A Few Understandings to Share, Part Two - Multi-dimensional Cosmic Change

[Practitioner]

Implications of Multi-Dimensional Cosmic Change

I would like to take this opportunity to offer a theory in brief for those in the scientific community and others to consider. This theory, if indeed it were true, would have a direct bearing on man’s (and other beings') understanding of, and preparations for, what some believe will be a “change in the cosmic climate” taking place now or in the relatively near future. I offer this point of view based on my understanding that the universe is very profound and multi-dimensional in structure, that its celestial bodies exist in relation to one another, and that the universe itself undergoes processes of evolutionary change. I do not claim to be an expert or even a student in the field of astrophysics or in any other field of science for that matter, and quite frankly, my background from the perspective of contemporary science would be considered more philosophical or spiritual in nature.

However, let me begin by suggesting that we human beings live in a particular physical dimension of time-space that is delimited at the microcosmic level by molecules and delimited at the macrocosmic level by stars and other celestial bodies. The range of space between these particles appears to be very vast to us, and by and large this is the space we have always been living in, have been traveling in and have been exploring. At this level of existence, there also exist other complex structures of dimensions of time-space in parallel such that manifestations of the reality that we live in and its scenes are also reflected in these other dimensions. For example, throughout a certain range of dimensions the reality of our world would exist in its near-present state, past state and future state, as these are parallel time-space dimensions. Within the concept of time travel, the theory is that a person or object makes a jump from one parallel dimension of time-space to another. However, keep in mind that this is a description of time-space dimensions at the same level.

So when I use the term “multi-dimensional cosmic change,” I am in fact referring to a shift, an evolution, or otherwise a change in physical state that affects not only the physical dimension in which we live, but entire spans of parallel dimensions, different levels of dimensions, and the reality in numerous dimensions both within and beyond our knowledge.

First Implication: Not A Common Changing of the Age

Many scientists believe that human civilizations have existed on earth during different periods of history that predate our modern mankind. Remnants of “pre-historic” cultures have been found on nearly all of the major continents and, in some cases, below the oceans. Some people thus believe that catastrophic or cataclysmic events all but wiped out these ancient civilizations, leaving a small number of survivors in different regions who then gave rise to civilization again. Some speculate that the earth’s continental plates shifted, others believe there were earthquakes or floods, others suggest that another celestial object collided with the earth causing the extinction of living beings. However it happened, some archeologists believe that these cataclysmic changes took place on multiple occasions, perhaps even in cycles, as evidenced by these civilizations’ remains.

However, even if catastrophic/cataclysmic changes did take place numerous times in ancient history, they would not inherently be changes that occurred beyond our physical dimension. The molecular structure of this dimension and of human beings would not necessarily be altered with the changing of the age. Human beings who survived the transition period from one age to the next would live in their normal state just as before, and a similar civilization would start anew.

Multi-dimensional change, by comparison, would have a fundamentally different impact upon the earth and humankind. Imagine first of all that cataclysmic change might take place not only on our planet, but on other planets and celestial bodies as well, being a process of change on a more cosmic rather than global scale. Now go a step further and ponder fundamental changes taking place simultaneously at sub-molecular planes of existence, sub-atomic planes of existence, and other dimensions of time-space linked to ours. The outcome of such a change could ultimately have a near-infinite number of variables and would seem to be all but impossible to predict.

Second Implication: Not Only Surface Particles Would Be Affected by Change, Sub-Molecular Particles Could Also Be Affected

As alluded to above, multi-dimensional cosmic change would in all likelihood affect the biophysical composition of living beings within relevant dimensions. For example, if hydrogen and oxygen atoms were to be restored to a higher state of purity, or their state were otherwise affected, then we would find that water (composed of H2-O molecules) would itself undergo a fundamental change. As a consequence, all living beings would likely experience (or would need to experience) a process of change in order to adapt to a fundamentally different state within our dimension.

So whereas in the past, survivors of global or cosmic change were those who by fate or by design evaded a catastrophe, in the event of a multi-dimensional process of change, such evasive measures would be rendered inconsequential, since changes would be due to take place within the actual living beings themselves. In other words, one would not be able to elude particles that compose his or her very being, and might not be able to adapt well to the evolved state of their dimension even if he or she could.

Third Implication: Groups of Interconnected Time-Space Dimensions Could Change Categorically, Changing Both Past and Future

As described previously, dimensions of time-space that are interconnected can reflect the same or similar manifestation of reality at different points in time from past, to present, to future. I have also heard parallel time dimensions described as existing much like the annual rings of a tree, whereby time is moving more quickly towards the center dimensions, while time is progressing more slowly towards the outer edge. So these interlinked dimensions display a continuum of time from past to present to future from our perspective.

Dimensions of time are relative. In some dimensions time moves very fast, in others much more slowly. However, if change indeed takes place on a macro-cosmic and micro-cosmic scale, it would affect entire spans of time-space dimensions categorically whereby change is not only reflected in our current dimension, but across all affected dimensions. So the past, present and future each experiences change—the past conditions are no longer the same, the present conditions are no longer the same, and the future conditions are no longer the same. Predictions of the future and even the transpired history of the future would no longer be valid. So even if those with certain abilities or tools at their disposal can now claim, “I have seen the future! I know what the future will be like!” What they have seen would be manifestations of the future prior to its categorical change. The depiction of the future they have observed may not be the actual impending reality.

Hypothesis: The Universe is a Living Being, Existing in Numerous Dimensions and Undergoing Bio-Physical Changes Not Unlike Our Bodies’ Metabolic Process of Cellular Renewal

As I believe some scientists have already observed, changes have been taking place within range of the Milky Way galaxy that involve the fundamental composition of matter itself. Enormous celestial bodies have been observed to rapidly disintegrate or undergo an equally rapid and even more astounding process of reformation. At the same time, new celestial bodies and even systems of stars, have been generated. In actuality, this process of cosmic change is affecting enormous spans of the cosmos and many, many time-space dimensions on both microcosmic and macrocosmic levels. It is also affecting the bio-physical composition of matter from its very origin.

So while scientists speak of earth changes involving dramatic seismic activity or even a shift of the physical poles in accordance with the normal 26,000-year cycle of our solar system passing through the central galactic plane, I believe that what we are observing is also something fundamentally different and something more enormous. If we are willing to entertain the idea that our universe is actually a living being with its own bio-physical processes of evolution and regeneration, I believe we might find some parallel to the current process of cosmic transformation in our own bodies’ process of metabolism and generation of new cells.

[tone3jaguar]

The 26,000 year cycle is actually how long it takes to circumnavigate the galaxy one time on earth. We pass through the galactic plane every 13,000 years. This is why the oldest civiliazations that they have found off of the coasts of Japan, Inda, and Cuba are about 13,000 years old.

Your conclusions are all correct and in alignment with the work I have studied of David Wilcock. I do have a peice of the puzzle that I would like to add to your original post. When we pass through the galactic plane on Dec. 21 2012 there will indeed be a global alchemical transformation of all matter on the planet that is not being held down at below threshold frequencies of consciousness for some reason.

We are currently living in the 3rd dimension of the 7d construct of our universe. When we go through the galactic equator we will be resonating at very high frequencies due to that region of space being saturated by those energies. In the 5-7 seconds it takes the earth to pass through this waffer thin particle stream at the equator, the frequency of consciousness will be temporarily punched up to such a high level that the hyperdimensional geometry of the earth will fundamentally shift. The earth and most of everything on it will instantly jump to the 4th dimension.

The 4th dimension is the inverse of where we are now. We currently exist in SPACE/TIME. So we can move freely through space, but only through time with our consciousness, or black ops off world technology. In the 4th dimension we will be existing in TIME/SPACE. So we will be able to move freely through time, however space will be fixed. If we wish to move through space in 4d we will actually need to temporarily jump back to 3d by use of permanent portals accessable from our new reality.

So then people ask: If that is true then where are all of the 4th dimension people? Why are there not time travelers everywhere" Or: Why have I not yet come back to visit myself? The answer is quite simple. There is a law of this universe where in higher dimensions are not allowed to directly interfear with lower ones. If they do there are severe consequences for the consciousness responsible for it.

The alchemical transformation actually goes beyond the geometric density changes of matter at the micro level. Something that the russians figured out a while back was that DNA is actually the background programming not only for living things, but also every construct of our reality. You can't chip a piece off of a rock and do a DNA test on it. The DNA that programs our non-living material reality is actually etheric and exits within things called Torsian Fields. So the double helix structure we are all so framiliar with as being the programming construct for living things is also what holds plasma out of superpostion from things as small as subatomic particle to complex systems like the computer I am typing on.

The DNA both etheric and material is currently going through geometric changes. These changes are making it compatible with the high frequency reality of the 4th dimension. So the only thing that will prevent an object or a person from making the jump to the new reality is a low vibrational state of consciousness. So if people have tagged a synthetic material object with negative frequencies with thier consciousness then it more than likely will stay on 3d earth and not make the jump. Similarly, if the individual is holding themselves at low frequencies of consciousness with consistently negative emotions based in fear, then they will also be left behind during this transition.

[NorthernSanctuary]

"So if people have tagged a synthetic material object with negative frequencies with thier consciousness then it more than likely will stay on 3d earth and not make the jump. "

The statement implies that Radiant Zone dwellings would be there in the higher dimension, assuming it was built by people that would go with the shift? I understand people will still need structures to live there.

[tone3jaguar]

"So if people have tagged a synthetic material object with negative frequencies with thier consciousness then it more than likely will stay on 3d earth and not make the jump. "

The statement implies that Radiant Zone dwellings would be there in the higher dimension, assuming it was built by people that would go with the shift? I understand people will still need structures to live there.


Yes, but the law of physics are much more pliable in the 4th dimension. If you did not have the same house, you could just create one in your mind and instantly manifest it.

[Practitioner]

Tone3:

I am very impressed with your understanding. I think we are not in disagreement. However, I would like to reiterate a point I was trying to make in my original post, again apologizing for being obtuse and a non-physicist.

If there is a warning inherent in my post it is that, to my understanding, this 4th dimension of space/time as it exists currently--where the form of matter is different from that of this 3rd dimension and where the concept of time as we know it in the 3rd dimension doesn't exist--could also be subject to change. That is, the fundamental composition of the matter that creates not only the 3rd dimension, but the 4th dimension, the 5th dimension, and so on, could change. You mention that, "The DNA both etheric and material is currently going through geometric changes." I'm impressed that scientists have already observed this.

The lives of human beings on earth today, the vast majority of them at least, originated and already exist beyond the 3rd dimension. I am not referring to our physical bodies that reside in this dimension and are composed of this dimension's surface particles. I am referring to layers of our bodies (which I suppose some people may be labeling as "consciousness") that exist at a sub-molecular level. For example, I have learned that when a person dies, his/her physical body made of flesh cells is removed and decomposes. However, the person's body structure at a sub-molecular level remains in tact and continues to undergo re-incarnation. Parenthetically, human flesh bodies can, I suppose, be considered vessels, but the life and consciousness of a being originate from its main spirit composed at a microcosmic level. Call it a soul if you'd like, but this is what I refer to as a person. Our physical bodies reside in this dimension, but there are also other forms of our bodies linked to us in other dimensions. The structure of dimensions is actually very complex, and a human being is actually multi-dimensional to begin with.

I think you've captured a very important and fundamental point, which is that this transition is related to an elevation of one's mind. While some have historically debated the relationship between 'mind' and 'matter' as though they comprise a dualism, the reality, as I understand, is that mind and matter are actually one and the same. People's thought substance exists materially, and at the same time, physical 'objects' are actually also conscious lives. So the energy/matter that composes us, which other cultures have called "qi" (pronounced "chee"), ki ("kee"), or "spirit" (from a Christian perspective), will indeed undergo or need to undergo a positive transformation. It starts by being a good person and having regard for moral character. The Chinese have a word for 'moral character' or 'heart-mind nature,' which is xinxing (pronounced 'shin shing').

The warning inherent to my original post is that I do not believe that a technological invention, whether forged in this 3rd dimension or even another dimension in the existing universe, will successfully substitute for a being's genuine improvement in character.

[tone3jaguar]

Yes, I agree with what you are saying. The paradoxical thing that is almost impossible for myself or anyone else in this realm to clearly understand is the multi-dimensional higher self.

So lets say that time as we know it does get turned litteraly inside out. So right now as I type this my 4th density self could, if he chose to, look in on what I am doing. Why not, after all I will be able to zip and unzip time after the shift.

Similarly, when my soul evolves to the 5th dimensional construct then this strange thing called omnipresence starts to occur. Now I am at all times and spaces at once and can also look in on myself. I can even give myself messages in the forms of numbers or symbolic dreams. The same applies as I evolve further into the 6th and 7th dimensions.
This is the origin off the higher self.

I do not however belive that all of the dimensions of consciousness simultaniously across the universe suddenly jump up one level. Even here in the 3rd dimension it is only our solar system that is comming to this threshold. Other earth like planets in the milky way are at different evolutionary stages. Some are where we where 2000 years ago and some have made the dimensional jump multiple times already.

In fact, there has been a theroy lirking out there for quiite some time that the shift in the infrared spectrum that astronomers use to calculate the distance of stars from earth is not caused by distance at all. Instead what they are veiwing is the shift in the infrared caused by which dimension that particular star is in.

[recallone]

Jaguar, to look in on what you're doing in 3d implies a separation, doesn't it? The nature of that idea feels a little off to me. Maybe I'm just not following you - these subjects can be slippery and difficult to communicate, I know. More of your thoughts on that?

And I don't think it's so much that everything will jump up one dimension as it will be an opportunity to unlock some of what's been hidden in order to effectively navigate through those other dimensions...consciously. Not everyone will make that leap. Not everyone is ready to detach from . . . well, all the stuff they're attached to.

Whether you put your stamp of approval on David Wilcocks' take on things or if you're already finding the answers within, those who are figuring it out and dismissing the trappings (programming) of a 3d reality are the ones adequately preparing for the upcoming opportunity to make that move, so to speak. For those who choose to continue fooling themselves about the truth they know they're hiding from, it will be a decidedly different experience.
IMHO, that is.

[tone3jaguar]

It is part of the construct of our 3d reality to view aspects of ourselves as different than aspects of others. Much of this is supposed to dissolve when we get to the 4th dimension. Here I guess that just about everyone is aware of the concept that we are all essentially one being. However, the illusion of seperation will still exist there to some degree. It is not until the soul has learned to truly overcome all of the seperation illusions in 3rd and 4th density and let go of a desire to be an individual that they are ready for the omnipresent non-seperation reality of the 5th-7th dimensions. Or that is the way that I understand it. David Wilcock has been studying the Law Of One material for over a decade. He would have a much more articulate and accurate explanation than the one that I am presenting here.

So I think that if you go strait to throwing out all aspects of your individuality while here in the 3rd dimension then you will fail to learn all of the lessons that are supposed to be tought while in this state of consciousness. So a philisophical / metaphysical understanding of the fact that we are all actually part of the same consciousness is important information to have if one is setting up moral and ethical rules to apply to thier life and how they interact with society.

Accepting this as a truth is what we are supposed to do. Actually living as though we have no individuality in this domain is not what we are supposed to do. It is one of those Zen paradoxes that you have to ponder and make up your mind about yourself.

[Practitioner]

My understanding is that individual beings still exist. Were we like particles of a larger reality or living being, we would still be distinguishable.

As for what we are able to perceive of ourselves and of life and the universe, this also depends on our own characteristics and attainment as beings.

[Practitioner]

Also, I do not believe these profound phenomena can be understood well at the level of ordinary human thinking. The 'ordinary' human mind and senses seem to create the effect of defracting reality into kaleidoscopic images and concepts. By stilling the mind and returning to one's true self, one can begin to apprehend some truth and gain some understanding of the way things really are.

[Czymra]

Just an idea. I'm not a mathematician or a physicist but one might have to see the idea of dimensions more removed from space. One usually hears (maybe I'm out of date on this) that we have three spatial dimensions and the fourth is time, or at least that's what was given to me surrounding relativity theory.

I have the gut feeling that from dimension 3 to dimension 4, you don't gain 1 more dimension, but rather 4 of them. As an illustration:

1st Dimension: a single spot - Beingness, God? - no polarities
2nd Dimension: an infinite line - time - toward future, toward past
3rd Dimension: triangle - space - directions as in x y z
4th Dimension: square? - ? - ?

So as most spatial operations can only operate on the base of a triangle, maybe the fourth dimension can only exist on the base of a square, but we'd be looking for four new polarities that make up the foundation of that one.
That means one would be in the fourth dimension but there are 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 'polarities' of that dimension, being 10.

As I said, just a gut feeling.

[Anchor]

Also, I do not believe these profound phenomena can be understood well at the level of ordinary human thinking. The 'ordinary' human mind and senses seem to create the effect of defracting reality into kaleidoscopic images and concepts. By stilling the mind and returning to one's true self, one can begin to apprehend some truth and gain some understanding of the way things really are.

Cool - some hardcore metaphysics for a change :D

Ordinary "human" thinking is rational. Supra-normal is (what most of us here can do occasionally) is where the higher mind gets involved and everything starts taking on the "feeling" of understanding rather than the bone crunching rigour of the 3D "rational" process and its resultant understanding.

When that higher faculty is involved (which is a lot of what intuition is about) everything progresses nice and smoothly :)

Just one thing I see a lot of people referring to 3D as time/space and higher as space/time - everything I have read so far has it the other way around. Conventional scientists like Einstein talked of the "Space Time continuum". This maybe an issue of English not being a native language for some of us, I dont know.

The way I conceptualise it is that there are 3 dimensions of space and 3 of time (totalling 6 dimensional in a super co-ordinate system to represent a location system for everything in space/time and time/space). Note that this does not say what is located, just where!

When people talk about dimensions of conciousness or realms of manifest existence, 3D 4D 5D etc they are referring to a vibrational quality - but not much is ever said about what it is that is vibrating? I have always assumed that the thing that is vibrating is doing so along one or more of those 6 axes and this therefore conditions its "existence". Where the existence happens (space/time time/space) is a quality and consequence of that vibration.

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[recallone]

It is part of the construct of our 3d reality to view aspects of ourselves as different than aspects of others. Much of this is supposed to dissolve when we get to the 4th dimension. Here I guess that just about everyone is aware of the concept that we are all essentially one being. However, the illusion of seperation will still exist there to some degree. It is not until the soul has learned to truly overcome all of the seperation illusions in 3rd and 4th density and let go of a desire to be an individual that they are ready for the omnipresent non-seperation reality of the 5th-7th dimensions. Or that is the way that I understand it. David Wilcock has been studying the Law Of One material for over a decade. He would have a much more articulate and accurate explanation than the one that I am presenting here.

So I think that if you go strait to throwing out all aspects of your individuality while here in the 3rd dimension then you will fail to learn all of the lessons that are supposed to be tought while in this state of consciousness. So a philisophical / metaphysical understanding of the fact that we are all actually part of the same consciousness is important information to have if one is setting up moral and ethical rules to apply to thier life and how they interact with society.

Accepting this as a truth is what we are supposed to do. Actually living as though we have no individuality in this domain is not what we are supposed to do. It is one of those Zen paradoxes that you have to ponder and make up your mind about yourself.

I've got to admit something, tone...anytime I see a statement that begins with 'According to such and such..' or that we're supposed to do a certain something, or that something is supposed to happen this way - I'm automatically hesitant of what's to follow. I'm familiar with David Wilcock's work and I'm familiar with the Law of One. I'm also familiar with the Tao te ching, the Bible, and a number of other books and opinions. Which one do I endorse? None of them.

There's an amount of truth in just about everything, which also means the opposite is true as well. The idea that a greater sense of separation can be expected after/during/leading up to the shift doesn't gel for me. Also, the idea that we have anything to learn is also inaccurate. Any lesson that validates our perception of time (as linear), or that a process is necessary - to me - is simply inaccurate. The only thing that we ought to do, that we should do, is to see through the illusion that defines limitation as an unavoidable ingredient to this experience.

I would guess that you once belonged to an organized religion, possibly christianity?, then moved beyond that to embrace a greater truth. (Me too, btw). But when you talk of learning lessons and "Accepting this as a truth is what we are supposed to do"- it tells me that you're attaching yourself to truths that should otherwise be considered transient. It's only true right now, for you. It's important to recognize that you can't grasp the next truth if you're still holding onto yesterday's truth. I don't mean to harp on you and please don't take this the wrong way, but I've seen how the Law of One work in particular has managed to hit some of the same key notes that will feel especially familiar for Christians. The kind of notes that divide.

Beyond the lessons of this teacher and that author, what feels like truth? If something doesn't gel, don't just repeat it with the disclaimer of 'according to' but continue to do what all of us have BEEN doing....questioning EVERYTHING. That includes the opinions of so-called enlightened ones.

I agree with Practitioner in that the challenges of truly understanding how it all works has so much to do with removing ourselves from the programming and the accepted laws that define this dimension. The egoic mind can't understand it because the egoic mind is forever concerned with the future and the past...but never the present. The truth is that the present now is all there is. The ego will attach itself to different individuals and different books because it (the ego) LOVES to be RIGHT. But the whole concept of right and wrong is part of this maze we're trying to get out of! Just as the idea of linear time is also part of the maze/prison/maya.

just my two cents worth.
peace and light to all
recallone

[Czymra]

Wow, well spoken recallone.
The traps of yet another 'division' are too numerous to even count and many materials and people are filled with those memes. It seems the hardest part to just let go of ascension, of being first, best.
But if you do, how to keep from being lazy? It's a thin line to walk.

[Anchor]

Agree - excellent post recallone. Discretion is what its all about. Never stop questioning your sources.

There is an infallible point of reference in all of us, and the paradox is here that we have to learn to see it and not to doubt that one :)

[Practitioner]

I believe there is nothing wrong with having faith in a principle or teaching during one's quest for truth. And actually, whether 'science' or 'spirituality,' aren't both seeking truth, understanding and actualization?

I can say that there historically have been many prophets, many ways of practice, and several ways that have taken the form of religion. Ultimately, one practice would disparage another and tell its followers not to listen to others. The issue with orthodox religions and ways of cultivation practice is that the underlying principles do vary between them, their goals may be different, their methods of progress are different, and the forms of energy circulation and bodily transformation (if any) are different. At a certain point it has thus been necessary for a practitioner to choose one path in order to make real progress, else the different practices would conflict with one another. This is one reason that orthodox practices would disparage or discredit one another.

There are also different forms of gods and higher beings, including Buddhas, Taos and Gods that westerners are familiar with. Their characteristics and forms of existence are different, and as a result their teachings and methods of cultivation are somewhat different as well.

What is a higher being then? A higher being is one who is composed of more refined, more microcosmic, and more potent energy matter than we human beings.

[tone3jaguar]

Recallone, thank you for putting much thought and analysis into my postings in this thread. This is part of what makes a healthy discussion. We are both walking the path, however I think we may be at different stages of this path which leads to the differences in our paradigms.

There's an amount of truth in just about everything, which also means the opposite is true as well. The idea that a greater sense of separation can be expected after/during/leading up to the shift doesn't gel for me. Also, the idea that we have anything to learn is also inaccurate. Any lesson that validates our perception of time (as linear), or that a process is necessary - to me - is simply inaccurate. The only thing that we ought to do, that we should do, is to see through the illusion that defines limitation as an unavoidable ingredient to this experience.

Please re-read the post. I have said nothing to the effect that there will be a greater sence of seperation leading up to and after the shift. I actually said that there will be a softening of the concept of seperation after the shift. The illusion of seperation from a sensory perception level will still exist in the next realm. No matter how evolved we think we have become in this life, we are not ready for the status of demigods.

In my paradigm, there are 27 archetypes of learning that each soul is going to go through in 3rd density as part of the design of this particular galaxy. Until the lessons learned during these experiences that are spread over multiple lifetimes are completed, the full evolutionary step up to the higher dimensions will not occur. If people are not ready before the shift, they will still jump to 4th density. However they will all be in a zone of 4th density where in the construct is very much similar to as it is here. This way they can complete thier souls progression through this learning curve and fully ascend when they are ready to. So their will be a partial ascension scenario going on for the majority of humans on the planet at this time.


I would guess that you once belonged to an organized religion, possibly christianity?

Nope, maby in a past life. The only religion I was exposed to at a young age was Shamanism, which really is not a religion because there are no set rules teachings or parameters.


But when you talk of learning lessons and "Accepting this as a truth is what we are supposed to do"- it tells me that you're attaching yourself to truths that should otherwise be considered transient.

Remembering the wisdom accumulated from past experiences is a far cry from allowing ones self to hold on to the emotions of these experiences which can lead to the fragmenting of ones consciousness during these times. Living in the moment does not mean never thinking of the past. It means never living in the emotions of the past.


I agree with Practitioner in that the challenges of truly understanding how it all works has so much to do with removing ourselves from the programming and the accepted laws that define this dimension. The egoic mind can't understand it because the egoic mind is forever concerned with the future and the past...but never the present. The truth is that the present now is all there is. The ego will attach itself to different individuals and different books because it (the ego) LOVES to be RIGHT. But the whole concept of right and wrong is part of this maze we're trying to get out of! Just as the idea of linear time is also part of the maze/prison/maya.

I agree with what you are saying here. However, as long as you are still alive, complete seperation from your ego 24/7 is not going to be possible. The non-ambiguous definition of the ego is "Who you belive you are in this world". It is very possible during meditation to completely seperate youself from your ego. How are you going to seperate youself from your ego when you are at the grocery store? How will you stand in line at the check out without recognizing that there are 4 people standing in line before you? In order to do this you would have to be in an omnipresent state of consciousness seperate from the meat suit we are all born with. That is not going to happen in this dimension.

[tone3jaguar]

Just one thing I see a lot of people referring to 3D as time/space and higher as space/time - everything I have read so far has it the other way around. Conventional scientists like Einstein talked of the "Space Time continuum". This maybe an issue of English not being a native language for some of us, I dont know.

You are right, I described them correctly and typed them backwards. I have now edited the post.

[recallone]

Hey tone, I'm glad you received my words in the same energy they were offered. I'm beginning to really like this site again.

Without quoting and reposting the same info as above, I'll just respond as succintly as possible. This is where we misunderstood each other, I think. You wrote:

So lets say that time as we know it does get turned litteraly inside out. So right now as I type this my 4th density self could, if he chose to, look in on what I am doing. Why not, after all I will be able to zip and unzip time after the shift.

Similarly, when my soul evolves to the 5th dimensional construct then this strange thing called omnipresence starts to occur. Now I am at all times and spaces at once and can also look in on myself. I can even give myself messages in the forms of numbers or symbolic dreams. The same applies as I evolve further into the 6th and 7th dimensions.
This is the origin off the higher self.

If you can look in on yourself (in another dimension - as opposed to being aware of the multi-dimensional relationship) doesn't that imply a separation of consciousness? If you're possibly giving yourself messages, that seems to me a separation; an absence of connection. I hear what you mean, about dreams and symbols - but that kind of takes the discussion into the dream realm and begs the obvious question of what that dream world really is. Another dimension? The internal ego workings-out of waking situations? I would anticipate a greater understanding of that relationship (between us and our dreams) as opposed to a continued mystery wherein we could slip ourselves info to assist us. Something about that just seems . . . I don't know - tangled up?

It sounds like you've got a pretty solid understanding of time, which is why I'm confused by your position of there needing to be a process BEFORE the shift, but that once the shift happens - we'll be able to understand, and therefore overcome that obstacle (in regards to manifestation, BEING who and what you choose to be, etc). Time will be something completely redefined, agreed. But shouldn't our understanding of it as it is now serve us in our experience of now? The idea that we have to wait for something/someone/some event, to me - seems to embrace the idea that something outside of ourselves has the power to save us, as it were. If it's all happening now (past, present, future), what's stopping us from reaching for 4th and 5th density now? With the increased vibrational energy and the quickening, is there anything that can be appropriately considered impossible?

I mean, I'm not going to go jump off a building and expect to fly - but I feel we're more able to tap into that greater connection and understanding now, more so than we've ever been before. It just seems to me that waiting for something is again embracing the limitations of this dimension, and therefore our connection TO all of it.

This is the stuff I really dig. Thank you to those of you participating. And thanks Anchor, Czymra for the nod. And just so we're clear with each other, I've always had a healthy amount of respect for your perspectives, tone3jaguar. Thank you for being in the mix.

recallone

[tone3jaguar]

You are right, recallone. We do not have to wait until the shift to finish out these lessons. I myself just finished the 27th lesson and completed my souls progression only a few weeks ago. The reason I say that most people on earth are not yet ready for full on ascension is the materialism keeps them on the same learning lessons over and over again. Where as if they find a path of spiritual connectedness and consciously break the habbit of materialism then they start progressing the way they intended to before they where incarnated.

There are quite a few new souls to this planet that have already finished this learning curve, once ascended, and have voluteered to come to earth to help raise the over all vibration of the planet towards the good side of things. These people (mostly children) will automatically regain thier ascended abilities when we pass through the galactic plane.

We are currently being saturated with frequencies of consciousness that have not been seen on this planet for over 13,000 years. It is changing our DNA and greatly enhancing our full human potential. This is a nessesary part of the whole ascension process. First the consciousness ascends, this is followed by the body.

I was confused on this until a few days ago myself. I posted a thread a few months back in this forum called "Intuitive Dowsing for DNA shifts". In that thread I had predicted prematurely that as soon as an individuals DNA had geometrically changed that they would suddenly have ascended abilities and be superhuman. That theroy was good at the time, however it seems as though it had a flaw. The flaw was that you actually have to be on the earth while it passes through the high intensity particle stream at the galactic equator in order for all of the DNA changes to spontaniously be manifested in the flesh. Either that or you have to pass through a high tech machine that replicates the conditions on earth when this happens.

It turns out that we are indeed gaining some ascended abilities of the consciousness. We are more easily seeing the big picture, intuitive data is comming in clearer and more frequent, people are having energy and heat pulsing from thier bodies, and other manifestations of the process are occuring.

There will be a core group of about 122,000 people that are chosen to go through the ascension process early. They will be brought to undisclosed locations, prepared, then exposed to an advanced technology that induces the ascension process by replicating the conditions on earth when the transition occurs. These people will be able to do crazy stuff like fly around and other xmen sci-fi things. All of these people are about to or have just finished thier souls progression in 3rd density and are ready to set the example.

[recallone]

Where does 122,000 come from? Did you read it, or intuit it?
And how many lessons are there? Is 27 the finish line?

[tone3jaguar]

The 122,000 comes from my the team of guides that I have accumulated over the past 10 years both on purpose and by circumstance. In order to find out how far along you are and how much you have left to learn you must inlist the help of an accomplished intuitive that can help clarify this for you. Yes the 27th lesson is the finish line. No skipping lessons. But not to worry. Like I said, you will still go to 4th density and be in a much more positive upgraded version of this reality once you get there even if you are not ready for full on ascension yet. Just go with the flow, don't have anticipation about what might happen. Comes right back to the points you where making about being committed to the moment. If you do that then the lessons will present themselves exactly when they are supposed to.

[Czymra]

I'm very interested in those 27 principles.
Can I have a list or a link? What 'belief system' is this a part of? It sounds a little like Wingmakers to me when I hear set numbers of 'helpers'.

[tone3jaguar]

The 27 cards in the terrot deck are symbolic for the 27 archetypal lessons we are here to learn. That is David Wilcocks information which he derived from the law of one. You don't go out and seek these lessons. Searching for them is a mistake. Instead you recognize that they exist. Then when confronted with new challenging situations you recognize that this may very well be one of the lessons that you are supposed to overcome.

[Czymra]

The 27 cards in the terrot deck are symbolic for the 27 archetypal lessons we are here to learn. That is David Wilcocks information which he derived from the law of one. You don't go out and seek these lessons. Searching for them is a mistake. Instead you recognize that they exist. Then when confronted with new challenging situations you recognize that this may very well be one of the lessons that you are supposed to overcome.

That's actually what I suspected. You say they have to be passed through in order? In a single lifetime?

[tone3jaguar]

I am not clear on weather or not the order is the same for all. No not in a single lifetime. I am sure mine took quite a few of them. I definately have not encountered all 27 lessons this time around.

[recallone]

Sorry, tone. You just lost me.
27 lessons (http://www.scienceofbeingsecrets.com/)? I don't know if this is the same 27 lessons, but for me - it might as well be. I don't like measuring sticks. Anything that encourages the ego to divide with the illusion of being better/more evolved/an 'old soul'/ whatever - I've got to summarily kick it to the curb. There are other reasons, too. But I think I'd rather bow out of this one.

Peace.
recallone

[Czymra]

Sorry, tone. You just lost me.
27 lessons (http://www.scienceofbeingsecrets.com/)? I don't know if this is the same 27 lessons, but for me - it might as well be. I don't like measuring sticks. Anything that encourages the ego to divide with the illusion of being better/more evolved/an 'old soul'/ whatever - I've got to summarily kick it to the curb. There are other reasons, too. But I think I'd rather bow out of this one.

Peace.
recallone

I'm with you on that but I do still think that it is a concept worth engaging in. What you speak of is a path to the realisations of 'my own real powers' in a way instead of a learning curve, isn't it?
I know I might have this wrong but there are still a few steps that get you closer to being able to recognise that, aren't there? This sounds like a learning but you could see it as a learning not associated to ascension or accumulation of knowledge, rather its deconstruction, taking down layer by layer of 'isness'.
Maybe you can find more suiting words for it, but I've had my share of trouble with identifying the 'all is there already' concept between the traps that are aimed to make me a passive consumer and the ones that actually hold truth.

[Anchor]

Perhaps the problem lies in the way it is worded.

They are not "lessons" they are archetypes. An archetype is an abstract description of a "type of situation"" you need to experience and integrate into your being.

For this reason when opportunities come along, they are seen as "lessons" because there is every chance that in experiencing it, you may learn. Thus a lesson is a particular instance of an archetypal experience that happens in your life.

If you move through the experience and integrate experience properly (according to your polarity) you "pass" and there is no real need for the cosmos/universe to present that opportunity to you again.

In our 3D experience, Ra explains that there are 22 archetypes. (not 27?)

Here are some relevant quotes from the material:

Questioner: Is there, in Ra’s opinion, any present day value for the use of the tarot as an aid in the evolutionary process?

Ra: I am Ra. We shall repeat information. It is appropriate to study one form of constructed and organized distortion of the archetypical mind in depth in order to arrive at the position of being able to become and to experience archetypes at will. You have three basic choices. You may choose astrology, the twelve signs, as you call these portions of your planet’s energy web, and what has been called the ten planets. You may choose the tarot with its twenty-two so-called Major Arcana. You may choose the study of the so-called Tree of Life with its ten Sephiroth and the twenty-two relationships between the stations.

It is well to investigate each discipline, not as a dilettante, but as one who seeks the touchstone, one who wishes to feel the pull of the magnet. One of these studies will be more attractive to the seeker. Let the seeker, then, investigate the archetypical mind using, basically, one of these three disciplines. After a period of study, the discipline mastered sufficiently, the seeker may then complete the more important step: that is, the moving beyond the written in order to express in an unique fashion its understanding, if you may again pardon the noun, of the archetypical mind.

Questioner: I will also assume, and I may not be correct, that the present list that I have of twenty-two names of the tarot cards of the Major Arcana are not in exact agreement with Ra’s original generation of the tarot. Could you describe the original tarot, first telling me if there were twenty-two archetypes? That must have been the same. Were they the same as the list that I read to you in a previous session or were there differences?

Ra: I am Ra. As we have stated previously, each archetype is a concept complex and may be viewed not only by individuals but by those of the same racial and planetary influences in unique ways. Therefore, it is not informative to reconstruct the rather minor differences in descriptive terms between the tarot used by us and that used by those of Egypt and the spiritual descendants of those first students of this system of study.

The one great breakthrough which was made after our work in third density was done was the proper emphasis given to the Arcanum Number Twenty-Two which we have called The Choice. In our own experience we were aware that such an unifying archetype existed but did not give that archetype the proper complex of concepts in order to most efficaciously use that archetype in order to promote our evolution.

A..

[tone3jaguar]

Damn, I could have sworn it was 27. I guess some info gets scewed when drinking from a fire hose. At any rate, the way in which I was able to find out that I had reached the finsish line was through my aunt who is a Psychologist/Shaman/Professional Dowser. She has a system where she measures the souls progression on a scale of 0-360 degrees, or a circle. Just 5 years ago I was at about 180 degrees. Needless to say the **** really hit the fan the last half decade for me.

[tone3jaguar]

Sorry, tone. You just lost me.
27 lessons (http://www.scienceofbeingsecrets.com/)? I don't know if this is the same 27 lessons, but for me - it might as well be. I don't like measuring sticks. Anything that encourages the ego to divide with the illusion of being better/more evolved/an 'old soul'/ whatever - I've got to summarily kick it to the curb. There are other reasons, too. But I think I'd rather bow out of this one.

Peace.
recallone

The galaxy designed it this way. The powers one accumulates as a result of the ascension process could potentially be very distructive if put in the hands of an individual who had not yet accumulated the wisdom nessesary to take on that responsibiltiy. Its not a measuring stick, it is a cirriculum. You have the option of dropping out of school and becomming one of the sheeple.

[recallone]

The galaxy designed it this way. The powers one accumulates as a result of the ascension process could potentially be very distructive if put in the hands of an individual who had not yet accumulated the wisdom nessesary to take on that responsibiltiy. Its not a measuring stick, it is a cirriculum. You have the option of dropping out of school and becomming one of the sheeple.

Ouch! Well, I certainly wasn't expecting a reply with teeth.
Nonetheless, the mind-definitions of these 27 or 22 lessons, archetypes, whatever (as I see it) are further attaching the egoic mind to this dimension. By your response, it would seem that my assessment is accurate. If you feel the need to defend anything, then you're attached to it. I've come to see attachment as a major part of this whole awakening/realization experience, and I feel as though I'm getting better at understanding and identifying the tripping points within what would otherwise be considered very solid spiritual guidance.

I don't have a problem with your beliefs, tone. But the ultimate question is How do you know you're right? I do, in a sense consider myself a spiritual thug of sorts, especially amongst spiritual academics who endlessly quote information and guidance they've acquired from various sources. I don't have a problem with organized religion, or even offerings that assist people in getting beyond the limited scope of a single, one-religion explanation. But like many of you, the religions that we may have endorsed for x amount of years have been discarded, like a boat that was used to cross a body of water and is no longer necessary. Trying to use the guidance that was applicable while crossing the water is no longer valid in venturing into this new land. You follow me?

My point is this: We're going to a place that's completely unlike where we've been. All of the rules are changing, the limitations becoming recognized as false and misleading. Our concept of time, that there must be a linear relationship between the amount of time spent on a particular endeavor and the fruition of those efforts is similarly losing its' credibility. If the way we understand time is different, doesn't that automatically throw out the notion of there being a process? I'm not announcing absolutes, by the way - because there is much I don't know. And I'm okay with saying that I don't know. But what I do know is that we've got a number of things waaay wrong in terms of our relationship to the experience around us, our perception of time, and our identification with the ego. We are not our thoughts, and the ego is leading many of us around like a bull with a nose ring.

When a program/set of lessons/steps to follow/whatever implies an amount of progress, per se - I feel as though the notion of a process is being endorsed which does two things. #1 - Enforces our false sense of time. #2 - Gives the ego fuel for more misdirection. Ego, while relegated as a bad thing by many that are on the path can still be inadvertently fed with titles of realized, or awakened. An old soul, starchild, sensitive, clairvoyant, etc. When people announce that they are these things, often there is a sense of pride and elite-ness about it. Like, I have this ability and you don't, nyah, nyah, nyah - nyah, nyah, nyah. No, not everybody is of that energy, but do you see my point? They're simply more distinguishing points that serve to separate and cater to the ego's desire to become more.

My contention is that there is nothing to become. I'm beginning to doubt that all of the books I read were even necessary. I'm sure they helped get me to this point, but I'm finding something that isn't learned so much as it is remembered. And it's slippery with these 3d hands and this 3d mind, but it's there - and it's way different from our archaic ideas of learning.

I wish all peace.
recallone

[Anchor]

I do, in a sense consider myself a spiritual thug of sorts

Well at least you are polite about it.

the ultimate question is How do you know you're right?

For my part one once you get past a certain point you don't always have time to be continually showing everything from first principles. It has to get to a stage of take it or leave it.

As a collective - we are so far ahead of where we were a few years ago, the books that go back to first principles, leading you step by step through the illusion, through a working body of knowledge and a framework for conceptualising the > 3D reality and the <= 3D illusion, and they are often large bodies of work. They dont have to be, but there are a large number of people that seem to need every angle covered before they are prepared to let themselves go and find out the truth "inside". I think I was like that about 25 years ago.

Once you do that, proof and demonstrating how you know its right becomes an answer which can only be properly explained to those doing the groundwork necessary to understand the answer; and when they have done that, you dont get asked the question - it becomes a non-issue :D

A..

[recallone]

Well said, Anchor. And you're right. There does need to be some preliminary groundwork, I suppose. Or does there? That's the thing I've been wresting with.

Many of the people in this forum have had a fair amount of experience with several religions, philosophies, stages of growth so to speak. What I'm batting around in my head is if it's even necessary. I feel like there's a kind of switch that can be thrown - one that supersedes any learned knowledge, but provides a pure understanding of the bigger picture nonetheless. That could be where psychedelics come in - you know - the ones that the government is scared sh**less about you using. Hmmmm....conspiracy to overthrow a government if you're in possession of LSD? Certainly makes you wonder what THEY know about it, doesn't it?

Maybe the understanding of the first principles must precede that moment in time when the puzzle pieces begin fitting into place. But then, that caters to the illusion of linear time, thereby enforcing it. And as we're all painfully aware, those who are not ready to hear the truth will throw stones at it until they are ready. Slippery subject, for sure.

[Czymra]

You guys rock. I enjoy this a lot.

When reading this:
My contention is that there is nothing to become. I'm beginning to doubt that all of the books I read were even necessary. I'm sure they helped get me to this point, but I'm finding something that isn't learned so much as it is remembered. And it's slippery with these 3d hands and this 3d mind, but it's there - and it's way different from our archaic ideas of learning.


I thought that kind of encapsulates it. It's not necessary, but for some it eases the path, however, only goes that far. I know that getting here and seeing all the information 'allowed me to allow myself' to actually do this. I now however that I've become addicted to feeding now and I'll just let that burn through and then cut off. Then I'll see...
Thanks for spelling it out.

(If you're up for something more hands on, I'd love to hear what you think about this: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9990
It's gone a little in circles so far but I'll comb through it soon to see what can be salvaged)

[tone3jaguar]

[QUOTE=recallone;105227]Ouch! Well, I certainly wasn't expecting a reply with teeth.

It was not my intention for it to have teeth. It just stated what has been shown to me very recently. You do not have to use any of the divined measuring systems that have been discussed here in order to finish out your souls progression. I never wrote or thought about it much until shortly after I had completed mine a few weeks back. So I am not trying to say that one must know about the 22 archetypal challenges to overcome in the evolution of ones soul. You can be oblivious to it and still chug right along. The number one killer of the souls progression is victimitis. Western society puts this paradigm in movies, shows, news, and other media. It teaches the mind to convert fear into victimitis in an effort to externalize the emotion. This is the ego saving itself.


I don't have a problem with your beliefs, tone. But the ultimate question is How do you know you're right?

There is not a single prophet, sage, shaman, mystic, or any other title given to those who walk a spiritual path, that has had a way to prove absolutly for sure that thier particular belife system was the absolute truth. It it a matter of faith. Not faith based purely on what others have instilled through knowledge. Instead, faith based on what the subject has experienced and observed in the spiritual realm, combined with accumulated knowlede.

That is how I know it as a truth from my consciousness. I had to see a lot of extreemly scary spiritual stuff to push me through the crash couse I have been on. I have also seen some positive spiritual stuff as well. Once you get to a place in your own consiousness where you have successfully cleaned most or all of the unessesary subconscious core belifs from you mind then when you read the truth the vibration of excitement, effortless focus and learning, and relaxation are experienced when reading them.

If you are not experiencing this when reading the info I have posted in this thread it simply means that you are not at the current stage of your own evolution of conscoiusness where you need to learn this information. So don't take it as your truth. If I had had this information earlier on I could have saved myself alot of greif. I was stuck on the last phase of it for me for at least a few years. I kept battleing, and battleing and battleing with those that weild dark magik. What I did not realize the entire time that I was doing this, was that fighting against something that I did not like actually manifested more of it at escalating levels of intensity.

Training the mind to stay in the moment is the real key to racing your way through these lessons. This is hard to achive in a society based off of liner time. It takes alot of consistent meditation, and a conscious effort to catch ones self when day dreaming in an emotional memory of the past and detach the emotion from that memory. Those memories with emotion still tagged to them are where the ego is born from.

[recallone]

Just so we're communicating effectively, the comment that had teeth was You have the option of dropping out of school and becomming one of the sheeple.

I don't really need to explain why this is unnecessary, do I? The energy that was with you when you wrote these words arrived along with the words. The bit on victimitis was along the same lines. I could be aggressive about confronting you for the alleged slight, but I really don't care that much about it. I was just trying to redirect the energy a little. That's all. I see the divine in you, brother. You don't need to address me as though I don't.

Look at the souls that showed up for this gathering. How many people that you see on a daily basis can you have these kinds of conversations with? This is good company to be in. The people in here are the ones brave enough to take on the responsibility of what we're doing. I've got mad respect for everyone brave enough to launch into this magnificent unknown. WE'RE doing this together. This is uncharted territory we're in and we're all...working on it. So, let me grab the next gear in this conversation with a proper greeting...

Namaste

Okay, back on topic.
What I'd be interested in (topic of levels and such aside), is how your vibrational average (for lack a better word) changed as a result of the lessons. Was there a noticeable difference? Did something 'click'? Or was it more like a mental itch that finally got scratched? Like pieces of the puzzle coming together?

[tone3jaguar]

You do of course realize the irony taking place when you feel victimised by an individual ambigously discussing vicitimitis?

I had really no idea that I was far or close to the end of this souls progression until about 3 days after I had crossed the finish line. I realized it because my guides told me that I had reached the end. It happened on my way to Sedona on the airplane. I was listening to the Tao Te Ching by Wayne Dyre. He read one of the verses and his essay on it where he talked about how the only true way to defend against evil was with love and light. It clicked for me that he was right, I accepted it as a new core belife, and a sence of calm and relief came over me that I had not experienced since I was an innocent child.

The timming was impecable, I have no doubt that my higher self already knew exactly when this was going to occur and this is why he decided that I should visit sedona on the dates that he gave me. I rolled right from the end of the souls progression right into preporation for ascension within 24 hours.

[recallone]

I don't feel victimized. I did see how you were trying to claim that position of power over the conversation, however. I just didn't feel the need to point out the obvious contradictions within your own post to make my point. But since you've insisted...

"I had to see a lot of extreemly scary spiritual stuff..."
"...I could have saved myself alot of greif."
"I kept battleing, and battleing and battleing..."


In that case, here is your Meritorious Service Medal. Wear it with pride.

[conjuredUp]

Spiritual thug.... that is CLASSIC.

I keep seeing the Dali Lama with a mohawk and tats.
A bandana and love beads.
Hanging on the corner handing out flowers.
Sweet.

Good reading. Thanks, you bunch of brainiacs.

LOVELOVELOVE,
C

[tone3jaguar]

I don't feel victimized. I did see how you were trying to claim that position of power over the conversation, however. I just didn't feel the need to point out the obvious contradictions within your own post to make my point. But since you've insisted...

"I had to see a lot of extreemly scary spiritual stuff..."
"...I could have saved myself alot of greif."
"I kept battleing, and battleing and battleing..."


In that case, here is your Meritorious Service Medal. Wear it with pride.

What ever, I have said what i am going to say about it.

[Czymra]

If you ever figure that none of you was wrong, I'd love to hear about it. See you in the past-life (or next dimension)! ;)

[Unified Serenity]

It was great catching up on this thread, thanks for the back n forth exchange recall and tone.

It is interesting that I used to read tarot at Sowain for the community and one aspect done by another reader was the card for the year. You focused, drew a card and it represented the energy surrounding you for your lesson to work with that year.

I find I progress in an area with what feels like a hyper spiritual learning curve. Synchronicity happens during this time a lot in the places I go, people I meet, and understanding or more importantly letting go of stuff. Then I plateau and feels like a bit of a pendulum swing not backwards, but shifting of energy... as when my kids have their growing spurts. They chunk up a bit, grow like a weed, then look lean and grow into their new body and look really fit and strong. Then they can absorb more, chunk up etc.. That's how my path feels for me.

Ego is or has always been a big problem with me. I was gifted with so much and I'm super curious, independent / confident, exceptional athlete (well once until I was crippled in an auto accident 9 years ago) which taught me a lot of lessons. I'm just now really appreciating all that has happened, except not having the lean fit body I once had. Body is important to me, not to look sexy, but feeling strong and able. Now, I admit my limits, and have a lot of pain despite meditation, breathing, and trying to get healthy. So, all of this spiritual seeking for truth and walking the path of divine unity and love has so many dichotomies to me.

God, I feel as though I am rambling, but I can share with you all. I tear up now just appreciating the love and light I see within you all here, and connect with information you choose to share, and for that I do appreciate you all so much.

I guess my lesson right now is to learn to be ok with feeling weak and needing help. I am freakishly strong for a woman. Hell, I used to break my opponents tennis rackets with my serve (back when we had wood rackets), but that doesn't happen regularly even for the fastest serves. I can beat my strapping 16 yr old son arm wrestling, pick up my 130 pound wife like she is a twig, but I can't run, can't lose the weight I gained from my accident, and have a lot of pain. I see the universal truths of love and living honestly in truth with all, and want to exude that love and peace to all, and have gotten better at not being self focused, but then I think ****.... am I being selfish in this desire to walk this path because I want to evolve spiritually for self gain? Do I walk in detachment? How as a mother do I detach and yet still let my children feel loved? I care, I desire for them to walk in love and truth so am I detached..... ok I will quit rambling, and if you got this far, I commend you. If you feel anything in this and want to share, I am open.

Oh, I did want to say that I used to love debates, but no longer do. I like sharing information, but I really don't care if they agree or not with me. Not out of a haughty attitude, just "ok thanks for sharing" and move on. That was a big change for me. I still talk a lot, duh and share .... duh again, I mean look at my posts. Ok, verbosity is over. I feel good for sharing.

Thanks again

[Humble Janitor]

"So if people have tagged a synthetic material object with negative frequencies with thier consciousness then it more than likely will stay on 3d earth and not make the jump. "

The statement implies that Radiant Zone dwellings would be there in the higher dimension, assuming it was built by people that would go with the shift? I understand people will still need structures to live there.

Is this meant to imply that those living within radiant zones are the only ones that would survive?

[Jack]

Its worth bearing in mind that a topic such as the evolution of consciousness cannot be explained with just physical concepts. It would be like trying to explain a 3d drawing using 2d concepts.

To gain deeper understanding into this concept the reigns of spirituality must be aknowledged and expanded upon otherwise it becomes a mesh of physical concepts and ideas that can never fully explain that which cannot be explained with the simple use of words.

This is just an observation i thought id like to add.

[Jack]

HJ i think it means that the vibrational resonance that dominates an area will determine its ability to connect with or pick up the frequencies of the fourth dimension.

ie ; The radient zone is within our hearts and can be accessed by anyone, anywhere with the appropriate attunement of their vibrational frequencie.

[tone3jaguar]

Is this meant to imply that those living within radiant zones are the only ones that would survive?



My personal opinion is that the concept of a radiant zone is flawed. The grid of the earth transmits the collective frequencies of consciousness over the planet in order to maintain some sort of homeostasis. It is like when you have batteries in series. You could have 100 double A batteries that are fully charged hooked up together. If you then take the charge down on one of them it will reduce the total output of them all. So radiant zones are good in the sense that they help to raise the frequency of the entire planet. On the other hand, the concept of them being safer places to be may not be entirely accurate. Again, this is my opinion. There is no way to prove it one way or the other.

[Reader]

Very interesting reading and very hard to conceptualize

I get it that we only use a small percentage of our brain power at present and moving to a higher energy/vibrational state would most likely cause changes in how we think, communicate, etc

What I don't really get is how it will affect/effect this world we now live in

I assume we will still need to eat, sleep, reproduce, etc, but trying to imagine a totally new way of existing is quite intimidating........

For example, what will we do with all of this stuff we feel necessary in our lives now, ex. tv, radio, cars, pc's, jobs, schools, etc.

Someone help an old guy to understand all this new stuff

[tone3jaguar]

Very interesting reading and very hard to conceptualize

I get it that we only use a small percentage of our brain power at present and moving to a higher energy/vibrational state would most likely cause changes in how we think, communicate, etc

What I don't really get is how it will affect/effect this world we now live in

I assume we will still need to eat, sleep, reproduce, etc, but trying to imagine a totally new way of existing is quite intimidating........

For example, what will we do with all of this stuff we feel necessary in our lives now, ex. tv, radio, cars, pc's, jobs, schools, etc.

Someone help an old guy to understand all this new stuff



Honestly, it is really all up in the air and is totally dependent on who you are and how far along you are spiritually. The only blanket statement I think I would be willing to make now is that reality will change significantly to one degree or another. My paradigm on this whole deal has transformed quite a bit since this thread was originally made some time back. The more you know, the less you know.

My current understanding is that there are different levels of the 4th dimension that we are supposed to move into. The primary lowest frequency zone of it is going to supposedly be more like normal waking reality is now. The only difference being that the laws of reality will be much more pliable. Ask me again in a month and I might have a different understanding on it.

[Vidya Moksha]

Wow, lots of things to say about this thread and without that nice bottle of red wine Im sure i wouldnt even attempt it. ;)
According to the yogis in the next 'stage' or 'dimension' or whatever name you wish to apply, then we will directly manifest anything we think about. We are told we can do this now (e.g. the secret - which I quote as it is well known, which is itself the same as ancient buddhist texts), but our minds are too cluttered to focus on what we want. To paraphrase an ancient yogic lesson, an 'ascended' being 'wakes up' in the new reality....and after a while wonders when night will fall, which it promptly does....'but if this is night where do i sleep?'..a bed appears...oh but at night will it be safe? maybe there are tigers in the night...so the tiger appears and eats him....i'm sure you get the gist...So maybe that is worth bearing in mind, think positively! realise all you wish for will manifest....

Anyway, what really prompted this reply, and it may be off original topic, was the mention of the Tarot and the 22 paths...I have been using the Tarot of 20 odd years now and about 6 years ago I realised the Tarot was a tool for 'spiritual awakening', or put another way, was a summary of various esoteric philosophies, which claim to show the path. Most Tarot books still see the 22 paths as a metaphor for our 'life journey' and usually slip into Jungian philosophy to discuss these paths..I could post these 22 paths if anyone is interested, but I hold no value in them personally.
Rather the 22 paths are a summary of the path to enlightenment. Or at least enlightenment as per the yogic/qabalistic/buddhist teachings, which are all essentially man made and 'male' dominated in their concepts...They do however, point to the 'truth', even if they do use 'male' concepts to do so....
I use male and female energies here, as they do, and they describe basic postive/ negative or yin/yang or light/dark concepts....nothing to do with gender in human terms.
As a brief and over simple overview to the Tarot path I offer the following: 'God' used to be a woman. Miraculously she bled with the rhythmic cycle of the moon, yet she did not die. She had life giving powers and from her breasts flowed milk to nourish the new life that she created. Eventually our understanding of the Universe grew and we were confronted with a more complicated view of the world.
200 years or so BC, in the age of Pisces, farmers began to realise that although the Earth Brought forth life, the supreme creative energy came from the Sun. Man also realised he had a hand in creation. Having played second fiddle for so long the backlash against women was severe and so traumatized the human race that we are still suffering from it. The sun was now worshipped, and it was believed that it died every night to be reborn again in the east every morning. This belief led to the creation of heaven and hell and gave rise to the belief that when we die we are judged by the Sun god - Osiris.
A new fact of life was created, that life comes from death and much blood was spilled on the earth as human sacrifices ensured the rise of the new sun. A tremendous power was placed in the hands of the priests who inserted themsleves between the people and the gods and implied personal responsibility for the rebirth of the sun.
Towards the end of Aeon of Osiris human blood was replaced by animal blood, which was replaced by wine. By the start of the 20th Century science had confirmed that the sun still shone on the other side of the earth at night. The new formula is one of continuing growth. We, like the sun, do not die; death is an illusion.
The newly crowned and conquering child is Horus, who as The Lord of the new Aeon is called Heru-ra-ha. He is Lord of Light, Love, Liberty and Life. The child god is both male and female and light and dark and to express this duality Heru-ra-ha has two forms; Hoor-pa-kraat is the passive and innocent god of slience and Ra-Hoor-Khuit is the active and violent hawk-headed avenger of the gods. We have to unite the male and female energies to make the 'ascension' to the next aeon.

OK...that same idea in a non tarot format would look something like this...we start with nothing, and to be enlightened we end at nothing...but the latter nothing is complete with experience and knowledge....its hard to grasp and hard to explain....often they use the equation 0=2. where 2 actually means cancelling opposites, so ying /yang, male female etc ..in math terms 0=(+1)+(-1). We cant analyze 'nothing', in the sense of absence of anything..hence this formula...now most philosophies dont stop at 2 points, yogis have 3 gunas, the abhidhamma buddhist texts have? (maybe 56 i forget)...anyway the concept is the same......let me give an analogy..we start with nothing, we are 'enlightened'..we are 'white light'.....we are born.we forget who we are and must become enlightened again...imagine that white light passing through a prism into many different colours...we must blend those colours (facets of ourselves) back into the perfect proportions that create white light again, i.e we become enlightened, we are 'transcended', whatever you want to call it....
so..the 22 Tarot cards, which each have a path on the tree of life, describe this process from 0 to 0. Or, in tarot terms, from the Fool to the Universe.
We are all unique, and we all have different starting points. I have posted how to calculate your personal tarot card on my wall, have a look, the tree of life is there also. On the tree of life, there is a line called the abyss. Manifestation only occurs below this line, above is beyond intellectual reasoning. If we think we are enlightened or have made it, we are truly deluded..these 'realities' are beyond any comprehension we could articulate. There are many warnings in the tarot that when we believe we have 'made it', there is considerable distance to the 'next' level and so on, and as I say, the final steps are beyond anything I could describe.

So..that was a long introduction to the paths...I have never written this out before, so i hope it makes sense. Frankly I am still digesting a lot of information about this path, and my 'ideas' are certainly not fixed at this stage. This is, therefore, my latest thinking on the spiritual meaning behind the 22 cards. .0 (actually 22 in tarot terms) is the fool, innocence, complete faith in the universe 1. the magician has the 4 basic elements at his command in raw format...2. The High Priestess has 'raw' basic spiritual energy at her command. 3, The empress is mother earth, a place to manifest this story...4. The emperor provides the rules and physical laws, there must be some order to our world 5. The Hierophant provides the spiritual 'law' 6. The lovers represents male and female energies in their raw format, not yet blended, this is the 'marriage' of these 2 properties. 7. The chariot shows the male and female energies blended for the first time (inside the holy grail) and 'speeding' onwards with the mix 8. Adjustment (not strength, that was a deliberate error introduced by Waite), is a need to balance these energies for the first time. 9. The hermit is a time for introspection and calm after this onrush of new experience. 10. The wheel of fortune is what the universe throws at us into this mix, good and bad luck..11. Lust (strength) is the first time we offer our 'blend' to the universe (we offer the holy grail, which contains the blood of the angels) 12. the hanged man is now redundant, it is a sacrifice we dont have to make in this age..(although there are deeper meanings to this card also)..13.Death is the change that we undergo after taking all this on board, we must change in light of our journey so far 14. 'Art' (or temperance) is the next stage to the lovers card, we once agin mix the basic elements of male and female within us..15.The Devil is all about ego, we must have the direction and will power to put ourselves and our blend into the universe, this is not a passive process. 16. The Tower. all that we thought we knew is destroyed. we realise that we were deluded, we see a new reality based on our journey so far. we lose all sense of out material world..17.The Star, and realise we are of the stars as well as the earth, we are deeply spiritual beings..18. Moon, but we are scared, we have no guide and the way is dark. we must have strength to go on, we must lose the fear...19. The Sun, always comes out, it is darkest just before the new dawn.we rejoice in who we really are. 20.The New Aeon, we realise we are both male and female and that our last reality was too male dominated. we are both, this is essential....21, The universe...we have made it, we are back in the light again, we take our place in the universe...

HHmmm, i hope that makes sense. It is a shallow overview of a deep subject and I have never written it out before, I hope it makes sense. For what its worth, I havent seen the above in any texts, i think its my own understanding of the cards on a spiritual level...

wow..enough..hope this was of value. Goodnight :) (more wine please)

[NorthernSanctuary]

Tone3jaguar?My personal opinion is that the concept of a radiant zone is flawed. The grid of the earth transmits the collective frequencies of consciousness over the planet in order to maintain some sort of homeostasis. It is like when you have batteries in series. You could have 100 double A batteries that are fully charged hooked up together. If you then take the charge down on one of them it will reduce the total output of them all. So radiant zones are good in the sense that they help to raise the frequency of the entire planet. On the other hand, the concept of them being safer places to be may not be entirely accurate. Again, this is my opinion. There is no way to prove it one way or the other.

The battery in series analogy may not be correct. It my be more in parallel, or what is considered to be spiritually/energetically valid, be geometric. I'm sure from an energy experience perspective, 1+1= more than 2. There are accomplishments that can only be done by a group. I read somewhere that the purpose/ lesson to learn of the next dimension is to learn to work together. The challenge of a RZ community is really of spiritually minded people being able to work together to help each other (and therefore all) evolve. The idea of the group being more able to pursue a common purpose/goal is common and seen in nature.

[Metaphor]

As usual with synchs, some avalon-hopping led me here when I needed to read this. Great stuff all of you!!!

[Reader]

Thanks ToneJag

I hear you, Lots to study.....so little time

[Reader]

Northern

Will only happen after society completey breaks down and the survival instinct goes into overdrive

[tone3jaguar]

Thanks ToneJag

I hear you, Lots to study.....so little time


Yes there is, on the other hand maby not. There are two kinds of information when it comes to this stuff. There is the need to know, and the interesting to know. Fortunately, the only thing you need to know is how to stay in the moment so that your instincts are clear. The rest is all just an interesting study. So if there is one thing that must be learned it is the three M's.

Meditation
Meditation
Meditation

[14 Chakras]

It is worth consideration that what is going to occur on planet earth will not be a split in timelines where one goes bad and another goes good. It is worth considering that we are embodied here and Now for something much more important and interesting.

Perhaps we are here to enable the multiple timelines and realities that are running at this point on planet earth to ALL get back on the divine timeline, and lift this planet out of duality and into a much more divine and abundant reality. Perhaps we are here for a great in breath and we ALL must make the jump into a more interconnected reality.

There may be no life continuing in the third or fourth (which is the Astral realm, land of illusion, not always a safe place to hang out!) for planet earth, and it will be up to each being here on this planet to make the shift into a new 5th. Those who have chosen 'service to self' path (using terminology that is used around here sometimes), will need to make a drastic change in their being if they do not want to be plucked up as the tares before the new earth is born.

Free will is the paramount law, but beings do not have eternity to misuse their light. Now is the time to come back into the reality that life is interconnected and whatever you send out you receive back. No more stealing light, karma dodging, and misleading the people. It is time to move into the abundant life for all life, and for the wolves in sheep's clothing to surrender their illusions and work for the benefit of humanity rather than the selfish destruction of it.

The power, wisdom and love of God is about to be showcased through the children of God on planet earth (human beings who choose reality over ego) and egos of those that think they can stand in it's way will be consumed by the light. The age of darkness is over. Welcome to the Golden Age.

Espavo!