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So, we're being measured as a means of deciding who is harvestable and who is not? I'm sorry, but this doesn't vibe for me.
It sounds a little too much like the sheep and the goats judgment from the Bible.

Can you explain to me what, exactly does the above highlighted text mean? When spirituality double-speak is employed, I've got to ask myself - What is the message they're trying to get across? In this case, I feel like its a case of the emperor's clothes. It's slippery enough to prevent anyone from getting a really solid grasp on it, yet lofty-sounding enough along the yin and yang lines to give it credibility - especially in the minds of people who are looking for the answers to come from someone else. To say that everything fits within this scale that Hawkins developed is presumptuous in nature as it assumes his theory is without its' flaws, and short-sighted as it only takes into consideration one perspective. What's more, I have a hard time resonating with the idea that our spirituality can be measured at all. Feels almost like a contest of sorts.

As I said, I don't automatically 'discredit' an offering in its' entirety simply because I've found something that doesn't jive with my current definition of truth. But I'm also not going to allow that one thing of incongruousness to insert itself into my beliefs as fact. In convincing people that a Federation ship will show up to evacuate the chosen ones, there is definitely an element of personal responsibility being excused. It's all been decided before this incarnation sounds too much like predestination to me. What everyone needs to appreciate is the manner in which disinformation is issued. The majority of the information issued from a disinformation source is spot on with what is accepted in these types of forums. However, slight deviations are issued (once the trust of the reader has been established) to misdirect. Anything that labels one group as superior or inferior, in my eyes - is misleading. Please understand that I'm not labeling any of these sources as knowing disinformation agents. I don't know any of them. However, sensitives who channel information don't necessarily know who exactly they're getting their information from. They can relay only what is being told to them, the source of which - again - is reported as it's told. It's like picking up the telephone when it rings...only there's no caller ID. You don't know who you're talking to. There have been enough whistle-blowers shedding light on psy-ops and alien alliances for all of us to know better than to simply trust information that is channeled merely because it is channeled.


I don't have any doubts that we are going through a major change and that another JOLT is most certainly on the horizon. In this manner, the text is aligning itself with a commonly accepted truth. However, I don't feel its a matter of You were either chosen, or you weren't - but one of recognizing the illusory nature of this paradigm and distancing yourself from everything that seeks to attach you (and your ego) to it.

The ego wants to hold onto the past and the future, but wants nothing to do with the NOW. The ego is what will cause so many so much pain when that moment of shift is upon us. The ego deals with the false definition of self as determined by the individual's success and possessions. The ego is attached to the means in which it manipulates energy from others through control dramas. For those of you unfamiliar with Control Dramas..

1. “Poor me” control drama: People play the victim and appealing for sympathy. We give energy to this drama by feeling bad for the person and taking the person’s side. It’s the opposite of positive thinking.

2. “Aloof” control drama: It’s like having an air of mystery about oneself and using that “mystery” to get the attention, wonder, curiosity of people around them. It’s a certain snobbishness which seems to say “I am above you all.”

3. “Interrogator” control drama: People ask a lot of questions and pronounce judgements on others. They are critical, self righteous, questioning all the time, sarcastic, sceptical and even undermining.

4. “Intimidator” control drama: People threaten and instill fear to get energy. Violence is often accompanied by this drama.

These control dramas are used by the ego to enforce the Maya, the cosmic delusion. Transcending them is essential in the ascension process. When that moment of clarity presents itself, and there are no more lies to hold up the illusion - there will be a terrific tug-of-war happening within every one of us. For those overly attached to the drama and the ego - they will likely go mad. For those who are aware of it and have been doing the work to rise above it and are expecting this cleansing, will understand what is happening and make the shift. The fourth dimension, I should add - is a temporary new residence. Just as many other alien beings have the ability to navigate various dimensions, so shall we. 5th dimension will become par for the course for those that understand what is to come and are less about the individual as they are about the whole. There is no one person on this earth who has more or less of an advantage. We're all here right now because we all chose to be here right now.

Enforcing the idea that some are meant to be saved and others are meant to die doesn't gel with me. I fully embrace that there is no true death, so pursuing that line is unnecessary, but I refuse to believe that I am subject to some cosmic game of roulette whereas my fate has already been determined. I am a God. So are all of you. We are all one in the same. Conduct yourself accordingly and stop waiting for a God outside of yourself to save you.

Thank you for receiving this with the energy that it was intended. I was kind of holding my breath about it a little bit, but ultimately - I decided that I would want a different perspective if I was operating from only one, and so I felt compelled to write. This is all about discovering what we already know - we're merely uncovering the truth. Without attaching to any of it, we're free to discard all of it when clearer, more complete truth presents itself. Look to no one for answers, look within. Just as many of us have come to realize that our old religions weren't necessarily inaccurate so much as they were incomplete, so too must we look upon the offerings of today as having the potential to be tainted, whether knowingly or not. Trust your own vibration to lead you. If something doesn't resonate with you, don't just fall in line with others that are stamping it as TRUE - allow the messiah inside of you to make that determination.

Peace and light
recallone

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There are some really good solfeggios offered from JezebelDecibel on youtube.
Sedona1111 is another good one. There's a link on his page to his site where you can download some freqs too.

Here's a playlist of some various solfeggios and warm fuzzies.
Good feeling stuff, for sure.:thumb_yello:

Peace

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Thank you for stating your opinion with regards to certain issues, recallone. And thereby adding value to this thread. Nice nick btw. Re(C)allone.

I remind you that I have no interest in convincing you or anyone of anything. If asked, I will respond to questions. I will avoid engaging in "discussion" where the implicit "understanding" is that of trying to convince (each other). That only creates conflict and drains energy. I am not asking anyone to "belive". I try to stimulate people towards investigating for themselves and thinkin for themselves. Providing "(thought)provoking" info is one way of doing just that. It is perfectly OK with me that you or other people see things differently.

I don't have a "rigid" idea of Hawkins scale. It is just my understanding that there is, in fact, a scale corresponding to levels of Consciousness. And I imagine that scale being from 1 to 1000 in such a way that everything in Existence fits somewhere on that scale (in the human sphere at least. meaning what a human can experience). To learn more about this scale etc. I suggest you visit my website which to a large degree is dedicated to it.

If you are in fact, as you say, "a God", than you must be very happy. There should be very little trouble for you in your existence, and you should be able to understand everything, no? A seed/seedling is not yet a fullblown flower, although it contains that possibility inside itself as a potential.

What I mean by truth being "upside/down" and "inside/out" in the lower part of the scale? Most people serve their ego (i.e. sense of being an isolated I) first, and care little about anyone else. That is upside down since everyone else is also you. If everyone served others first there would be great excess and abundance (both of material things and of Love in Harmony/Balance) as is the natural state of Creation itself. The whole of nature is selfless service to the totality. Only man wants to own Creation.

If something resonate as true for a person it will be true for that person at that time of development. That is all that matters. External sources like channled messages are just confirming what many already know inside themselves, and thus they "resonate" with it. This "resonating" is all the "confirmation" many people need. They are using their discernment. It's not about believing "blindly", but rather about being open for perspectives like you say.

Level of Consciousness is simply a Scale of Happiness. In the lower end you are not very happy (below 200 many are so unhappy that they delude themselves into believing that "this is how it is" and that they are, in fact; "very happy" and "successful". They can smile and act cheerful, but below the surface they are "cooking" and they refuse to look there). In the middle stratum happiness is more evident, but still attached to outside conditions, achievements etc. In the upper stratum Happiness comes from Source itself like a constant stream of Joy up the spine. There you are in the playful moment, no future/past worries. No ambitions and attachments to outside things for happiness is revealed as true identity of Being.

Ps. Thanks for those Solfeggio links!:) Great stuff!

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Hi Sanat, many thanks for putting this together. More reading necessary!!
Something of interest. I recently had a short session with a SCIO machine and as part of the information that came from my body at that particular moment my aura colour was light blue. The operator of the machine had compiled some notes from different sources on the meaning of the different colours. Light blue indicated service to others(her words). It was nice to get some feedback on changes that I'd been making to my output. For others who may seek to see "how they're doing" I'm happy to pass on the details.

As a signing off, this is a wonderful time to be incarnate

regards, towhatend

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Hi Towhatend!:original:

I get some questions about this "service to others (StO)" vs. "service to self (StS)" thing. I am not familiar with the "machine" you mention. But I will use this opportunity to adress the issue in general.

It is important not to think that doing what you like is somehow "egoistic" or StS. Developing talents and doing what you like is natural. Following your highest Joy is probably the best Service to Others you can provide. StO is not so much about "outer behavior" as it is about inner attitude. Eating a good meal in gratitude is StO as you need food to be of any use/service at all. Detaching from the fruit of ones actions is a great way of practicing StO. Simply do things because you feel Joy and Excitement by doing it. StO is not about what people "think of you" (Oh, everybody says I am so generous. I donate half my pay to charity etc.) It is not about that at all. Not expecting anything from anyone is great StO polarization. It grinds down the ego if it can be practised with "success" over time. Simply working on oneself and cleansing oneself (both mind and body) is not "egoistical", but highly polarzing towards StO. You cannot be a good mirror to others if you are full of dirt. First clean your own mirror, and then certain people will want to look in that clean mirror to see who they really are and clean themselves.

Most people are in the "indifferent zone" so to speak. They are not using their free will to polarize towards neither StS or StO. They have enough with simply getting by in the struggle of everyday life.

StS polarization is about power over others. It is about control and not allowing free will in others. It's simply cultivating one's ego and sense of being an isolated separate "I" in a very hostile world. Everyone has this ego inside them in various degrees. Free will can be used to "wear it down" or to cultivate it. The ego projects blame on to others (the world etc.) always. Taking self-responsality is a great way of wearing it down. The battle between Light and darkness is in everything, but it can only be "won" inside each individual.

To further understand the two "main paths" of StO and StS I suggest looking at RA's material here (where you can Browse by Category): http://www.lawofone.info/

Thanks!

Love/Light,

Sanat

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Sorry to tell you Sanat, but your friend Ra is a TOTAL joke, when it comes to the building of the pyramids. Im not sure why you believe all this stuff to be true. Heres a link of PROOF, on how the pyramids were built!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lasCXujNPfs


I'll read your others sources, but your friend Ra is a fluke! Ra clearly states in this response, that THEY built the pyramids! These guys are nuts!


III. RA MADE CONTACT WITH EARTH PEOPLES

A. RA WAS AT THE 6TH DIMENSION WHEN EARTH WAS VISITED

RA: I am part of the social memory complex that voyaged outward from a planet in your solar system, the one you call Venus. We are a race old in your measures. When we were at the 6th dimension our physical beings were what you call golden. We were tall and somewhat delicate. The covering of our physical body complex had a golden luster. In this form we decided to come among your peoples. Your peoples were much unlike us in physical appearance. Thus we did not mix well with the population and were obviously other than they. Our visit was relatively short. This was when we built the pyramids.

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Thanks for stating your opinion! You don't have to be sorry for that at all. Your opinion is as valuable as anyone elses, but it has little to do with me or anyone else, and much more to do with yourself. What you choose to regard as proof is up to you. I am sure many others would see things diffrently. Feel free to check out any sources you wish. Again, that is your business.

Thanks!

- Sanat

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Some more balance...

Did Aliens build the Pyramids? Part one
Did Aliens build the Pyramids? Part two
Did Aliens build the Pyramids? Part three

Personally, I don't think man alone could have done it. Even today, with our current technology - we still aren't able to duplicate the great Pyramid of Giza, or any others for that matter. Too many unanswered questions - failed theories. I don't give the Law of One too much credit for reasons stated previously, but I don't think this was done by humans. Where are the records of this monumental undertaking? Where is all the debris? How could they have used logs to roll the great stones in a land that only has a handful of palm trees? If you do the math concerning all of the theories, you'll likely reach the same conclusions, especially when you consider the pyramids on Mars and their placement.

Peace.
recallone

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Hi Sanat, thanks for your reply to my post. In understanding STO, ego(physicality) is eschewed, sometimes!! and all the time!! that's the tricky part, sometimes!!! Anyways, thanks for writing what I'm feeling. Its great to share!! Have a good one.

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I agree. The theory of an inside ramp might prove how they got the stones up to the top (though I doubt it) but it does not explain how the rocks were so accurately placed together or how they moved them so far over stone roads.

:thumbdown:

New article/message about 2012 and the Harvest
 

Hi all! Thanks for making this thread interesting and valuable! I have tried to sort of sum up the essence in one article/message on my website. I will post the beginning of it here, and those that wish can read the rest on the site:

http://www.wakeupcall2012.com/messages.html

Hope you enjoy!:original: And questions/comments are always welcome...

Thanks a lot!

Light/Love,

Sanat

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Sanat,

I was reading some of your material. Thanks for that.

In reading some of the LawOfOne material, I read one statement that stood out. Session17:33. Ra states that it is as hard to achieve 51% service to others as it is to achieve 5% service to self for those going to 4th density negative.

Ra says not many will qualify for 4th density negative, so does this imply that not many are going to be eligible for harvest to the positive?

Also what things do you feel are services to others?David Wilcock says this does not mean going and helping out at soup kitchens.

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If you read the whole article/message (my last post above with link) it will perhaps clarify some of these things you ask about. Very few "Earthlings" (i.e. the “indigenous population” so to speak) have a realistic chance of making positive harvest into 4th density. The vast majority fall in between positive and negative harvest. This being said; 40-45% (according to my research) of the current population are not of the “indigenous population”, but what Ra refers to as "Wanderers" (Star kids/seeds). Many of these Wanderers are already way above the limit. Many have no idea they are Wanderers (and that is the way it is supposed to be). Most of this is adressed in my latest message/article...

Service to others is an "orientation", and not so much what you do "outside". Being dedicated to spiritual growth is the best service to others there is. This is adressed in a post above.

Love,

Sanat

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"The vast numbers of Wanderers ( around 40-45% of the current population) are here to both increase the positive Harvest, and to ensure that the process of “birthing” this 3rd density plane into a 4th density plane will go as smoothly as possible. Only a small percentage of these Wanderers (and the Earthlings that do qualify) will go to the new 4th density positive"


You wrote this in your message for Nov 30 08. My math would say that there are approx 3B wanderers. Ra states that there are approximately 60 million.

Maybe you meant 40-45 % of the wanderers are here to ensure the birthing process. Just confused!

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Remember that the RA material came out in the early 80's (80-83). He said that at that time there was around 60 million Wanderers on the planet. However he also said that they were coming in at a record rate at that time (and this probably have been continuing) due to the enourmous demand for Light.

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just watched some of the videos...with bill deagle. and david willcock ...the common denominator?....go to http://people.tribe.net/pontfx333 for info and pics...from a witness...

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http://people.tribe.net/pontfx333 see info

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Hi Sanat,

Thanks for this post, it is a welcome relief from the mad swirl of information/disinformation out there.

If its not to personal, How would you classify yourself? Wanderer, positive 3rd density ect and how did you find out. While Im sure the answer will come with much work on the self, I am wondering if there are any tell tale signs.

Keep up the good work.

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Hi Islandman! Thanks! You too!

I am a Wanderer that came in from 5th density (i.e. my incarnation level was around 390 on the scale). I took in a lot of "darkness" and thus spent most of my life in the lower end of the scale (several years as low as 50 with heavy drinking, hopelessness and depression etc.). Yoga and a friend (another Wanderer) became my "wakeupcall". When I got the taste of "the real" I became very dedicated towards the seeking of Heart/Self. I became almost obsessed with cleansing myself (first more physical, and later more spiritual). It was some pretty rough years of transmuting all the darkness I had taken in and throwing off the conditioning (I was very ill physically for a year or so with rashes all over my body etc.) Eventually I got all cleaned up. Most of my "friends" was stripped away in that process.

The seeking/healing process eventually lead me to a group of dedicated seekers (r)evolving around a highly evolved Being/Master/Wanderer (top of the scale). Being in that Presence increased my healing process very much, and I was able to transmute all the darkness I had taken in into Light, and thus abide in the peace of the Present moment at all times.

The answers come from inner knowing. Darkness/ignorance transmuted into Light of Awareness. Not knowing is a great catalyst for search. And searching is the only way to get anywhere. Searching implies being able to admit "I do not know" at this time. That humbleness opens the heart and allows for true searching. Most people project their doubts and all darkness onto others and the world instead of searching. You have "found" when you no longer care what you are (wanderer or no wanderer. Positive harvest or no positive harvest). You are happy as things are right now. All else is just a game to make people realize it's all a game:original:

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Sanat,

Your old friends may have been stripped away, but you have certainly found new ones here.

My wife and I were talking the other night how our immediate friends have changed lately. It seems that the more negative people in our lives have been left behind. Seems we don't have much in common anymore. Our current group of friends are very "alive" and loving people. The type that would help out in a time of crisis. Some of them are not as "awake" as we might like but on the other hand are certainly service to others type.

It is amazing how you recognize the negative energies so much quicker now adays. The type that you prefer not to talk to long because they are bringing your emotions down to their level. :thumb_yello:

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Yes, that's how it is:original: As we become more Aware suddenly we notice a lot of things. Like getting new eyes to see with. It does not matter what people "know about" so much, as long as they have a good Heart. Open mind and Heart goes a very long way. It's great to have good friends, but I have learned my lesson as to be very careful who I "let in". I prefer few but trusted friends for the time being. At least I have time to be on the inet a lot...hehe:original:

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It is through places or meeting points like this that the human spirit can meet.

The worst idea for that year should be forgotten.

Focus on the future featuring people thinking from their hearts instead of the mindset that points to trouble.

The mind is a powerful tool. To think good tomorrow encourages the same. To doubt leads to problems.

The year so focused on will not happen in the the ways feared whilst we all join and see it being just another year. This is how i have seen the dreaded year. If you worry about a time in the future then you make that future!

You ask - What is 2012?

It is a test of the human spirit to overcome its blindness to spirituality. Tech will not solve our problems.

Macros the Black

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Yea, that certainly is a nice way to see it!:original: Nothing "is" anything else than how each choose to see it. What works is what matters I guess. Thanks!

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Have just got up-to-date with all the latest posts on this one. Phew!! (wiping sweat off brow!!) It is interesting to note no one has mentioned the Cassiopaeans. Laura Knight-Jacdyzyk has penned a number of books and featured among them are excerpts from various channelled sessions with the Cassiopaeans(6th density, us in the future). I believe a lady Barbara Marciniak has had contact as well. I am not familiar with her work.

the rope is spun from many threads.

regards, towhatend

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I am not familiar with that work. But there is plenty out there all over the world, that is for sure. The way I see it no one will "survive" the Ascension/Harvest process as it implies a "zero point" period where Creation "refreshes" itself. The ET's, Wanderers and all that participate in this process are simply making sure that this Harvest is allowed to proceed/occur as planned, and that the planet is not destroyed (in "natural ways" or more "unnatural" ways like nuclear war) before the Harvest has occured. Hidden Hand and other sources comments on this "Zero point":

More about this can be found here:

http://www.wakeupcall2012.com/messages.html

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Sanat,

I was reading that the author of the Ra material, Don Elkins developed mental illness in 1983 and shot himself when he was surrounded by police. Do you know any more details. Was it possible that the PTB wanted him out?

David Wilcock feels he couldn't handle the negativism of the critics of his work.

I have begun reading the material. It is amazing how some of the answers that were given at the time which seemed pretty far fetched have since been more accepted as being right. e.g. that the military have developed UFO's of their own.

:trumpet:

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So many interesting points of view - cheers! :original:

I remember when I first came across the notion of a set percentage of 'survivors' and as time went on, I realised that this appears to be a commonality found in almost every theory/belief. Whether that is coming from the fear of, say, Codex Alimentarius or some channelings (but not all) from the Ascended Masters. It's almost everywhere, underlying almost every theme. Curious. The end result seemed the same but the underlying purpose and motivators are different.

Initially, I wondered about questions such as 'survival' and 'who am I'? and I wanted to know all the answers. I came across sites offering up all manner of lotions, potions, advice and cures in order to allow people to 'ascend' or 'survive' - depending on your worldview.

I don't say this is right for everyone, but as mentioned before, I've had to unpack a messy rucksack and to restore it I had to clean up my gear. At the moment I'm aware that some of that gear isn't as lustrous as it might be so it's a work in progress. :original: Having read the back of all the 'lotions and potions' I felt that the important thing for me is to make sure that my cleaning-up program is authentic - that is, that whatever I do in respect of STO is genuine and not springing from an idea of 'graduating'. If I don't make the grade then I quite accept that I haven't cleaned up my gear this time round. As it's all a learning process, that has to be the right outcome for me as opposed to a 'failure'.:original:

This feeling might well arise from my life's experience, though. Since I was six I sought 'God'. Not coming from a remotely religious family this resulted in a pair of bemused and bewildered - although very tolerant - parents who couldn't quite figure out what they'd created here :original: I spent years investigating so many religions and the one thing that used to puzzle me was a sort of mis-match between authenticity and the belief in how it is arrived at. For example, a Catholic may sin merrily away through the week but a trip to the confessional puts it all right and the sinner is free to rinse and repeat.
Didn't seem terribly authentic to me.:wink2: Although I understand the pyschological underpinnings of this particular act of faith.

There seemed no point in attending a religious service because the Boss is watching - you must surely want to be there for reasons other than gaining a Brownie point? There seemed no point in giving to charity unless your heart has compassion in it for its cause rather than wondering if again, the Boss has His pencil poised to pop a tick next to your name.

All these things seemed to be something you must genuinely want to do out of compassion rather than to make the grade.

For me it was in the questioning of my own authenticity that I found the only genuine way forward. If I didn't want to be kind or charitable on a given occasion, why was that? Were were my uncharitable thoughts stemming from? If I couldn't see a charitable side in me at that moment in time, I didn't submerge it in denial but accepted it with all the discomforts it brought, adding it to the potentials in the rucksack. And if I was being charitable or kind, was this truly from the heart or out of a sense of 'must do'? I felt that I made progress when I questioned my motivation.:original:

I know it sounds as if I spent - or spend - an awful lot of time navel-gazing or lost in self-absorption, but that wasn't really the case. I only needed to clean a bit of the muck off to see the underlying article:original:

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2012 great harvest is a counter intelligence plan to keep people distracted and create hope/savior motivation. Its also part of the foundations of the New World religion for the future.

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For clarification do you feel that David Wilcock, Dannion Brinkley, David Icke and the likes are working for the NWO to distract us. They all speak of Oneness and going inward for answers. Do you feel they are all spouting off to mislead us.

I do not feel the Mayan, Hopi's and others that speak of the harvest work for the new world religious group.

sorry if I have missed something.:roll1:

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Allie

I enjoy reading your post. You must have gone through quite a bit of self-examining - on being a sinner versus being enslaved, on your own sense of self-worth, on whether to treat others in the way you would like to be treated.

Great post.

-feeler

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This is a big subject and not easily communicated so work with me here. I think those speaking about Oneness, inward for answers, the outside is an illusion, aliens are the bad guys etc... Are falling in line with the counter intelligence placed by the Elite/NWO/Eugenicists/Whatever you want to call them/ corporate agenda. Now, this agenda has been seeded for possibly a couple of thousand years. Allegory if you please, Frank Herbert's Dune, the Bene Gesserit would seed/put in prophecies thousands of years before hand to be able to keep control of worlds/societies. I believe we are watching the same thing as in the formation of christiantity 2000 years ago. They are now destroying the old religions and are creating a new religion to control the masses and that concept is the "New Age".
This New Age is a distraction. Sure the PTB are going to put some drama into it and some justification but its a CON! Its a con to stop you from realizing that we are completely inslaved and humanity is becoming extinct. Also in doing the hardest thing which is taking the limited action we have to warn people about GMO's, fluoride, vaccines, tanshumanism, fake democracy, propaganda, programming of our future etc...

Where the tire meets the road:
1. We are being culled at this very moment by the water we drink, the food we eat, vaccines, chemtrails, chemicals, medicine etc...
2. We are being lied too by media, education, politics, medicine, science etc...
3. We must define who the enemy is. And this can be done by reading about their agendas. The eugenicists, League of Nations, United Nations, Royal Society, Counil of Foreign Relations, CIA, MK Ultra, Club of Rome, Aldous Huxley, Carrol Quigley, Listen to Alan Watt for a month and he will give you enough information to study for years.

Godspeed

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I agree.
As I mentioned previously in this thread, too much of the foundation that's sited as fact is quite simply - flawed.

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Allegory:
I have a client that is suffering from agitation, weakness, mood disturbance. This person is fixated on finding the reason why they have been rejected by their parents, (Psychoanalysis), but they are eating McDonalds daily. They cannot change their diet due to not realizing that this is the main problem and move on from their child hood upbringing. Their logos is fighting a low prioritized evil, if you will.

We as a people are disjointed in who the real enemy is. The PTB know this and exploit it. The New Age movement is all about fighting the dark forces that are esoteric/exoteric. Missing the real enemy which is fluoride, clean air, corporate chemicals, GMO'S, media, etc...

The New Age Logos is not in the here and now in our bodies, it is disassociated, up in the ether so to speak. It’s almost like the light and the moth, the Orobourus, Labyrinth. We also have been so programmed to follow parental metaphors/saviors/hope that again we are drawn to the light. I hope this helps.

Good luck

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I don't know anything about that no. I know that they were 3 persons getting this material working together for a 20 years or so. The medium was a woman. At one point Ra speaks about her being "attacked" by a 5th density negative astral being. Most often they send their 4th density negative minions to "attack" Lightworkers, but apparently this was deemed so "important" that it attracted the attention of a 5th density entity.

If a person is driven to insanity and suicide the dark forces are always involved one way or the other (on the astral/mind plane and/or on the 3d physical plane). How else could such things happen? Remember that no matter what you set out to do the universe supports it. If you decide to do something of low integrity (i.e. negative or StS) you will attract (astral)beings to you that will support and help you with that. They will "urge you on" and "tempt/seduce" in any way they can to make a person create negativity which they feed of off. A mental unstable person is "easy pray" for these beings. The higher you go on the Scale the more you will be surrounded by Light beings and guides.

Any intention of low integrity/StS is an open invitations for sts astral beings to enter the Sacred space of your mind. The best StO is to simply rid yourself of as much of these sts parasites as possible by bringing them to the Light of Awareness where they will evaporate like morning dew in the sun. Everyone born on this planet has some amount of these sts beings inside themselves. Most have them in spades and are not at all conscious of it, but rather mistake the honeycombed nest they have built as their own "identity/persona".

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There is only one "enemy" and only one "anti-christ" and that is the ego/mind inside that has not been tamed. As long as your ego/mind/astralparasite complex makes you percieve "outside" enemies, you are lost in the illusion of life. If you aim to "survive" life you have clearly missed the point.

I came to this conclusion at some point in my life when someone simply told me:

Sit down and close your eyes and tell your ego/mind complex to shut the f. up. See if you can have peace and Silence for 1 full minute. If not? Then there is your problem. You are not walking your dog, the dog is walking you. What is this entity inside you that does not care what orders you give it? Is that freedom? Taking orders from some silly ego/mind complex? Being bossed around by some entity inside that you are only semi-aware of. Talk about the invasion of the "body snatchers".

The ego/mind parasitic entity thrives on conflict, and thus it always seek to divide the world into friends vs. enemies, good (me/mine) vs bad(others) etc. Duality in other words. With clarity and Awareness the world becomes One again. There are no "opposites", only a continuum. Only Light or less light, or the almost lack of light (referred to as "darkness"). Everything that exist has Light/Truth in it (or it could not exist), but how much that truth is distorted/perverted is what vary along the Scale. It depends on the perciever, and not so much the "percieved". A person of high integrity has found Truth in him/her self, and thus can percieve truth in anyone else and in all things, all scriptures and all philosphy. Such a person can see how it all (r)evolve around the same ineffable truth. The truth of Identity.

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Hi Magamud and Recallone

Just a little point on the matter of 'inward' and 'outward' thinking and 'flaws' as mentioned in your posts :original:

As I trawled my way through the mountains of information, views, beliefs and so on I obviously encountered all manner of material supporting all manner of beliefs. Being cerebral and analytical - since I think these are necessary tools - I looked for, and encountered, flaws, contradictions and so on even amongst writers who appear to have generated quite a following (e.g. Blavatsky and Bailey, Icke et al).

Philosophically speaking, I can't see a way to actually get to a 'truth'. All we have in terms of research is what is offered to us by others who claim to 'know' but who themselves are often relying on the information provided by others. Or at worst are making it up in order to make a coin or two. So where should we go from here? Is it having faith in our own common sense? Or is it settling with the view that resonates - and are either particularly reliable since we must all necessarily start with a bias/worldview built up over years of experiencing the world, each with our own small window and perspectives?

For me, going 'inward' isn't about mountain-top consciousness. I've found too many contradictions to settle into a camp. It's about finding my own relationship with the matter. I don't 'follow' any one belief or any one authority.

The clearing out of my rucksack did involve understanding the notion of personal responsibility, victim mentality, the tendency to blame others for where I was in life. In this sense going 'inward' didn't mean I came to the conclusion that all is illusion - more that my responses had tended to be automatic, that I was still relying on some outside force to give me information and that I needed to self-audit on a regular basis to check that I wasn't reacting according to the same templates. Others I have met who look inwards are doing much the same thing. :original:

I don't want to hijiack Sanat's thread but I am interested in how others absorb the mountains of info out there and decide which rings true for them.

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Hi Feeler

Thank you for your kind post :original:

It was quite a journey - a fair bit of it was white-water rafting, I have to say:original:

But I think we're kind of like mushrooms - we tend to grow when we're in the dark :original:

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Don't worry about "hijacking", Allie. Your thoughts/experience is much appreciated. Indeed, that is what sharing is about. Arguing over a given "positionality" is meaningless as it only inflames the ego and further polarizes the one's indulging in such activity. If you really want to add value to the thread than you share from your own experience. That is much appreciated indeed.

It is possible to live without conflict inside. It is possible to be peaceful and satisfied inside at all times. Not matter the circumstances. There is no stronger catalyst for spiritual growth than the "unkown" of mortality - of death. Most people think they will live for ever. Death is not allowed to enter into their reality. What we call "life" should be called Life/Death. As death is what we are moving towards all the time. Death strips away all that is unessential. The notion of mortality empties out the "rucksack". It makes you more and more Real inside, because only that which is unreal can die.

All those focused on "surviving" 2012 etc. are in reality missing the opportunity to face their mortality in a honest way. All those placing blame on others/the world/elite etc. are in reality blaming Creator/Creation as there is only One life being lived. That is ok, but it does not lead anywhere but towards more blame. It takes tremendous courage to look at oneself, instead of blaming/projecting it on to others/the world/elite etc. The humility that is needed for such an "inward turn" is incredible. So strong is the grip of the ego/mind complex in many many humans that they would rather die than to admit they are "wrong". The process of emptying the rucksack starts with an incredible act of humility. To admit for oneself that one does really know anything. All is based on others info and general indoctrination. The cult called familiy/society starts the brainwashing process from day one. You have to dig really deep to find the Real under all the layers of conditioning.

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Truth? Fluoride in my drinking water. Genetically modified food in my food supply, genetically modified meat, vaccines laced with toxins, male sperm count going down, hysterectomy in women, false flag events, CIA and mind control, CIA and the drug market, increase in cancer, heart disease, missing children, political corporate psychopaths creating agendas for society, on and on and on and on. All these subjects have so much documentaion to it I could never finish reading all of it in my lifetime.

Then you see people using this philosophy of how the outside is an illusion, the evil is in you and temper your ego, and your inner thoughts are what manifests this. Calm the mind, have no thought, this inner peace will bring about enlightenment.

Talk about putting your head in the sand for some narcissistic delusion while in your face daily these evils are going on.

This is the evil of the "New Age"

Just look at the back posts and the future posts on this thread. Its dissociative, schizoid and delusional. It is a dictators wet dream to have this type of new age response. I mean read it for yourself. The PTB's use counter intelligence to propagate this idea. Hell they can get away with anything if people are up in the clouds looking for enlightenment with no mind. Its something out of a star trek episode (Landru) I urge anyone of you to listen to Alan Watt for a month. Let him deprogram you.

Good luck & Godspeed

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well said, couldn't have put it better myself