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peaceandlove 02-18-2009 08:54 AM

Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
All Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009 SEE Page #2, Post #33


POST #23 :gun2: Anti-Gun Rights Bill Defeated in the House :gun2:


Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
Full Article Here: http://gunowners.org/a021009.htm

Lost in all the news of the massive bailout bill that just passed the Senate is another enormous bill, one that increases federal control of public and private land.

Of particular concern to gun owners is that the bill, S. 22, will greatly expand the amount of land controlled by the National Park Service. NPS land is currently subject to a gun ban...


Dem’s Use “Stimulus” as Cover for More Gun Control
Full Article Here: http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8460

By CCRKBA Friday, February 13, 2009

Dear Concerned Citizen,

The liberals are at it again. In a new bill introduced the first day of the present session of Congress, and with zero coverage from the MSM, H.R. 45 (Blair Holt’s Firearm Licensing and Record of Sale Act of 2009) targets all gun owners in the U.S.A. While the media the world and everyone else is focused on the “phony plan” to spend tax dollars legislation is sneeking through the House and Senate for more gun control.

This nefarious bill seeks to strip us all of our Constitutional Rights to possess and bear firearms of any distinction. It requires, within the first two years, that all new guns be registered. The bill goes retroactive after two years. Meaning that two years after the passage of the bill, ALL FIREARMS in a citizen’s possession must be registered, not just those purchased after the bill passes, and this apparently applies to antique firearms as well.


CNN-Obama: Gov Can Take Rights and Guns
Video (2:02): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9GFg...eature=related


PLEASE ALSO SEE THESE POSTS AT AVALON REGARDING GUN CONTROL:

British Gun Ban Backfires http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10204

GUN SALES in US on the Rise http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10481

peaceandlove 02-19-2009 05:32 AM

Re: Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
The following if from Mike, AKA FeverIAm on youtube channel, a person who helps people to think through current issues and offers some thoughts of his own.

Don't Panic! New law to restrict US firearms!

VIDEO (3:53): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRaMO...eature=channel

Feb 18, 2009

FIREARM OWNERS ID-INSURANCE:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bill...76&LegID=41158

Illinois Rules Committee - Members:
http://www.ilga.gov/house/committees...ommitteeID=602

Warning to American Gun Owners:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo_FKadkNI4

Humble Janitor 02-19-2009 11:30 AM

Re: Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
I like how they immediately blame liberals for this. That's the type of response they are conditioned to give whenever they feel threatened.

I'm for responsible gun ownership, not gun bans.

oldpaganfreak 02-19-2009 05:14 PM

Re: Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
this is not new stuff for canada. the federal govt has wasted billions of dollars on the canadian gun registry and, after years, still has only registered a smmall percentage of the guns in canada. mainly police, military and a few law-abiding city folks have registered theirs. there are a lot of old farmers that have never broken a law, that are now criminals due to owning illegal guns.
don't worry though, 'cause anyone with a license can buy your ammo for you.

Humble Janitor 02-20-2009 12:23 AM

Re: Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
Regardless of how I view gun laws, I will always think of guns as negative devices because they kill and maim. They do not accomplish anything positive, except for saving the lives of people, which can be done using methods other than weapons.

oldpaganfreak 02-20-2009 03:02 AM

Re: Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor (Post 114427)
Regardless of how I view gun laws, I will always think of guns as negative devices because they kill and maim. They do not accomplish anything positive, except for saving the lives of people, which can be done using methods other than weapons.


guns also feed and protect. i hunt for food and i had to kill a bear on my front porch this summer. a gun is a valuable tool.

peaceandlove 02-20-2009 10:39 PM

Illinois Bill Would Require Gun Owners to Buy $1M in Liability Insurance
 
Illinois Bill Would Require Gun Owners to Buy $1M in Liability Insurance

February 18, 2009

An Illinois state lawmaker is proposing that gun owners be required to carry personal liability insurance of at least $1 million.

Rep. Kenneth Dunkin's bill seeks to amend the state's Firearm Owners Identification Card Act to provides that any person who owns a firearm in the state maintain a $1 million or higher policy of liability insurance "specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person."

A gun owner would be responsible after a firearm is lost or stolen until the loss or theft is reported to the police department or sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the owner resides.

Police would be empowered to pull the gun license of anyone who does not submit evidence of having the required insurance.

The measure is now in the House Rules Committee.

Source: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news...2/18/97987.htm

Humble Janitor 02-20-2009 11:21 PM

Re: Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oldpaganfreak (Post 114477)
guns also feed and protect. i hunt for food and i had to kill a bear on my front porch this summer. a gun is a valuable tool.

They are still negative devices to me.

There are other ways to hunt and protect that don't involve using such a device.

But, if you want to own and use a gun, be my guest. I will just respectfully disagree. :)

Humble Janitor 02-20-2009 11:22 PM

Re: Illinois Bill Would Require Gun Owners to Buy $1M in Liability Insurance
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peaceandlove (Post 114720)
Illinois Bill Would Require Gun Owners to Buy $1M in Liability Insurance

February 18, 2009

An Illinois state lawmaker is proposing that gun owners be required to carry personal liability insurance of at least $1 million.

Rep. Kenneth Dunkin's bill seeks to amend the state's Firearm Owners Identification Card Act to provides that any person who owns a firearm in the state maintain a $1 million or higher policy of liability insurance "specifically covering any damages resulting from negligent or willful acts involving the use of such firearm while it is owned by such person."

A gun owner would be responsible after a firearm is lost or stolen until the loss or theft is reported to the police department or sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the owner resides.

Police would be empowered to pull the gun license of anyone who does not submit evidence of having the required insurance.

The measure is now in the House Rules Committee.

Source: http://www.insurancejournal.com/news...2/18/97987.htm

This is more proof that the Constitution is nil. If it were still relevant, you would not see such bills/laws on the brink of passage.

oldpaganfreak 02-21-2009 12:01 AM

Re: Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor (Post 114740)
They are still negative devices to me.
There are other ways to hunt and protect that don't involve using such a device.
But, if you want to own and use a gun, be my guest. I will just respectfully disagree. :)

how would you suggest that i had stopped the bear that was coming into my house last september?
i had tried to scare him away for a couple of days, but he kept coming back.

peaceandlove 02-25-2009 12:09 PM

CNN- Obama To BAN Guns
 
CNN- Obama To BAN Guns

January 28, 2009

Video (8:02): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vKfL...w.gcnlive.com/

More Videos under (more info) section of youtube page.



$1 Million Insurance Policy to Own a GUN? - Glenn Beck Comrade Update!

February 20, 2009
Required to Have a $1 Million Insurance Policy to Own a GUN? - Comrade Update! Interview with Stephen Halbrook.

Glenn Beck Founding Fathers Constitution Totalitarianism NWO George Washington Federal Reserve Depression American America Revolution Ron Paul

Video (6:54): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woyyx...eature=related

peaceandlove 02-25-2009 12:21 PM

Re: Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
Suit against Chicago Gun Ban
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/lawsu...go_gun_ban.pdf

An Interview With Stephen P. Halbrook
by Carlo Stagnaro

The Second Amendment to the US Constitution declares: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/stagnaro5.html

THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN THE SUPREME COURT
WHERE IT’S BEEN AND WHERE IT’S GOING

Stephen P. Halbrook Constitutional Law
Article: http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/law_r...premecourt.pdf

Right to Bear Arms
http://www.stephenhalbrook.com/right-to-bear-arms.html

Lawsuit against New Orleans gun confiscations from Hurricane Katrina Victims

http://www.stephenhalbrook.com


The Independent Institute
http://www.independent.org/aboutus/p...ail.asp?id=517

Dr. Stephen P. Halbrook has taught legal and political philosophy at George Mason University, Howard University, and Tuskegee Institute. He received his J.D. from the Georgetown University Law Center and Ph.D. in social philosophy from Florida State University.
The winner of three cases before the U.S. Supreme Court (Printz v. United States, United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Company, and Castillo v. United States), he has testified before the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Senate Subcommittee on the Constitution, Subcommittee on Crime of the House Judiciary Committee, Senate Governmental Affairs Committee, and House Committee on the District of Columbia.

peaceandlove 02-25-2009 01:18 PM

What the 2nd Amendment is for
 
What the 2nd Amendment is for

Listen to this young woman tell legislators that the purpose of the 2nd Amendment is not to protect the right to hunt ducks. It's about protecting all of us from you guys!!!

Armed citizens

Gandhi and Jefferson liked the idea
Hitler and Stalin hated it.
You don't have to like guns to understand what the 2nd Amendment is for.


Video (5:24): http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/564.html

peaceandlove 02-25-2009 01:33 PM

House shoots down federal gun controls
 
House shoots down federal gun controls :gun2:

Posted on Feb. 14
By KAHRIN DEINES of the Associated Press

Source: http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

HELENA (AP) - Montana lawmakers fired another shot in battles for states’ rights as they supported letting some Montana gun owners and dealers skip reporting their transactions to the federal government.

Excerpt:

The bill potentially could release Montanans from both federal gun registration requirements and dealership licensing rules.

Complete Article: http://www.missoulian.com/articles/2...bnews/br26.txt

peaceandlove 03-02-2009 05:56 AM

Gun Store Owner Talks About BOOMING Gun Sales on Glenn Beck
 
Gun Store Owner Talks About BOOMING Gun Sales on Glenn Beck

Recent spike in gun sales may be due to economic worries.

Posted on youtube February 26, 2009.

Video (5:02): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEQC7...eature=related

Previous vid does not appear to be playing straight through on my slow-as-it-goes DSL.

Alternate Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_90a4Jb6bI

Dantheman62 03-02-2009 06:17 AM

Re: Gun Store Owner Talks About BOOMING Gun Sales on Glenn Beck
 
Ha this reminds me, I need to get some 9mm,.38,.22, 410 and 12 gauge shells, LOL!

peaceandlove 03-05-2009 01:28 PM

Judge Napolitano's "Freedom Watch" 3/4/09 GUN CONTROL
 
Fox News Strategy Room "FREEDOM WATCH" w/ Judge Napolitano, Lew Rockwell, Larry Pratt, John Lott 03/4/2009

Part 3 GUN CONTROL STARTS AT 6:35 (10:00): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iudiA...eature=channel

Part 4 GUN CONTROL (10:00): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp9x_...eature=channel

Part 5 GUN CONTROL ENDS AT 1:11 (10:00): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzMX2...eature=channel

peaceandlove 03-13-2009 10:36 AM

New Calls for Assault-Gun Ban
 
New Calls for Assault-Gun Ban

MARCH 13, 2009

By ALEX ROTH, PAULO PRADA and COREY DADE

Gun-control activists have renewed calls for the federal government to reinstate a ban on so-called assault weapons in the wake of Tuesday's deadly shooting rampage in Alabama.

Stricter national gun-control laws face dim prospects in Washington, however, despite Democratic control of Congress and the White House.

Gun sales have soared in the months since the presidential election, due in part to fears among gun owners that President Barack Obama intends to ban assault weapons, or guns that can fire rounds more quickly than standard weapons.

In November, a record 1,529,635 background checks were performed on firearms sales, up 42% from the same period a year earlier, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. A 24% year-over-year increase followed in December, with similar increases so far this year.

Background checks are considered a measure of sales because they are required during any sale of a new weapon from a federally licensed retailer, or if a weapon is sold or reclaimed from a pawn shop.

While Mr. Obama supports reinstating the assault-weapons ban, he also is confronting numerous other matters, such as the economy and health care.

He also would face stiff opposition in Congress from his own party. In recent weeks, powerful Democrats, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.), have expressed opposition to renewing the federal assault-weapons ban, which was enacted in 1994 under President Bill Clinton. The ban bars the sale of certain semiautomatic weapons. The law expired in 2004.

Article continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3350


NEWS RELEASE

Citizens Committee for the
Right to Keep and Bear Arms
12500 N.E. Tenth Place
Bellevue, WA 98005

OBAMA LIED TO GUN OWNERS, SAYS CCRKBA; ATTACK PLAN REVEALED BY HOLDER

For Immediate Release: February 26, 2009

Source: http://www.ccrkba.org/pub/rkba/press....gunowners.htm
Website: http://www.ccrkba.org/

BELLEVUE, WA – As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama deliberately and repeatedly lied to America’s 90 million gun owners across the country when he insisted that he would not try to take away anyone’s firearms, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today.

CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, reacting to yesterday’s remarks by Obama’s Attorney General Eric Holder that the president will seek to reinstate the ban on semi-automatic firearms, said Obama “knew he was lying to the nation because his own website touted his plan to revive the gun ban and make it permanent.”

“We warned America that Obama’s ‘support’ for the Second Amendment was empty rhetoric,” he stated, “and now Holder’s disclosure has confirmed it. Obama was lying, and now gun rights may be dying.”

Several times on the campaign trail, Obama told voters “I’m not going to take your guns away.” He said it at rallies in Duryea, Pennsylvania and in Boise, Idaho. He also told a news conference that “Lawful gun owners have nothing to fear…I think people can take me at my word.”

“Right now,” said Gottlieb, “I wouldn’t take Obama’s word if he said it rains a lot in Seattle. Apparently, law-abiding gun owners have nothing to fear unless they own sport-utility rifles, semiautomatic shotguns, handguns and any other firearm that Obama and his anti-gun attorney general don’t like.

“Thanks to Eric Holder, who has been far more honest than his boss about his anti-gun philosophy, it is now clear that the new president doesn’t support the Second Amendment at all,” he observed. “American gun owners should remind Democrats in Congress that the Second Amendment means what it says, especially when the president doesn’t.”

With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is one of the nation’s premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities throughout the United States. The Citizens Committee can be reached by phone at (425) 454-4911, on the Internet at www.ccrkba.org or by email to InformationRequest@ccrkba.org.

peaceandlove 03-15-2009 03:07 AM

Gun Makers and Retailers Post Strong Sales Increases
 
Gun Makers and Retailers Post Strong Sales Increases

By Natalie Zmuda
Published: March 09, 2009

Sour Economy, Potential for Tightened Regulations Drive Buyers to Firearms

Last paragraph:

On the manufacturing side, publicly traded firearm manufacturers, such as Smith & Wesson and Sturm, Ruger & Co. are enjoying strong sales and relatively steadier stock prices. Smith & Wesson said aside from the 40% growth in pistol sales in its most recent quarter, tactical rifle sales soared 308%. Sturm, Ruger & Co. reported an 81% increase in firearms revenue. In a message on its website, Rock River Arms, which specializes in custom rifles and pistols, cites an "overwhelming increase in orders" in explaining why it can no longer provide estimated delivery dates, and notes that it is increasing production.

Full article: http://adage.com/article?article_id=135092

Dantheman62 03-15-2009 03:30 AM

Re: Gun Makers and Retailers Post Strong Sales Increases
 
That's a heck of an increase in sales! wow, I wonder if they're hiring? I'll check into it!

Smith and Wesson- only two openings
Ruger- only two openings
Colt- no openings

Swanny 03-15-2009 10:45 AM

Re: Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
I bet people wish they had voted for the other bloke now
Obama has proved himself to be full of 5hit :thumbdown:

peaceandlove 03-17-2009 02:17 AM

Anti-Gun Rights Bill Defeated in the House
 
Anti-Gun Rights Bill Defeated in the House :gun2:

Thanks to Gun Owners of America for the following information:

Quote:

Wednesday, March 11, 2009

Thanks to you, a bill expanding gun control on federal land was narrowly defeated Wednesday morning, March 11.

The Omnibus Public Lands Act of 2009, S. 22, would have drastically increased the amount of land controlled by the National Park Service, thus subjecting such land to the anti-gun regulations of the agency.

The bill was brought to the floor of the U.S. House on what is known as the "suspension calendar." This calendar is normally reserved for non-controversial bills. As such, any bill being passed under the suspension calendar requires a two-thirds majority of those voting.

In this case, the pro-gun position prevailed by a mere two votes -- meaning S. 22 is far from being non-controversial.

Although suspension bills are not normally amended, one change was allowed in a secret backroom deal between a few members.

The amendment, offered by Rep. Jason Altmire (D-PA), was intended to alleviate the concerns of gun owners.

The Altmire amendment sought to protect hunting and recreational shooting on federal land, but those steps are completely inadequate to address the concerns of millions of gun owners.

The Second Amendment protects, as the Supreme Court affirmed in D.C. v. Heller, an individual right to keep and bear arms. That right was never intended to protect only the shooting sports.

Under current regulations, firearms possessed for the sole purpose of self-defense on land controlled by the National Park Service is prohibited unless the person holds a concealed carry permit.

While millions of law-biding Americans hold CCW permits, many more do not. It is these citizens' rights that are going unprotected.

NPS land covers the gamut from busy thoroughfares to remote wilderness areas. These gun free zones are dangerous, in addition to creating a patchwork of inconsistent regulations between federal and state land.

Although we won today, unfortunately the battle is not over....
Read the rest. http://gunowners.org/a031109htm.htm

Source: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/bl...cpg=1#comments

Antaletriangle 03-17-2009 07:09 PM

Re: Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
http://www.georgia-arms.com/

Attention!!



Due to new government regulations concerning the purchasing of surplus brass, we are removing sales of all 223 and all 308 until further notice. Below is a copy of the email we received from Government Liquidations.



"Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government. "



This is a huge waste of taxpayer's money. The value of these products is reduced by 80% by going from a recycled product to a scrap product.

CALL YOUR CONGRESSMAN!!!!!!!!!

http://georgia-arms.com/index.aspx

peaceandlove 03-20-2009 07:48 AM

Legislation to end access to handgun permits advances in House and Senate
 
Legislation to end access to handgun permits advances in House and Senate

By Richard Locker, Memphis Commercial Appeal
Wednesday, March 18, 2009

NASHVILLE -- Bills to close public records on Tennessee handgun-carry permits inched closer to approval Wednesday after the bills' supporters tried but failed to close statistical data on the permits, too.

Rep. Eddie Bass, D-Pulaski, House sponsor of the confidentiality bill, said he saw no benefit to the public release of statistical reports because it "could be used against" the permit program.

An annual report by the state Department of Safety to the state legislature shows 624 permits were revoked or suspended in 2007 due to felony convictions, arrests and court orders of protection (usually sought by victims of domestic abuse). The report also shows that 605 permit applications were denied in 2007, while 48,991 were issued, pushing the total of carry permits to about 220,000 statewide.

The bill that would close all public access to information identifying gun-carry licensees, including those charged with or convicted of gun crimes, advanced in House and Senate committees Wednesday, but with differences that must be resolved before it can become law.

Article continues: http://www.commercialappeal.com/news...ndgun-permits/

peaceandlove 03-24-2009 08:45 AM

Do not under any circumstances give up your guns
 
A message to citizens of the US, heed the warning from Australia and the UK:
Do not under any circumstances give up your guns.


Blog at: http://www.chycho.com/?q=node/2231

Excerpt:

“Remember, the first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens”, which is exactly what Obama’s proposed gun ban will do. Gun bans will impact your “freedoms under search and seizure, due process, confiscated property, states’ rights, free speech, right to assemble and more, in addition to the Second Amendment.” The current proposed gun-ban-list includes but is not limited to:

Rifles (or copies or duplicates): M1 Carbine, Sturm Ruger Mini-14, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite 15, AR-10, Thompson 1927, Thompson M1; AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR; Olympic Arms PCR; AR70, Calico Liberty, Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU, Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC, Hi-Point20Carbine, HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1, Thompson 1927 Commando, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle; Saiga, SAR-8, SAR-4800, SKS with detachable magazine, SLG 95, SLR 95 or 96, Steyr AU, Tavor, Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle ( Galatz ). Pistols (or copies or duplicates): Calico M-110, MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3, Olympic Arms OA, TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10, Uzi. Shotguns (or copies or duplicates): Armscor 30 BG, SPAS 12 or LAW 12, Striker 12, Streetsweeper. Catch-all category (for anything missed or new designs): A semiautomatic rifle that accepts a detachable magazine and has: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a pistol grip (which includes ANYTHING that can serve as a grip, see below), (iv) a forward grip; or a barrel shroud. Any semiautomatic rifle with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds (except tubular magazine .22 rim fire rifles). A semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine, and has: (i) a second pistol grip, (ii) a threaded barrel, (iii) a barrel shroud or (iv) can accept a detachable magazine outside of the pistol grip, and (v) a semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds. A semiautomatic shotgun with: (i) a folding or telescoping stock, (ii) a pistol grip (see definition below), (iii) the ability to accept a detachable magazine or a fixed magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds, and (iv) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Frames or receivers for the above are included, along with conversion kits. Attorney General gets carte blanche to ban guns at will: Under the proposal, the U.S. Attorney General can add any “semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General.”

Above link to blog found at: http://solari.com/blog/ Catherine Austin Fitts site.



NRA: To See Where Gun Licensing Leads, Look To England

Video (10:40): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkS2B...layer_embedded



Tom Gersham's Gun Talk Radio Show
Listen to Show, Articles, Photos

Site: http://www.guntalk.com/site.php



Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
The Washington Times | March 17 2009

After the September 11 attacks, commercial airline pilots were allowed to carry guns if they completed a federal-safety program. No longer would unarmed pilots be defenseless as remorseless hijackers seized control of aircraft and rammed them into buildings.

Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology.

The Obama administration this past week diverted some $2 million from the pilot training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots.

Link to article says Page Not Found: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...rogram-that-l/



Ok, here is a website that has pasted the article (I think this is all) to their page.

After the September 11 attacks, commercial airline pilots were allowed to carry guns if they completed a federal-safety program. No longer would unarmed pilots be defenseless as remorseless hijackers seized control of aircraft and rammed them into buildings.
Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology.

The Obama administration this past week diverted some $2 million from the pilot training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots.

This looks like completely unnecessary harassment of the pilots. The 12,000 Federal Flight Deck Officers, the pilots who have been approved to carry guns, are reported to have the best behavior of any federal law enforcement agency. There are no cases where any of them has improperly brandished or used a gun. There are just a few cases where officers have improperly used their IDs.

Fewer than one percent of the officers have any administrative actions brought against them and, we are told, virtually all of those cases “are trumped up.”...

Since Mr. Obama's election, pilots have told us that the approval process for letting pilots carry guns on planes slowed significantly. Last week the problem went from bad to worse. Federal Flight Deck Officers - the pilots who have been approved to carry guns - indicate that the approval process has stalled out.

Pilots cannot openly speak about the changing policies for fear of retaliation from the Transportation Security Administration. Pilots who act in any way that causes a “loss of confidence” in the armed pilot program risk criminal prosecution as well as their removal from the program. Despite these threats, pilots in the Federal Flight Deck Officers program have raised real concerns in multiple interviews.

Arming pilots after Sept. 11 was nothing new. Until the early 1960s, American commercial passenger pilots on any flight carrying U.S. mail were required to carry handguns. Indeed, U.S. pilots were still allowed to carry guns until as recently as 1987. There are no records that any of these pilots (either military or commercial) ever causing any significant problems.

Screening of airplane passengers is hardly perfect. While armed marshals are helpful, the program covers less than 3 percent of the flights out of Washington D.C.'s three airports and even fewer across the country. Sky marshals are costly and quit more often than other law-enforcement officers.

Armed pilots are a cost-effective backup layer of security. Terrorists can only enter the cockpit through one narrow entrance, and armed pilots have some time to prepare themselves as hijackers penetrate the strengthened cockpit doors. With pilots, we have people who are willing to take on the burden of protecting the planes for free. About 70 percent of the pilots at major American carriers have military backgrounds.

Frankly, as a matter of pure politics, we cannot understand what the administration is thinking. Nearly 40 House Democrats are in districts were the NRA is more popular than House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. We can't find any independent poll in which the public is demanding that pilots disarm. Why does this move make sense?

Only anti-gun extremists and terrorist recruits are worried about armed pilots. So why is the Obama administration catering to this tiny lobby at the expense of public safety?

Good question!

Website that posted information: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/025312.php



My goodness, at THE GLENN BECK 912 Project there are over 427 comments regarding this topic.

Link: http://theglennbeck912project.com/20...ts-carry-guns/

peaceandlove 03-24-2009 05:09 PM

Gun Control Debate Hangs Over U.S.-Mexico Violence
 
Gun Control Debate Hangs Over U.S.-Mexico Violence

Mar 24 07:06 AM US/Eastern
By SUZANNE GAMBOA
Associated Press Writer

For his part, Obama has signaled a willingness to tighten restrictions on guns, calling the flow of drug money and guns "a two-way situation." Yet 65 Democrats said in a letter to Holder that they would oppose any attempt by the administration to revive a ban on military-style weapons.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Members of Congress may be alarmed by the surge in Mexican drug violence and its potential to spill across the border, but they grow silent when the talk turns to gun control as a solution.
With related kidnappings and killings occurring in the U.S., the Obama administration is likely to shift dozens of enforcement agents and millions of dollars to the fight against Mexican drug cartels.

Yet when Attorney General Eric Holder suggested reinstituting a U.S. ban on the sale of certain semiautomatic weapons, many lawmakers balked. The 1994 ban expired after 10 years.

"The Second Amendment Task Force opposes the discussed ban and will fight any attempts that infringe on our Second Amendment rights," said Rep. Paul Broun, R-Ga., a chairman of the group. Six Democrats and six Republicans co-signed his statement.

Article continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3617

peaceandlove 03-24-2009 05:13 PM

White House Unveils Anti-Cartel Effort for Border
 
White House Unveils Anti-Cartel Effort for Border

By DEVLIN BARRETT and EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writers – 11 mins ago 3/24/2009

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WASHINGTON – The Obama administration plans to send more agents and equipment to the southwestern border to fight Mexican drug cartels and keep violence from spilling over into the United States.

Speaking at the White House Tuesday, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said officials were still considering whether to deploy the National Guard to the border. She plans to meet with the governor of Texas to discuss the matter.

Deputy Attorney General David Ogden pledged "to destroy these criminal organizations" through a united effort on both sides of the border.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton will travel to Mexico Wednesday for the start of several weeks of high-level meetings between the two countries on the drug violence issue.

Article continues (See Link for Videos): http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090324/...order_violence

Dantheman62 03-24-2009 05:14 PM

Re: Gun Control Debate Hangs Over U.S.-Mexico Violence
 
oops, I own a couple of those on the list at the top post, oh well they can't have them, and if they come to get them they will never find them! LOL

BROOK 03-24-2009 05:17 PM

Re: Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
You gonna hide them with the tiger :mfr_lol:

peaceandlove 03-24-2009 11:45 PM

Obama Wants to Disarm U.S. Pilots
 
Finally an article that is actually accessible on the web.
Found at: http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html G. Edward Griffins' site.


Obama Wants to Disarm U.S. Pilots

Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:19 PM

By: David A. Patten

Last part of article:

Paul Valone, a Second Amendment advocate who directs Grass Roots North Carolina (GRNC.org), is calling for citizens to contract their congressional representatives to protest the administration’s anti-gun priorities.

Pilots are already required to pay for their own room and board during training, and use paid leave for the time they’re off the job. Every six months, the program requires them to be requalified for firearm use.

Valone writes on Examiner.com: “While bureaucrats . . . may have attempted to hamstring the program with burdensome requirements, training instructors and the Federal Air Marshals who now oversee the program routinely thank the FFDOs for their professionalism and dedication in protecting the nation’s air commerce against terrorism.”

Valone says the Obama administration is “dismantling yet another layer of defense against terrorism and defying the will of the American people.”

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Since coming to power, the Obama administration has undertaken a series of moves that signal a major de-emphasis of programs enacted to keep America’s homeland safe from terrorist attack:

Obama’s choice for U.S. Attorney General, Eric Holder, labeled enhanced interrogation techniques as outright “torture” during his Senate confirmation hearings.

Obama banned waterboarding and ordered CIA interrogators to abide by U.S. Army Field Manual regulations.

He selected Clinton-era political operative Leon Panetta to serve as his CIA director. Panetta’s qualifications to run the agency have been questioned widely.

Obama announced that he would shut down the Guantanamo Bay detention facility in Cuba within one year, raising the prospect of hardened terrorists entering the U.S. criminal justice system, or worse, being released to rejoin al-Qaida.

He indicated the U.S. defense budget would be sharply reduced.

He has sent a letter to Russian leaders, apparently offering to back off on the ballistic missile defense system that would protect Europe from Iran and North Korea.
These and other Obama administration moves recently prompted former vice president Dick Cheney to charge that Obama is returning to the Clinton-era view of terrorism as a law enforcement issue.

"Now he's made some choices that in my mind raise the risk to the American people of another attack," Cheney said of Obama on CNN's "State of the Union" program.

The Washington Times points out that about 70 percent of airline pilots have military backgrounds. With airport screening less than 100 percent effective, it states, armed pilots provide a second layer of defense.

“Only anti-gun extremists and terrorist recruits are worried about armed pilots,” the newspaper editorial says.

Source: http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/oba...mo_code=7C69-1

peaceandlove 03-27-2009 01:42 AM

Clinton Targets Assault Weapons
 
Clinton Targets Assault Weapons

Page last updated at 17:20 GMT, Thursday, 26 March 2009

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is pledging further effort to help Mexico in its anti-drugs campaign.

Mrs Clinton said the use of military-style assault weapons was a particular concern, and she would discuss reimposing a ban on their sale.

A previous US decision to lift a ban on such sales had been a mistake, she told the NBC television network.

Earlier on her visit she admitted that America's appetite for drugs was helping to fuel the violence.

Some 8,000 people have died in drug-related violence in Mexico over the past two years.

'Insatiable'

Mrs Clinton said assault weapons did not belong on anyone's street.

Article continues and Video: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=3675

peaceandlove 03-28-2009 07:11 PM

All Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009
 
(I understand this is a Sorcha Faal article so read into it what you want.)

All Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009

Published on Mar. 27, 2009, 7:26 PM by Copperhead

All Private Guns Will Be Confiscated By September 2009, US Tells Russia

By: Sorcha Faal
source: http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1216.htm THIS IS WHAT I GOT WHEN I CLICKED ON LINK: The link you are trying to visit has been disabled.

SEE LINK BELOW FOR COMPLETE ARTICLE POSTED AT RESTORE THE REPUBLIC

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The CIA and MI5 are both watching the economic situation for signs of unrest and political instability. As the Washington Post reports, the CIA has added an economic situation report to its threat assessment for the White House. A further sign that the United States government is anticipating widespread unrest comes with the domestic stationing of the 1st Brigade Combat Team of the 3rd Infantry Division.The Army Times reports,

"They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack."

Canadian military forces have been given a nearly identical domestic mission in a synchronized move with the United States.Canada's National Post reports that,

"The Canadian military has embarked on a wide-ranging plan to turn its reserve soldiers into focused units trained and equipped to respond to a nightmarish array of domestic threats, including terrorist "dirty bomb" attacks, biological agent containment, Arctic catastrophes and natural disasters.”

Kremlin reports on the extraordinary meeting held today between President Medvedev and former United States Secretaries of State Henry Kissinger (under Nixon), James Baker (under Bush Sr.), Charles Shultz (under Regan), former United States Defense Secretary William Perry (under Clinton), and former US Senator and top defense expert Sam Nunn, are stating that the Americans are acknowledging for the first time their acceptance of a New Global Order in which they seek to partner with natural resource rich Russia and the oil rich Nations of the Middle East in order to ensure their survival into the 21st Century.

Leading the United States to the shocking conclusion that their very survival is at risk has been the evaporation of 45 percent of the World’s wealth which has caused a rapid plunge in Global manufacturing leading to a 49 percent collapse in US trade exports which the International Monetary Fund is reported has caused the World’s economy to shrink for the first time in 60 years and has lead Canada’s Central Bank chief David Dodge to state the World is “facing a long and deep recession that will fundamentally alter the nature of capitalism”.

Though Prime Minister Putin has warned that “resorting to a printing press would be unwise and extremely dangerous”, the already bankrupt United States, whose staggering debt is four times higher than their entire National income, has allowed its Federal Reserve Bank Chairman Ben “Throw Money Out of Helicopters” Bernanke to ‘create out of thin air’ a further $1.2 Trillion to stabilize the American economy, but which in turn has led to the collapse of the US Dollar leading the United Nations to recommend next week that the World “ditch the dollar as its reserve currency in favor of a shared basket of currencies”.

Article continues: http://www.restoretherepublic.net/ar...rticle_id=1431

peaceandlove 04-02-2009 04:30 AM

Re: Do not under any circumstances give up your guns
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peaceandlove (Post 122727)
Obama secretly ends program that let pilots carry guns
The Washington Times | March 17 2009

After the September 11 attacks, commercial airline pilots were allowed to carry guns if they completed a federal-safety program. No longer would unarmed pilots be defenseless as remorseless hijackers seized control of aircraft and rammed them into buildings.

Now President Obama is quietly ending the federal firearms program, risking public safety on airlines in the name of an anti-gun ideology.

The Obama administration this past week diverted some $2 million from the pilot training program to hire more supervisory staff, who will engage in field inspections of pilots.

Link to article says Page Not Found: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...rogram-that-l/

Originally this article was found at http:www.realityzone.com/currentperiod G. Edward Griffins' site.

Checking today the following is posted:

Correction: Last week we linked to a Washington Times editorial that claimed the Obama Admin. was preparing to deny commercial pilots the right to have guns in their cockpits. This story was not true, and the Times has removed the editorial.
FactCheck 2009 Mar 25


With a link to this site:
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec..._dropping.html

peaceandlove 04-30-2009 06:43 AM

Obama Positioning For Backdoor Gun Control
 
Obama Positioning For Backdoor Gun Control

By Chuck Baldwin
Published 04/29/09

On his recent trip to Central America, President Barack Obama did more than cozy up to Marxist dictators; he also signed onto an international treaty that could, in effect, be used as backdoor gun control. It appears that Obama wants to use international treaties to do what congressional legislation is not able to do: further restrict the right of the American people to keep and bear arms.

Obama is using the oft-disproved contention that "90% of the guns recovered in Mexico come from the United States" as the stated basis of his support for the international treaty he is promoting. The treaty is formally known as the Inter-American Convention Against the Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms, Ammunition, Explosives and Other Related Materials (CIFTA) treaty. The Bill Clinton administration signed the treaty back in 1997, but the U.S. Senate has never ratified the treaty. Obama intends to change that.

To date, 33 nations in the western hemisphere have signed the treaty. The U.S. is one of four nations that have yet to ratify it. According to one senior Obama administration official, passing the treaty is a "high priority" for the President.

Article continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=61

peaceandlove 04-30-2009 07:38 AM

Shortages of ammo and gun accessories cropping up nationwide
 
Shortages of ammo and gun accessories cropping up nationwide

April 20, 2009

By Anna M. Tinsley | The Fort Worth Star-Telegram

Most days are like Christmas for Glen Furtardo.

When he opens boxes sent to the Winchester Gallery gun store in east Fort Worth, he finds out what ammunition he'll have to stock his shelves with that day as demand for weapons and ammo soars. Reports of heavy sales at gun stores began around the time of Barack Obama's election as president, and months later, dealers are facing ammo shortages nationwide.

"People are panicking and buying," said Furtardo, assistant manager. "The crime rate is high, and they are flat scared of what is going to happen in the next few years with the economy and the country. Manufacturers weren't prepared for this."

Retailers and consumers say there may be several reasons gun stores are running out of ammunition – and the cost of what is available is rising.

There's a widespread expectation that Obama's administration will follow through on a campaign promise to reimpose an assault weapons ban. Some people fear that taxes on ammunition, guns and other firearms-related materials might drastically increase, as they have on cigarettes.

Administration officials and Democratic leaders in Congress began saying this month that while they hope to eventually change gun control policies, they will not push the assault weapons ban for now because they know how divisive that debate would be and they don't want to distract from other goals.

To read the complete article, visit: www.star-telegram.com

Source: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/66486.html

Article linked at G. Edward Griffin's site: http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

peaceandlove 04-30-2009 07:44 AM

Rush to carry guns in open is not likely
 
Rush to carry guns in open is not likely
But at least one group plans armed picnics in parks

By Stacy Forster, Tom Held and Linda Spice of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: Apr. 21, 2009

Madison gun owner Auric Gold said he often carries a handgun in a holster while walking in his east side neighborhood, a right that attorney general J.B. Van Hollen affirmed in a memorandum to prosecutors on Monday.

Van Hollen said it's legal to openly carry a gun on the street in Wisconsin and advised prosecutors that merely having a gun doesn't, by itself, warrant a disorderly conduct charge.

The advisory gives those who choose to carry guns in public more confidence in doing so but isn't likely to spark a rush to arms, said Gold, who works with OpenCarry.org, a gun rights advocacy group based in Virginia.

"Most of those inclined to do it already knew it was legal," said Gold, a 54-year-old photographer. "Those that choose to do so should be able to do so without interference."

Article continues: http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepo.../43347632.html

Article sourced at: http://solari.com/blog/

peaceandlove 05-04-2009 08:14 AM

Montana Governor Signs New Gun Law
 
Still looking for a date for this.

Montana Governor Signs New Gun Law

Executive Summary – The USA state of Montana has signed into power a revolutionary gun law. I mean REVOLUTIONARY. The State of Montana has defied the federal government and their gun laws. This will prompt a showdown between the federal government and the State of Montana. The federal government fears citizens owning guns. They try to curtail what types of guns they can own. The gun control laws all have one common goal – confiscation of privately owned firearms.

Montana has gone beyond drawing a line in the sand. They have challenged the Federal Government. The fed now either takes them on and risks them saying the federal agents have no right to violate their state gun laws and arrest the federal agents that try to enforce the federal firearms acts. This will be a world-class event to watch. Montana could go to voting for secession from the union, which is really throwing the gauntlet in Obamas face. If the federal government does nothing they lose face. Gotta love it.

Continues: http://www.panamalaw.org/montana_gov...w_gun_law.html

peaceandlove 05-04-2009 08:17 AM

Obama Supports Treaty Outlawing Gun Possession
 
Obama Supports Treaty Outlawing Gun Possession

Infowars
May 3, 2009

As Lou Dobbs notes here, Obama is in favor of the ratifying CIFTA, the Inter-American Convention Against Illicit Manufacturing of and Trafficking in Firearms. On its face, the treaty sounds reasonable because it would “prevent, combat, and eradicate the illicit manufacturing of and trafficking in firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials” (emphasis added). However, upon reading the bill we discover the following:
Stressing the need, in peace processes and post-conflict situations, to achieve effective control of firearms, ammunition, explosives, and other related materials in order to prevent their entry into the illicit market.
Continues: http://www.infowars.com/obama-suppor...un-possession/

Unified Serenity 05-04-2009 11:14 AM

Re: Anti-Gun Land Bill On The Move
 
This literally makes me ill. The peace and love crowd honestly believes if we were to pass laws banning guns that all would be ok because we can meditate in the age of love and light without a fight.

Yes, this is all energetics, but the only reason we have the little freedoms we do have in Amerika is the fact that we neandrathal hicks believe it is our right to keep and bear arms as it is written in our constitution. It's an inalienable right and one that cannot be removed by a law.

Let me tell you something.

IN EVERY COUNTRY THAT ONCE HAD FREEDOM, THE FIRST THING A TOTALITARIAN REGIME DID IS REGISTER FIREARMS!

Then after they registered them, they confiscated them! Then after they confiscated them, they killed anyone who disagreed with them. Then after they killed anyone who disagreed with them, it took a world war to free them. The only reason people have the right to demonstrate and complain in this country is because of the people who are willing to fight and die for their rights defending the constitition.

YES, I CONFESS IT NOW, I AM A NEANDRATHAL WHO WILL NEVER WILLINGLY GIVE UP MY RIGHTS.

Now, if you want to help bring about the complete take over of America before we can meditate this love and light utopia in, by all means support the banning of evil firearms.

peaceandlove 05-05-2009 02:13 PM

Utah Legislators Eye Montana Gun Law
 
Utah Legislators Eye Montana Gun Law

May 4th, 2009 @ 8:05am

By Andrew Adams

SALT LAKE CITY -- Utah lawmakers are considering following Montana's lead and claiming state's rights in the war over gun control.

The Montana Legislature passed and its governor signed into law a measure making guns that are made and kept within state boundaries exempt from federal regulations. That means they're exempt from things like background checks, licensing and registration.

Several Utah lawmakers want to do the same thing here. They say President Barack Obama and the Congress are anti-gun and will infringe on states' rights.

Rep. Carl Wimmer, R-Herriman, tells the Salt Lake Tribune he or another Utah lawmaker will introduce a similar measure next year.

Rep. Ken Sumsion, R-American Fork, told the Tribune he wishes he'd thought of it and would support such a measure "in a heartbeat."

But some legislators, like Rep. Rebecca Chavez-Houck, D-Salt Lake City, have reservations. They say Montana's law is expected to face legal challenges and they don't want the same thing to happen in Utah.

Source: http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=6367553


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