Weirdest thing that happened to me yet on the road…

[Baggywrinkle]

Tuesday, December 16, 2008


The day before yesterday I was driving through General Paz highway.
About 4 PM, not a lot of traffic but still several cars around.

Minding my own business as usual when suddenly the car in front of mine starts slowing down (little red flag in the brain went up), and from the front passenger’s window a guy pulls most of his torso out of the window and points towards me with something in his hand, at first I thought it was a weapon, but instantly recognized the deodorant kind of bottle shape that protruded from below.
He started spraying my windshield with foam!
The instinctive thing to do would be to hit the brakes, but given the speed and cars near by, it would have been a big mistake.

I already had my gun out, so I went right and got close to the AH, pointed the gun to his face. (AC doesn’t work so the window was down)
He made the usual “entire life flashes before your eyes” face people put when you do that, eyes opened wide, combination of stupidity and surprise look.
He started shouting something to the driver.
They immediately slowed down and disappeared, didn’t see them again.
I don’t know if they wanted to carjack me, or just cause an accident, but being cautious always worked out for me.

Just wanted to share that because I thought it was pretty weird.
People here sometimes get robbed after they throw stones into the windshield, but this is the first time I saw this foam thing being used in such a way.

FerFAL
http://ferfal.blogspot.com/

[Antaletriangle]

Wild experience there-that could have easily gotten out of hand in one way or another!!Strange foam usage i normally use it to have a shave!!lol.

[futureyes]

weird indeed, in that moment i wouldn't have known what the bleep is happening ... or WHY!

regardless of their agenda, good thing you evaded an accident in the interim, someone's watchin over you :original:

weird though ...

[Humble Janitor]

Let me get this straight: They spray foam at you and you pull out a gun? Wouldn't that have made the situation more dangerous than it needed to be?

Probably a bunch of stupid kids playing a prank.

[Czymra]

Dude, girl, which I don't know, your second amendment right scares the **** out of a European like me.

[Baggywrinkle]

Dude, girl, which I don't know, your second amendment right scares the **** out of a European like me.

That was in Argentina my friend.

Thank God for our second amendment.

The police are no longer there to protect and serve. They only arrive after the fact to make out reports and
collect bodies. Your self defense is your responsibility so that you can be there to answer the officer's questions.

http://www.keepandbeararms.com/

[David]

I think your actions were justified. People will shoot and kill you for no reason at all. This simple prank could have caused you to wreck and in my book, that's attempted homicide.

I was driving down a one lane country road one night and came up to a truck stopped in the road with it's lights on and engine running. I thought I would be nice and wait for him to finish whatever he was doing and let him continue. I waited for 5 minutes and during this time the drivers actions were seemingly suspicious when he kept looking around. I then backed up 50 feet and scanned the area around me and waited another 5 minutes. At this point I was getting nervous and with no where to turn around I inched my way around the truck. The guy in the truck then takes off and speeds up to me as if he is trying to run me off the road. This cat and mouse chase continues for the next heart pounding 15 minutes and then he suddenly pulls off the road and don't see him again. If I was carrying a gun that night, someone was going to get shot.

[Czymra]

None of this happened to me.... but let me ask you guys a question:

There are rather few people here (supposedly) that wear arms.... alright I can fight with a stick but that ain't getting me far against firearms. There must be more 'subtle' way of 'defence', like not getting yourself in trouble?

I may sound silly but I seem to be 'well protected' as I've just never encountered these situations or just left before they arose.

Any thoughts?

[David]

I understand what you saying but in my case, this was an ambush for a random car. If I had stayed any longer, my outcome could have been grim.

[Antaletriangle]

I once had a revolver pulled on me in a pub in sunderland.Myself and a mate were having a beer one afternoon in this pub and there was just me,my mate and then this bloke walked in with short,blond hair,brown leather and stood at the bar-he started smiling over at me-i ignored him and carried on talking-i remember sting was on MTV talking about rainforests (back in 1990/1 this was).Anyway,i looked over at this guy and he was pointing a gun at me with his coat half opened and smiling at me nodding his head-i didn't know what to do at this point there were two lads toy fighting near to where i was sat-i grabbed their attention and told them about the guy at the bar in a diplomatic manner-they soon stopped their fighting as now he was pointing this gun at them!!Me and my mate left our half drunken beers and left sharply but this was soon after the hungerford massacre in the U.K. My mind just went blank when he pointed it at me-i didn't know him-no-one did-weird and very dangerous situation for no reason!!It goes to show that anything can happen at any time without any provocation whatsoever.:nono:

[Dantheman62]

None of this happened to me.... but let me ask you guys a question:

There are rather few people here (supposedly) that wear arms.... alright I can fight with a stick but that ain't getting me far against firearms. There must be more 'subtle' way of 'defence', like not getting yourself in trouble?

I may sound silly but I seem to be 'well protected' as I've just never encountered these situations or just left before they arose.

Any thoughts?
You are right but sometimes you are just in the wrong place at the wrong time! I was a semi-professional pool player for years which put me in alot of bars, all over the US, in alot of weird situations, and never once had any problems! I mean some of these bars were on the very wrong side of town (if ya know what I mean), I was lucky I guess, had a few problems, but the smartest man always walks away from confrontation! Game of pool anyone? HaHa LOL!

[Orion11]

jeeez!!

man, Im glad you were armed baggywrinkle.

Maybe those AH's will think twice next time before acting like loveless idiots.

really trying to hold back on words i have for those people. lol

glad your safe BW.

[Zeddo]

None of this happened to me.... but let me ask you guys a question:

There are rather few people here (supposedly) that wear arms.... alright I can fight with a stick but that ain't getting me far against firearms. There must be more 'subtle' way of 'defence', like not getting yourself in trouble?

I may sound silly but I seem to be 'well protected' as I've just never encountered these situations or just left before they arose.

Any thoughts?

For what it is worth this is my take. You attract to you what you create. If you wear arms, be prepared to use them because you will CERTAINLY attract the situation where this is necessary. We create our own reality and these types of incident are a result of your reality created by you.
I am probably wrong, but that's my thought on it anyway.

Seeing as how this is my first post here let me add a little to this response, even though it may not address the primary subject at hand.

I have been reading a lot of the posts and it was 50-50 as to whether I joined this site or not. I tend to follow "the voices within" so went for it even though I had a few feelings of "Why would someone post such nonsense here, I thought this was supposed to be the ground crew?" When I read about guns etc I really begin to wonder. I was held up and robbed by 2 cowards with guns, physically dragged from my vehicle, had the one put his gun to my head and pull the trigger. The gun misfired. The would be murderer took off and 2 K's down the road ran into a police road block. They leapt out the car and disappeared into the sugar cane plantation leaving their weapons on the seat. The local farmer had been in touch with the police by radio and knew of the hi-jacking and attempted shooting. Upon inspection of the weapons they dicovered that one had been fired (firing pin indentation on the round) but the wrong ammunition had been used.
Lets recap. I said you make your own reality, wear a gun expect trouble. Why would that happen to someone who refuses to wear a weapon? My own reality, but my own reality left me shaken and not killed.
What is the point I am trying to get to here. Just this. I was harping on about the "ground crew". I don't think too much of a group who still see violent means as an answer, even under the given circumstances. We need to move forward and beyond "self-preservation" and start to think in a more global sense (make that cosmic rather than global). This is not a case of "How can I save my and my families rear-end. This is at a stage now where we have to start bringing global/cosmic help to bear. Let me say it this way. It isn't "What can I do to save me?" but more of "How can I possibly be of help to all of those out there, even them that sleep?" ONLY then will be begin to recreate this mess we call reality into something which will lift us to the next level. We are after all, each and every one of us, a part of the single. We all affect each other and the sooner we get our heads out of our backsides and stop "Playing ground crew games", the sooner we will impact this density and make a difference such that (hopefully) we all move up to the next density.

I better sign off. Nice meeting you folks. Let's be real and let's get rid of our egos as I see a lot of ego in project camelot. As long as ego rules, we are doomed.

Peace, light and love to all of you.

[Czymra]

For what it is worth this is my take. You attract to you what you create. If you wear arms, be prepared to use them because you will CERTAINLY attract the situation where this is necessary. We create our own reality and these types of incident are a result of your reality created by you.
I am probably wrong, but that's my thought on it anyway.

That's exactly my thinking. Nevertheless, I respect the second amendment. It's been there for a reason and may just about stop some of the **** going down.

[Swanny]

Watch out, not a good idea to pull a gun on anyone, there's always someone out there with a bigger gun that will not only pull it but also use it.

[Baggywrinkle]

jeeez!!

man, Im glad you were armed baggywrinkle.

Maybe those AH's will think twice next time before acting like loveless idiots.

really trying to hold back on words i have for those people. lol

glad your safe BW.

Well thank you for the kind thought. That was not me in the story, but Ferfal
the argentine blogger. As a researcher I try hard to bring content relevant to
Avalon and what is happening today.

While concealed carry is on our list, we wish to do it properly which means
a trip to a good school such as Thunder Ranch http://www.thunderranchinc.com/

We do keep longarms in .223 and .308 and we are good enough to be taken
seriously in a dispute. Did I mention that we are also night vision capable?
On our home turf, in a dispute, we own the night. They're intended purpose
is varmints, specifically coyotes.

[Dantheman62]

Yeah I noticed that Baggy, some of your threads start right in to the story or article and some people have mistaken them for your own personal story or article. Like the one in this thread, it starts right in, instead of you saying....Here's an article from ferfal. HaHa, I don't care, just an observation! LOL! Oh yeah, thar's varmints in them thar hills!

[Baggywrinkle]

Yeah I noticed that Baggy, some of your threads start right in to the story or article and some people have mistaken them for your own personal story or article. Like the one in this thread, it starts right in, instead of you saying....Here's an article from ferfal. HaHa, I don't care, just an observation! LOL! Oh yeah, thar's varmints in them thar hills!

I do post the articles with a link to the original, and Ferfal's signature is at the end.

The only lethal shots I've ever fired in anger were at
chicken killing critters. I hope it stays that way. We
count ourselves members of a peace church. I take it
seriously. Having said that I'm far from being a perfect
pacifist - someone who can stand and pray while his family is being abused. I'm working on it. Until then, the
lead shall fly true.

Now you want to talk about night vision. I can do that
from personal experience. I have a laser that will paint
a target and help illuminate it a quarter mile away. But
you won't see it because it is infrared. We've also got
a really cool heat sensor - a game finder. It's a wicked
wicked tool when slung underneath a shotgun. Listen for
the heat and shoot in pitch black conditions which are
common where I live. Even cover will not hide. It's the next best thing to a ten thousand dollar thermal weapon
scope. I love techie toys. These were before we started
down the luddite path.

I do have one decent story for you. Raccoon vs night vision enabled shotgun. Our chickens are free range. At
night they sleep in a hoop house surrounded by an electric net. They'd been fighting and several had started roosting in our plumb tree which lies on it's side.
We didn't know they were there. At oh dark thirty a raccoon grabbed a couple of them. They screamed like
little girls waking me up out of bed like a shot. Down the stairs nv scope in hand, out the door with the shotgun butt naked towards the sounds. By the time I arrived all was silent as I stalked barefoot down the drive. Scope in one hand shotgun at the hip in the other. Then there he was standing by this tall fir on his back legs watching me. The hen was at he feet, traumatized. I blasted the sucker from 20 feet away, but alas it was just bird shot!
Up the tree he went about half way and stopped looking at me. Now remember, it is so dark you cannot see your hand in front of your face. I blasted him again and up the tree he went this time to a fork about fifty feet high.
He peeked out at me and got a face full of bird shot. That was it, he was gone up the tree.

Here's the best part. That chicken was still alive. He'd grabbed her by the head and ran with her to his tree and didn't have time to kill her. It took three weeks of dropper feeding for her to recover. Today she's blind in one eye and still with us. Tame as can be and a good layer. We call her Miracle. That was a year and a half ago.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/114-1416_IMG.jpg

[Dantheman62]

HaHa I love your stories Bw!, nice pic too. You say.....We've also got
a really cool heat sensor - a game finder. It's a wicked
wicked tool when slung underneath a shotgun. Listen for
the heat and shoot in pitch black conditions...., How do you listen for the heat? Does it give off a tone? Either a high or low pitch or something?

[Baggywrinkle]

HaHa I love your stories Bw!, nice pic too. You say.....We've also got
a really cool heat sensor - a game finder. It's a wicked
wicked tool when slung underneath a shotgun. Listen for
the heat and shoot in pitch black conditions...., How do you listen for the heat? Does it give off a tone? Either a high or low pitch or something?

It has visual and audio mode. As a defensive weapon it
is an unfair advantage. Slung underneath the barrel of
a shotgun, ear plug disengages the LED display and you
get a geiger counter tone in your ear when it points at
heat. Steady tone means shoot. Here it is!

http://www.opticsplanet.net/aimheat35.html

All you'd need would be a thin opaque screen to sit behind to allow the heat sensor to do it's thing. It could
also be used offensively, but would require much practice
to sort out false positives. This also has the visual/infrared laser pointers which are bright enough to use as an illuminator. Used by a spotter/ sniper team
mounted on a spotter scope it would be bad news. It emits nothing unless you turn on the laser. Not bad for
off the shelf.

[Dantheman62]

Very cool and it's on sale too! and batteries ARE included! Have you ever checked for thermal losses around your house? Oh on that site they have FLIR Night Vision equipment, 10,000 dollars, why is it so expensive? what goes into it to make it so?

[Baggywrinkle]

The cats love to chase the visual laser dot.

[Dantheman62]

Oh yeah!

[Baggywrinkle]

Very cool and it's on sale too! and batteries ARE included! Have you ever checked for thermal losses around your house? Oh on that site they have FLIR Night Vision equipment, 10,000 dollars, why is it so expensive? what goes into it to make it so?

Flir thermal vision blows generation three night vision away. It can even "see" through smoke

generation three/four night vision
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D66MwT34TZg&feature=related

FLIR thermal vision
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fx7_D0E7zg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oma5lkrt3d8&feature=related

As you can see it is worth the cost if you are serious
about seeing in the dark

[Dantheman62]

coooool!!!!!!!!, thanks!

[Orion11]

wow!! i love the techie toys to!! wish i didnt sometimes. lol
and DOH on me! sorry i didnt realize that was from someone else...

that sounds like an awesome lil tool man.

and man... if that NV shot is from your yard...

can we bring our telescopes out? lol

do you own a telescope that you use out there?
if not... whyy nott?? lol

bet the views would be amazing!

[Baggywrinkle]

wow!! i love the techie toys to!! wish i didnt sometimes. lol
and DOH on me! sorry i didnt realize that was from someone else...

that sounds like an awesome lil tool man.

and man... if that NV shot is from your yard...

can we bring our telescopes out? lol

do you own a telescope that you use out there?
if not... whyy nott?? lol

bet the views would be amazing!

This is Seattle where it rains all the time. That's why
it is so dark here in the country. The two days of the year the sky is clear the forest itself blocks out ambient light.

Gen 1-4 night vision takes available ambient light (the original gen1 units in Vietnam were called starlight scopes) and amplifies it on the screen. No light, no picture. In the above military video there is a fair amount of ambient light. The remedy for no or too low
light conditions is an illuminator which emits light in the
IR spectrum. Herein lies the rub. The human eye detects
light up to about 700nm and will see the garden variety
illuminator as a dull red glow. Bad news for someone in
a firefight. If the intended targets also have night vision
an illuminator is a big neon sign on your forehead that
says shoot here.

One work around is an IR filter above 810 nm to omit almost all visible light. It will still glow red, but you have to be within about twenty feet and know where to look.
You can buy such filters and add them to any floodlight to make an instant NV illuminator.

This brings me to the second work around. Emitting ANYTHING that reveals your position is a bad idea. If you are in a defensive posture and desire to have a look at the back yard without lighting up the world offset IR floodlighting is the way to go. This may be done with IR LEDs or filters over existing security lighting. Say two floods aimed at the front yard. One white, one IR. Just be sure you hit the correct switch! Most intruders will not be NV equipped. If they are it is an indicator of their level of sophistication. So when you flip on the offset IR flood and they shoot it out; #1 the game is on, #2 they have revealed their own position, #3 you are up against some serious hombres - possibly swat and your avenue of egress is most likely blocked by a sharpshooter. The pucker factor just went up by a factor of ten. But at least you know. If it is SWAT they are watching YOU through
the wall with the above mentioned hand held FLIR. Feel
better now?

The photo is not mine. It is just a lovely NV camera shot
through an Eotech holographic weapon sight. An eyeball
view is much brighter with higher clarity than the camera
is capable of. Yes, night vision star gazing is a wonderful
evening spent. Norval spoke of it in one of his threads. I never bothered with a camera adapter with other more pressing matters at hand.

There are two NV capable sighting systems, Aimpoint and
Eotech which are worth your time and money. Here is a
comparison of the two

http://lib.store.yahoo.net/lib/opticsplanet/eotech-field-of-view-vs-aimpoint-img-5.jpg

Both are in active use by the U.S. military
The disadvantage to these units is they require batteries.
Bad idea to allow your life to depend on batteries...

The U.S. marines like the Trijicon ACOG which is low light
rather than NV capable. This tritium based reticle requires no batteries and is built to be "marine proof" tough. This reflects in the price tag....
but it will still be with you after your Leupold or Bushnell
has turned tango uniform and died.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pux3ZkyxRbI&NR=1

Perhaps one day for the .308....but it is several items below body armor, concealed carry, and muirs perimeter alert....we are defensive, not offensive.

[Dantheman62]

Yeah, I could hang out with Baggy for awhile!!!

[Orion11]

we are defensive, not offensive.

perfect.

:wub2:

great info man, thanks!

[Baggywrinkle]

Regarding NV itself.


Don't waste your time on gen 1 This is forty year old technology. It isn't much better then the naked eye.

Gen 2 would be okay in an urban setting. Plan on a very good illuminator.

For canopy covered rural environment you will need gen 3 or above. Under canopy on an overcast night you will
still need an illuminator for gen 3.

Within generations there are grades of tubes and the cost
varies with the quality. Basically there is grade A and everything else. Grade A is military spec. Grade B didn't make the cut but is still acceptable. If you are doing S&R
for a lost child in the forest you will want Generation 3 with a grade A tube. ($$$$) or gen 4 if you can find it and
afford it. Price ranges 200 & less gen 1. You get what you pay for. 300-1500 gen 2 variations in quality of the tube. 900-5000 gen 3 again with variations in quality of the tube. 4000 and up gen 4.

If you are considering NV (for christmas :) ) I recommend a monocular rather than a binocular. Besides looking like the serial killer in silence of the lambs you will be blind when you take the NV off. One
defense against NV is a flash bang or a simple camera flash to blind you and the NV. If you only have one eye in the tube at least you will still have one night adjusted eye to stumble about with!

The queen of civilian monoculars is the mini14
http://www.securityprousa.com/mi14mo3rdgen1.html

also known as the AN/PVS 14 A used by the American military.

I should add that this hardware is classified as a munition and is not available for export. If you reside
outside the U.S. there is hardware available but you will need to exercise your own due diligence
to see what is equivalent to what.

[Czymra]

perfect.

:wub2:

great info man, thanks!

Indeed, that was just what info I needed regarding that other IR Video Thread.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=96708#post96708

Thank you so much.