Wilcock Lies Proven

In David Wilcock's recent Project Camelot interview via phone, he said that Francis Bacon's writings inspired Christopher Columbus. Spain had one hundred years of professional colonialism under its belt before Bacon had recognition in England. My question is simply this: If Wilcock, a self proclaimed expert, can get such facts about the supposed "father of the illuminati" wrong, how are we supposed to accept his other words as legitimate?

I want the truth, just like you all do. I asked John lear to publish some of his "proof," and he ignored me. Wilcock is wrong in his statements (I am a professional historian who has studied Bacon - Bacon was born 80 years or so after Columbus met the Arawak at San Salvador). Beware who you accept as truth bringers, that is all I'm saying.


What are your thoughts on this?

[Ampgod]

I ,personally, think that David Wilcock is very interesting.
However, I think he has taking his deal way to far.
To listen to him with an open mind is fine.
To believe all he says, I would caution against.


Ampgod

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

seems quite positive, but i take all camelot interveiws with an open mind. not questioning his spiritual expertice. i take his stuff in context with all other info. like benjamin fullford seems to be in on the asian side and doesnt get the whole picture. we are lucky to have the access to all this info to make an even more informed choice about it all than the individual "experts". thanks bill and kerry

Let me just say as well, thank you Bill and Kerry for giving Wilcock, and myself, a forum to discuss these incredibly important topics.

However, we need truth. People like Wilcock make me really mad. If he is so fundamentally wrong on such an important figure ("father of the modern illuminati), what else is he wrong about? He claims to be a researcher. He gets money to speak in public arenas. Who agrees that he should be called out on this?

I want the truth, and from the evidence I have reviewed (documentary, both paper and interviews), there is a government cover up. Just for starters, there was something at Roswell that the U.S. government doesn't want to come clean about. However, as citizen of the universe who hates on-one, recognizes my own circumstances as the product of my decisions, and desires nothing more than to just be an honest guy, I really can't stand liars. I can't stand those who would take advantage of those seekers who want nothing more than the truth.

Truth is what we all hunt for, especially here, and I think Wilcock - after that last Project Camelot interview - is just muddying the waters. That, I think, is the truth. What you all have to ask yourselves is this: Is it intentional, or just a "mistake." Consider the disinformation factor.

The HistoryCircus (Because history is full of clowns)

So, let me get this straight, I find that something that someone said is flat out wrong, and by saying "sir, you are wrong," that indicates that there is something wrong with me? Get real. Are you familiar with the Marxian process of the "dialectic"? That is, as a species, how stuff gets done. I say something, you agree or disagree, and we move forward. Just because I have proven inconsistancies in someones story does not mean that I have some personality defect. It just, in this case, means that I read, and have a handle on chronological possibilities/impossibilities. Because I call someone out on an obvious misstatement, I have a defect? Again, get real.

Anyone else?

Originally Posted by historycircus

Are you familiar with the Marxian process of the "dialectic"? That is, as a species, how stuff gets done. I say something, you agree or disagree, and we move forward.

To the point. Let's do that then....

Before we ask if David is verified in his takes upon the past, perhaps we all (in simple logic) would ask where is your proof to dispove him. Furthermore how do we know how to in fact verify any such information from the past lest we were there (should you wish to be a true sceptic). We all feel truth that resonates within us first, not because someone says it is true. Or what a book has told us!

I know David personally and he does not ********. He will look right through your ********, with love might I add. I suggest that you show us your proof first. Your accolaides as a historian, your proof etc... Otherwise I suggest that you step up and present your case in full.

People are not ALL stupid my friend.

Love Nelson

[EchosLament]

I don't believe that one person has all the pieces to the puzzle.

David is a warm and positive light on a harsh world. No matter what his 'lies' may be, if someone believes something to be true... and professes them, then they aren't lying.

I do NOT think he is lying. I do not think he is crazy, and I do not think he is trying to pull the wool over our eyes.

He gives us a reason to think, and examine things more closely. He gives hope, in a world that is lacking as do most of the witnesses here.

Ok, now that Deacon has replied, let me just say this.

As a historian, I get really mad when someone who claims to be an expert in the future and timelines gets something so fundamentally wrong as thinking that Francis Bacon inspired the voyages of Columbus. Whatever that may mean (or not mean to those who really have no good grounding in history) for most, I get really disturbed by it. Here is a guy who knows about "Jump rooms" and such, and gets wrong what any sixth grade text book will show. It might not be disinformation as intentionally designed, but it is misinformation that raises red flags. And, by the way, the pineal gland is not shaped like a pine cone. My brother, and one of my closest friends, are both in med school. They both, independently of each other, had to do the human dissection thing. The pineal gland is a pile of goo - shaped like nothing more than a pile of goo.

Now, Mr. Deacon, if you really have the info you say you do, I ask you this: Is your secrecy really all that important? You don't want anyone you know to get hurt. But, if you don't get serious about putting out proof, they will anyway. I have kids - a family that I love and cherish more than anything - but I would put them in danger in a heartbeat to reveal - with proof - what is crucial for our species to survive. The people you know are damned if you do, and damned if you don't. So accept that, and start putting info out in the mainstream media so damning that they couldn't afford to ignore it.

Hey Crewhand,

Francis Bacon did not exist as a human being until almost a hundred years after Columbus set sail in 1492. Just a fact. No argument from anyone about these facts - until you.

Hey Exxchanger - you're totally wierd and make almost no sense at all. Will you add me to your friends list?

[SkyWatcher]

Dear History Circus:
As a professional historian, let alone a professional teacher, you do our profession a service by stooping down to a base level of snide remarks because people do not agree with you. Yes, you may be right, but you are missing the point, people make mistakes. You take a hard line approach and any student will back away.
Put your facts out there, thus stated, let them stand for themselves. No one is questioning your integrity. A historian, like most teachers know that there are various stories to be told, and depending upon who is telling the story (i.e., victor, the vanquished, etc.) the story will change.
Thank you for your facts. We appreciate the effort you put out on our behalf to educate and enlighten us.
Blessings and Peace,
Nancy

So, I'm not the only one who has been put off by Wilcock's demeanor in recent interviews?

And, that he can't back up any of his claims with proof?

Oh, and by the way, it is a pile of goo. A very important pile of goo, but not shaped like a pine cone. Sorry. It is not shaped like a pine cone.

And, I did not "stoop" as Nancy is claiming. Nancy, if you are a historian, then you know that most - 99 %- of our fellow historians are not writing anything that they do not believe - - even if it is wrong.

I want truth. Is Wilcock an avenue to it?

[Dantheman62]

KNOWLEDGE IS LIKE A CARNIVAL, PICK THE BEST RIDE AND GO WITH IT!!!!! Thanks, Thank You, Thank You Very Much!

You know what you are a dis info piece of s**t. You provide no truth, which I had asked. Present nothing but negative vibes. Are not loving. Wish to do nothing but argue, so fine! You I am sure coopperate with others well while in diress. You know all the answers, so who cares abouty right or wrong. Your personality is egotistical, bias, non-loving, and truly selfish. Weather David is correct or incorrect is suddenly irrelevant at this juncture. For in the grand picture the past is totally irrelevant and forgivable. To be right shall in fact make you wrong, to accept all is rewarded ten fold my friend. Go ahead and be right in your own mind (you did not live then and / or witness either truth of falsity- that is a fact) so who are you to say. Also any book written could be interpreted any number of ways.

Watch your EGO cowboy,!

Nelson

[GregorArturo]

Bangarang crewwhand (I love this positive support! Happy thoughts)

[Dantheman62]

I like your comments G.A. PEACE!

[SkyWatcher]

Yes, there is a lot of false historical information. Depending upon which book is read, thesis, etc. a fact can be overlooked or mistaken. Please, let your facts stand, and forward any pertinent research that you feel is needed by David Wilcock.

It is my feeling at this time that this thread, due to the animosity, should be killed. It is not in keeping with the Project Avalon/Camelot spirit.
Blessing and Peace,
Nancy

[dragonfly]

Originally Posted by SkyWatcher

It is my feeling at this time that this thread, due to the animosity, should be killed. It is not in keeping with the Project Avalon/Camelot spirit.
Blessing and Peace,
Nancy

Here here! I agree. You guys are intense. Why don't you ask David himself before such an accusitory attitude? Yeeeuk.

I'm going where the love is.

Yes yes, lets end the thread, and embrace the same sense of censorship embraced by mainstream media - because the opinions are not acceptable to the majority. Let's kill thread because you do not agree whith them.

Exxchanger, help me. More to come in a few.

[danny]

Originally Posted by skywatcher

it is my feeling at this time that this thread, due to the animosity, should be killed. It is not in keeping with the project avalon/camelot spirit.
Blessing and peace,
nancy

great idea well said

Originally Posted by historycircus

I want truth. Is Wilcock an avenue to it?

Ha! Um no, but you yourself are.

(don't take me out of context now...)

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Hey Exxchanger - you're totally wierd and make almost no sense at all. Will you add me to your friends list?

sometimes, the 13th post, is just NOT a lucky charm !!!


brightest blessings

susan
the eXchanger

[danny]

i thought this forum was to join forces and network for the possitive future of this planet not try to nitpick details and talk down to people cause they havent read the same books as you. or people who happen to be a little more feeling oriented than yourself.everything historical that u know was told to you by someone so theres no need to bring your anger over imperfection in here.

[rustanddust]

short little comment--I'm taking anatomy&physiology classes and the pineal gland isn't a pile of goo, its just a little pea sized nubbin deep in the brain. what exactly did your brother and friend say? I would suppose the internal structure of a human body thats been dead for some time would be pretty different to a living breathing persons'.

Who are to you allow us to assume such info you present is true. State your facts and your sources so that we may determine thier legitamacyy. I could blow pigs from my a** and many would believe it. Dis info is a popular thing now a day. Again, state your claim and source of info to discredit David. Further more these dates and text have been greatly distortoted so that it may fall in line with "The Agenda" that is wished to be presented for the interpretaion of the masses. In fact since your such a great historian I am certain that you would choose to believe that the Bible was never distorted. I would beg your opinion on that. Then I will personally guage your level of understanding.

Please remit a response.
Nelson