Video posted by deb003. you must see it.

[burgundia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StHl5SLO6v0

[henners]

That was very disturbing and brutal. I was extremely upset to see the hatred that these people have for each other. We are truly animals. No wonder these "beings" (ET's) do not want to interfere with our lives. We are brutal savages with no regard for human life.
I am sorry but situations like this really upset :mad3:me.

[burgundia]

That was very disturbing and brutal. I was extremely upset to see the hatred that these people have for each other. We are truly animals. No wonder these "beings" (ET's) do not want to interfere with our lives. We are brutal savages with no regard for human life.
I am sorry but situations like this really upset :mad3:me.

I haven't been upset like this for a long time.

[burgundia]

I have just read comments that this was in Iraq but they posted it as if it happened in gaza. We'll see.

[deb003]

I know Burgundia but the Flag is the Hamas flag. The person who commented on it being Iraq I don't think checked that first.

Belive me, I didn't want it to be in gaza or anywhere else, but it was in Gaza.

If you look, there's green there and I don't think Hamas is stationed in areas of Iraq.

This is the Hamas flag:
http://www.acc-tv.com/images/globalnews/ogco_hamas_1006.jpg

[Egg]

Although there IS an Iraqi HAMAS, this video is inside Gaza. I have the high definition longer version and it shows many HAMAS militants in great detail.

What the hell went on though is an altogether different debate. In the longer version at least 20 bodies of dead HAMAS fighters can be counted.

brutal, dirty, nasty war for sure.

[Steve_A]

Hi Egg,

For sure, war is never a beautiful thing to see and those who saw what happened from close quarters and survived could be understood in wanting to retalliate, whichever side of the fence you stand on.

The problem behind the war is not a religious one, it's a political one and the real war is about power, or trying to control power. Not very healthy.

Just to add one comment which I thought interesting. Although I can't recall his name (an ex-Israeli Ambassador I think) a chap said on CNN this afternoon that Hamas not a governmental organization, it is the terrorist faction of Iran. He only said this once, but I'm sure that there is something going to come down the pipes, sooner rather than later involving Iran.

The present US government has little time to let the dogs of war out and, if Rense is right about what he wants to reveal, they must act now, before Obama goes over to try and make the peace.

Best regards,

Steve


Although there IS an Iraqi HAMAS, this video is inside Gaza. I have the high definition longer version and it shows many HAMAS militants in great detail.

What the hell went on though is an altogether different debate. In the longer version at least 20 bodies of dead HAMAS fighters can be counted.

brutal, dirty, nasty war for sure.

[Egg]

I see Bush has sent Rice to speak to Syria about Hamas. Thats not a good sign at all. I agree with you Steve that there is certain efforts behind the scene to pin 'the big one' on Iran and head forth to all out war.


Bad, bad times ahead if that happens.

[deb003]

Hi Egg,

For sure, war is never a beautiful thing to see and those who saw what happened from close quarters and survived could be understood in wanting to retalliate, whichever side of the fence you stand on.

The problem behind the war is not a religious one, it's a political one and the real war is about power, or trying to control power. Not very healthy.

Just to add one comment which I thought interesting. Although I can't recall his name (an ex-Israeli Ambassador I think) a chap said on CNN this afternoon that Hamas not a governmental organization, it is the terrorist faction of Iran. He only said this once, but I'm sure that there is something going to come down the pipes, sooner rather than later involving Iran.

The present US government has little time to let the dogs of war out and, if Rense is right about what he wants to reveal, they must act now, before Obama goes over to try and make the peace.

Best regards,

Steve

Steve, does rense mean that Obama might not take the same "attack everyone" approach and instead approach more peacefull processes one he takes office?
Also, do you think his silence and not condemning Israel publicly is not a sign that he agrees with them, but that's he's playing it "safe" for now until he gets to office?

[Delphi]

Unfortunately Steve i don't see Obama either wanting to or being allowed to make peace in Gaza.
This evening Radio 4 broadcast a Profile of Obama's chief of staff
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00g8p30/Profile_03_01_2009/
It seems Mr Emmanuel senior was involved in the fight to create the state of Israel.
Forgive me if i don't watch the video

[deb003]

I'm linking 31 minute video of the Larouche pack weekly update.
They discuss solutions for the financial crisis, sending the international bankers to jail commission, also why the Israel attacks on gaza are happening now.
It gets a little slow in the middle but it's worth the information.

http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2009/01/03/lpactv-weekly-update-01-03-09.html

[Darren Swisher]

I wanted to voice my opinion on the video alone. not taking sides at all.

In today's media frenzy, we must keep in mind we can never be 100% sure that what we are seeing in real, staged, CGI, from another area of the world. As the technology grows the powers to be will be able show us just about anything. In the U.S. the media outlets keep the footage very low in violence, gore and blood. While Hollywood makes millions off the same violence, gore and blood. All the police beatings caught on tape mostly tell only part of the story.

Must first reaction is i hate what i see.

My second reaction is wrong place wrong time.

My third reaction what could I have done to stop it?


I leave you with that

[Steve_A]

Hi deb003,

Sorry I made a blunder!

Read 'Rense' as Hal Turner. He claims he has details of massive money laundering exercises between Israel and the US. He is currently sifting through the information to get solid evidence and facts about who has been getting what. But basically the US give Israel aid and in turn Israel gives certain politicians kick-backs back in the US. It's a "you support us, we'll support you" sort of scheme.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9530&highlight=israel

Best regards,

Steve



Steve, does rense mean that Obama might not take the same "attack everyone" approach and instead approach more peacefull processes one he takes office?
Also, do you think his silence and not condemning Israel publicly is not a sign that he agrees with them, but that's he's playing it "safe" for now until he gets to office?