What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest")
 

I will offer my take on this issue which is on the minds of many. What I present here is based upon 3 main sources: The Ra Material/"Law of One", Hidden Hand - Revelations of an elite bloodline insider, and my own Consciousness Research and calibrations. Please make of it as you wish. Let's dive right into the heart of it with a quote from "Hidden Hand":

2012 and The Great Harvest:

I will not explain too much about the background/Context of this "Hidden Hand" person as this can be understood by reading the whole discourse. This is really essential for deeper understanding. Much of what he says is also backed up by the Ra material which he also comments on several times. We are moving towards a socalled "Great Harvest" which occurs at the end of a Cycle. It is always possible for a Soul/Being to evolve to higher densities, and thus be "harvested" before a cycle ends. But at the end of the cycle, when the "Great Harvest" occurs, all beings are affected by it. According to Hidden Hand there will be a "three way split". Using "muscle calibration" with regards to the Scale/Map of Consciousness, I came to the following conclusions:

Maximum "Level of Consciousness" that qualifies an individual for a "Negative Harvest": approximately 40.

Minimum "Level of Consciousness" that qualifies an individual for a "Positive Harvest": approximately 330.

This means that the "Level of Consciousness" range of "luke warm" individuals that will have to get further lessons in 3rd Density is: 41 - 329.

As of 25.10.2008 around 27 - 29% of the population already qualify for a "Positive Harvest" (a lot of these are probably "star seeds" though. And they really don't need to graduate as they are simply here to assist and have graduated from 3rd density before). This number will hopefully and most likely increase a lot in the years leading up to the Great Harvest around 2012. According to the Ra material, those that had the best shot of "making it" have priority to incarnate at this time as opposed to Souls/Beings who would most likely not make it due to the extent of their negative karma.

The density scale relative to the Hawkins Map/Scale:

3. Density/Dimension: 140-270
4. Density/Dimension: 270-380
5. Density/Dimension: 380-480
6. Density/Dimension: 480-540
7. Density/Dimension: 540-1000

As we can see from this, you have to be well established within the 4th density vibration to qualify for a "Positive Harvest". Hidden Hand says that as a minimum you will have to be at least 51% Service-to-others oriented (as opposed to service-to-self oriented). The "Negative Harvest" is nothing to worry about for most people. That is what the "elite rulers" themselves are aiming for, as they know that this will be the fastest route for them to learn their lessons and balance out their "karma" (if they get mixed into the "luke warm" group it will take longer time to escape/evolve). Wanderers/Star Seeds (ie. Beings that come from higher densities to help in this process) does not risk to be caught up in the "luke warm" harvest if they "fail" to wake up. According to Hidden Hand they will simpy return to their respective families/home planets etc. after physical death. The only "risk" is to live this one lifetime in prolonged suffering and misery.

Hidden Hand is part of a 6th (almost 7th) density extra-terrestrial "Group Soul" or "Social Memory Complex" (ie. a whole civilisations worth of individuals merged into one Complex Being) named "Lucifer". They "descended" into 3rd density to serve mankind, paradoxically by creating/orchestrating adversity and negativity as a catalyst for Mankinds spiritual evolution (which was lagging behind due to "lack of motivation" in the "garden of Eden" state before the introduction of total "Free will" and thus polarity/negativity). They are working towards a "negative Harvest" (for themselves!) in order to "work off" all the negativity they have created here as fast as possible to return to their Home Realms in the 6th density, and eventually evolve to the 7th. They have made a great sacifice for Mankind by doing this. Imagine what kind of cycle they will have to go through after they are done here to work it all off. This Hidden Hand discourse really puts things into perspective...

Quote from the Ra material (Law of One) regarding the Great Harvest:

source: http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=127&Item id=36

Hope this was enlightening to some. Thanks a lot!

In Love and Gratitude,

Sanat

Ps. For a nice and clean summary of the info about 2012 and the Harvest spread out on this thread read here:
http://www.wakeupcall2012.com/messages.html

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You laid that out very nicely Sanat, thank you for that.:original:

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is there any type of test that shows someone where they are at so as to be able to modify behavior? also does this mean that it's o.k. to be on the dark side? because then it sounds like nothing really matters or makes a difference.

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Great post Sanat. Thanks. :original:
Need some time studying it.

Many divine blessings.

Namasté

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Everything is "OK" if you are willing to take the consequences (for there are always consequences). Those of the "dark side" have provided mankind with a catalyst for speeding up spiritual growth. Those that orchestrate this (ie. the Lucifer being) have done so knowing that they would have to go through a cycle of extreme negativity to work off the karma they accumulated while "ruling" this planet. This is self-less service on one level, and at the same time it is extreme service to self. Very paradoxical indeed.

Those of the Human family bloodlines (below the Luficer overseeing/orchestrating entity) are also informed of this, and are working towards a negative harvest for themselves because they know this is the best way for them to eventually evolve out of it. Probably only the upper echalons of the human bloodlines understands this fully, while the lower levels are just into "negativity" for the sake of negativity/power etc. Info is extremly compartmentlized in their whole freemasonic organisation...

Either way it has karmic consequences that are not to be taken lightly. Imagine a cycle of thousands of thousands for lifes with pure negativity and suffering. Much worse than the current earthly situation. This is what they will have to endure to work off their karmic debt.

You ask if there is any test to show where people are at. Yes, there is the test of "muscle calibration". But I would not worry too much about it. The best thing is to work on yourself, and become more and more Aware. Everyone incarnated with a life blueprint were a certain "goal" was set for each to reach before the Harvest. Most people will reach their goal eventually. I think a lot will be revealed in the years leading up to the Harvest as the ETs become more involved. Everyone has the opportunity for growth. The "worst" thing that can happen is that you will have to continue to live on an earth like planet for another cycle (there are also smaller cycles so it is possible to be harvested sooner than a full cycle). That is not so bad is it?:original:

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I visited your sight Sanat,Thankyou.

Namaste

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great website-- its a wealth of information. thanks for posting. :)

question: how did you arrive at the calibration numbers? and how did you arrive at the data for the populace in terms of what the average LoC is? do you have a consciousness-O-meter or something? :)

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Yes, in fact we all do... It's called a body/mind/Spirit complex:). If you follow links on the site the method of "muscle calibration" will be described there... It is based on "applied kinesiology".

Naturally, everything is known to to All-that-is. I arrive at the numbers by simply asking (making a statement really) and using the muscle response of my calibration partner as an indicator of yes/no answers. (yes makes the arm go strong, no makes it go weak). Example: "The Level of Mass Consciousness for this planet is higher than X". I start out with with a low number (that yeilds a "yes" response) and I go upwards until I get a "no" response...

It is also possible to use dowsing rods or even pendulum which I also do. But the muscle testing is the best, "safest" and fastest way to get the answers. The fact that another person is the "instrument" makes it harder for "personal influence" to play a part in it. Read on Hawkins site for all the info you need (links provided on the site and above). Thanks for your response!:original:

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Great site Sanat,

very informative thanks a lot.

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Thanks a lot! So happy you enjoy it!:original:

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http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?op...=127&Itemid=36

Dear Sanat
Thank you for the post its well thought out.
I also skimed the info on this link above.

I have several questions.
Have you muscle tested the validity of RA ?

I follow the teachings of David Hawkins and am aware that he stated that God dosent need a co-creator so my devotion is only to God.

Who is RA?
I am not familiar with the Law of One.

There is so much spiritual circus that I am aware of the need to question anything that may be a distraction.


However it would be nice to think that there is a "harvest" movment to a 4th dimension.

Regards Chris

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Hi Chris! Thanks for your response.

Yes, I have muscle tested or "calibrated" the Ra Material or "Law of One" series (the version that is available on Wilcoks site): It calibrates right above 900.

Ra is a group soul (that is a whole planet worth of beings evolved into one complex being of higher densities). He has been around and helped mankind a lot in for a very long time. He was involved with the Egyptians and the pyramids, and also with many other cultures. Like many other beings from higher densities he has been working to increase Positive Harvest. To learn more you should simply read the Ra Material which explains it well. RA is short and to the point, but each sentence is very condensed with meaning. He says a lot with few words...

Yes, there is a jungle of info out there. That is why I have created my website where I offer only "essential info" of High calibration. Info that gives overview of the bigger picture and scheme of things. There are many different angles/viewpoints to percieve "what is going on" from. All the pieces of information available on my site complement each other. And all info carries a high vibration of Truth/Love/Integrity. On the bottom of the "calibrations" page of my website you will find links to all the different material along with its respective calibrated LoC.

Love,

Sanat

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Thanks for your response Sanat.
No doubt it will all unfold as it is is suposed to.

Regards and thanks again
Chris

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Thank you sanat...
Very enlightening...but I would like to make a comment obout this topic...let´s see... I came to the knowledge that the main purpose of incarnating in this planetary school with 100% free will is to learn the lesson of polarity integration... Either polarizing to the light or polarizing to the dark will sooner or later build worlds with hive conciousness,where you loose individuality for the sake of the group...
Polarity integration means equilibrium between both polarities,between opposites,where none of them are good or bad...they are only opposites...
When we learn to cocreate in a balanced way you fulfill and the whole game finishes for that soul, entering to play into new universal games... The way out or the graduation comes when you integrate and accept both sides of which ALL THAT IS is...
Both are parts of the Divinity, and in both roads you can acomplish asencion...but the principal objective is not to polarize into any of the extremes, but to love them both and cocreate a reality in which both poles coexist in a balanced way... That is the goal...that is the key to the way out for this continious incarnation process... That is the zero piont... Not negative, not positive, simply none of them...use them to cocreate, but not to live traped by them...

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Yes, that is very true, Nibiru. The terms are not so important. "Positive polarity" means that you have integrated. I don't see any contradiction here other than perhaps on the semantic level. You can see that "positive polarity" simply means that you have integrated, and negative polarity means that you have segregated. There are various degrees of Integration/segregation and this is what RA is talking about. It is also what the Scale of 1 to 1000 is about. At the top there is complete integration/balance, and at the bottom there is very much segregation/unbalance.

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Excellent thread, Sanat! :original:

I like the sources you quote because I've studied them extensively, especially the Ra Material/Law of One. BTW, that Study Guide you quoted from was compiled by Bob Childers; one of my best friends: my teacher; mentor; best man at my wedding, etc. He introduced me to the Ra Material about a dozen years ago, and quite frankly I didn't get it at first, but I kept studying it because I trusted Bob's opinion, and he loved it. I now consider it to be one of the most credible teachings available to us! :trumpet:

I've also studied Dr Hawkins' material quite a bit and I have a healthy respect for it. He's just put out another audio book called "In the World, But Not of It", and I've been trying to justify spending $90 for 7 CDs. :wall:

My only caveat is that I'm never 100% sure about the results of the muscle testing method. I once used it to try and determine if an employee was telling the truth about some items that were getting stolen from work. Muscle testing said he was guilty as sin, even after double and triple checking. Unfortunately I made a decision based on that being a fact, only to find out later that he was indeed innocent. :doh: :confused:

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Thanks SuperManny!

I see. The more "personal" things are the easier it will influence your calibration. It's good to always ask for "permission" before calibrating.

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Hello Sanat. I'm glad to read you again. :thumb_yello:

If I may my friend, I think all, including "star seeds" risk in incarnating into Humanity. All are under the Universal Laws. If one is still under a victim consciousness, the Laws will bring him/her more of victim consciousness experience. There is much to gain if success is obtained, but the risk is to stay stuck into victim consciousness to result in no ascension.

About "Hidden Hands", most of his statements are according to the Law of One. I think he has said many truth in this regard, but not about himself. What he said about himself and his people did not sound true and genuine to my humble feelings. I'm not thinking exclusively about lies, but also Hidden truth intentionally not being mentioned. I really start to question even the Ra material about this. A lot of truth, but some small lies and hidden truth here and there to mislead, especially when the speaker informs about himself and his people.

My thoughts, Steven

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[QUOTE=Steven;82743]Hello Sanat. I'm glad to read you again. :thumb_yello:

If I may my friend, I think all, including "star seeds" risk in incarnating into Humanity. All are under the Universal Laws. If one is still under a victim consciousness, the Laws will bring him/her more of victim consciousness experience. There is much to gain if success is obtained, but the risk is to stay stuck into victim consciousness to result in no ascension.

YEEEES !
VICTIMHOOD IS EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE TO AQUIRE " COCREATOR GOD/GODESS CONCIOUSNESS" WHERE YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT YOU COCREATE OR ATTRACT FROM THE UNIVERSAL FLOW OF ENERGY...ASCENCION IS EXACTLY THAT, MEANING BY THIS THAT YOU COCREATE WITH FULL CONCIOUSNESS OF YOUR POWER TO MANIFEST WHAT YOU ATTRACT,WHAT YOU THINK,WHAT YOU FEEL,WHAT YOUR ACTIONS SHOW...WHEN WE HUMANKIND (INCLUDING STARSEEDS AND WALK-INS) LEARN TO DISPLAY OUR MULTIDIMENSIONAL CONCIOUSNESS IN OUR DAILY ACTS WE ARE READY FOR THE NEXT STEP IN THE EVOLUTIONARY LADDER...

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Hi Steven. Glad you have joined us. Perhaps what you say is correct. Allthough it would be kind of a bummer to be cought up in a cycle of thousands of years in 3rd density when you in reality have already "graduated" from it. I don't know. I would like to recommend this read to you though:

http://www.operationterra.com/Messages/index.html

If you liked the Handbooks and the Allies of Humanity I think you will very much appreciate this...

I am not sure what you mean when you say Hidden Hand talks about himself and his people and also RA. Please be more specific as I would like to understand. Some truth will always be hidden of course. Often because the full truth would confuse more thant it would help mankind in their limited perspective. I am not sure I get exactly what you mean about Hidden Hand and RA with regards to what you say: "What he said about himself and his people did not sound true and genuine to my humble feelings." Thanks for your thoughts though. Always appreciated:original:!

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Very interesting post!

Thanks

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Sanat,

I would like to thank you for starting this thread. This is the kind of info that I am looking for on this forum. I like to be aware of what is happening in the world, but I find the doom and gloom prediction stuff really brings my energy down.

This material is very uplifting.

It is amazing how this journey is going. I had reached a point in the maze of info where I felf I had hit a wall and did not know where to go next. I mean I am aware of the NWO, 9-11, microchipping etc., but I knew I was at a point of being past all of that.

This thread is exactly what I needed to continue on. Thanks again.:thumb_yello:

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Thanks for this post! I absolutely believe this is accurate. Dolores Cannon is another author who writes of the harvest. Looking forward to it!

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Yea, it sure is an incredible ride!:original:

I like to look at many different messages of high calibration/vibration of Truth/Love, and I find that they all complement each other. Some are more true for some people, and others are more true for other people. Everyone choose their "destiny" before they incarnated here and everyone is guided towards the fulfillment of that destiny. This is exectly why I put up my website. To collect a lot of different messages with a high "level of consciousness/Love/Integrity/Truth" that overlap and complement each other, yet each has a different flavor/coloring. This way everyone should be able to find something that appeals to them. Thanks a lot people! Glad you enjoy as I do!:original:

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I just finished listening to this interview with Brent Miller and he talks about the 'Harvest of Souls'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtsOc...eature=related

Great interview!

:smoke:

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I can't remember which, but there was an interview by Camelot where the talked about the looking glass and what happened when they tried to view beyond 2012. As they approached 2012 it was like two timelines becoming more and more distinct from each other. Splitting apart and suddenly there was simply no-time or time/space or Nothingness. This harmonizes very well with what RA, Hidden Hand and Operation Terra talks about.

There will be a split into 4th density Positive Earth (Terra) and the "opposite" (4th density negative). Before that there will be a time of "zero-point" and total Oneness. Operation Terra says that Creation will "blink" and refresh itself, and that this only happens many billion years apart. There are several cycles coming to an end (this is hinted upon by many sources allthough seldom spoken about becase we probably have enough with our own right now), not just the cycle of our Solar system.

Those that are destined for 4th density Positve (Terra) will at some point be "lifted off" this planet by Federation Ships in their physical bodies, and they will go through a transition period into new 4th density bodies as they wait for Terra to be ready for colonization. The Operation Terra material says that not many are destined for that planet at first. They estimate 1/10 of 1% of the current population (around 1999-2002 when the material was written). According to them you cannot really "earn" your right to go there. All that has been decided before incarnation. Most of the Star Seeds are 5th density or higher and most of them will simply return to their home/familiy/density once the mission is complete or "the show is over". Some will go to Terra and play important roles there for a while also. Eventually Terra will have mostly beings of 4th density. It will be like a capital Planet of this Galaxy. Every civilization in this Galaxy will be represented there, and it will be a "display" for "harmony in diversity".

So what will happen to all those that are "luke warm" or "not harvestable"? There will probably be many different paths for different people according to level of development. Most will go to a "replica Earth" after the Zero-point "blink", and life will simply continue sort of where it left off. According to the Operation Terra material this current 3D Earth will totally cleanse her surface from all lifeforms, and rest in an uninhabitable state for a long time after the Shift. Does this mean that there is nothing to "do" really? No use in "saving" this Planet as it will be rendered uninhabitable for a long time after the Cleansing and Shift? Both yes and no the way I see it:

Since the new 3rd density replica Earth will be cleansed from the entities with the lowest Vibration (the "bloodline elite" who are going for a Negative Harvest into 4th density negative), and also taking into consideration that things will sort of pick up where they left off; we can see that it is very important to do as much as we can now to give the Earth replica as good a start as possible. At the same time we can relax in the knowledge that all is unfolding as it must. People will go where they are destined to go. It is best to detach from the chaos and allow the cleansing process to take place both within and without. No one will "survive" the Shift, but at the same time everyone will survive. As RA points out: There is really no point in "going for longevity" at this time. (You can really sense the divine distance RA has to "worldly drama" in his words, and at the same time he feels so close. I have never come across a Being with a more subtle sense of humor than this RA. He can seem sort of "serious" and to the point at first read. But give it a second look and you will discover that he has a lot of humor, but it is so extremely subtle that it easily slips by unnoticed).

I guess the point is that all the different messages are designed to appeal to different groups of people according to their "destiny" or "life blueprint". Most messages etc. agree on many core issues, but at the same time they differ on certain things. It's good to simply follow what appeals to you and stick with that. A whole lot of people will experience "doom/gloom" as that is what they "signed up for". It is needed as it is the only way they can be shaken up out of their thousand year sleep and hopefully be more responsible and Aware on the new Earth replica. They will never be convinced that any other future is possible. All will experience things in their own way according to the lesson they need to learn. No blame. No resistance. No fear. Only Acceptance and Love.

Blessings,

Sanat

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Sanat - thank you for providing the link to 'muscle calibration' - very interesting :original:
I have a friend who has been looking for this info in respect of the work she likes to do with crystals.
Another link which may be of interest to you is:http://www.thenewcall.org/book_download.htm
There are several free ebooks which relate to the subject of this thread. I have read them but - as has been said already - there is so much information available that it often confuses. These books may or may not inform :original:
Following my own, personal, 'wake up' experience, I found myself with more questions than answers and spent no small amount of time wading through everything that was out there. I just got more confused. Fortunately, one day an image popped into my mind of a person swimming deeply underwater and I realised that this was me - the information I'd absorbed was so deep, so all-encompassing that I, in a twist of the old adage, I couldn't see the shore for the water. :original:

I don't think this journey was unwarrented nor lacking some outside, guiding wisdom. Along the way I had to face myself in all my glory - my ego, hopes, fears, motivations, hypocrasy - the whole thing that makes me human.:original:

After that I reached a conclusion that all I needed to know was one or two plain and simple things that came from somewhere inside me. I won't say that this is my ultimate conclusions - we're learning all the time - but it's where I am right now.

Since being 'there' - little preturbs me. I found all manner of emotions just disappeared. I can't say they won't leap back out and bite me - I'm human, after all - but I'm more at ease now. :original:

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Thank you Sanat for your answer and for the link, I'll read it soon.

I'll explain a bit further my thoughts. First, about ascension. The Universal Laws of Love, Freewill, Attraction, Deliberate Intention, Allowance, Balance/Harmony are wheels of the Divine Order. They govern the consciousness world (I purposely do not use the word dimension here).

Freedom is never to be granted nor the sphere of influence one may possess. This is why there is a risk in the act of incarnating. We, Humans, incarnate in a body where the act of incarnating provokes a "forgetting" due to our brain limitation. A lot of Knowledge has to be remembered. If one does not remember enough and do not follow what he/she remembers one risk to be caught in this victimhood consciousness until he ascend, and this may take time. Now, many simple things are remembered with ease, the most fundamental are, but often, are not followed. Love is one, Freewill is another. All of us deep down inside Know that it is fundamental, but the challenge is to put them in practice. And we all, without exception, are continuously under the vigilance of the Universal Laws of consciousness.

On the other hand, incarnating here at this moment is important for the whole Universe and for one soul/extension. The experience acquired will grant greater opportunities. Their is a great risk and a great reward if success is accomplished. We are here to assist in the ascension and we will do it with success.

Now about Hidden Hand. Forgive me if I don't use quotes and drastically impose my subjective view. I'm talking with my "feelings" to summarize. You may not see it like me and it's very welcome, I'm just giving you my humble view of it. My point of view is in the fact that there is an Intervention going on Earth by several races of aliens. Hidden Hand overall words give the image of "jailers" of a "prison" full of "prisoners". That they are here to keep the control of the prison but they may provides "tools" to help one to get free. Only with this, I look at it under the Universal Laws and see a pattern of oppressor-victim-savior at hand. Among many very sharp information, this pattern comes out like the last taste of all his posts. That is why I said He might say many truth, but he doesn't about his real purpose. They are here to help us to stay as low as possible, we are resources to them, nothing more.

Great thread Sanat! It help us to become. :thumb_yello:

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Hello Steven!:original:

I think I understand better know. However, I did not pick that up myself from Hidden Hand. I agree that they are here to drag people down (ie. "test" people and reflect back to people their inner state of negativity/victimhood etc.). But I wouldl like to remind people (I am not "preaching" to you here Steven:original:. I try to respond in a way that many will perhaps find it interesting) that there is no "they versus us" as all is One. "They" are simply an outside extension/reflection of mankinds inner state of Being. They are the outside reflection of what I call the "ego-parasite complex". I will quote from my article to make this more clear:

I do believe it is all being orchestrated by Divine order from the top level (the Lucifer being which Hidden Hand is a part of) and down. I do believe these Hidden Hand people are working on two levels. On one level they are very conscious and has a great distance to it (the game) as they (obviously) know it is all a game. They take their orders from the Divine (through their Lucifer mass being who on a higher level is actually performing a great act of self-less service by doing all this as it/they know what they/it will have to go through to "work it off"), and has taken on the task of orchestrating the whole caboodle.

At the same time I do believe that all you say is true for all the lower levels (below the Lucifer being which Hidden Hand is part of). I do believe these lower levels are simply just into power/negativity/service to self. They have no distance to "the game" at all. They have succumbed totally to what I call the ego-parasite complex, and fear/isolation a long time ago. They are thus aligned with this astral parasitic entity, and any other entity (alien or astral) that will help their agenda (be that reptilians or greys or whatever). I believe these lower levels "look up to" and respect the Lucifer being(s) because the Lucifer being(s) are so much more powerful than they are that they have no choice. The service-to-self powerseekers always arrange themselves in a hierarchic structure with the strongest or most powerful on top (if one entity is obviously much more powerful than the other, this happens automatically without "fighting it out"). Yes, the Lucifer being(s) are dedicated towards negativity/service to self like "them" on one level, but they also have the divine distance (the way I see it) as they come from 6th density, and from that perspective they are dedicated to service-to-others. Very paradoxical in deed that they can serve mankind by creating negativity/adversity, but it rings true to me at least.

This is an interesting thread and I am looking forward to see how it develop!:original:

In the Light,

Sanat

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there making films about it now

http://www.sonypictures.com/movies/2012/

scary trailer

:shocked:

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I can relate to what you say very much. I also had this when I started to wake up. I had emptied out a lot of garbage via mediation and Yoga practice and suddenly I found out about 9/11 one day surfing the inet (a small voice whispered something in my ear), and it was like a dam being breached. Info just flooded into my mind without any end to it. I could not get enough. Listened to Alex Jones every day etc. hehhe. I don't listen to him anymore... It was like I had a lot to catch up on and now it all came at once.

Now a days it is more for fun. I am so happy with where I am that I really don't care what happens or not. I try to be at service if I can, and have some fun with all this also. It is interesting to learn always, but it really does not affect me one way or the other. Truth is in the eye of the beholder, and not "out there". Our level of understanding is always determined by our level of Consciousness. Outside knowledge cannot compensate for that at all. Thanks for your sharing Allie. Very much appreciated!:original:

Love/Light,

Sanat

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Hhehe. At least it will make many more people aware of it... However, as mind control "victim", Cathy O'Brien, points out; "they" love to mix reality with fiction as this is the best way to "hide" truth and also confuse people. The battle between dark and Light is ongoing in everything; Movies, art, literature...you name it...

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yeah i agree, the comments on the trailer i thought was quite resounding
"how would the governments of our planet prepare 6 billion people for the end of the world? they wouldn't" sounds about right

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Hi Sanat

Thank you for your reply :original:

I hadn't heard of 2012 when my alarm clock went off. When I found it my jaw was scraping the ground for many a month. :lol3:

This is merely my observation and it therefore may not be a view that is right for anyone else, but as I journeyed along, acquainting myself with everything from Ascended Masters to conspiracy theories and hundreds of things in between, a couple of things became recurring themes as time went by; fear and judgementalism.

I noticed how so many views are based on fear and initially, I didn't escape this either :original: Eventually, I also discovered that for every view and arguement there existed it's equal, but opposite view. I also realised that it has it's own kind of addictive element. When fear and worry hit, you search for a solution by finding someone else's view in order to support/negate the first one. :original: You desperately want to know - but when all is said and done, what you have is the view(s) of someone (or many others) whom you do not know and therefore cannot be sure of.

I also discovered that initially, I was a little too quick off the mark to judge other people. Again, this wasn't from a place of personal knowledge, but of contrasting and comparing the 'views' that came from elsewhere. Or by seeing a 'good' or a 'bad' event/person.

In the end - and after more personal auditing that I care to remember, it really came down to the fact that the world was perhaps not all it seemed. I don't really care to turn on the 'Illuminti' channel for the latest news anymore. It doesn't really affect me when and if I do - I've already got the gist. :original: If I happen upon it, it's main benefit is that I get a self-check on whether or not it can create any reaction in me.

Some may call this being an ostrich - I would say the opposite. When you know the general gist and lose your attachment to the outcome, you begin to live in the 'now', rather than an unknown future.

I came to PA because I wanted to start a self-sufficent retreat - perhaps to aid the many who are truly frightened. I thought perhaps I might glean a thing or two about how to grow the odd carrot or raise the odd chicken :lol3:
That kind of thing, anyway. I'm wholly dependant on the mainstream way of life and wouldn't have a clue how to step off the merry-go-round in the 'basic needs' kind of way.

The forum has evolved in other ways and that is fine.:original:

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It seems to me that your "filtering process" has served you well Allie:original:. As did my own. It's really all about acceptance and non-resistance. Life flows naturally and more painless if one does not resist change or the "unknown". As a Master I have known always says: "Easy is right". Security does not come from preparing for the unknown in a thousand and one ways, it comes from simply accepting that there is only the unknown. The mystery is never-ending, and it gets more mysterious the more one evolves. I used to be totally asleep, and in that state I really thought I "knew it all". The more Awake you become the less you know. There is great beauty in paradox.

So many are caught up in the "being right" game. It's not about "being right" as that is really impossible. It's simply about being in Love, because Love is right. Being content no matter what the circumstances are is the only thing one needs. All else is based upon illusion.

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I think going through all the negative emotions has been really, really useful.
Without them - and being aware of them - you haven't a clue what there is to transcend. It is like emptying your rucksack after a long and messy hike :original:

The term 'polarity' has been mentioned several times and I kind of think this reaching for self-acceptance requires you to hike to your darker pole.

To some extent, I find that there is two of 'me' hovering around. My darling ego is still apt to throw a hissy fit from time to time - but there's another 'me' that is getting the knack of detaching, standing and watching and questioning what the hissy fit is all about :original:

It sure is a long journey :original:

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Yea, and this is what is happening on a global plane now. A great cleansing process. Many people resist it though, and most are unaware of it alltogether. All of the negativity will surface to be processed out. This happens naturally if allowed. By facing darkness/ignorance you transmute it into Light and understanding. It is the only way and it often seems like a long journey (so why bother is what many people think). But what else is there to do really? Live an inauthentic life aliented from who you really are and want to be? I think not. The Grace of God is such that you can be suddenly released after years of struggling that seemingly lead you nowhere. Eckhart Tolle is a perfect example of that as he was on the verge of suicide when he suddenly was released.

I am currently working on my master thesis in Comparative Literature writing about Hamlet (they actually pay you to study in this country:original:). The Prince of Denmark is a perfect example of how this cleansing process works. He is driven to the verge of insanity and suicide by the catalyst of the "revenge mission" his massive warrior father figure and "social convention/conditioning" tries to push upon him. In the end he is suddenly "released" and returns from the sea in the last Act as a totally transformed being. This is the "hidden meaning" Shakespeare (in reality the freemason Sir Francis Bacon who calibrated in the higher 400s) tries to convey in his masterpiece. It sort of covertly depicts real spirituality and evolution in action without ever stating it explicitly (probably would have led to prosecution at that time).

Hamlet more or less saved my life (at least he was my only comfort when the times were rough because at least he would adress something that felt real. I also loved his very dark and morbid sense of humor. Still do.). Now I am simply "paying back my due" by bringing greater understanding to this masterpiece. The cleansing process in the end of the play where almost everyone dies is probably Shakespeares/Bacons way of giving a subtle "warning" to what an inauthentic life eventually brings and to the nature of the "cycle". The great irony is that all the characters in the play (except Hamlet) dies as a direct result of their own futile attempts to escape from their own mortality...

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Interesting, Sanat :original:

When you start looking around you can actually see the mirror reflecting back at you in all kinds of things.

Recently, I watched a TV program about child witchcraft in Nigeria. It was appalling - children with acid burns, machete marks - one, sadly brain damaged by a three inch nail driven into the top of her head - all in an attempt to elicit a 'confession' from these absolutely naive and innocent babes. Often these injuries were inflicted by their parents. Needless to say there were 'pastors' who could do the job of driving out the demon - for a price.

The sight of the injury done to these children and the trauma written deep into their faces was truly heart-wrenching.

Leading this movement was one woman, a self-styled expert in this field who had made highly irrational, quite evil, 'informational' DVD's on the matter. People watched them, word went round - children were persecuted because mankind always seems to need a dark force upon which to pin its angers and fears. Deaths in the village were down to a child witch; poor or no catches at sea - all down to child witches (in fact, it was a spillage from an oil tanker)

I guess millions who watched this must be thinking 'How can such primitive notions still exist?', but actually, they exist in our so-called 'civilised' world - we just don't always see them with such clarity. We still appear to need a 'dark' force; we still listen to whoever is going to 'guide' us away from them. We put our faith in those who say they can help. We still pay them to do so.

I suppose this program sort of summed up why I opt not to follow anyone and to lose my attachment to the outcome. :original: You have to be extremely careful whom you choose as your 'teacher' , 'guide' or 'leader'.

Better still - be your own eh? :original:

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Yea, it does not matter so much that things are bad as long as "we" have someone else to blame for it... some kind of scapegoat. It is the ego-parasites at work. A true Master does not have a teaching and he does not do anything or inflict any "belief-system" upon anyone. He takes it all away instead. His Light/Love is simply so strong that being in that Presence brings darkness to the surface in a more rapid speed than what normally is the case. He is already there outside of good/evil waiting patiently for people to meet him there...

They way I see it this whole planet is currently experiencing a galactic Satsang that has been ongoing for many years already. The high vibration of Love/Light from the ETs and from Source itself (and also the Sun/Earth) has the same effect on the totality of the planet as a Master has on those close to him. As Osho used to say: Anyone who gives you a believe system is your enemy... Knowledge is fun and interesting, but it is part of the game so it can never be Truth. It can be more or less truthful or in alignment with Truth however...

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Great thread...

Couple of comments or observations.

Is the "war on terror" we are experiencing actually a "war on terra".

I have started to come round to this way of thinking too that we need to be in observer mode and detach ourselves. Especially with my work...

I currently work for one of the 3 automotive manufacturers which is going cap in hand to ask for a bail out package, it seems unsuccessfully. Maybe they should have shared lear jets or even gone economy and got their story straight on the flight down to DC. I've seen the writing on the wall from the inside for a while... I have a sign next to my desk which says "Exit --->" and I joke to some people that the writing is on the wall ;) I'm so glad I am where I am on this journey as I would be in a state of fear etc for money future etc etc but am learning detachment from it. Also with all this harvesting happening by 2012 it is not as if I have to worry about my pension any longer :D