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Fredkc · 09-21-2009, 06:41 PM

What I haven't seen, so far, is a place to post/share comments on, what and who spoke to people from the meet. So I decided Id start one and see if it grew legs.

Mods, I was torn about where to put this. Sunday's doings was a Camelot thing. The subject is of the "ground crew" variety. If you can think of a better place to put this, hop to it.

From Camelot, Page 1: "Archived unedited live video streams of all speakers - including rare, high quality presentations from Alex Collier, Jordan Maxwell, and Duncan O'Finioan (with David Corso) - are available here. Enjoy. "

As of 9:00 AM Monday morning I still cannot locate streams for either Maxwell's or Wilcock's talks. I hope they follow soon.

And so...

As I type this, I am now listening to Alex Collier from Sunday for the third time. It was the first time I'd heard him. Yes, I know there is much avail. by/about him on the Web, I'll get to it, But for now I have this. Wow!

Alex could not have tailored a talk to hit any closer to home for me than the one he gave. We are all born, carrying with us, what I call events fixed upon innate truths. Things we've always "known" since birth; things that go beyond our childhood fantasies; things that endure. A couple of them came into play re. both this entire subject Camelot deals in, and Collier's talk as well.

First, I have known, ever since I can remember, that I would not see death again, before a transition came upon this planet. Mitigate, postpone, or sublimate this how you wish, it is a change, a fundamental one, with all that implies.

Second, it's been apparent to me that this would include a part in helping shepherd a group through this change, and some "new beginning" on this here rock. Colllier said something similar, yesterday, and I have always accepted it as a given:

"There is a destiny for the human race in the stars." Bob Dean

I also "know" that once this is done, I am once again "free to choose", or to choose again. And that the choice will be among the stars.

But the change upon us has, and requires a practical side as well. Trying to put this into words here... and what comes to mind is the parable of a smart old hippie named Steven Gaston, which I will throw in here for free.

You can stand on this here rock, both feet firmly planted on the ground, head into the wind, and eventually your "monkey self" will come to a place where you're sure you have a pretty good grip on things.

But the surer that grip, the better it is, the sooner you'll come to the question that there must be something more. Cast about and you'll eventually see the high tension wire above and just out of reach. Sooner or later everyone makes a grab for it.

What you get is that initial "high" from all that juice you'd felt before as only a trickle. "Wheeeee!" The trick is to once again ask yourself, "Is that all there is?"With the question will come the realization that your feet have probably left the ground.

We are in a duality. While it may be our fate, it is not our ultimate destiny. We cannot be content, just living out the "monkey life", yet to simply grab the wire leaves us literally "flapping in the breeze".

Here begins some of the growth what put us all here. because only in coming to grips with both these aspect of our life, hands on the wire, feet on the ground, do we become part of the conduit.

Here I would also add something from a book I've fallen in love with "The Disappearance Of The Universe":

"Trust not your good intentions. They are not enough. But trust implicitly your willingness, whatever else may enter. Concentrate only on this, and be not disturbed by what shadows surround it. They are why you came."

Collier spoke to my "practical nature" as well as the rest of my life. Something that may have seemed silly to some in his talk, was asking a questioner to kneel for a second. "Now, do you want to go through the rest of your life like that? Then stand up. and Stand Up!"

It strikes me as an important thing to add that, while we cannot get through this change "on our knees", neither will we make it by just sitting in the lotus position (see parable above). That we are "part" of this duality, or we wouldn't be here. Denial is not a valid path, forgiveness/ acceptance is key. "Evil cannot be killed, only redeemed."

This brings me to another important snippet. "We ARE in a duality!" - Collier

Whatever the source for "other worlders" here, in space, time, space/time, whatever, the fact is that, just like us, they are here. Whether they see, know, or experience "more" of it than us right now must always be tempered by that fact that like some "cosmic belly button" they're holding a membership card, the same as we do.

They are members, and participants in this duality. D. Wilcock did an excellent job of pointing out much physical evidence of this coming change, and the physics thereof. This did not simply begin with our ability to notice, and measure it. It is also cyclical in nature. It is a coming period of "chaos".

So now, put a larger group into the "we" in that given; "We are in a duality". Add in the fact that it was probably known to other beings long before we knew. That this impending chaotic period will attract beings for all the reasons "duality" implies. I am left with the conclusion that assuming that all these beings are here for "only good" reasons is fairy tale, at best.

The closest I could be lured would be the notion that some are here for reasons that could best be defined as "neutral", or "indifferent". Yet I remain thoroughly convinced that, as sure as it is "upon us", that the outcome is just as surely ours to choose.

Lastly, to the notion that "we are all programmed". Remember what Collier said towards the end. "They can not kill you! They can only kill this [points to his body]".

For all their efforts, they can only program "meat", and the field that surrounds it. They can try to affect your choices but; take a step back. Remember who you are... choose again.

If you need some "universal law" to believe this, than keep in mind that we are part and parcel of the eternal spirit created by God. That in his perfection did not create imperfection, nor would he choose it for his creation, nor abandon us to it.

"If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask for a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? If ye then know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"

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Geez! This turned out longer than what I began. Here's hoping others can and will add reactions to other speakers from Sunday.

If and when the Maxwell, and Wilcock talks become available, please add links to this thread as well.

Fred

09-21-2009, 06:41 PM	#1
Fredkc Project Avalon Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Riverside, ca. Posts: 898	Awake & Aware Sunday and beyond. What I haven't seen, so far, is a place to post/share comments on, what and who spoke to people from the meet. So I decided Id start one and see if it grew legs. Mods, I was torn about where to put this. Sunday's doings was a Camelot thing. The subject is of the "ground crew" variety. If you can think of a better place to put this, hop to it. Next: From Camelot, Page 1: "Archived unedited live video streams of all speakers - including rare, high quality presentations from Alex Collier, Jordan Maxwell, and Duncan O'Finioan (with David Corso) - are available here. Enjoy. " As of 9:00 AM Monday morning I still cannot locate streams for either Maxwell's or Wilcock's talks. I hope they follow soon. And so... As I type this, I am now listening to Alex Collier from Sunday for the third time. It was the first time I'd heard him. Yes, I know there is much avail. by/about him on the Web, I'll get to it, But for now I have this. Wow! Alex could not have tailored a talk to hit any closer to home for me than the one he gave. We are all born, carrying with us, what I call events fixed upon innate truths. Things we've always "known" since birth; things that go beyond our childhood fantasies; things that endure. A couple of them came into play re. both this entire subject Camelot deals in, and Collier's talk as well. First, I have known, ever since I can remember, that I would not see death again, before a transition came upon this planet. Mitigate, postpone, or sublimate this how you wish, it is a change, a fundamental one, with all that implies. Second, it's been apparent to me that this would include a part in helping shepherd a group through this change, and some "new beginning" on this here rock. Colllier said something similar, yesterday, and I have always accepted it as a given: "There is a destiny for the human race in the stars." Bob Dean I also "know" that once this is done, I am once again "free to choose", or to choose again. And that the choice will be among the stars. But the change upon us has, and requires a practical side as well. Trying to put this into words here... and what comes to mind is the parable of a smart old hippie named Steven Gaston, which I will throw in here for free. You can stand on this here rock, both feet firmly planted on the ground, head into the wind, and eventually your "monkey self" will come to a place where you're sure you have a pretty good grip on things. But the surer that grip, the better it is, the sooner you'll come to the question that there must be something more. Cast about and you'll eventually see the high tension wire above and just out of reach. Sooner or later everyone makes a grab for it. What you get is that initial "high" from all that juice you'd felt before as only a trickle. "Wheeeee!" The trick is to once again ask yourself, "Is that all there is?"With the question will come the realization that your feet have probably left the ground. We are in a duality. While it may be our fate, it is not our ultimate destiny. We cannot be content, just living out the "monkey life", yet to simply grab the wire leaves us literally "flapping in the breeze". Here begins some of the growth what put us all here. because only in coming to grips with both these aspect of our life, hands on the wire, feet on the ground, do we become part of the conduit. Here I would also add something from a book I've fallen in love with "The Disappearance Of The Universe": "Trust not your good intentions. They are not enough. But trust implicitly your willingness, whatever else may enter. Concentrate only on this, and be not disturbed by what shadows surround it. They are why you came." Collier spoke to my "practical nature" as well as the rest of my life. Something that may have seemed silly to some in his talk, was asking a questioner to kneel for a second. "Now, do you want to go through the rest of your life like that? Then stand up. and Stand Up!" It strikes me as an important thing to add that, while we cannot get through this change "on our knees", neither will we make it by just sitting in the lotus position (see parable above). That we are "part" of this duality, or we wouldn't be here. Denial is not a valid path, forgiveness/ acceptance is key. "Evil cannot be killed, only redeemed." This brings me to another important snippet. "We ARE in a duality!" - Collier Whatever the source for "other worlders" here, in space, time, space/time, whatever, the fact is that, just like us, they are here. Whether they see, know, or experience "more" of it than us right now must always be tempered by that fact that like some "cosmic belly button" they're holding a membership card, the same as we do. They are members, and participants in this duality. D. Wilcock did an excellent job of pointing out much physical evidence of this coming change, and the physics thereof. This did not simply begin with our ability to notice, and measure it. It is also cyclical in nature. It is a coming period of "chaos". So now, put a larger group into the "we" in that given; "We are in a duality". Add in the fact that it was probably known to other beings long before we knew. That this impending chaotic period will attract beings for all the reasons "duality" implies. I am left with the conclusion that assuming that all these beings are here for "only good" reasons is fairy tale, at best. The closest I could be lured would be the notion that some are here for reasons that could best be defined as "neutral", or "indifferent". Yet I remain thoroughly convinced that, as sure as it is "upon us", that the outcome is just as surely ours to choose. Lastly, to the notion that "we are all programmed". Remember what Collier said towards the end. "They can not kill you! They can only kill this [points to his body]". For all their efforts, they can only program "meat", and the field that surrounds it. They can try to affect your choices but; take a step back. Remember who you are... choose again. If you need some "universal law" to believe this, than keep in mind that we are part and parcel of the eternal spirit created by God. That in his perfection did not create imperfection, nor would he choose it for his creation, nor abandon us to it. "If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask for a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? If ye then know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" ___________________________________ Geez! This turned out longer than what I began. Here's hoping others can and will add reactions to other speakers from Sunday. If and when the Maxwell, and Wilcock talks become available, please add links to this thread as well. Fred __________________ "Life IS mystical! It's just that we're used to it" Evil cannot be killed. Only redeemed. Chat us up at: Avalon Chat Last edited by Fredkc; 09-21-2009 at 09:17 PM.