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zorgon...your post is exactly what I hope will disappear with a paid subscription! :)

What the "nay sayers" keep failing to mention is that EVERYONE will be free to read all info here....

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Yes, i'd be happy to help out others to stay on the forum, although i still don't think this is the best option.

Weigh it up.
Excellent forum for free, or lesser forum you have to pay for.

mmmm, like i said not the best option.

Also i'd expect more Camelot material in the pipeline if were paying.

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Thx for the reply Bill
But why would I want to pay to use a forum when all the best posters have left and the new info is very one mans view type??????

I have a idea, how about you let all existing members stay for free and charge any new people joining????
That way you reward the people that made this site what it is and you still get a income from new members. Plus your more likely to get new members because there is still a lot of new info being posted.
Also stick a little advert in the corner.

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Tsk, tsk, tsk, . . . (sigh)

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law of attraction people...get out of it! AIM HIGH!

PA powered by U2? a merger? with their site? maybe?
http://www.u2online.org/images/U2-header.gif

i mean them:
http://www.nme.com/images/84_u2_treasurehunt_L.jpg

not them:
http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/...5/50987976.jpg

ok ...so maybe you end up with phil collins...
http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x...leAnimated.gif
so what?

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Whatever for? Its not about the money, its about the principal...

By charging for 'info' on how the PTB and Governments are greedy at the expense of the people they resort to the same tactics and charge to here this?

The info provided by whistle blowers here time after time has failed to come true. Why pay for gloom and doom and false profits... errr prophets?

I can turn on Fox news and get that for free.

Well TTFN I have no intention of providing my work for free when someone else will make a buck from it... or at the very least I want my royalty check...

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after reading your comments i conclude that you may be a prime candidate
for some cult somewhere....good luck on the compound!

:tongue2:

what you seem to not notice is that the info will be leaving once ppl like zorgon are gone...

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Thank you crowmirror! I appreciate your thoughts.

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Goodby to all, i will keep reading, but no more posting.
I would not like to be put on the list for help with payment or free posting as im not one for a free ride (unless in a ufo (snigger)).

Love to all :wub2:

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Hi Francie...

I what many people, myself included are feeling, and the point we're trying to make is this..

yes, we understand the forum will be 'free to read' by all after the change to a monetary-based participation system is imposed... but the point that seems to have been overlooked (or perhaps ignored?) is that what MAKES this forum what it is, is the very information that is provided by the members themselves.. through being able to come and participate, freely and equally.

The whole idea/premise of a Forum, as I understand it, is participation by the public/audience (forgive me if I'm incorrect, I have not checked this in dictionary)... it is the members being able to actively contribute/voice/discuss.. not stand behind a screen hidden from view and just observe..

The members ARE this forum. No members = No information = No forum.

Without the members being able to input/access freely and equally... I think the forum will, sadly, start to be somewhat lacking in having content, and diversity, and may very well find itself not having "all the info", before too long....


Peace and good wishes :original:

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I appreciate what you are saying Worlds Beyond 2...HOWEVER Bill stated that being here is a privilege NOT A RIGHT and if a paid subscription is needed then it is NOT UP FOR DEBATE......

People who do not wish to pay are not REQUIRED TO DO SO. I do not see what the problem is.

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Hello OldPaganFreak.

The forum will remain free as read only, but if you wish to participate then you will have to pay a subscription fee. This is very fair considering the work that Bill and Kerry put into getting this information into the public domain. They are running on fumes right now and im suprised people who claim to care about whats going on dont show their support by helping them out. Many of us have jobs and we can pay the Bills. For Bill and Kerry this is their job. And considering they are providing this very valuable service to us, it is only fair that we play our part in supporting them.

It is also optional if you want to show your support by paying the subscription. If you do not wish to do so that is up to you.

All the best,

Jack

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I've been on the forum since the beginning and it was really exciting when it began - but it's turned into something completely different now and I'm not so interested in being part of what's going on right now - I hope that when the subscription starts things will flow more - I for one will be staying and will be considering the money I pay as a donation to camelot/avalon for the fine work Kerry and Bill et al are doing and to help keep it going - with the added benefit of getting a login to avalon. I haven't used the networking features much yet as I'm not really a fan of facebook-esq sites and never really know what to say to people, but I've noticed quiet a few users that i'm really interested in and I would like to get a bit more involved...


:cheerful_h4h::cheerful_h4h::cheerful_h4h:

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Well said ucan! My sentiments completely! Can't wait to see what changes take place.

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I have to say I dont think this comment was constructive, we all have the right to an oppinion and express our fellings, even if sometimes they are read wrongly.

We still, even if some choose to leave the forum, for what ever private or disclosed reasons that they may have, we have things going on in the world which will require at some stage people working together to bring love and peace back to a stricken world, bickering and rudeness will only make people like myself wonder if the love and light realy shines from this once lovely forum.

Donny

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Well said Jack! And with such a low fee for subscription I throw principals aside, and would be happy to help out those in need. False prophecies or not, I look at it as enlightening entertainment, for lack of any better words. There is always something to learn here!

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Hello Jack..

Listen.. What about us outside US that have problems with the dollar, and is very (not to say almos imposible) to obtain the dollars here..

The Exchange Monetary system in Venezuela is controlled 110% by the goverment... I wish to subscribe and keep writting in the forum, but to obtain the dollars to pay is REALLY difficult..

What about that kind of problem!!?? :wall:

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I agree with you. What Bill and Kerry are doing costs money unlike on other forums where extensive travelling is not required to get information.

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Ouch!! :sad:
I was not having a go at you at all, so why are you up on some high horse ?

The "privilege" aspect, if there is one, goes BOTH ways.. are PA not priveleged that so many ordinary members have shared so much of their personal experiences, knowledge, idea and stories on here??

the "RIGHT" ??? oh.. ok... well.. I'm not sure it's worth continuing trying to reason with you ... ?? There is a BIG difference between "appreciating" what someone is saying, and really seeking to understand their view/feelings/thoughts, with an open mind and heart...

Take care Francie! :original:

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Hm, going to start charging for forum? Well while nothing in life is free. I will have to say reading something you can't comment on isn't very rewarding. Appears my time here has been cut short.:sad:

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I was here from the beginning and i opt to stay. Most of you who opted to leave do so out of principle, but none of you can know for certain what this forum will become after you have left. You may well regret leaving.

You are actually demonstrating that you prefer self-service, i.e. what's in it for me? And yet, you want this world to change for the better...just as long as you are not asked to participate in it's change. This yearly subscription is in truth very low, and the vast majority would well be able to afford it.

At this stage in the game i do not see the sense in leaving, because by doing so you will deliberately withold your knowledge and your support to the rest of us who would value your input.

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Sounds quite reasonable - read for free, pay to contribute....:smoke:

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We did!

It was just about the first thing we posted, as we knew it was important not to ambush people with this.

We actually said (in early September) we'd implement the subscription at the start of October. But there were so many new posts and threads right at the beginning that we do understand that you might well have missed it.

Very best wishes, Bill

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But don't ask the U2 guys to invest in Ireland, their own country of origin,

Taxes are too high !...:thumbdown:


salute.

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It would be the first forum that I would have to pay to be a part of...


Weird...C-ya

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brightest blessings to all

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what I don't understand is, with all the whistleblowers that are so connected here why don't they spend a bit themselves. They seem to be from very high paid work and they want us to listen so we can understand. Why are people now being charged? Its not like we are being chrged enough in life.
Someting just smells funny....I know of hundreds of sites that run larger forums than this and they are very poor people.

Iff I had the spare money I'd be chucking a bit of cash about just to stop this stupidity.

I smell a rat

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Adios.

A sido genial el tiempo compartido.
los veo aca: http://www.astrovera.com/forum/index.php

PAZ

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$12.00 a year minimum.

Whistleblowers contact us for free by post, telephone, e-mail or Skype. We had one such conversation tonight, that lasted for 90 minutes.

After due diligence, we publish their testimony free of charge on the net, and sometimes pay thousands of dollars to travel to interview them on camera.

Viewers, listeners or readers pay precisely $0.00.

Bogus math. Not very scientific :)

We started thinking about the book in January.

Shame on you, Ron. F*** your sarcasm. If you'd met us in Vegas when we offered to buy you dinner - and you never returned any of our phone calls - you would have learned at first hand about us, our principles and values.

You've never once met us, but you prefer internet rumor, and (as usual) figure that you know best. You may not.

Be careful - you are revealing what a good researcher you may or may not be.

Ask John what kind of people we are. He will tell you.

Very best wishes, Bill

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Love you Bill.

Well said!

Please know that most of Avalons supporters do not buy into the rubbish that was posted on this thread by zorgon.

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What it "will become"?? probably fairly empty and narrow ..? Just my feeling, as it will lack the rich diversity / volume of information and knowledge and ideas provided by so many members who are not able or willing to pay to post. And, this is exactly one of my earlier points.. Bill/Kerry (I feel) are possibly likely to feel regret about the decision they made at some future point.. I could be wrong..... ho hum..

Wow! Did you really mean that or think about it before saying it?? I beg to differ on your view here. I for one, have very little, materailly or financially. I came here as much to share my experiences with others as to learn from others experiences. Memebers who post are not "takers". Many, maybe MOST, are in fact "Givers", as they are sharing and providing information, knowledge, experience and learning. The members contributions are the SOLE content of the Avalon forum.

Also.. how can you possibly comment or know what any single person here does to make a contribution to this world?? Do you know any, or all of them?? What they have done / do now / do in future for others?? Who are you to estimate, assume or judge anybody's commitment or actions or record towards service to others / to the world, or to bringing about positive changes ???


I'm sure nobody who leaves has even contemplated this as being "Deliberately withholding knowlege" or denying "support"... as you seem to see it..... .it's more that many feel why should they be forced to pay to share their knowledge??? Or to participate??

The knowledge on the forum IS the knowledge ALREADY provided FREE OF CHARGE by the current members. So.. your point makes no sense, at any level, to me anyway. In fact, the reality, to me, is quite the reverse !! ... taken logically, surely it would then mean P/Avalon paying MEMBERS for the knowledge they give to create Forum Avalon?? Otherwise P/Avalon is just acting as a 'service to self' by asking people to contribute knowledge and ideas and support, AND then asking them to PAY for the privilege of doing so!!! lol.

........anyway... ...... so.... this post of yours makes me once again realise that the idea of "listening" and "seeking to understand" what many members are saying, instead of judging them/viewing them as 'wrong' comes into play again...

the accusation that people who are leaving "prefer self-service, i.e. what's in it for me? And yet, ..want this world to change for the better...just as long as you are not asked to participate in it's change" is not only laughable, it is quite insulting and deeply offensive, to me personally (you have NO idea what I do, what I give, or how I interact in this world, not my blanace of GIVE and TAKE in life!!).. and possibly will be equally as insulting and offensive to the many, many people (much more than me!) who have shared so much knowledge, wisdom, love and ideas on here.. and in other's lives/the wider world ... for FREE !!!

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Jaysus! Avalon is really gettin a good oul beating off the duality stick recently. Tempers flairing and broken hearts all over the place and not forgetting the Love and light crowd still dancing naked and holding hands in the corner. How interesting. Ill miss throwing in a thought or two every now and then her on avalon but Ill still visit to gather info (if theres any left after everyone leaves). I wish everyone all the best. I pray, out of all the theories that are out there on whats gonna happen that we do indeed evolve into something better. If its certain death for all, than Ill see you all next time we reincarnate and start all this bulls**t all over again.

Good bye for now peeps

Danny

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interesting point Truth Voice 2012,

If we are all dead and moving vibration/dimention, why do we need cash ?

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It is just a bad business decision to try to charge for something people obviously don't want to pay for.

Subscription models on the web only work for things that people are willing to pay for... like porn.

For everything else there is advertising.

Look at Google. All of their services are free and they make $5B every 3 months.

Unlike forum users, advertisers will go out of their way to give you money.


I admit that advertising is a less then desirable solution but it is a much better solution then your subscription idea.


People love you and we are grateful for the work that you do but you should take some business advice.

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Just to let those know, it seems that my presence is greatly desired here so regardless of what happens, my membership has been vouched for by several individuals. Thank you for your gifts and also helping Project Avalon. It seems I will be having a website going up rather shortly with my work and writings.

However, I want people to understand the 'principle' at hand like Zorgan has stated along with historycircus. I also want people to critically think about this as this a major MAJOR philosophical idea that people need to try and wrap their minds around. As you may know, the three of us are active posters on Avalon, and are considered by many to be great assets in terms of the insight we contribute [and I say that out of truth, not modesty]. So, I hope that with that notion, you really try to grasp why the three of us have this position and that it is not based on some 'freeloader' mentality.

Principal first is a huge thing. It comes down to honor and belief. Relate to the movie Braveheart where Mel Gibson is breathing his last breaths in the end of the movie. It seems like the logical thing to do was to 'give in' and renounce your beliefs to save your life. However, he goes to his death with his beliefs. This scene is one of the defining moments in all of Hollywood of the true meaning of honor.

Technically, if we give in to paying a fee, we are indeed renouncing our honor, our beliefs. Through my experience in life, many people have a hard time fully grasping this concept. It relates again to a Chinese proverb I recently used on Avalon, "To know and not to do, is not to know." These concepts are at the core of philosophical understanding. Some of you may indeed grasp the concept of honor, but do you live by it [being that you choose to even recognize it as something of a positive nature versus impractical and foolish as many seem to see].

If one is able to grasp the concept that at the core of this universe is consciousness while hard matter is all but an illusion, then it is behavior that matters over material actions. Connect that notion with honor and survival now.

A 'true' philosopher realizes the reality of ownership and knowledge in that there is no concrete connection between the two. When one applies such a restraint, especially in the terms of knowledge that is being presented that relates to these specific concepts, in my opinion is rather hypocritical.

Bill and Kerry if you read this, I by no means mean to offend or disrespect you but am discussing this from a purely philosophical position. Namaste.

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I guess it's your very good right to differ.

Why can i not comment? You do! My opinion on this subject may be different from yours, but it's just as valid.

I guess you want everything for free.

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oh i get it,
http://artificeeternity.com/voltage/...in_300x300.jpg
it would be too cool really with U2...
the band is probably also not anymore what it used to be....
bono is too deep into politics.:sad:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image..._bush_body.jpg

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Symobolon..

1. there's a very big difference between making a "comment" / having an "opinion" and making accusations/value judgements about people.

2. I don't want anything for free. I don't want anything in fact. I have no 'wants' in my life.

thank you for replying :original:



By the way... one final thought..... not aimed at anyone, just a thought... after all this debate/conflict about money... and "Right" and "privilege" etc.... have some people forgotten what is coming?? What lies ahead???

The fact is.. there is no such thing as MONEY on the 'other side' !!! :original:


Peace and light to all..... and God bless your journey...

:original: