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New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 08:10 PM

Worship Is Not Necessary
 
Love, Light & Spirit, Truth, Consciousness & Reality, are all given enormously to the soul that opens to them, not in worship, but in surrender and understanding.

The Goddess worships us!

This could be the unseen spiritual battle between "good and evil" divine entities.

The Goddess worships her creation, whilst the mean old tyrant God condemns it and orders it around.

Maybe it's just an ordinary spat between mom and dad??? :original:

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 08:18 PM

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It's also possible that all the religions positing a male god are written by males, and they just assume God is a male, and make a male character out of him.

That's my personal belief. Men perceive themselves powerful, especially over women, and so they believe God is like them.

But I know for a fact that the all powerful omniscient God is a Goddess.

And I know She worships us, as far as that word is understood to mean an unbridled outpouring of pure adoration and love.

Stardustaquarion 12-16-2009 08:18 PM

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Yeah, the all oneness does not want workship only experience! It is great!

Love

371 12-16-2009 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 202173)

The Goddess worships us!

This could be the unseen spiritual battle between "good and evil" divine entities.

The Goddess worships her creation, whilst the mean old tyrant God condemns it and orders it around.

Why would a Goddes worship her creation? Do you WORSHIP your children? Or art or jewelery whatever you do?

And why do you think female=good, male=evil?

Isn't that what you said you disliked about Man's religion (Christian belief systems); the desire to paint everything black and white, good and evil?

RedeZra 12-16-2009 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 202185)
But I know for a fact that the all powerful omniscient God is a Goddess.

And I know She worships us, as far as that word is understood to mean an unbridled outpouring of pure adoration and love.


yes like a mother who adores her children

the trinity is the mother father child

and it is One

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 371 (Post 202195)
Why would a Goddes worship her creation? Do you WORSHIP your children? Or art or jewelery whatever you do?

And why do you think female=good, male=evil?

Isn't that what you said you disliked about Man's religion (Christian belief systems); the desire to paint everything black and white, good and evil?

It's just the way it is. The outpouring cannot be refracted back to the source.

It's a one way street. You can't give anything to the real God, who is a Goddess.

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stardustaquarion (Post 202187)
Yeah, the all oneness does not want workship only experience! It is great!

Love

It's a one way street from Her. :original:

RedeZra 12-16-2009 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 202207)
You can give anything to the real God, who is a Goddess.


if you want it to be Goddess fine

if you want it to be God fine too


but please do not confuse it with what is real and not

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RedeZra (Post 202217)
if you want it to be Goddess fine

She spoke to me and orchestrated millennial miraculous "coincidences" on my behalf, so to speak, to save me.

So, it's She. :original:

Whatever you want it to be, don't confuse it with what it is, SHE. :tongue2:

371 12-16-2009 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 202207)
It's just the way it is. The outpouring cannot be refracted back to the source.

It's a one way street. You can't give anything to the real God, who is a Goddess.


Ok, so you say God can't feel our love? Fine. But what do parent want to do to bratty, ungrateful kids? Give them a little smack with the RIGHT HAND. Maybe they don't or won't ever do it, but if they get really out of line it might come to it as last resort.

It appears, that we have been spared Fathers wrath (for now) because Mother has cut off our connection with HER- thus cutting our connection to God (HIM).

Look at the world today, the crazy weather patterns and natural disasters... do you really think that is Mother (NATURE) showing her LOVE for us her children???

I think it's like hearing mom in the other room, can't see her but you can tell she's ****** as hell...

RedeZra 12-16-2009 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 202223)
Whatever you want it to be, don't confuse it with what it is, SHE. :tongue2:

lol I know my mother's Mother

and I know She has a Husband

and many Children


the Light is above every Universal Laws

also the Law of Gender


371 12-16-2009 09:06 PM

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But if you really want to get to the root of all this male/female stuff...

GOD is BOTH. Creation/Destruction

Depends on what he's doing. What mode He/She/IT is in. Existence is balance to a degree.

WE are out of balance, and I suspect something's coming to make it right.

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 371 (Post 202249)
But if you really want to get to the root of all this male/female stuff...

Love is feminine.

It pretty much makes me sick when guys say they love me.

No thanks. :original:

371 12-16-2009 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 202258)
Love is feminine.

It pretty much makes me sick when guys say they love me.

No thanks. :original:

:lol3:

Look at it this way, that aspect is feminine. Just ONE aspect of the whole that is everything, that is GOD.

Gotta see the forest for the trees... and not just the pretty ones.

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 371 (Post 202265)
Haha.

Look at it this way, that aspect is feminine. Just ONE aspect of the whole that is everything, that is GOD.

Gotta see the forest for the trees... and not just the pretty ones.

I wouldn't ever in a BILLION years just SAY that God is a Goddess, based on information or THINKING.

SHE spoke to me. So it's over.

Why would God speak to a person in a woman''s voice???? If God is neither male nor female???

Especially since I had JUST had a DEEP conversation about Ma'at of Egypt, with a SCHOLAR, pertaining to the television show Lost, in which I was prophetic in predetermining the plot, etc.

And this was amidst an epic millennial saga in which I was a messianic spiritual action hero surrounded by MIRACLES...

So, at least to me, until a male God SPEAKS to me or shows his face, God is a SHE and Egypt was basically correct in believing or KNOWING that Ma'at rules everything. :trumpet:

371 12-16-2009 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 202274)
Why would God speak to a person in a woman''s voice???? If God is neither male nor female???

Maybe because if it was a dudes voice, and he said he loved you... you might freak out :naughty:

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Especially since I had JUST had a DEEP conversation about Ma'at of Egypt, with a SCHOLAR, pertaining to the television show Lost, in which I was prophetic in predetermining the plot, etc.

And this was amidst an epic millennial saga in which I was a messianic spiritual action hero surrounded by MIRACLES...
wtf??!?

That's interesting. Sounds wild, but I haven't lived your life so I cant comment beyond that (nor were you asking me to, I know).

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So, at least to me, until a male God SPEAKS to me or shows his face, God is a SHE and Egypt was basically correct in believing or KNOWING that Ma'at rules everything. :trumpet:
So you'll believe it when you see/hear it. And if that is the case, God will reveal himself to YOU- because you are special?

orthodoxymoron 12-16-2009 09:35 PM

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The first and last commandment should be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'. No one should worship anyone or anything.

:original:Namaste:original:

serenade 12-16-2009 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 202274)
I wouldn't ever in a BILLION years just SAY that God is a Goddess, based on information or THINKING.

SHE spoke to me. So it's over.

Why would God speak to a person in a woman''s voice???? If God is neither male nor female???

Especially since I had JUST had a DEEP conversation about Ma'at of Egypt, with a SCHOLAR, pertaining to the television show Lost, in which I was prophetic in predetermining the plot, etc.

And this was amidst an epic millennial saga in which I was a messianic spiritual action hero surrounded by MIRACLES...

So, at least to me, until a male God SPEAKS to me or shows his face, God is a SHE and Egypt was basically correct in believing or KNOWING that Ma'at rules everything. :trumpet:


Maybe you heard a female voice because you wanted it to be a female voice at some level?

The soul goes beyond gender, energy isn't masculine or feminine.
Well, that's my idea at least.

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 371 (Post 202279)
wtf??!?

That's interesting. Sounds wild, but I haven't lived your life so I cant comment beyond that (nor were you asking me to, I know).

It's weird, like major impossible, Celestine Prophecy type stuff, but all the coincidences are mega millennial explosions and WAY too impossible to be anything other than divine.

She spoke to me five years into me being a literal black hole. I declared a mission, blah blah, but anyway, the story proves all religions false. :original:

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Originally Posted by 371 (Post 202279)
So you'll believe it when you see/hear it. And if that is the case, God will reveal himself to YOU- because you are special?

She already did. Because, yeah, I am special. :naughty:

RedeZra 12-16-2009 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 202274)
Why would God speak to a person in a woman''s voice???? If God is neither male nor female???


if God is neither male nor female

then why not in the voice of a woman


besides not all voices within are Divine

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by serenade (Post 202284)
Maybe you heard a female voice because you wanted it to be a female voice at some level?

The soul goes beyond gender, energy isn't masculine or feminine.
Well, that's my idea at least.

It was a woman's voice as sure as the world.

And I didn't want it at all, it was just there, out of nowhere.

"I'm very angry, ...cooking" is what She said.

There is one word I missed, right before cooking, it just didn't quite go into my mind cleanly.

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 09:46 PM

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if God is neither male nor female

then why not in the voice of a woman

I was on a tirade against Christianity and the Bible God, when I started my mission.

So, to me it proves that the Bible God isn't God, just like I knew in my heart.

Egyptian Ma'at, as far as I know from the signs, is the real boss. :original:

14 Chakras 12-16-2009 09:52 PM

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While it is true that it is time for the return of the Divine Mother, it is not true that the Mother opposes the Father.

Truly, if a "Goddess" claims this, they are fallen.

Mother is Mater ~ Magnetism ~ Omega ~ Loving Nurturance
Father is Spiritual ~ Electricity ~ Alpha ~ Creative Intelligence

Without one or the other, creation would cease to exist. Their balanced union is our source.

Each of us should seek to balance both the Father / Alpha and Mother / Omega within our beings.

Balance is the key.

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 14 Chakras (Post 202306)
While it is true that it is time for the return of the Divine Mother, it is not true that the Mother opposes the Father.

Truly, if a "Goddess" claims this, they are fallen.

Mother is Mater ~ Magnetism ~ Omega ~ Loving Nurturance
Father is Spiritual ~ Electricity ~ Alpha ~ Creative Intelligence

This may be true, but the Goddes never said She opposed the father, I just thought maybe it was after all, a similar situation as to how moms and dads treat kids differently.

But one thing that isn't true, that you said, is that Jesus was special, a "Christ".

It's not true. And the Bible God is not God.

I would dare say that the ideas about God found in the Bible and subsequently the Quaran are poison.

Israel is literally the appendix of the world.

371 12-16-2009 10:08 PM

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But one thing that isn't true, that you said, is that Jesus was special

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 202288)
Because, yeah, I am special.

Am I correct in assuming you think YOU are ABOVE Jesus?

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 371 (Post 202324)
Am I correct in assuming you think YOU are ABOVE Jesus?

I know for a fact that Jesus is a made up story, as far being a great teacher, born of a virgin, sacrifice for mankind.

371 12-16-2009 10:15 PM

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Yes or No?

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 371 (Post 202330)
Yes or No?

How can you be above or below or anti something that doesn't exist?

371 12-16-2009 10:23 PM

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Answer the question. IF you're so sure of yourself.

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 371 (Post 202337)
Answer the question. IF you're so sure of yourself.

There is an assumption in the question, so you have to say, ASSUMING Jesus was born of a virgin and died on the cross for our sins, are you above Jesus?

THEN, I would say, no.

But he didn't. So your question is irrelevant. :original:

In the sense of being above or below, anything, I am above nothing and nobody.

I was put lower than any person has ever been put on this earth, remaining alive. I was put inside a black hole, I was a black hole, literally.

And I am rising again.

It's messianic in that my fall and rise was based on a sacrifice, and faith, and DIVINE intervention, miracles, etc.

There is a New Revelation and there will be a New Age and I am the New Age Messiah.

My sacrifice was accepted by the Goddess. :original:

This is a little bit about the Goddess, from a Wicca website...

http://www.wicca-spirituality.com/goddess-symbols.html

The apple has long been associated with the worship of the Goddess.

Note the story of Eve and the Serpent (one of the eternal Goddess symbols). When Eve ate the apple, she was taking in Divine wisdom - the knowledge that she is Divine. Thus she would become immortal.

The apple seems to have always been associated with death and eternal life.

Walker writes,

"Graves [in Greek Myths, vol. 2] points out that the whole story of Eve, Adam, and the serpent in the tree was deliberately misinterpreted from icons showing the Great Goddess offering life to her worshipper, in the form of an apple, with the tree and its serpent [the sacred guardian] in the background." (Barbara Walker, The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets, p 49.)

Naturally a jealous God - who wants to be the only god - would outlaw such knowledge of one's divinity! But since it is Truth, He couldn't keep it hidden forever. So when it came out, He decided to keep us so busy with survival and pain that we wouldn't have time to notice our divinity.

It worked pretty well!

Luckily the Goddess is more compassionate, and not threatened by others being empowered. She gave us plenty of hints along the way, to remember.

One of these is the apple. Cut in half, its seed bed - the most potent part of the fruit - reveals the sacred 5-pointed star within the circle of apple skin.

This is the pentacle - the expression of One Divinity as all facets of the world.

371 12-16-2009 10:33 PM

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You're dancing around it.... if you're so sure of yourself, what do you have to worry about...

If you don't think he existed, then it is a YES is it not?

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 371 (Post 202352)
You're dancing around it.... if you're so sure of yourself, what do you have to worry about...

If you don't think he existed, then it is a YES is it not?

You're just baiting me. I am not dumb.

Paul never said a word that Jesus taught. Paul never even mentioned Jesus being a teacher. Paul never mentioned the virgin birth.

IF Jesus was a great teacher and had all these amazing things to say, Paul would have elaborated upon them.

IF Jesus was born of a virgin, Paul would have mentioned it. The idea of messiah as propounded by Christianity RELIES on Jesus being born of a virgin.

Jesus was a militant rebel, trying to force the kingdom of god, like so many in his day and age did, but the kingdom of god was just an independent Israeli state.

Paul made up a religion on the fly. Jesus' teachings are nothing special, and sometimes hideous.

It's the Emperor not wearing clothes things. So much of modern spiritual stuff is based on Jesus being someone special and Israel being God's chosen people. Neither premise is true, both are false.

371 12-16-2009 10:53 PM

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Ok........ got my answer, I think it should be pretty clear to everyone else too...

Thank you.

New Age Messiah 12-16-2009 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 14 Chakras (Post 202306)
Each of us should seek to balance both the Father / Alpha and Mother / Omega within our beings.

Balance is the key.

No person can will or make themselves to be anything better than what they are in essence.

Any groping to balance yourself or whatever is just ego energy.

Any dogma is just an ego attempt to control and manipulate.

RedeZra 12-17-2009 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 202369)
So much of modern spiritual stuff is based on Jesus being someone special and Israel being God's chosen people. Neither premise is true, both are false.


once upon a time

in a desert of decay

a righteous man

Abraham

found favor in the eyes of God


and as an apple does not fall far from the tree

Abraham was to be the father of a nation

a righteous nation

Israel

found favor in the eyes of God


time turns the pages into past

people do not look up to that they do not see


here is a New Covenant now

for all who believes in the message of the Messiah

and lives up to it

as best as they can

New Age Messiah 12-17-2009 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RedeZra (Post 203305)
once upon a time in a desert of decay a righteous man Abraham found favor in the eyes of God and as an apple does not fall far from the tree Abraham was to be the father of a nation a righteous nation
Israel found favor in the eyes of God time turns the pages into past people do not look up to that they do not see here is a New Covenant now for all who believes in the message of the Messiah and lives up to it as best as they can.

There was no fundamental message of the "messiah". If you're invited to a wedding, remember your oil, or burn in hell forever.

If you don't bear fruit, burn in hell forever.

If you're not ready in that hour, burn in hell forever.

If you're not on the narrow path, burn in hell forever.

If you try to make sense of this, and teach it, good luck. Everyone will hate you. :original:

RedeZra 12-17-2009 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 203335)
There was no fundamental message of the "messiah". If you're invited to a wedding, remember your oil, or burn in hell forever.

If you don't bear fruit, burn in hell forever.

If you're not ready in that hour, burn in hell forever.

If you're not on the narrow path, burn in hell forever.

If you try to make sense of this, and teach it, good luck. Everyone will hate you. :original:


seems to me your mind is bent on hell lol

me suspects you have not read the Gospel


well Im not trying to convince you

but I feel obliged to speak when me ears hear nonsense


Im working on that


in the meantime

please observe silence lol

New Age Messiah 12-17-2009 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RedeZra (Post 203344)
seems to me your mind is bent on hell lol

me suspects you have not read the Gospel

The part about almost everyone burning in hell forever??? :original:

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Originally Posted by RedeZra (Post 203344)
well Im not trying to convince you

but I feel obliged to speak when me ears hear nonsense

Then you should certainly wash yourself of Christianity. :original:

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Originally Posted by RedeZra (Post 203344)
in the meantime

please observe silence lol

I proved Christianity false. It's up to you whether you accept the fact. :original:

Since most people's ego identity relies on some religion being true, or whatever, they're pretty much hopeless to hear anything different.... :original:

RedeZra 12-17-2009 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by New Age Messiah (Post 203360)
I proved Christianity false. It's up to you whether you accept the fact. :original:

where did you prove that

what are your sources


voices in the head lol

who's voice


the Church has become a ship without a Captain

a victim of mutiny

sailing under false flag


still there are decent people

confessing to Christianity


for the Captain

is not lost at sea

Reader 12-17-2009 09:20 PM

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Move along people, Nothing to see here


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