs can become victim to their own creations. You conjur it, you may end up serving it. Yes lucidity is important. Sobriety is mandatory. Always ask, "why am I doing this?" "Am I serving myself, others or an unknown?" (Yes, most people serve an unknown.)

Too, remember your scales when considering frequencies. There is a time and place for every "vibe."

Thank you for your posts! I am impressed by how engaged you are in your path.

[NOWIAM]

Hi “gundwolf”, good points...

If you’re speaking from a psyche or intellectual perspective then I would tend to agree that any “topic” isn’t necessarily beyond ones control (eventually). It seems to be the nature of mind to always derive workable philosophies (albeit incomplete).

However, when you delve into the physical level of incarnation, (physicality being equated to “mind” slowed down considerably), then are there not numerous topics beyond ones control? Or at least beyond ones immediate control? For example, anytime a political agenda, disaster, accident, etc, happens to a person without their conscious acceptance.

Of course I’m not speaking of whether or not an individual deserves such-and-such karmically. Since karmic issues are predominately unconsciously activated. I am referring to “conscious” topics and issues.

Does this make more sense?

p.s. You wouldn’t happen to be related to this guy would ya? :mfr_lol: :yikes:

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[Shakesbeer]

Here's a video I had originally shot for some friends about different types of OBE's I decided to add a few things on and just post it on youtube. The vid is about 3 OBE's that I thought people might think where pretty trippy. I tend to say "bad words" quiet often so sorry if that offends anyone :biggrin2:

Where Am I? pt. 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-Cj3HufP7w)
Where Am I? Pt. 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyW8U0GGaxo)
Where Am I? Pt. 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtakLGnuISM)
Where Am I? pt. 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7PCdBZ2CcQ)

Don't mind my mess ;)

[Carol]

Thank you for this thread. I've had a number of OBEs and NDEs.

The first OBE was with a car accident where I was suddenly OB behind my body while it impacted against the steering wheel. I felt no pain, only a distant sensation of impact while I watched from behind.

Another time I was in the middle of a sun salutation yoga posture and popped out while by body folded into the fetal position below me. I remember thinking to myself, "Now what!? How do I get back in?" Then I just knew... focus on inhalation. It worked.

Then there was the time I was doing OBE exercises with this psychic group I was involved with and managed to consciously lift up and out of my body over the bed.

In Scientology, there is this exercise one employs to also have this experience and that worked as well.

There were also a few OBEs as the result of drugs administered by medical professionals. For some reason, my body is ultra sensitive to drugs and does an OBE/NDE when this has happened.

There has also been a few OBEs as a result of years of spiritual practice (yoga and meditation). These were spontaneous and unexpected.

My mother once told me she had these experiences all of her young life until she married so perhaps this ability runs in families as well.

I will add this... experiencing oneself as an inter-dimensional being is literally awesome and "enlightening!"

[gundwolf]

NOWIAM, I am coming from a perspective of free will and dare I say, moral accountability. It is not a matter accepting that there are things that happen in this world that are beyond our control. What is in our control is how we respond to each event.

There are those who follow after "the law of attraction" and say that each person does choose the events that occur in their life, good and bad. There are others who believe that the choices are made by each of us in advance of our life as valuable learning experiences to cultivate our (eternal) souls. There are others who believe that we are held accountable afterward and face the consequences of our actions in reward or punishment. I don't judge why or how a person chooses one belief or the other.

My first point is simply that each person hold themselves accountable while they live. Live with a conscience, exceptional personal values and respect for others. Serve others and not just purpose that provide gain for ourselves. The psyche, the intellect, the mind, one's karma, one's consciousness are within our realm of personal responsibility. Moreover, whatever each of us accomplishes in this life, it is not just by our own actions, it is by the actions of others. (Some of these OBE stories sound like angelic visitations.) Everything we do impacts the lives of others.

These are wonderful stories about OBEs that people are sharing not just from their conscious and unconscious minds but their hearts. I am sensing so much love and vulnerability being expressed. These are life-changing events that have transformed the meaning and purpose of their lives. This is more than a process of our psyches to be analyzed. OBE's push a person out of their "self" orientation. In as such, they challenge the "ME" culture of self-indulgence. This is also the "spirit of Avalon," (nod to Project Avalon) where King Arthur is taken to transcend his suffering and heal from the wounds of battle.

This is a revolution of the soul, both in singularlity and in communion with other souls. It isn't about governments or philosophies, etc. The paradigm shift being discussed in these forum boards runs very deep. It transcends our issues and discussions. It requires making choices not by our conscious or unconscious minds but in who and what we are, the essential quality and nature of our being. It doesn't require mastery of secret teachings and practices. It is a matter of waking up every morning and asking, "who am I and whom and/or what do I serve?"

[Mizar]

Nice topic :original:
First OBE age 7
Next, age 10
Now, whenever I want.
Interesting the Shaman angle was mentioned, Great Grandfather was a respected Shaman in Centro America, I am going back to the homeland next year.
M

[NOWIAM]

Here is a FREE on-line book about OBE’s.

Astral Dynamics - The Book (http://www.astraldynamics.com/download/Online%20Works%20of%20Robert%20Bruce%20O4.pdf)

Astral Dynamics - Website (http://www.astraldynamics.com/)


Here are some links to scientific OBE related institutions.

The Monroe Institute (http://www.monroeinstitute.com/)

The Institute of Noetic Sciences (http://www.noetic.org/)

The Lucidity Institute (http://www.lucidity.com/)

International Academy of Consciousness (http://www.iacworld.org/)

Parapsychological Association (http://www.parapsych.org/)


Here’s are some audio and video files on OBE’s.

Tom Campbell (files at bottom of page) (http://www.my-big-toe.com/)

Albert Taylor (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWcjXuqICf0)

William Buhlman (http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix23m18Lr8A)


OBE's via Spiritual Paths

Gnosticism (http://www.dream-yoga.org/)

Matrix V - Quest of the Spirit (http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/welcome.html)

Yoga Nidra (http://www.swamij.com/yoga-nidra.htm)

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[Altered Species]

Thank god for this topic. I hope someone can help me out here or has some explanation for what i experienced. I had a very weird dream 2 nights ago and I think it may have been some sort of OBE that went WRONG. I have never had an OBE before, but 2 nights ago I was having this dream and even though I can't remeber the details that led up to this point, I was in this room and i said "I'm out of here." Well, all the sudden in my dream I start to levitate and I had actually reached the ceiling and I was bending my head and neck forward to not hit the top of my head. It was nothing fast like I was going to hurt the top of my head, it was real slow and i felt like I was controlling it to some extent. Here is the scary part, as I reached the top of the ceiling it was like something inside me, not my physical body wanted to continue upward, then all of the sudden I feel this tremendous painful vibration in the area from my stomach to the top part of my groin, it felt like an electrical shock. Well then I woke up, I mean I was wide awake.

Now, I think this was some sort of an attempt of an OBE because my mom has had these and had told me some time ago about them and mentioned some cord that actually attaches you to your physical body, and I think that may have been the reason for the pain in my midsection during this dream for what ever reason. I really don't know and this was probably 15 years ago, and at the time i didn't really buy what she was saying.

Just a couple of side notes, i have had previous dreams just recently in the past 3 to 4 years of being able to levitate and kind of control it. I have never had dreams of flying though like it seems many people have had. Most importantly, and what really scared me is that this is the first dream EVER where I have ever felt physical pain in a dream. This has really been on my mind and I can't get this dream out of my head.

I'm just wondering if anyone knows anything about this cord my mom described that actually keeps you attached to your physical body. I'm not sure if she said this cord attaches you to your physical body or not. It's was a long time ago and i can't remember exactly what she said.

[NOWIAM]

Hi "Altered Species"

Your experience about floating to the ceiling reminds me very much of Robert Monroe's first experience. He's one of the modern pioneers in this field. I highly recommend you read his trilogy (Ultimate Journey, Far Spaces, and my favorite, Journey's Out of the Body).

The “cord” you’re speaking of is commonly referred to as the "Silver Cord". It is said to always be there but not always observed. It is usually attached to a person’s midsection or forehead and is theorized to keep a live circuit or connection between ones astral body and their physical body. When a person dies it’s said that the cord separates. But I know of no known instance where the cord is broken or separated while one is active in an OBE. You can do a Google on it and find out more about it.

If you download the FREE Astral Dynamics book mentioned in my previous post the author speaks about the silver cord on pages 27, 84, 52-53, 397-403 and 544.

BTW: Was it an actual “pain” you felt or just an uncomfortable or unknown experience like a jolt? It's a common occurrence to be jolted back into the body and sometimes the shock of it causes a person to jolt physically tensing up their muscles. This can sometimes cause a bit of temporary uncomfortableness or pain.


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[Altered Species]

BTW: Was it an actual “pain” you felt or just an uncomfortable or unknown experience like a jolt? It's a common occurrence to be jolted back into the body and sometimes the shock of it causes a person to jolt physically tensing up their muscles. This can sometimes cause a bit of temporary uncomfortableness or pain.

Thanks for the info on the "Silver Cord."! I'll be sure to check it out. I wouldn't describe what I felt as a direct pain but rather a pain caused by the result of an increasing tremendous vibration in my midsection. The only way I can describe it is imagine if you were to use one of them massage machines that vibrates a certain area of the body and then imagine it had a dial on it where you could increase that vibration by a thousand. It wasn't a sudden jolt but rather a vibration that started out as something bearable that increased to the point of painful discomfort in about 3 to 4 seconds that eventually caused me to wake up imeaditely. When i woke up I was well aware of what just happened. It wasn't like one of those dreams that wake you up where you have to think about what just happened.

I have no way to validate this besides by assumption but I got a feeling that I tried to take this experience too far and that caused the painful vibration. It's like when I reached the top of the ceiling in the dream that was as far as i was supposed to go but i tried pushing it beyond this point.

[Shakesbeer]

You gotta remember, your "astral" or "etheric" body does not feel "pain" unless you want to. So if you're already getting the "vibes" as I call them, just allow your mind to know you're not in trouble or anything and ride it like wave. I believe the silver cord is metaphoric or on some plane we absolutely do not see it. I know I've never felt or been "tethered" by a silver cord in my travels. Either way, all you have to do is think it, and you're back in your body one way or another.

[franciejones]

I have been trying for a year now to get out of body without success. I am sure my failure is due to wanting it so badly. I love the thread and I agree that it truly expands awarness

[Shakesbeer]

That's cool, stay positive, it sounds like you're on the right track. :) It seems this stuff just happens or we get the ability when it's supposed to for us as individuals. Maybe you can look into Hemi-sync (http://www.hemi-sync.com/store/home.php) or I-doser (http://www.i-doser.com/). If anything they'll get ya feeling dizzy :thumb_yello: But seriously I know many have had good results with both products. I have tried the I-Doser things and they're interesting, I can see how they can be a very useful tool.

[being]

http://www.dream-yoga.org/

[Humble Janitor]

I don't know about OBEs but I have had very lucid dreams where I'd wake up with my hands in the air or something involving motion and then realize that it was all a dream. Mind you, some of these dreams were a little too personal. I have experimented with meditation in the past and a bit of mind-altering substances (weed). I often have a difficult time sleeping due to working 3rd shift and it's been a while since I've had a dream that didn't quite feel like a dream.

[capreycorn]

This "Baphomet" OBE got me puzzled to this day..

although I had some out of body experiences as a kid, I was most sceptical, almost contra- anything spiritual and religious in the first place.:thumbdown:
but everything changed, when I had this crazy out of body experience as teenager. it happened while I was wide awake and sober on a sunny summer afternoon, I suddenly couldn`t see out of my still opened eyes and began to hover out of the physical body; feeling so much more alive, sparkling and vibrant , I looked at my hovering body to see what made me feel so awesome sparkly; just to find, that my hovering body was covered with more hair than usual and it was as if i could consciously feel inside every single hair tip... and then i saw my feets melt away! I desperately thought "OMG! I don`t want to look like a cripple!" :sad: before l could see what my feet turned into, I moved out of my hairy self, and then just wanted to turn around to see what was happening!?. so I turned around and saw that my first astral body had a capricorn like head and looked pretty scary.:shocked:.I panicked and just wanted to run, because seeing the horns got me thinking it must be the devil.:yikes:.the experience stopped almost instantly thereafter.. the experience got me going to church voluntarily, trying to find god :tears:. it wasn`t too enlightening except for the speaking in tongues..so i gave it up and started to voraciously dig into out of body experience books, anything about ESP, etc...I was seeking knowledge about the event while being in a state of denial at the same time for quite a long time.:mfr_omg:
Only many years later did I begin to realize that the capricorn-me looked like a being called Baphomet. in retrospect I think that this baphomet merely wanted to "say": "don`t you forget about me" . I am convinced that baphomet is benevolent, but nowadays it`s mistaken for the devil, as the Templar`s persecutors needed to declare the spiritual growth promoting Baphomet as evil :wub2:.
I find that (spiritual) truth has to be found on a personal level. But I welcome any insightful input from others. :wink2:

[raulduke]

Howdy NOWIAM,

Thanks for the thread, I skipped it over a few times, probably because I didn't realise OBE stood for out of body experince. :lmfao:

I'm not sure if this qualifies, but I wrote a thread awhile ago called Lucid Dreaming.....http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4353&highlight=Lucid+Dreaming

I'll cut and paste it here though.

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Hi all,

I don't like to bore people w/ my dreams so I'll try to keep it short.

I had never actively tried to dream lucidly before but I was realtively aware of the triggers.

About three months ago I fell asleep as usual and began dreaming. At a discernable point I realized that I was dreaming and at the same time, realized that I had never been self aware in a dream before.

What I happened to be doing (in the dream) was driving down a specific stretch of highway that I often do in reality. Once I had realized that I was dreaming, I decided to see if I could will the car to fly.

The next moment I was free of my jeep and floating away from Earth. As I rotated to look back on the planet, I became scared that somehow I could not return. In a flash (out of fear) I did the only thing I could to stop the ride: open my eyes.

I sat up in bed, and was so disappointed in myself. Never before or since have I had a dream like that one.

I've since looked into Lucid Dreaming closer, but still no waking moments in my dreams. Maybe it is because I'm trying to hard.

I wasn't quite sure where to post this, but I thought the folks frequenting the Spirituality forum would have the best advice.

Any advice?

I would really like to see what would have happened if I wasn't so scared.

[NOWIAM]

Sorry I’ve been away folks. Nice to see that they are allowing us to write in this thread once again.

Let me address some of your great questions.

capreycorn: There’s a guy who is a practicing Aghora named Jade Sol who worships the Mother Goddess in her Hecate form. He has worked diligently on overcoming “fear” as a catalyst for spiritual growth through worshiping dark related subjects. Here’s his link. www.myspace.com/chandrajadeshankar

He seems to be a sincere person with good intentions. Not a demon or Satan worshipper or anything like that. Although his appearance and methods may strike people that way.

Anyway, I remember speaking to him a while back and he claims that Baphomet is the same “god” as Ganesh and also Saturn. So I imagine if you do some research on these deities you may be able to gain a bit more insight into your situation. I’m sure Jade would be happy to speak with you as well.

Yet ultimately academic study can only get a person so far. A better way to enhance our studies is not through books alone but through direct experience, and in this case via the inner worlds. Just make sure you are well capable of handling any situation which may arise as I’m sure researching Baphomet could be challenging, to say the least.


raulduke: Fear is a natural primordial response inside of us all which helps us to survive in our unpredictable and harsh world. But the more familiar and educated we are about something the less we tend to fear it.

The key to OBE’s (and Lucid Dreams) is to keep practicing. Keep it simple and safe at first by setting small goals. For example, simply try to look at your hands while dreaming. It helps to practice this throughout the day so you program your mind to remember to look at your hands. Practice it until you can do it at will.

OBE is all about learning to control our conscious mind. We are trying to overcome our tendencies to fall into unconsciousness by remaining lucid and conscious no matter the situation. Ultimately we seek to remain conscious while awake and asleep. So it is imperative to be consciously mindful throughout all of our daily activities. If we focus on the past or future (which is day dreaming or fantasying) then we will tend to be controlled or hypnotized by our unconscious when dreaming. But if we learn to live in the NOW continually then we will gain greater control of not only our waking states but also our dreams, etc.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/nowiam/DEORA_by_Karezoid.jpg

[Atk1d]

Some interesting books to read, and learn more about Obe's would be Dr. Robert Monroe, Journeys out of the Body,and Far Journeys.
He's also developed a great program to help others obtain the obe state, thru music "Hemi-sync" all of which should be found here: http://monroeinstitute.com/

Very informative, extremely cool journeys he's had, with a how to guide at the end of Journeys out of the body.

I've been trying myself to achieve this state of awarness(as a teenager one time)(adult now twice) but finding it difficult to maintain.

I found this site for your reading pleasure:
http://users.telenet.be/sterf/texts/other/journeys_out_of_the_body-monroe.pdf
Anyway, hope this helps.
Safe Journeys

[THE eXchanger]

called Baphomet. in retrospect I think that this baphomet merely wanted to "say": "don`t you forget about me" . I am convinced that baphomet is benevolent, but nowadays it`s mistaken for the devil, as the Templar`s persecutors needed to declare the spiritual growth promoting Baphomet as evil :wub2:.
I find that (spiritual) truth has to be found on a personal level. But I welcome any insightful input from others. :wink2:
If you utilise codes, The Templars hid isis/diana/ish-ish under the guise of Baphomet
brightest blessings
i wonder, if the luciferans, hid something
other than lucifer, under his name ?
HPB would NOT have called her newsletter
Lucifer, if, he was bad !!!
(perhaps, they have us hunting for jesus/
when, we should be hunting for lucifer)
i do NOT believe that lucifer,
has yet entered the 4th world,
although once, when tapping into timelines,
i did see something rather unique
when i was eXploring the start of this 4th world...

1) lucifer
2) the angel of unity micah
3) the angel of mystery zackiel
4) buddha
(and, wondered what the purpose was
for those four jumping in together???)

maybe the "dark" can NOT find "lucifer"
and, they do NOT want us to find him either
ahhh....the morning star
it wakes me up twinkling in the middle of every night
brightest blessings
of energy, light 'n love to all...

susan
the eXchanger

[Ant0ni081]

Here is a FREE on-line book about OBE’s.

Astral Dynamics - The Book (http://www.astraldynamics.com/download/Online%20Works%20of%20Robert%20Bruce%20O4.pdf)

Astral Dynamics - Website (http://www.astraldynamics.com/)



This is the First book i bought and practiced with a few years back now. Robert Bruce's instruction for mind and body preparation is easy to understand for first timers. Clear and practical information giving the reader a good basis to work on.:thumb_yello:

After having lucid dreams and meditating frequently for many years prior, a read through the Astral Dynamics book linked many of the experiences i had had in the past with astral projection.
What was to come to me in the years after practicing Robert Bruce's techniques was the most magical experiences i have yet had the pleasure of experiencing first hand for myself.

If you can spend a few weeks indulging in the body relaxation techniques and energy centre stimulation (all outlined and guided through in the book) you will be rewarded with amazement as nature takes its course and you drift free of your physical body and fully concious to the experience unfolding before you.

A magical time it is when you take that first desired leap into the air with the clear intention that you will float and then to discover that you are indeed bobbing up and down 3ft in the air. Flying whilst out of body and fully aware of who you are, where you are, what your doing was the slap in the face i needed to realize i actually could leave the limited physical body. Safe in bed it would remain while my focus was dancing on the roof tops of the houses down my street. And i've always felt that these out of body experiences feel more real and fill me with more life and energy that i rarely come close to in the physical waking state.

For those people that need their own first hand experience as proof that something is real to them, i would recommend you take a serious look at the idea of astral travel or lucid dream work.

Nothing drives it home more than experiencing a fully concious OBE that you have induced yourself from the physical waking state your in now.

setting out to have a OBE ---> meditating and body relaxation ----> the focus of subtle body energies ----->projection techniques ----> after these things comes the magic :) its at this point i first had voices speak (internal and external).

Things can get a bit bumpy and believe me it wasn't as easy for me the first few times. The closest i can link it to would be a film you see of men sitting in a space shuttle cockpit on take off to the moon.
(might sound cheesy i know) but if you can close your eyes for a second and imagion the intense violent shaking of the cabin at takeoff and the rumbling of all that power coming from deep within the shuttle launching you up and out into the unknown. The sensation that your hearts beating like a jackhammer and will soon burst free from your chest (over stimulated energy centre).
If any of you have had these early, and frankly quite scary, sensations you'll know what i mean. But lucky these can mostly be avoided WITH PREPARATION.

Read and take it slow. You WILL be rewarded with anything you can imagion. Whilst astral projecting or lucid dreaming, your closer to being that living god, you are the creator. Anything your mind can muster will be. Bad as well as good. Focus on the positive and bath in light, you cant go wrong.

:thumb_yello:

Takecare all

[Rebel4Life]

I have been having OBE since 1994. The first one was really out of this world literally. I just felt my whole body vibrating intensely, and then after a few seconds, I came out of my crown chakra. I felt like I became something like light traveling in space, flying into our solar system on my way to earth, seeing the different planets along the way, and hitting the ocean on my entry into earth, and that's when I came back to my body.

Tha's basically one type of OBE that I experience, which involves vibration of my body. The other type is more like a lucid dream, ie. I become aware once inside my dream.

So before you have an OBE your whole body vibrates? that's funny I almost had one once...I might have been pushing myself hard but this healer was trying to scare me into thinking that I could have died from that(body shacking heart attack basically)...I for one am not afraid of death. If i were to die then it would be my time to go no fear at all. Not only that but I think the reason I was born in this era is for making the "real change possible".:smoke:

Peace,
Rebe4Life

[Ant0ni081]

I might have been pushing myself hard but this healer was trying to scare me into thinking that I could have died from that(body shacking heart attack basically)...
Rebe4Life

Thats not an option :) impossible to die.
You firstly have to remember although you will feel vibrational sensation acting on the physical body, the violent natured sensations some people have whilst inducing an OBE will be purely of the energetic level.

Simply anyone seeing you physical body, you'd look peaceful and still to them. where as the energetic sensation you will be feeling many be far from still.

Easy way to think of it is that you naturally OBE every night when you enter dream states. And no ones worried about dieing by falling unconciouss into the dream state. The point being that your keeping focus on the processes of your body falling to sleep (heavy body feeling) whilst your mind is clear and focused on the sensations (energetic vibrations) you would otherwise not notice due to your mind falling asleep along with the body.

Lack of research and first hand experience on the "healers" part.

Your safe . . . nothing to fear . . . remember that and enjoy the ride. That fact you have felt the first stages of inducing a OBE yourself is excellent start.

Patience plays a great part here. . . stick with it! :thumb_yello:

Takecare all

[NXS]

Thank you for this thread. I've had a number of OBEs and NDEs.

The first OBE was with a car accident where I was suddenly OB behind my body while it impacted against the steering wheel. I felt no pain, only a distant sensation of impact while I watched from behind.



You and I share a similar experience. Back in my high school days, a friend and I were going on a double date with our respective others. He had just got his drivers license, and was the only one out of the rest of us who had one, so obviously this was a pretty big deal. Anyway, there's this fairly steep descending curve that runs along the hillside on the road we were traveling. When we got right into the center of the curve, at its steepest point, the tires on the car (Mid 90's Camaro) squealed and did a little bit of a tail-whip before straightening out perfectly. Needless to say, being the immature high-school kids that we were, and completely new to driving without parental restriction, we got all hyped up - as if it was the coolest thing ever. Of course, we decide to turn around and do it again, because; A) - The girls weren't close to being ready when we called them prior to heading out; and B) - It looked, felt, and sounded cool as hell. At least, that was our reasoning back then.


Well, the second time we started into the curve, my friend was going quite a bit faster than he had previously, so by the time we got into the first part of the downward bend, we knew we were in trouble. He panicked, and hit the breaks too hard, and the car started to fishtail. It was at this point that everything seemed to slow down. I'm sure you've seen those effects in movies, where everything almost comes to a standstill right before the point of impact, or whatever, but that's how it was. I could see my friend's face looking scared to death as he began cutting the wheel towards the hillside, to keep us from going over the edge of the mountain. Then, after that, somehow it was as if I was floating over the car, looking down on everything that was happening, still in slow motion, but at a viewpoint to where I could see if any traffic was coming from either direction of the curve's end. A real panoramic view to be honest.

After what felt like 5 to 6 seconds (but in all reality couldn't have been more than 1 or two) I was back inside myself, looking straight ahead, being seconds away from plowing head-on into an exposed piece of sleight rock that was sticking out of the hillside. I reached over and grabbed the wheel, and got us back on the pavement. I can't remember anything else that happened from that point, until almost a quarter of a mile on down the road, when my friend pulled over at a clearing to see what kind of damage the car took.

Once I gathered myself, I told him about what had happened, and asked him if anything similar happened to him, but he said he was so scared he didn't have time to think about anything other than praying to God that he wasn't going to die.... lol. Anyway, we got lucky with the car. The only damage it took was a bent rim, so we slapped on a spare, and very carefully, continued on with the rest of our evening.


I've never experienced anything like this before, or since this happened, but it felt as genuine as anything I've ever experienced in my life. Over the years, I've tried and tried to recall the lost time I experienced after steering the car back on the road, but have never been able to do so.... I've never really talked about this with anyone else other than my friend who was there with me.... so thank you for giving me the opportunity to share this with you.

[capreycorn]

[QUOTE=NOWIAM;56374][SIZE="3"]
He seems to be a sincere person with good intentions. Not a demon or Satan worshipper or anything like that. Although his appearance and methods may strike people that way.

Thank you NOWIAM,
i looked into Jade`s link. he`s cool and what he writes is very interesting.
i`ll check the internet (and youtube) if there`s more from him.

Anyway, I remember speaking to him a while back and he claims that Baphomet is the same “god” as Ganesh and also Saturn.
now that you mention this.... during childhood, saturn was my absolute favourite planet.(the ring)..the elephant "ganesh" is a figure i liked a lot for quite a while..

Yet ultimately academic study can only get a person so far. A better way to enhance our studies is not through books alone but through direct experience, and in this case via the inner worlds.
i wholeheartedly agree with you.... in addition to that, i`m not into the occult:mainly the use of rituals and symbols (magick?)....naah!.. (to me rituals are a farce...be it catholic or satanist = samesame)

Just make sure you are well capable of handling any situation which may arise as I’m sure researching Baphomet could be challenging, to say the least.

here`s what i found so far regarding baphomet..
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=55234&postcount=99

the thing i begin to fear most is the christian religion and its dogmas - a tremendous psychological barrier for OBE`s and spiritual growth (for me and probably for others as well). although the inquisition is over, "fear-of-the-inquisition" "thought-energy" is still here and the executions can still be felt. (my high school teacher let us walk indian-file around a church and later asked us, if we noticed or felt anything...some mentioned the nice tree and the flowers..but i felt like choking at the church`s tower and told him so..upon which he said, that it was the very place where witches were beheaded in the old times)
nowadays, the great mass of christians still acts like a nonlethal-psycho-inquisition.
studies are important to alter the misinterpreted, inaccurate and confusing "christian scripts" which have been imprinted since early childhood..they are "legion" and too strong to just delete/defeat..such "mental script processes" must be nudged the right way..

which reminds me of another probable misinterpretation of the bible:
"the rise of a the multi-horned-beast and its empire"; keeping in mind, where and when that was written, it could only have meant the roman empire not the USA. (as long as the bible is not to be thought of as ultimate book of truth for "the carmic" loops of infinity :mad3:)


anyhow..i`m thinking about getting in touch with Jade ..but not right now..
(the occult ritual elements..):wink2:

thanks a lot NOWIAM:thumb_yello: