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Norval 11-03-2008 06:49 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Kerry, Bill, Colin, Moderators and Avalon members;
While many here at Avalon may not have the experiences of forums that many of us
"old timers" do, this needs to be said! From having operated and moderated several
forums the methodologies and tactics being used here are the very ones that will tear this
forum apart. Which is exactly what is happening. Are we to think that this is being done
for a reason? What are your posters and readers thinking? Obviously, you are trying to
find out.

Those of us "old timers" to the forums are just shaking our heads and sighing over what
has been done here. Obviously someone forgot to read the "Forums, How to Manage
One." instructions that are all over the net. It causes many to ask just whose advice is
being followed on how to run the forum? And, why?

It looks like about two thirds of the readers and posters have left. We have to ask why?
There were some great minds that first came to this forum and they are gone now. I am
not talking about the "stars of the show", but about those that had something constructive
to add in the way of thoughts and ideas.

Personally I am here now just to watch what happens next, to answer any questions
concerning the research Gale, I, and others have done, and to try and help people keep a
level head in their responses. There are many of us that hope this will all work it's way
through and help the people waking up.

Sincerely :original:
Norval L. Cunningham

TruthWillSetUFree 11-03-2008 06:55 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
It it not surprising that in asking how we feel about the forum you would get a manifestation of what is going on in the forum ....
Quote:

Originally Posted by gordon (Post 69236)
Why would I be upset? it isn't my fault that certain people can not stop attacking me for no reason at all.

It is precisely this type of energy that brings a 'negative' influence into the forums.

Is it wrong? No, it is life. This forum depicts not only what is going on in the world but also what is going on with each and every life on the forum.

The positive and negative, to navigate through. Choosing what we can spiritually discern as "ours" or not and to use this energy to practice detaching ourselves from it emotionally. I believe we will have much negativity in the world in the very near future.

First things first.

Gordon, what has you feeling "attacked" is what YOU are putting out there. You obviously do not see this as it remains in your shadow. Look into your victim archetype. You victimize others, eliciting a response from them, so you, your ego, can 'be right' about being attacked by others, again feeling victimized. You do not see that you are creating this yourself; a never ending merry-go-round of upset and turmoil.

Until you are responsible for what you create, you will be stuck within its confining walls of resentment.

What I hear is someone who is angry and wants attention by taking it out on the world. Underneath your anger is fear. Only you know or can access where this fear is coming from by going into the darkest recesses of your soul.

There are people here willing to love you, don't be afraid.

What we all need to realize is who is doing the posting on here is our ego's. Some have a predominant ego, others are more in tune with their spiritual selves which reflects that in their understanding. Most of us are in somewhere in between, many have hurt egos who are resigned to hurting others to feel better.

I would suggest to all those who feel the need to negate others to use the forum as a tool to get in touch with your deepest emotions as a way to uncover ALL THAT IS NOT YOU. Consequently, finding who you are.

This is the quickest and surest way to help the world. As you uncover all that is not you, you help the collective uncover their own, as in the 100th monkey syndrome. It always begins WITH YOU and ends with you, as we are all each other.

Gordon you are an aspect of all of us who is hurt and angry. As an aspect of all of us you can find your healing from within yourself and within our collective whole.

And that, my dear friend, is up to you.

Herein lies our transformation as a whole.

So to answer the question,yes, I feel the forum is a valuable asset in one's life as a teaching/learning tool and a place to make like-minded friends.

Accipiter_Phi 11-03-2008 06:57 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
["AGREED ! I'd also add that I wouldn't like to be in B&K's shoes right now because this forum must be so NOT what they anticipated. Ultimately it's got to be a choice between exclusivity or heavy policing. - The problems of running things don't change much, do they?"] -NORMAN


This forum is basically a microcosmic societal study that directly reflects the dynamics of society as a whole... not too mention the social dynamics that will quickly manifest in any given "ground crew" habitat.

I believe that the issues/dynamics raised within this forum will help address issues/dynamics that will rise in ground crew communities...

There will be love, yet fear. "helping hands" yet competition... compassion yet ego struggles.... a "leader-class" will probably have to emerge to combat self defeating infighting due to experiential levels (and their related personality types) in various fields; including weapon, health, infrastructure, spiritual specialists.

This forum is priceless in revealing/predicting the inevitable psycho/social dynamics of proposed ground crew habitats... and how to ameliorate various conflicts. There are no easy, external answers to these problems.

One may quickly find oneself dealing with issues that the "illuminati" ruling class has been dealing with for millenia (without the Luciferian slant, though).

Nothing is as easy as it seems when tools, weapons and egos are involved.

Pomguymguy 11-03-2008 07:32 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
:wall:As many of us here still attempt to scratch each others eyes out
please note: The Universal Mind ( of which we are ALL a tiny part of) knows far more about how YOU feel than any human being could possibly know.

Every THOUGHT is ENERGY - ONCE AGAIN we see a lot of useful ENERGY being wasted on trivial b******t instead of the job in hand - which is ?:nono:

MANY OF US HERE APPARENTLY STILL DO NOT KNOW !

Average Joe 11-03-2008 07:49 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eXchanger (Post 69272)
quoted text removed at quotees request

I feel this forum would be a better place if people would use the full width of the page.

Carol 11-03-2008 08:27 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Susan,

I appreciate your editing your text and so I shall follow your example.

PAX

Anchor 11-03-2008 09:46 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eXchanger (Post 69272)
quoted text removed at quotee's request

:shocked:

--

Everyone: please, cant we have constructive debate? One without any form of ad-hominem attacks - no matter how subtle. All it does is pander to the negative.

It would be nice if people concentrated on the message and not the messenger and if one has to pass judgement, try to judge the processess not the person.

A..

TranceAm 11-03-2008 10:46 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
:trumpet: Its a sanctuary. :trumpet:

clarkkent 11-04-2008 01:03 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
i agree with the the truth shallsetyoufree and mr phi (as usual ,heh)

this forum is a different animal than it was during its inception.
mr phi's cartoon depicts the nature of the dichotomy here quite well.

there are some very spiritual smart savvy wise and informed people here and there are many more people who are none of those things.

the best one can hope for is to peruse the threads and look under "new posts" and hope theres some interesting info or a good discussion happening.

it IS a microcosm of what youd get in a physical groundcrew, though i do think people are a bit more respectful in person and certain info is more easily seen as false when you see whos delivering it.

i dont come here as much , except occasionaly and ive found

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/ to be just as enlightening

and the forums at
http://divinecosmos.com

to be good as well.

the one thing that bugs me a bit at camelot/avalon is that alarmist negative reports get so much attention.

st clair and wilcock both said that october wouldnt be as nutty as everyone was predicting (yes the financial turmoil is huge but not life wrecking for most of us)

look at the doom and gloomers who got all the attention
"hawkeye" who said america would be brought to its knees in early october and that there probably wouldnt even be an election, and of course dr deagle's prophet of the most high god of imminent nuclear war as well as george green. halfpast human's report got blown out of proportion as well with most people thinking total economic collapse would happen in october.---the fact is the election is tomorrow and most of us still have jobs and my coffee is still $2.oo.....and while that might not always be the case, fretting and getting worked up over "prophets" visions or "insiders" testimony of the "roths" destroying us, just plays into the fear game.

bill and kerry seem to be stuck between letting go and just letting their spirit guide them and know that this is all illusion and transition....and holing up underground like the military with hydroponics and being glad that they have money to separate them from the fates of the masses.

IMO camelot/avalon unfortunately caters to the inner survivalist/fear monger
while at the same time preaching "no fear" spirituality but the fact is apocalyptic visions and speculation gets everyones blood pumping, and calm rational discussion of "probabilites" does not.

the forum reflects all this and more.

Shellie 11-04-2008 03:14 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
I believe that the whoever is the last witness to be put up on video on Camelot at any given time is the one who's attitudes and beliefs colors Avalon at that time. If Bill and Kerry would like to change what is happening here on Avalon, the best thing they could do is control the information we are getting- sponsored by them- through the witnesses. If they choose to make this a metaphysical forum and cut out all the practical stuff, then they can choose that. But I do not think they will, considering the objectives they have listed.

The best thing that can be done to help Avalon push ahead would be if B & K were to find witnesses who aren't going to tell us what is going to happen or what to do, but HOW to do it. Our minds are swimming with hundreds of scenarios and possibilities and time-lines, and we all have a vague sense of "be physically and mentally prepared" but... We are drowning in information. Many of us at PA are strapped for resources, living paycheck to paycheck, or are just now waking up and are still trying to digest everything. In essence, I believe we are so bombarded with "do this" and "do that" that I wouldn't be surprised if a large portion of the Members here are paralyzed to do anything and hence haven't done a single thing to get ready yet.

My vote is for B & K to give us a little more guidance via interviews. That should kick start fresh, relevant activity here on PA.

karmakah 11-04-2008 03:23 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
IMO, I see this Forum as a reflection of the consiousness of the world, the state of the world. Some people are love and light, some are passive, some are aggressive, some are evil. I truly believe it is true that we as a species are just not "there yet". This Forum, at times, is proof of that. It does not, however, deter me from visiting. I'm here as an observer, and every now and then if I get something positive out of something I observe I'll participate and post my feelings. I use this place as a gage to where the human race is in it's evolving of consciousness. A learning tool. I appreciate it and everything everyone has to say- good or bad. Because until we can rise above and realize maybe we are all One, I'll continue to come here and 'gage' how we are doing...

Deoxyan 11-04-2008 03:45 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
this forum is just more merchandising and bussiness from my perspective.

that happens because it donīt shows any novelty.

shybastid 11-04-2008 03:57 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Mr. Kent,

I dont think Im taking it out context,when you infer that Bill and Kerry are going "hydroponic"...ie. selling out

I personally know some very good people that are "above ground and underground" that are VERY respectful citizens.
I think it was a cheap shot to infer that they sold out.Im sure I misunderstood.
I have been reading Nexus for YEARS.I dont agree with all their conclusions and synopsis. Ummm But.. They've been very correct, more then incorrect,in so many areas,that Im proud to know Ive read it there first.
If I had a choice of who Id go hang with, or be with ,during the next 5 years,
Nexus People,Avalon,Camelot thinkers???Ill ride the Bike that Powers the Reactor.
ummm What can YOU help contribute?
Show me better..
George Greene? Going South....
Wilcox? Staying Put.........
Me? I'm meeting some very helpful people from one of these "Ground Crews"..that want to know........
Do I have communication prepardness that can work without electricity?
Do I have Good seeds to plant?
Do I have extra gasoline to help?
Shelter??
Food?
Food? How Long do WE think we should Prepare?
As A Ground Crew recovery area?Where/When do we stop sharing?
How do we decide this?

MY POINT?

This is a VERY good tool for just trying to prepare with friends.Not unlike Christians in a church.<<---ex-catholic..more religious now.
I was invited.
I like that.
Looks like Bill and Kerry got invited.. I like that.(Like they WERENT)
I will do what I can to help my Bruthaasss.(Like I would'nt.)
All you people that want to find reasons to create misinformation or not share ..to help the rest of us.. Go Ahead.
We'll be here.

I believe the Ground Crew is an expanding opportunity for us to Grow.

Thanks for being a part I like It.

shybastid 11-04-2008 04:40 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
this forum is just more merchandising and bussiness from my perspective.

that happens because it donīt shows any novelty.



Hey!! Dman!!! Make us a new TShirt!!!

Ill bet you can make a couple of Bucks....

Thats NOT Novel............
Pay your Staff....
and costs.
Ill market it.

After expenses...
Proceeds go to Avalon/Camelot


Its a Concept


Sheesh


What else ya wanna gripe about this site?


Your Move

shybastid 11-04-2008 04:57 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
K Ill shut up.............

But Its Snowing and Lightning up here in Tahoe.Winds HOWLING


Hope... I hit a Chord




Feels right

clarkkent 11-04-2008 05:16 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shybastid (Post 69640)
K Ill shut up.............

But Its Snowing and Lightning up here in Tahoe.Winds HOWLING


Hope... I hit a Chord




Feels right


im not attempting a "cheap shot" im merely referring to the "survival" tone of an "ark" and all that that implies... the elite of the world are doing much the same thing and they have the money to do it as well....good for them, good for bill, im not saying its bad.

there are two ways to go about dealing with whats coming, you can be very attached to this material 3D world and try and hold on with all your might and you funds and do everything to figure out the best way to "survive"

or you follow your intuition to where it tells you you need to be, for some that means staying put, for others that means moving to a small town.

if micheal st clair and bill or kerry have the funds and connections to live in a underground/above ground community 'radiant zones" with hydroponics scientists, farmers and people with a lot of gold then good for them. personally for me if i get demolished by a tsunami because i didnt do my homework on the perfect safe place, then oh well...thats what i was meant to do.

i DO think that they tend to veer towards a more materialistic survival alarmist mind set, but thats their choice and i dont have to vibe with it, they present some good material and i take what resonates with me, thats all.


if thats a "cheap shot", ok, i dont think so but if that works for you go for it.

Tuza 11-04-2008 06:32 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Coffee over there only $2.00 Clarke, over here its from $3.50 to $5.00, ouch.
I do agree with CK about the survivor mode. I have wanted to move out off the grid before PC/PA only because I wanted to be in an environment that suited my personality.

As far as the ground crews go I will give my imput if I'm asked, but my husband (at the moment he still is:mfr_lol:), is getting really p.....d at me for going on to the PC/PA sites as are my children, who are all sceptics.

So it looks like I stay where I am. If I had my choice as I said I would be living off the grid surrounded by nature in my hobbit house of my design, - oh and I would be putting in solar energy - I would spend money on that.

Exzackery.Smith 11-04-2008 06:46 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Quote:

If they remain childish and refuse to respond civilly to your questions then.........guess what.......you can ignore them........who cares what random people say about you on the internet. Honestly. If we continue to ignore the irrational posters, they will find some other outlet for their tantrums and need for attention.
True, and yet if the same poster makes a valid comment, respond because that will set the tone. Forgive and forget. Flames... or if persona attacks become the tone, what will we have here anyway?

shybastid 11-04-2008 07:14 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by clarkkent (Post 69646)
im not attempting a "cheap shot" im merely referring to the "survival" tone of an "ark" and all that that implies... the elite of the world are doing much the same thing and they have the money to do it as well....good for them, good for bill, im not saying its bad.

there are two ways to go about dealing with whats coming, you can be very attached to this material 3D world and try and hold on with all your might and you funds and do everything to figure out the best way to "survive"

or you follow your intuition to where it tells you you need to be, for some that means staying put, for others that means moving to a small town.

if micheal st clair and bill or kerry have the funds and connections to live in a underground/above ground community 'radiant zones" with hydroponics scientists, farmers and people with a lot of gold then good for them. personally for me if i get demolished by a tsunami because i didnt do my homework on the perfect safe place, then oh well...thats what i was meant to do.

i DO think that they tend to veer towards a more materialistic survival alarmist mind set, but thats their choice and i dont have to vibe with it, they present some good material and i take what resonates with me, thats all.


if thats a "cheap shot", ok, i dont think so but if that works for you go for it.

I stand corrected. You sound like a person I'd like to hang out with.
Excuse my mistake.
I feel that Bill and Kerry have done a good job of finding alternative options...if we feel the needs.
Questioning motives or access to new options are not what we're supossed to be asking here...I forgot.
But.......for the the sake of the Best Interest of us All.
Help Show me/us how to make this better.
Im not a Mod.
Just a Ground Crew member.
Cheap Shot just sounds rude...... My apology

Tuza 11-04-2008 07:19 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
I miss that energy too Norval:- Quote:

It looks like about two thirds of the readers and posters have left. We have to ask why?
There were some great minds that first came to this forum and they are gone now. I am
not talking about the "stars of the show", but about those that had something constructive
to add in the way of thoughts and ideas.



They have disappeared and I don't care what anyone says there is an energy missing because of it.

Baggywrinkle 11-04-2008 07:36 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Avalon could be so much more than it is currently.

What I envision is Camelot and Avalon, the open forums as you have now, plus an educational area which might be comprised of a classroom and library/ research complex.
This value added area might be by subscription. It might be a blogging area for research results. There might be
libraries to download and classroom offerings by qualified
individuals. Ham Radio, for example. These areas by their
nature could not be open to drive by commentary. They would need tight decorum as one would expect in a classroom or library.

Too much to ask? The stub is already there in the research section of the moderator area. Undeveloped real estate. Certainly too much to ask for those who
are only here to be entertained or kill time. How many of you actually intend to build a wind generator, buy a
ham radio, or really store food, One in ten? One in a hundred? If your local society really does go Argentina,
there is no doubt you would suddenly be serious. Seriously out of luck. Like those beating on the door of
Noah's ark after the rains began.

There are other forums where this is happening. Some of the better ones you will never see the inside of.
Alpha Rubicon, for example Rubies earn their keep.
Another Voice of Warning. Gotta pay to peep...
Frugal Squirrel is a good one.

But Avalon trumps them all in size and reach if you the
Avalon public can get your you know what together.

Action talks. IMHO....

Evolution22 11-04-2008 07:56 AM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 68409)
I sense that the vibe of Avalon is getting low.
I am concerned.
But, I could be wrong and
that is where you come in.
I believe that communication is the key
and maybe we can get to the source of the issues.
Feel free to express any concerns that you
may have about this Forum.
How can we make Avalon a better
experience for you?

Also, don't forget to participate
in the Poll. We need to know how you
feel about this forum.

This thread was created not to cause debates
but to get answers on how you are feeling about Avalon
and what your goals are in being here.
And if those goals are being fulfilled.

If the Forum turns out to be doing well,
then that is good news.

Thanks,
Kevin - Project Avalon Spiritual Mediator

My 2 cents the moderators need to learn how to moderate. They need to know basic forum rules, and then Avalon site rules. Then FOLLOW them. Bill and Kerry may need to pay web geeks to moderate to get some uniform on this site. I've been on forums for 5 years and the moderation here is sub par.

Also the screen I'm writing on is black and if you need to make a correction you can't see the mouse to click on the correction. Screen behind the quote box needs to be a different color.


p.s. Thank you Bill and Kerry for all the help on Camelot.

shybastid 11-04-2008 12:56 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Baggy?
Very well said.
Im not as elequent as you are.
There's some groups of people from these forums,that are not trying to broadcast their goals and accomplishements.Just getting it done.
Its actually getting more "legs" then I expected or anticipated.Thats a good thing.
Like the "We are the World" sign that was posted before those celebrities
met to sing." Leave your Egos at the Door "....Did they listen? Nahhh

Is Quicney Jones still a good producer? (He produced that Video)
Heck Yeah..He wrote the "Sanford and Son" Theme.He can't be all bad.:lmao:

Midnight Oil 11-04-2008 01:23 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
Bill and Kerry should be more active in their forum, whenever the boss leaves the office for vacation, personnel starts to loose its course. Believe me I own a business and know how things go down when you are not around. Our forums are fairly new, we should give it and the mods sometime to sum things up. I'm sure things will get back in course with time.

vega 11-04-2008 01:32 PM

Re: How Do You Feel About This Forum?
 
It appears Project Camelot has been infiltrated and contaminated wth serious disinformation. The real agenda seems to be very different.

This has adversely affected the avalon forum which has developed a rather negative hue.


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