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watchZEITGEISTnow 09-13-2008 03:11 AM

**COPIED FROM JL FORUM as per Bill ** 911 no planes?
 
Hey John, 911 was the injection that woke me up. The no plane theory is really hard for me to understand, can you please explain your theory on how it was done, I did watch the youtube videos on it, and to be honest, I don't know what to think.

Thanks for your time,

Z

SirKnight 09-14-2008 02:54 AM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
The one thing I do know is that a plane just can't melt into a steel building like it did on 911.

:biggrin2:

THE eXchanger 09-14-2008 03:07 AM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
part 1 of - no planes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sElG-J3RlEs

part 2 of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmyL_...eature=related

part 3 a
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fewyd...eature=related

part 3 b
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq3bN...eature=related

9-11 mathematics
what you see if what you get
(i love mathematics) ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLAMo...eature=related

brightest blessings of energy, light and love to all

susan
white lotus star
the eXchanger

zorgon 09-14-2008 06:17 AM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Hmmm another Red Head from Canada eh? :tongue2:

NO PLANES

Read my lips N O - P L A N E S

So now you want evidence...

Exhibit One "The Amazing Vanishing Airplane"

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../Frame_013.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../Frame_014.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../Frame_015.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../Frame_016.png

An Orange Flash..

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../Frame_017.png

Still No Hole

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../Frame_018.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../Frame_019.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../Frame_020.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../Frame_021.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../Frame_022.png



Exhibit Two - "Wonder Woman"

It has been said the fire from the burning airplane fuel was hot enough to cause huge steel girders to 'buckle'... despite the fact that the jet fuel burned up in 10 seconds... as fuel tends to do... one big fireball..

Here is a picture of the 'hole' created by the plane... This is minutes after the explosion... you can see a small office fire in the upper floor on the left... you can see the center supports still intact but there is NO MORE FIRE in the collision area...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...mpact-area.jpg

Have a closer look...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_.../woman_wtc.jpg

Still not seeing it? Try this...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...full_large.jpg

Minutes after the explosion ... the building still standing and the fire out in the hole caused by the 'airplane' and here is Wonder Woman... white pants... no signs of having just survived a huge fireball and holding on to metal so hot it buckled and collapsed

THE eXchanger 09-14-2008 06:22 AM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zorgon (Post 11053)
Hmmm another Red Head from Canada eh? :tongue2:

:mfr_omg: it is obvious !!! :mfr_lol::welcomeani:zorgon

good reporting !!!

brightest blessings...
susan
the eXchanger

zorgon 09-14-2008 06:50 AM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Exhibit Three - The Shanksville "Crater"


What are these people actually doing?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...terReuters.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...anksville1.jpg

News 4 coverage right after the 'crash' of Flight 93

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...esville002.JPG

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...esville003.JPG

Emergency Response Team (one lone volunteer firetruck) anxiously looking for survivors

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...nksville_7.jpg

Fire cause by crashing Airplane and debris field

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...nksville16.JPG

Photo of crater time stamped 9-12-01

http://killtown.911review.org/images...rater-epa2.jpg

zorgon 09-14-2008 06:56 AM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Exhibit Four - "The Amazing Pentagon Lawn"


Where is the plane and flying debris at moment of impact?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...n_Lawn_001.png

FBI 'bagging' the debris :lmao:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...s/911/8083.jpg

Got more but those two are my favorites

THE eXchanger 09-14-2008 07:08 AM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
it was a hologram...
NOT, a plane that you saw

it sure was a fly-by
and, it's one, that isn't going to fly bye

:mfr_omg: why waste a plane,
when you plainLY do NOT have to

(pardon the puns)

and, then, they think, people will sleep through it :sleep_1:

:biggrin2::biggrin2::biggrin2:
surpriSe - SurpriSe - SurpriSe

people are waking up...
all, the greed, that has gone into the making of america,
selling people, lots and lots of toys...
as, many as, they will buy
even better, if you give them credit
and, extend that, to the point,
that they can barely swim

well the information age, that we are in,
they NEVER counted on people walking around,
with the toys--their "greed machines"
(all the cameras, videocams, etc.,
on the streets) appear to be
actually being used against them

it looks very good on them...doesn't it !!!

now, isn't this a step in the right direction :)

:thumb_yello: this is fabulous "good stuff"

The truth it is, being told
and, there is NO discounting this stuff

as, i said before -- this is eXcellent reporting :)

brightest blessings
susan
the eXchanger

steve_johnson#985907-1 09-14-2008 11:46 AM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
constantly in the world they let out information of what they are technologically capable of what they do to deceive the mind in a passive manner. if you slightly pay attention to their press you can learn a lot about your enemy. holograms are nothing new. i could really care less about it but if you paid attention you might have noticed the trickery being played out in the olympics. the fireworks were fake. they were merely an illusion. nobody could tell until it was reported but it was sold to the people there and the people on televersion. they looked real felt real and sounded real. believe john lear. he speaks truth.

Mike_Jetson 09-14-2008 11:48 AM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
The building damage is always pictured as going inwards. Its a tough one to explain without something hitting it

EYES WIDE OPEN 09-14-2008 11:52 AM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
no planes? - absolute nonsense. PSY-OPS trying to discredit the truth movment. Dont fall for it. Just ask henry deacon.

johnlear 09-14-2008 05:49 PM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (Post 11285)
no planes? - absolute nonsense. PSY-OPS trying to discredit the truth movment. Dont fall for it. Just ask henry deacon.

Thanks for the input EWO.

Henry is just reporting accurately what he saw. Not what actually happened. Henry was thousands of miles away.

But regardless of who was where between all four alleged airplanes there had to be about 9.6 million parts each of which was identifiable by a part or serial number. That is an FAA requirement because each little or big part on an 14 CFR Part 25 Certificated airplane nothing is used in the manufacture, NOTHING, without a provenance of the history of that part. Furthermore each mart has to be identified wither by stamp and nameplate was the part no. is and who the manufacturer was.

In addition to this there was 300 miles of wiring of which each and every 6 inches was stamped with a code that identified where that wire was placed in the airplane. In addition to that and not included in the 9.6 million parts there were many hundreds of thousands of rivets.

Now an airplane rivet has to meet exact specifications in its manufacture and those specifications are stamped on the head of each rivet. You can pick up any rivet and tell by the stamp where it was used and how it was used.

Now each airplane, of the four, has 2 engines, thats a total of 8 engines. None was found in Shanksville, oh yes, I remember, there was a turbine disk that miraculously appeared in the backhoe bucket. One turbine disk out of two 3 ton engines? Thats a joke, right?

In the World Trade Center there should have been 4 engines each weighing about 4 tons each with an enormous fan measuring almost 8 feet on the front.

Here is a photo of the same type engine, which was attached to an MD-11 which plunged almost straight into the ocean at 400 mph. See that fan? It's very difficult to dislodge from the shaft.


http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1...aireng1fc9.jpg



OK, so now my point is if there were really airplanes that crashed at the Pentagon, Shanksville or the World Trade Center where are the parts?

We all saw the engine from Murray Street but no serial or part numbers off of the thousands of parts on it. No big crack in the street where it landed after sailing through the air from a height of 800 feet and several blocks. Some have identified that Murray street engine as a CFM-56 used on Boeing 737's and DC-8's. But it could not have come off UAL Flight 175 for the simple reason that even if you argued that he CFM 56 was a predecessor of the CF-6, and that some parts were identical, the CF-6 was on American Airlines Boeing 767's. Not on UAL Boeing 767's. UAL used Pratt and Whitney JT9D's.

So it's impossible for any airplane, either a Boeing 757 or Boeing 767 to have crashed anywhere on 911.

The threat that the no-plane theory is a PsyOp to discredit the truth movement I hope is true for all the good they are doing.:)

kayak 09-14-2008 07:54 PM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Thanks, John, for marshaling your aeronautical knowledge to present an "open-and-shut" case in the world court of evidence about the cause(s) of the 9/11 event at the WTC. You represent a breath of fresh air in this "courtroom" of highly polluted thermodynamic dust.

I am Kayak.

Mike_Jetson 09-14-2008 11:36 PM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
I fully agree no planes for Shanksville & Pentagon. For planes to have hit the WTCs then they would most certainly have to be smaller planes. The only reason for lack of parts at the WTC if there were planes were the same reason you gave for the weapons used. Scalar or some other weapon could have turned the evidence to dust just like most of the building.

I am coming round to the idea but I think if 2 buildings turn mostly to dust the planes could have too

johnlear 09-15-2008 12:46 AM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_Jetson (Post 12152)
I fully agree no planes for Shanksville & Pentagon. For planes to have hit the WTCs then they would most certainly have to be smaller planes. The only reason for lack of parts at the WTC if there were planes were the same reason you gave for the weapons used. Scalar or some other weapon could have turned the evidence to dust just like most of the building.

I am coming round to the idea but I think if 2 buildings turn mostly to dust the planes could have too


So why bother to use even small planes? Video fakery is so easy. How are you going to get small planes to crash right where the Wile E. Coyote cartoon cutouts are? Remote control might be accurate but its not that accurate.

Nope. There were no planes that crashed into the WTC. It was a hoax. An illusion.

EYES WIDE OPEN 09-15-2008 11:45 AM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
http://www.nomoregames.net/911/helpi...TC5_debris.jpg

johnlear 09-15-2008 12:45 PM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (Post 12697)

That photo was taken on top of Building 5 on the second or third day.

The alleged aircraft debris was not there on the first day.

If the fuselage 'flew' inside the WTC in 2/5ths of a second how is it that a piece of the fuselage remained uncrushed, managed to get back outside the building, then over to Buliding 5. Is this a joke?

You are going to have to do better than this eyeswideopen. This is stuff we have been over hundreds of times.

EYES WIDE OPEN 09-15-2008 01:57 PM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
John, no need to get touchy my freind. Dont make it personal.

The burden of proof does not lay with me.

what do you think of this:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5AC0A9679C8B63

"One worker who had tunneled into the debris said he had found the remains of people strapped into what seemed to be airplane seats"

also how do you know The aircraft debris was not there on the first day? Can you link please....? :)

arcora 09-15-2008 02:16 PM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
I was banned from a popular forum for wondering out loud if the planes actually existed.

I still don't have an opinion - but there is a powerful force trying to classify the no plane theory as outlandish.

Why?

zorgon 09-15-2008 04:02 PM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike_Jetson (Post 11284)
The building damage is always pictured as going inwards. Its a tough one to explain without something hitting it

Well not really A window cleaner 'could' have pre placed special chargers and no one would have noticed... months before

Widow cleaners are 'invisible'

It is interesting to note that one window cleaner was interviewed because for some reason he stayed home that day... He would have been at work on that building if he hadn't

There is ALWAYS another explanation...

johnlear 09-15-2008 04:10 PM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by arcora (Post 12806)
I was banned from a popular forum for wondering out loud if the planes actually existed.

I still don't have an opinion - but there is a powerful force trying to classify the no plane theory as outlandish.

Why?


Because much of the scare tactics of tomorrow depend on the use of holographic technology. Things like "Attacks by Flying Saucers From Outer Space".
If people were to start thinking seriously about holographic technology and that the WTC planes may have been holographic images they might then question the images of "Flying Saucers From Outer Space" that our government might be alleging are go to attack us.

Its very possible that only video fakery was used in the 911 airplane crash hoax. The government probably never suspected that the 'holographic image' issue would ever even get started.

And that is why they come down so hard. When I first introduced the idea on a forum I used to post on I couldn't believe the number of posters that came down on me and came down hard. It was like I pushed the doomsday button. Even the traitoress Valhalla chimed in. :)

johnlear 09-15-2008 04:19 PM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN (Post 12790)
John, no need to get touchy my freind. Dont make it personal.

The burden of proof does not lay with me.

what do you think of this:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...5AC0A9679C8B63

"One worker who had tunneled into the debris said he had found the remains of people strapped into what seemed to be airplane seats"

also how do you know The aircraft debris was not there on the first day? Can you link please....? :)


I am not taking this personal eyes wide open but its obvious you have just fallen off the turnip truck.

All of the nonsense you are posting has been covered in detail over the past several years. If you want to know exactly why there could never have been any airplanes crashing into the World Trade Center on 911 you have only to read my 15 page affidavit submitted to the New York District Court Southern Division on January 28, 2008 which you can find anywhere on the web.

So let me respectfully make this suggestion: either you climb back on the turnip truck and go back to where you came from or do your own linking and quit wasting my time.

Thanks and all the best, Henry. :)

zorgon 09-15-2008 04:19 PM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by steve_johnson#985907-1 (Post 11281)
i could really care less about it but if you paid attention you might have noticed the trickery being played out in the olympics. the fireworks were fake. they were merely an illusion.

:yikes:

No I wasn't paying attention... I 'boycotted' the Chinese olympics... why they ever got them is totally beyond me with there human rights issues...

But thanks I will have to look that up and see what I can find...

As to the technology to pull this off...

DoD 1999 budget report...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...USARMY_900.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_...RMY_02_900.png


Maxwell AFB Report... sorry cannot direct link as its a secure page that plays havock with posts...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_..._Projector.png

zorgon 09-15-2008 05:16 PM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
I want to add one more 'angle' to the motivation behind all this...

Every good gumshoe detective will always tell you... "Follow the Money"

Okay so let's follow the money...

Everyone knows by now that Silverstein wanted to get rid of the buildings. They were in fact loosing money but to demolish them would have cost hundreds of millions...

So how convenient for him that they had an 'accident' And funny thing just before the 'accident' he INCREASED the insurance coverage... and after the 'accident' he collected DOUBLE because there were TWO 'attacks'

But hey nothing suspicious in that right? :lmao:

But lets look at the BIG money

On September 10th, 2001 Rumsfeld made an announcement...

The Pentagon budget is MISSING 3.5 TRILLION DOLLARS and on top of that 25% of all DoD spending is "unaccounted' for...

He does the nobel thing... calls for an investigation to get to the bottom of this and stop it...

But the very next day... it's all forgotten about and Bush comes on TV and asks for BILLIONS more in defense spending to "Get them Terrorists"

And we bought it ... hook line and sinker... even though Bin Laden had nothing to do with 911 nor did he have anything to do with Iraq...

3.5 Trillion Dollars Missing
9/10/2001

CBS NEWS
9/10/2001: Rumsfeld says $2.3 TRILLION Missing from Pentagon
Pentagon admits $2.3 Trillion missing and Rumsfeld calls it a matter of "life and death."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xU4GdHLUHwU

C-SPAN
McKinney Grills Rumsfeld
Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney grills Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on the Pentagon's missing trillions, DynCorp's slave trade, and the 9/11 wargames.
House Hearing on FY06 Dept. of Defense Budget, March 11, 2005.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eootfzAhAoU

Rumsfeld says Flight 93 was "shot down."
In a candid moment in front of U.S. troops, Donald Rumsfeld strays from the official story of heroic passengers flying fight 93 into the ground by saying it was "shot down."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0

Now the investigation for the "Missing Money"... the team and all the records were housed in the Pentagon... yup right in that section that also had an 'accident'

Move along now folkes nothing to see here... business as usual...

zorgon 09-15-2008 05:30 PM

Re: 911 no planes?
 
Anyone here remember ENRON and the investigation?

What ever happened to that story?

Well it seems the investigation team and all the records for that investigation, as well as several other companies being investigated were all housed in WTC 7

Now how about that for a coincidence?

Tower 7 also contained offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud corporate, including Enron’s), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank’s Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions.

http://onlinejournal.com/artman/publ...cle_1261.shtml


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