A different look at G.W.Bush
 

I have realized that how much ever you delve into any situation, it puts forth more questions than answers. We have been thinking and hating George Bush but in the latest interview with Putin (Rense) he says that Bush by himself is a man of integrity but his courtiers are not. They badly advise him. They dont let him make the decisions. This has forced me to think about Bush from a different light. Some people trust Putin and we understand that this coming from his mouth has to be something meaningful. Well everybody would agree Putin isnt a fool. So lets talk about George Bush and why he might be innocent or for that matter a culprit.

Its not to brand him an innocent or a culprit that I have opened this thread, its only to get a better idea of the situation and the person everyone so loves to criticize, maybe he doesnt deserve it. So there is no harm looking at it from a different perspective.

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Ok, here goes:

1. he was (and is for life) a member of Skull and Bones, a secret elite society

2. when he was governor of Texas, he executed many people, and pardoned only one person. That one person was a serial killer and I think also a pedofile. Peculiar, to say the least.

3. He uses rhetoric reminicent of Nazi Germany ("you're either with us or you're with the terrorists") and right after 9/11 "let's never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of Sept. 11th"

4. His grandfather funded Hitler's regime

5. His father was the head of the CIA and gave the infamous speech about the "big idea" of the "New World Order"

In my opinion, he's not as stupid as he appears to be. I personally believe that he is no different than the rest of the neo-cons. Whether or not he's a puppet and being used doesn't in any way mean that he doesn't have a black heart. I mean, just watch his eyes when he talks. You can see the maliciousness.

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id have to agree with white wolf, i think george bush is a hell of alot smarter then he comes off as, i idiocy could possibly be a mask. I mean its not that hard for anyone to look stupid and make up some words, anyoine can do it. so i think he is "ACTING" stupid and "ACTING" as if everyone else runs the gove except for him, because it seemed to have worked. I dont here many people say "Gosh, that george bush is the worst president, i want him out of office he is a monster" as i hear people say now "The BUSH ADMINISTRATION, is horrible and we want them out" it seems, now, that people think he is not capable of his own work so they look at the others in his Admin. which could be exactly what he wanted......:lightsabre:

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The Bush administration (IMO) has caused much harm to this country and the world as a whole. He is clearly a puppet and has been controlled completely since the beginning- though not to say he isn't responsible for much of the things carried out through him and his office. And I definitely don't think he's a stupid as people make him out to be, I know I'd probably look just as dumb if people paid that much attention to what I do, and was under that kind of pressure. But let me make it clear- I am NO Bush fan by any stretch of the imagination.

That being said, I think he's probably not a bad guy as a person. He definitely seems like he'd be fun at a party!!

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And besides, why should we believe anything that Putin has to say?

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Why not? His opinion as a leader is just as valid as any other leaders.

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Uh huh...

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yea im not to worried about Putin, Its PALIN im worried about *shudders*:shocked:

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Do you somehow have a problem with him because of his nationality, or his country? Do you not like him as a person?

Why would you immediately dismiss him out of hand?

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3 letters...KGB

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Did he create the KGB?


I believe in the United States we have something similar.. two branches actually.. FBI and CIA..

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Yes we do, and I don't trust them either. Why would you defend an ex KGB officer? Nothing good ever came from that organization.

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I am not defending anyone. I am asking why you would dismiss him out of hand.

Many Vietnam vets did some pretty bad things that they were ordered to do. I wouldn't dismiss them out of hand.

This world is not black and white. There are nuances and shades of grey.

A spectrum if you will

Right----------------------iffy----------------------------Wrong


Where things lie on that spectrum is the key to finding balance.

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Uh huh

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Right.
Do you understand the words that I am typing?

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You've no argument.

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Also if you read Scott McClennan's book you will find a similar tale.According to Mr. McClennan, G.W.Bush really believed in what he was doing. It was sold to him on the premise of saving lives without properly judging the repercussions or blowback from the decisions that were made in haste as well as things that had been planned long before.

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Oh brother, thats rich. And you are trying to change my opinion because?

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Much like your uhhuhs and dismissive nature? Naturally. You will believe what you will believe, and I will believe what I believe.

My reasoning to consider his opinion valid is because of external factors including the memoirs of people in Bush's Administration. Your argument is based on him being a former 'kbg' operative (or at least that is the reasoning you've placed on the forum). I also do not dismiss people out of hand unless they've given me a reason to do so with their tone or abrasive nature with me personally.

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I could never change someoone's opinion. That lies within the person holding it. I am asking why would feel this way.

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Listen, obviously you are not changing my position and I am not trying to change yours, believe what you want. Anything beyond this point is wasting HD space on the server. Time to move on.

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Sounds like trying to change a view to me... But I am just wasting server space.

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well said, kah.

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I just couldn't imagine what it was like growing up in that family...
Brainwashed from birth?! What poor soul chose to come back as him???

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George Bush has years of alcohol and substance abuse (cocaine) under his belt so-to-speak. This man has all of the ear-marks of someone who has significant brain damage from his chronic drug use, which anyone in the field will also tell you impairs judgment. He is but a mere puppet of the Cheney cartel which is headed up by pappy Bush.

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Hey,

I respect all your opinions but please I request you to avoid clashing with anyone who does not think similar to you, let it be it wont help anyone. Just post your opinions and constructively build on it. Period.

Well my personal viewpoint, I think that Vladimir Putin is a supposedly good person or a leader. I may be wrong. If you look at the current Georgia situation, and if you have been reading stuff other than CNN and BBC you would know how much the western media is filtering and showing him as a aggressor which he is not. I also understand that every leader of every nation looks at their own benefits, and I think there is nothing wrong with that because if the leader doesnt then no one will. So if Putin is thinking in favour of Russia then I think there is nothing wrong with it, but the difference between him and the other leaders is that, he 'seems' to be supporting the truth and others, which you can clearly see, are spreading false fear and hatred and wrong information. By looking at this you can clearly see that everyone associated with the US admin is lying. I am not referring to the 'people' of US, only the admin. I dont think people anywhere in a majority would ever agree to violence.

Based on these things I feel Putin among the available choices is the most trust worthy leader. Even better, only trust yourself. But for anyone inclined towards politics, I think that Putin would be the most trust worthy choice. Well thats my opinion.
We know that Putin was a KGB, but we do not know why he was there and what he did and was he mind controlled or not. If we say anything it I believe would be speculation at best. But I read an article at lamecherry and I got the link somewhere in this forum about him being mind controlled, anyone aware of lamecherry please read that its a good read. But again that could be wrong and maybe he is actually a very bad person etc, my opinions are only based on what I have come to understand by situations unfolding around us, and by reading all forms of media.

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Or Putin is just as bad as Bush? Makes much more sense.:winksmiley02:

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I have to disagree. Bush is just plain dumb.
http://georgeisanidiot.com/Images/Bush-book.gif

That is exactly the reason why not to trust him.

It's the same old game. Own both sides and make them look like enemies, doesn't matter who appears to be the good guy. They both participate in war, that proves to me they are both evil.

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Ronald Reagan on George W. Bush: "A moment I've been dreading. George brought his ne're-do-well son around this morning and asked me to find the kid a job. Not the political one who lives in Florida. The one who hangs around here all the time looking shiftless. This so-called kid is already almost 40 and has never had a real job. Maybe I'll call Kinsley over at The New Republic and see if they'll hire him as a contributing editor or something. That looks like easy work."

Taken from, "REAGAN DIARIES."
http://www.matrixmasters.com/blog/bu...-george-w.html

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Hey dude,

I have to disagree with you on that one. I don't for one moment buy the idea that Bush is this great guy who naively believed in everything good and right and was led up the garden path by evil handlers. I'm just going off what I've read in Al Martin's book 'The Conspirators', which is a fun read. Martin was involved in the Iran-Contra frauds of the 80s with the Bush boys, Oliver North and the rest of the corrupt wing of the Republican party. He reckons all the Bush boys had a type of fraud that they specialised in - W's was insurance fraud, but he reckons he may have only made between 1-2 million during that time. At one point, he borrowed money from a failing bank to short the stocks of the same bank, make a profit and default on the loan after the bank failed so as to not have to pay back the original loan! He was one of the boys.

On almartinraw.com, he predicted that the presidency under bush would return to the 'bush' form of government: an excuse the ramp up defence spending to pay back generous defence contractors for Republican donations; tax cuts for the wealthy; surplus intended to pay the national debt and social security money stolen by HW would be absorbed by tax cuts. Look much different to things 8 years down the track?

9/11. Two wars. Iran looming. Russia. He's a bad guy. His people are bad people. They don't care about Americans, they care about themselves. Their buddies are getting the bailouts on Wall St. Not on the inner circle, you get cut loose.

Hell, who is Putin to be saying something like that? He's had people killed all over the joint.

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Oh, what a wicked web one weaves when one is on the path of power and greed,
then sets out to steal and decieve.

Clearly these men are of the service-to-self type. What are they dedicating their life toward? All we see is repitition of the same ol, same ol.

Of the two, Putin and Bush, Putin is better appreciated by his own people then Bush is by the people in the US.

My Opinion:
 

Putin is a much more trustworthy leader who cares about his nation over the interests of business, oil companies, etc. He has reportedly shut down the illuminati in Russia.

Bush is weak, illogical, mind controlled and totally serves the interests of business, oil companies and illuminati, no matter what the cost to the people in the US.

(Ducks and scurries back into hole)

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touche touche, (if thats how its spelled:bleh:) he does seem overly stupid at sometimes lol i love the pick:lmfao: