Who is Barack Obama

Unified Serenity · 06-24-2009, 05:44 PM

Barack Obama came out of nowhere to become the President. He has refused to disclose documents proving his American birth. Prior to his winning the Presidency (or it being given to him) he accomplished little to nothing in his college endeavors or career except to be named to positions of leadership. This article provides some interesting information.

And I beheld another beast

How much was the bible manipulated eons ago by the ptw? How much is prophecy? The coincidences in the Koran, Islamic writings, and the bible are thought inspiring. Have we been given the leader to solidify the ptw plans?

I look forward to any thoughtful replies.

tone3jaguar · 06-24-2009, 11:53 PM

If there was any actual proof that he is not an american all you would have to do is watch Fox news because they would talk about it all day.

Unified Serenity · 06-25-2009, 12:19 AM

You can't prove a negative. Obama has paid out millions to stop all efforts to obtain his college records, birth certificate, and the plethora of court cases demanding these records be released. His Occidental college records will reveal if he received a scholarship under a foreign student status. His real birth certificate (if there is one) has not been released. Obama released a certificate of live birth which has issues a forgery expert found in the document. A certificate of live birth in Hawaii such as Obama's does not prove anything. In fact if you have a real birth certificate from a hospital then why would one need a "certificate of live birth"? Obama appears from all of his actions to be hiding something. It might not matter to many people, but it is a requirement to be the President of America that one must be a natural born citizen, not a dual citizen or a naturalized citizen.

So, you are correct there is no proof because all of the avenues to get to the truth have been blocked. Now, back to the article I referred to, I 'd like input on that and not this birth certificate issue. If you want to read ad nauseam about it, go to worldnetdaily.com as they talk about it in great depth.

Anchor · 06-25-2009, 01:09 AM

There are other places to discuss the Obama conspiracy on Camelot. We can either move this thread there, or we can keep the thread on a spiritual aspect of the topic (which I believe was the original intent).

Unified Serenity · 06-25-2009, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

There are other places to discuss the Obama conspiracy on Camelot. We can either move this thread there, or we can keep the thread on a spiritual aspect of the topic (which I believe was the original intent).

Thanks for the post. I was responding to tone3jaguar, and attempted to bring it back to the spiritual aspect of my original post. So, I'd like it to stay here as I was referring to an article that focuses on a spiritual topic.

Thanks

judykott · 06-25-2009, 03:50 AM

Thank you for the interesting link United Serenity! I believe that even before the moment of conception, many lives are engineered to fit the agenda of several alternate choices of where the PTW wish to lead the masses. I think it is down to every detail. There was even more symbolism in those pictures he did not mention, it is so laden and layered in it. But I think more than enough of it was mentioned to prove the point of engineering to sell him as a Messiah of sorts, no doubt.

I will just mention one of the things that was not in there, although there are literally hundreds, but we do not want to beat a dead horse,

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Sol Sender, led a design team for the Obama 08 logo, which is a sun logo. How more layered can a name be, besides Obama's,

Sol meaning sun, or sounds like soul, and then sender

So Sun Sender or Soul Sender, runs his campaign.

The fact that Zbigniew Brzezinski was behind him and helped engineer his career since his college days was a major red flag, but then anyone who is allowed to run for president is a red flag

if not the blatant skull and crossbones

showing them all for the pirates they are

mntruthseeker · 06-25-2009, 04:03 AM

I absolutely agree with you Unified and judykott, you said it very well

As far as Fox news reporting the truth if it was out there is laughable

Now, why would they do that? All our news and media will NOT report this information.

I followed a man that has been reporting things to fox news and he has a book about to hit the stands soon. He has many followers and I watched, read all remarks and know that they tried to get any one of the media to listen to his story.

They refused to do this. Fox is not going to report this as they can only report what they are given permission to do. That is not going to change. LOL I am sorry but I know that our media and news is so patheticly sick and wrong.............Who owns the media? Who owns the news? Who runs the world?

they are all together in this big plan. Even Lou Dobbs is backtracking and I find that disgusting as heck.

I seen good men on the news suddenly die of heart attacks, and some cancelled like Montel Williams who I adore. They spoke too much

14 Chakras · 06-25-2009, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by judykott

but then anyone who is allowed to run for president is a red flag

if not the blatant skull and crossbones

showing them all for the pirates they are

Agreed, however, there are exceptions to the rule! Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich being two guys who are doing their best in a complicated political world, and we should learn from their example

Humble Janitor · 06-25-2009, 07:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anchor

There are other places to discuss the Obama conspiracy on Camelot. We can either move this thread there, or we can keep the thread on a spiritual aspect of the topic (which I believe was the original intent).

I agree. These types of threads are getting annoying because they accomplish nothing except to stir up negative thoughts/feelings about someone.

peaceandlove · 06-25-2009, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

I absolutely agree with you Unified and judykott, you said it very well

As far as Fox news reporting the truth if it was out there is laughable

Now, why would they do that? All our news and media will NOT report this information.

I followed a man that has been reporting things to fox news and he has a book about to hit the stands soon. He has many followers and I watched, read all remarks and know that they tried to get any one of the media to listen to his story.

They refused to do this. Fox is not going to report this as they can only report what they are given permission to do. That is not going to change. LOL I am sorry but I know that our media and news is so patheticly sick and wrong.............Who owns the media? Who owns the news? Who runs the world?

they are all together in this big plan. Even Lou Dobbs is backtracking and I find that disgusting as heck.

I seen good men on the news suddenly die of heart attacks, and some cancelled like Montel Williams who I adore. They spoke too much

Blessings MN,

Right on, Catherine Austin Fitts was on Coast to Coast AM last night and I heard her say, turn off your TV, the news, especially the financial news is all false. Spend the time talking with your neighbors and making plans. I will post the show when I can find it.

Also, I couldn't resist when you mentioned Montel Williams and I know you like Ron Paul.

Two, Two...Two for One!

Montel: Ron Paul Talks Honest Economics

VIDEO (8:03):

Humble Janitor · 06-25-2009, 09:16 AM

Ron Paul is still a politician.

None of them can be fully trusted.

mntruthseeker · 06-25-2009, 02:36 PM

Thank you Peace...............

I admire both of these men

Anchor, I know Ron Paul is a polictian but he seems very sincere in his quest. I have never seen him back down on any issues that he truly believes in. He speaks from the heart.

We have a few worthy men at the White House. just a few

Montel is a very kind person and I will listen to him.

Sarahmay · 06-25-2009, 02:46 PM

Barack Obama is a lightworker who doesn't even know he is a lightworker. He is a very advanced soul who is here to help us through the troubled times ahead. Those of us on a spiritual path know this intrinsically...those who are fear based see evil, doom and gloom.

14 Chakras · 06-25-2009, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Ron Paul is still a politician.

None of them can be fully trusted.

We should never put our hope and faith fully in someone outside of us. Ron Paul is not yet fully enlightened, so we shouldn't put him on a pedastle and think he can do no wrong, nor should we do this with anyone, because the truth is inside of us and we always have to use our own inner discernment.

That being said, the problem we're facing is that good people view 'politicians' as the problem, whereas the good people should stand up, as Ron Paul has stood up, and BE the politicians.

Although there are plenty of problems with the system, there is still opportunity for the people who are not bought and sold themselves to get involved in their government, Ron Paul is proof of that.

If only we would take back our power, and our government. What we are facing right now is a Country that has let the government get completely out of hand, in large part because the good people, and the spiritual people, haven't been willing to step up to the plate.

judykott · 06-25-2009, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarahmay

Barack Obama is a lightworker who doesn't even know he is a lightworker. He is a very advanced soul who is here to help us through the troubled times ahead. Those of us on a spiritual path know this intrinsically...those who are fear based see evil, doom and gloom.

I do not wish to be blinded by the light or swallowed by the dark. Just see things for what they are and that is best done in my view by the viewing the fruit of one's actions or choices. The light and dark both have there purpose in a duality based paradigm, one just the polar based opposition of the other, one just as much a trap as the other.

I can not speak for an "us" on a spiritual path, that would not make any sense to me. I can only speak for myself. If I see someone who has killed someone and say they just killed someone is that evil, doom, and gloom or is it just what is. If I say murderer because that is a label we have assigned for that, is that evil to say that? It is just a label for an action. It is not who he is.

As for Obama being a lightworker who does not even know he is a lightworker, I would personally hope he would understand what path he has chosen and where he was at with it especially in his position. He certainly must have clues by those he chooses to surround himself with, and their actions of the past and the fruit of it and if he changes these and there is different fruit, I will see there is different fruit. I will see what is, not what I wish to happen, or may happen but hasn't.

There could not be a lightworker without the evil, doom and gloom so in my view although I am not fear based when I see a pile of manure it is a pile of manure. Manure makes great fertilizer so it has a useful purpose. It is also something I prefer not to come in contact with, unless I have use for it.

As for being a very advanced soul does not require one to be a lightworker, a very advanced soul could choose a different path and it shows by the actions and words they choose. A path can change, there are many detours one can take along their personal spiritual path.

I would not call myself a lightworker, worker implies work, I would rather choose to be love and light which to me means view the world and myself for what it is, with it's dark and shadows which are embraced within it, and not denied or see it is as fear based, it just is. I wish to see things as they are, even if it is not what I would prefer to see, my expectations or my delusions. When I go outside facing and basking in the light, I turn and see shadow trailing, it just is.

Unified Serenity · 06-25-2009, 05:49 PM

Thanks for the replies. I'm wish some had focused on the actual information that seems to show BO as having some prophetic ties to the Islamic prophecies, how he chose to give his speech in Germany, the use of the Bronco's stadium and "Thunder". Many are aware of the various biblical texts and is there merit to see BO as the precursor to the one who is said to fulfill the negative side of prophecy.

Yes, if prophecy is real then someone has to fulfill the negative side. As for being accused of being negative for calling a spade a spade I do not agree with that and Judy gave a good example regarding witnessing a crime. For myself, I search for truth by a strong inward drive that compels me to search. I feel much more comfortable knowing a catagory 5 tornado is headed my way and thus having my preparations in order to the best of my ability. There is another biblical phrase, "Having done all stand". I am able to stand in love and peace knowing I have done all possible and thus be content within myself.

Judy, thanks for the thoughts.

14Chakras I agree with your words as well and it would be great if we could take back our country, I just don't know if we are supposed to. This is where I have changed some views over the years. I see no positive outcome in the methods used thus far to seek relief from over excessive government and their abuse of the power we have given to them. I can only hope and believe that our wonderful military men and women will stand in honor and not take part in any negative actions some in higher command would order them to take. Marches won't do anything. I do actually believe our talking helps in some way energetically, and to continue to send out the energy of love and peace is our greatest tool.

Thanks again for the comments.

Unified Serenity · 06-25-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarahmay

Those of us on a spiritual path know this intrinsically...those who are fear based see evil, doom and gloom.

So, because I don't agree with you then you say I am not on a spiritual path for I don't see it after having it said or intrinsically? And because I can see the negative actions happening I am fear based? Hmmmm, if someone comes up to someone, points a gun at them and shoots them, is that victim on a fear based path or did they just get shot by a thug?

I can see something and choose to not join my energy with it.

777 The Great Work · 06-25-2009, 06:42 PM

Any soul who can't let go of the ego, is the fufillment of that prophecy.I feel that Obama the person is only an archetype of my own false identity.Thats just my two cents

Northern Boy · 06-25-2009, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Ron Paul is still a politician.

None of them can be fully trusted.

Barack Obama lets not forget is a politician too

777 The Great Work · 06-25-2009, 07:56 PM

Anyone who embraces duality concepts, such as good and evil, is a POLE - itician.

judykott · 06-25-2009, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

Anyone who embraces duality concepts, such as good and evil, is a POLE - itician.

Then they call people for their opinion divided into polarity concepts to take a poll,

pretending as if it is giving voice or option when it is a charade

mntruthseeker · 06-25-2009, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sarahmay

Barack Obama is a lightworker who doesn't even know he is a lightworker. He is a very advanced soul who is here to help us through the troubled times ahead. Those of us on a spiritual path know this intrinsically...those who are fear based see evil, doom and gloom.

This is not true. I know many many lightworkers and they say Barack was to be elected only because it is karma coming back to the white people. I find this ironic too as race doesnt make you right or wrong.

Not one of them truly believe that he is going to change the world.

I am not bashing Obama if I speak the truth aoout him.

Now, I ask you, how many lightworkers lie, cheat, have extra marital affairs or involved with drugs and murder? This is facts about Obama.

You say that anyone who doesn't see Obama for what he is are fear based..................

I am not afraid of anything our future may hold for me. I know that my life is honest.

I find that the information that Ron Paul, Dennis Kuchinvich and others is important in "waking" people up. Peopl should be able to make up their own mind what they want to do so it is important work

I think no matter what your path is in this world it is important. For those that are truly evil, they are also giving us a lesson which is needed along with the others. We need to perfect our lives and I considerate myself lucky that I can see it for what it is. I believe this, because I truly believe we are One.

So if someone points out a dislike they are doing so because they have something that needs healing. Let that person work on that without denying them the opportunity.

But please do not refer to us as being fear based. I consider myself awake and very much aware of what is going on in the world.

If people didnt bring this all out in the open, there would be alot more sleeping and I sure dont want that

Its ok to make a remark without ridiculing another person for their observations. Many are lightworkers themselfs.........

Obama is very indept in his knowledge but to which side is yet to be seen as far as I am concern. He said he was for change and could do the job so he put himself in the limelight. We are waiting but to just expect it to happen would be a grave mistake on anyones part.

I will not sit back and wait for change, I will help to bring it about

pyrangello · 06-25-2009, 09:36 PM

When this years congress voted the 1.2 trillion dollar stimulas and another 400 billion dollar budget I was appauled. Then a few weeks after wards President Obama said we cannot conitinue to spend like this and I did a double take,
"What did he just say". Which person had the podeum at that moment. I couldn't tell you what this man stands for , who he stands for, or which part of the world he is in daily. I'm trying hard to find the light and consistancy within but this is really tough.

mntruthseeker · 06-25-2009, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pyrangello

When this years congress voted the 1.2 trillion dollar stimulas and another 400 billion dollar budget I was appauled. Then a few weeks after wards President Obama said we cannot conitinue to spend like this and I did a double take,
"What did he just say". Which person had the podeum at that moment. I couldn't tell you what this man stands for , who he stands for, or which part of the world he is in daily. I'm trying hard to find the light and consistancy within but this is really tough.

So am I, So am I

Humble Janitor · 06-25-2009, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

Barack Obama lets not forget is a politician too

DUH!

How many more threads like this are going to pop up?

It's becoming more clearer to me everyday that this site isn't what I thought it was.

06-24-2009, 05:44 PM	#1
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Who is Barack Obama Barack Obama came out of nowhere to become the President. He has refused to disclose documents proving his American birth. Prior to his winning the Presidency (or it being given to him) he accomplished little to nothing in his college endeavors or career except to be named to positions of leadership. This article provides some interesting information. And I beheld another beast How much was the bible manipulated eons ago by the ptw? How much is prophecy? The coincidences in the Koran, Islamic writings, and the bible are thought inspiring. Have we been given the leader to solidify the ptw plans? I look forward to any thoughtful replies.

06-24-2009, 11:53 PM	#2
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: Who is Barack Obama If there was any actual proof that he is not an american all you would have to do is watch Fox news because they would talk about it all day.

06-25-2009, 12:19 AM	#3
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Who is Barack Obama You can't prove a negative. Obama has paid out millions to stop all efforts to obtain his college records, birth certificate, and the plethora of court cases demanding these records be released. His Occidental college records will reveal if he received a scholarship under a foreign student status. His real birth certificate (if there is one) has not been released. Obama released a certificate of live birth which has issues a forgery expert found in the document. A certificate of live birth in Hawaii such as Obama's does not prove anything. In fact if you have a real birth certificate from a hospital then why would one need a "certificate of live birth"? Obama appears from all of his actions to be hiding something. It might not matter to many people, but it is a requirement to be the President of America that one must be a natural born citizen, not a dual citizen or a naturalized citizen. So, you are correct there is no proof because all of the avenues to get to the truth have been blocked. Now, back to the article I referred to, I 'd like input on that and not this birth certificate issue. If you want to read ad nauseam about it, go to worldnetdaily.com as they talk about it in great depth.

06-25-2009, 01:09 AM	#4
Anchor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,280	Re: Who is Barack Obama There are other places to discuss the Obama conspiracy on Camelot. We can either move this thread there, or we can keep the thread on a spiritual aspect of the topic (which I believe was the original intent).

06-25-2009, 03:50 AM	#6
judykott Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 711	Re: Who is Barack Obama Thank you for the interesting link United Serenity! I believe that even before the moment of conception, many lives are engineered to fit the agenda of several alternate choices of where the PTW wish to lead the masses. I think it is down to every detail. There was even more symbolism in those pictures he did not mention, it is so laden and layered in it. But I think more than enough of it was mentioned to prove the point of engineering to sell him as a Messiah of sorts, no doubt. I will just mention one of the things that was not in there, although there are literally hundreds, but we do not want to beat a dead horse,. Sol Sender, led a design team for the Obama 08 logo, which is a sun logo. How more layered can a name be, besides Obama's,Sol meaning sun, or sounds like soul, and then sender So Sun Sender or Soul Sender, runs his campaign. The fact that Zbigniew Brzezinski was behind him and helped engineer his career since his college days was a major red flag, but then anyone who is allowed to run for president is a red flagif not the blatant skull and crossbonesshowing them all for the pirates they are

06-25-2009, 04:03 AM	#7
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Who is Barack Obama I absolutely agree with you Unified and judykott, you said it very well As far as Fox news reporting the truth if it was out there is laughable Now, why would they do that? All our news and media will NOT report this information. I followed a man that has been reporting things to fox news and he has a book about to hit the stands soon. He has many followers and I watched, read all remarks and know that they tried to get any one of the media to listen to his story. They refused to do this. Fox is not going to report this as they can only report what they are given permission to do. That is not going to change. LOL I am sorry but I know that our media and news is so patheticly sick and wrong.............Who owns the media? Who owns the news? Who runs the world? they are all together in this big plan. Even Lou Dobbs is backtracking and I find that disgusting as heck. I seen good men on the news suddenly die of heart attacks, and some cancelled like Montel Williams who I adore. They spoke too much

06-25-2009, 09:16 AM	#11
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: Who is Barack Obama Ron Paul is still a politician. None of them can be fully trusted.

06-25-2009, 02:36 PM	#12
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Who is Barack Obama Thank you Peace............... I admire both of these men Anchor, I know Ron Paul is a polictian but he seems very sincere in his quest. I have never seen him back down on any issues that he truly believes in. He speaks from the heart. We have a few worthy men at the White House. just a few Montel is a very kind person and I will listen to him.

06-25-2009, 02:46 PM	#13
Sarahmay Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sedona Arizona Posts: 549	Re: Who is Barack Obama Barack Obama is a lightworker who doesn't even know he is a lightworker. He is a very advanced soul who is here to help us through the troubled times ahead. Those of us on a spiritual path know this intrinsically...those who are fear based see evil, doom and gloom.

06-25-2009, 05:49 PM	#16
Unified Serenity Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 893	Re: Who is Barack Obama Thanks for the replies. I'm wish some had focused on the actual information that seems to show BO as having some prophetic ties to the Islamic prophecies, how he chose to give his speech in Germany, the use of the Bronco's stadium and "Thunder". Many are aware of the various biblical texts and is there merit to see BO as the precursor to the one who is said to fulfill the negative side of prophecy. Yes, if prophecy is real then someone has to fulfill the negative side. As for being accused of being negative for calling a spade a spade I do not agree with that and Judy gave a good example regarding witnessing a crime. For myself, I search for truth by a strong inward drive that compels me to search. I feel much more comfortable knowing a catagory 5 tornado is headed my way and thus having my preparations in order to the best of my ability. There is another biblical phrase, "Having done all stand". I am able to stand in love and peace knowing I have done all possible and thus be content within myself. Judy, thanks for the thoughts. 14Chakras I agree with your words as well and it would be great if we could take back our country, I just don't know if we are supposed to. This is where I have changed some views over the years. I see no positive outcome in the methods used thus far to seek relief from over excessive government and their abuse of the power we have given to them. I can only hope and believe that our wonderful military men and women will stand in honor and not take part in any negative actions some in higher command would order them to take. Marches won't do anything. I do actually believe our talking helps in some way energetically, and to continue to send out the energy of love and peace is our greatest tool. Thanks again for the comments.

06-25-2009, 06:42 PM	#18
777 The Great Work Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: At the doors of perception Posts: 2,135	Re: Who is Barack Obama Any soul who can't let go of the ego, is the fufillment of that prophecy.I feel that Obama the person is only an archetype of my own false identity.Thats just my two cents

06-25-2009, 07:56 PM	#20
777 The Great Work Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: At the doors of perception Posts: 2,135	Re: Who is Barack Obama Anyone who embraces duality concepts, such as good and evil, is a POLE - itician.

06-25-2009, 09:36 PM	#23
pyrangello Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern Michigan Posts: 412	Re: Who is Barack Obama When this years congress voted the 1.2 trillion dollar stimulas and another 400 billion dollar budget I was appauled. Then a few weeks after wards President Obama said we cannot conitinue to spend like this and I did a double take, "What did he just say". Which person had the podeum at that moment. I couldn't tell you what this man stands for , who he stands for, or which part of the world he is in daily. I'm trying hard to find the light and consistancy within but this is really tough.