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Be wise as serpents, harmless as doves.

I agree gullibility is not a great trait, discernment is truly the key to spiritual freedom.

HOWEVER, it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than it is for a camel to enter the eye of the needle. Consider, "rich" means "rich" in beliefs. The more with "Think" we "know", the more likely we are to cut ourselves off from Divine revelation, from Truth, which is truly Infinite.

As soon as we create an image of what "God is" and who is saved and who is not, and we "know the answers" of creation, well, we've shut ourselves off from Truth, because human minds cannot even begin to understand the mysteries of creation which are infinite and always transcending themselves.

We must "Be as a child to enter the kingdom of heaven that is inside of us, at hand, Now".

Meaning: Curious, always asking questions, no attachments, KNOWING we KNOW NOTHING!

There is always MORE.

Attachments to beliefs are exactly what keep us out of the kingdom of heaven. Reality is much more than our thoughts or beliefs and we will experience suffering should we choose to identify with our thoughts and beliefs, which by their nature, are limited and false. There is always a higher Truth.

As soon as we're 'teachers' and no longer students, then I would suggest we are students who are failing Schoolroom Earth ;) ~ Because there is always MORE, and each of us, yes each of us, has pieces of the puzzle.

Love your neighbor as yourSelf ;)

Shine your Light and Be, but judge not, for we will be judged by the standards we use to judge others (I would suggest this is cosmic law*)

Re: Be careful not to be gullible.
 

Of all the things Jesus taught us this is surely the one that resonates the strongest.

We have no reason to assume people will lie to us unless they do. We must continually guage what others say against our experience and our Thought Adjuster, Guiding Source or conscience or what ever you call it. God has given us this gift. For "I am in the Father and the Father is in Me". Jesus taught us that it was this way with us as it is with him. If we listen to our conscience when making any choices we are following the will of God. This is a belief beyond religeon for all religeons that stood the test of time follow this teaching. If we take time to "Be Still to Know God" and listen surely this is as importart as "Asking to Receive".

This is what it means to be careful and not be gullible. In order to do this we must listen not just to those sources of information external but to the true source within for confirmation.

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Exactly.

The poster won't answer my question about people who believe strongly in god and preach about the truth being in a book.

Is that not gullible as well?

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What's wrong with being deceived?
In terms of our eternal being, all will be made known eventually, whether in this life or another.

I don't think you've stated it yet, but your passion seems to be in saving people from some fate that awaits the deceived?
That if we just follow whatever sounds good, or 'fluffy' we may end up... where? ...Hell?
You being a KJV person I think that may be what you're saying?

I understand that. I used to be christian myself. I was raised in it from birth. I used to believe that daemons were waiting to deceive us at every turn - even in our own minds. I used to be wary of the 'New Age'. I used to believe in the 6 day Creation, the fall of Adam, the virgin birth, the resurrection, the second coming, hell, heaven, etc.

Have you ever wondered though? What's really wrong with being deceived?
Have you ever questioned, in terms of Eternity, why should somebody who is deceived, be punished for being deceived?
Is it their fault?
If someone really deserves punishment out of that situation why not punish the deceiver, not the innocently deceived?
You do understand that on some level, because you're here trying to awaken people from their 'deception' - otherwise you'd leave us to what we 'deserve'.

Yes, in nature deception rules, and will cost you.
If you don't see the Tiger in the long grass because it's camouflage deceives your eyes - you will be it's dinner.
No mercy.

If you believe in the 'super'-natural though, that we are eternal beings, and you believe in a God, doesn't he(/she) have greater depth than that?
Greater understanding, greater mercy?
When there is a supposedly loving merciful omnipotent being watching over all, how could anyone's eternal fate be left to such a merciless extreme?

So a 'daemon' has sought out an earnest truthseeker and set up some deception to draw them away from the 'truth', then their life expires before they realise the deception.
Do they deserve 'punishment'?
No explanation for why they must now suffer?
No second chance?

Your level of passion seems to imply that you think those who are gullible have such a fate awaiting them, and they are merrily skipping to their eternal doom.
I understand that if you believe that, such passion, compassion for us, is admirable - but isn't even that level of compassion greater than the god in the bible shows?

These are things most people on this forum have faced in their own way.
They may not accept the logic presented for such a thing as an eternal hell. Not because they are gullible, deceived by daemons, or seeking something more 'fluffy', but because such unnecessary punishment is repulsive to most civilised beings.

It's hard to worship a god who doesn't seem to show the same level of mercy and compassion that most humans demand even from themselves.
So they can't really believe in the bible god, or that his way of doing things is how things really are.

They aren't gullible, they aren't ignorant, they're just seeking a level of truth and justice that is higher than the version presented in the bible, or any other holy book.

If mere mortal me can think of a better system of eternal 'justice' than burning people in a lake of fire (reincarnation for example) then how can I accept any less from a supposed 'god' that I am then supposed to worship?

People aren't necessarily jumping on you for mentioning the word 'Jesus' or 'Bible'. They are more liekly jumping at a concept they have already processed and rejected.

A lot of people here know that the 3 day death and resurrection is really an allegory to the changing direction of the sun at the winter Solstice (Merry Christmas /Saturnalia /Sol Invictus) and thus the deception at the foundations of the gospel story.
So for them rejecting Jesus is actually part of trying not to be gullible themselves...

It's not necessarily personal against you in particular.
They may have experience with others who have been more stubborn (you have to admit there are some raving fundy bible thumpers out there) and maybe unfairly assume you are the same - but these are issues that cut to the core of what it means to be human - and most people don't like the humiliating way the bible depicts mankind - that he is the Potter and we are the clay, to be disposed of how he see's fit - or that man deserves eternal hellfire by default.
It's natural to be defensive against such degrading implications (it's the same tyranny we reject in human societies).

It's not rebelling against 'god', it's rebelling against the idea of unecessary harshness.
It's seeking what true god we know must exist, who doesn't demand such harshness.

You may think that's just seeking something more 'fluffy', but why not?

If you're not implying any horrible eternal fate then my apologies for going on so long, but when you mention the bible etc. that's what most people see being implied - and may naturally object to...

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I will make a post about this in the near future. I can't wrao up what I think of this in a thread response.

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This is as far as I got before I decided I wouldn't respond to the rest. I did read it. Don't agree. That's all I have left to say.

Re: Be careful not to be gullible.
 

Which part of "I'm not here to have religious debates" don't you understand?

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Of course. The point about theatrics is that they interfere with the data content of your message. Beating someone over the head is not the best way to invite them to listen to a well-argued case.

You have some important points to make, but if you antagonize those debating with you then they're much less likely to hear you. It then just becomes a fight. That's not what Avalon is for and does not embody our ideals.

I'm now back to my own thread - I won't visit here again (sorry - no time, honestly)

Best wishes, Bill

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DEAR OXYMORON,
Wisdom is needed in these difficult times......half a million people cannot all be wrong.........once your sound frequency rises by negateing your ego self , pride , vanity , arrogance selfishness etc......then you will realize that scurge of the human condition , which is that:ALL PEOPLE ON THE EARTH ARE SUFFERING...secondly it is "FEAR" which creates the negativism on the EARTH .You keep asking people to come to you for the truth.....the first discernment of a wise person IS TO KEEP AWAY fom a person with arrogant conceited thought patterns GIVE THEM A a wide birth.......so teach us something new and wise, as the battle is between SANITY and INSANITY

lol
DOMINIC

Re: Be careful not to be gullible.
 

Yo, WarriorServant,
my (humble) advice;
Get a life of your own & don't bother so much about what other people feel, think, dream or whatever they do, that irritates you.

By the way, a Servant of a Warrior is a soldier.
Are you a 'Sir! Yes, sir!' person?

Re: Be careful not to be gullible.
 

Warrior, I hadn’t read your post until tonight, and I haven’t read all the pages in between. I just wanted to say I agree with you in concept, “very few people have a logical thinking discerning mind”. I’ve been an analyst all my career, I have to do careful research and not draw immediate conclusions, and in my career line, I work with many who are the same.

I’ve studied this ‘disclosure’ movement for over a year now, I’ve watched many whistleblowers videos and done my own follow up research. My biggest piece of advice to anybody, would be, “be careful not to be too gullible”, which is the very title of your post. I also advise, use scientific research and methodology to sort the facts out from stories which get passed around like gossip.

I am often reminded of ‘chicken little’, who cried ‘the sky is falling, the sky is falling,’ and when running to tell the king, got a crowd to follow her to the foxes den.

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Aaaaaah, "common sense". Music to my ears..

*Group hugs everyone*

Milky Bars are on me!

edit: For those that don't get the milky bars comment..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVR6bBT4KUg

Re: Be careful not to be gullible.
 

I sat here for 2 hrs waiting to here his news on his story, experiences, and what not, and I am getting the feeling it will be a while before he finally says something, I agree with what most folks have said, he should have just told his story. I agree with bill also, he should have just, he should have just told the story, i probably would have listen, now i am just plain frustrated, and waiting upon this info.

The negativity and pushiness of the original poster and his responses just got me wondering, what makes his more important then anyone, if it is more important then he should have just said it..

All i want is the story, i could care less on where it came from, i will work with what I know in my spirit and nothing more, as will many others here.

I have my stories to but mine are written in books and poems..

I don't push my beliefs on anyone for any reason not even for the fate of the world, because we all have a say in it one way or another..:thumb_yello:

Namaste-Matte

Good to be back :mfr_lol:

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I did't open this thread to tell any stories.

I opened this thread to express my concern about people peeing in each others pockets.

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I will get to what I want to post, but this particular moment in time is not the moment where I wish to do it.

What ever it is your going to tell is all i am saying dude, nothing more nothing less.. :thumb_yello:

Ok anybody want to contact me when he is ready, my door is open.:welcomeani:

Namaste-Matte:wub2:

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I believe this thread is the one you're after. "This" thread has been created because I see far to many people pandering to excitement.

I will get around to everything I want to say in due course. It's unfair of people to demand that I start typing out my life story at the snap of some fingers. I need time and quiet. At the time people were asking me to "start typing my story" (which this thread had nothing to do with anyway), I had been awake over 24 hours. I went to sleep, woke up, and started the above linked thread. I stated my position. I stated that the threads will come. I am only human. I can't work out what all the fuss is about. Give me time. I have a lot to say and I can't post it all in 2 hours. Additionally, I like to stick with ONE thread / subject at a time so that I can pay it proper attention. Just have patience.

P.S. Please don't go to the above thread to find something to complain about (as you did with this thread). I'm getting tired of people complaining all about me. I'm just trying to post what I have to say in peace, but some people just like whining -- and it's distracting.

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Dude its all good, take ur time, but when you make folks think you have something to say right away, you will get that type of reaction, i honestly don't care when you post. I just want to be contacted by anyone when you finally get to the straight up point, that's all i am concerned about, you could post it next yr for all i care.. And i post that quote because you said you didn't have a story, but in fact you do,(i wasn't complaining) plz don't take things out of context.

Anyone who has read any of my posts, knows I don't play games let alone push buttons let alone complain about much here, And I think with all the frustration everyone has been going through, I think your gonna get that kind of reaction.

To me it's all gravy,:cup:

Namaste-Matte

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Dude everything you stated here is the reason why I stopped ministering and starting on a less judgmental path, i am BECOMING more lightened by the day, so if anyone is going to quote me then plz quote me correctly (LOL)

I love to learn and i am still learning and waiting upon relevant info to help me grow, you have posed all the statements I have known for many yrs now, I am glad i am not the only one who thought this.

Namaste-Matte:wub2:

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I'm lost Shadowstalker. Do you have anything to contribute to the thread, concerning the original post?

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I am aloud to respond to other folks unless someone changed the rules with out informing me, and not right now, no I don't have anything , but you could have had something to contribute other then being worried about my response to someone else, If i find another person to respond to, i will do that as well.. Please don't worry about me, I am just still going through the threads again.

And seeings how you said last night that you will take your time with what you have planned for this thread, i think I will do my best to communicate to others the best way I can, and relay my thoughts to them..

Namaste-Matte