Computer Scientists: '2008 U.S. Presidential Election Can Be Hacked'

Antaletriangle · 09-11-2008, 03:31 AM

Blogged by Brad Friedman on 4/11/2008 3:29PM
Computer Scientists: '2008 U.S. Presidential Election Can Be Hacked'
Systems Made by Diebold, Sequoia and Hart InterCivic Are 'Still Going to Have Same Viral Vulnerabilities Found' During California's 2007 Study...
A bunch of world-class computer scientists testified publicly this week that "U.S. Presidential Election Can Be Hacked".

As stunning as that sounds, there's nothing new here necessarily to readers of The BRAD BLOG, other than the fact that outlets like the IDG News Service and PCWorld are reporting it --- out loud --- and that the computer scientist community, specifically those who have been studying these systems, are now out and out saying it --- in public...and out loud.

"The three systems we looked at are three of the most widely used around the nation," warned professor David Wagner of the University of California, "They're going to be using them in the 2008 elections; they're still going to have the same vulnerabilities we found."

Wagner was speaking about e-voting system made by Diebold, Sequoia Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic which he examined during CA Sec. of State Debra Bowen's independent "Top to Bottom" review last year. He "and his team found that they could introduce a computer virus to any of the three systems, which would then spread throughout the county and ultimately skew the vote count," the IDG News Service reports.

While our readers may be familiar with the above, our friend "DHinMI" and his fellow misinformed DailyKos front pagers may want to give this short article a quick look sometime soon. Particularly the part about paper ballots, and that simply having them is not enough...if nobody bothers to actually count them.

Here's the key grafs from the article...Along with a special clip for the dangerously misinformed/misleading dKos boys and girls...

U.S. Presidential Election Can Be Hacked
Robert McMillan, IDG News Service

This year, the U.S. will pick a new president using electronic voting machines that can be hacked, security experts said Thursday
...
As the November election approaches, the question before officials is not how to fix known bugs in their e-voting systems, but rather, how best to check them for fraud, said David Wagner, an associate professor with the University of California, Berkeley's computer science department.

Wagner was part of the team that audited California's voting systems during the state's review of electronic voting, and the problems his team found affect counties across the U.S. "The three systems we looked at are three of the most widely used around the nation," he said during an e-voting panel discussion at the show. "They're going to be using them in the 2008 elections; they're still going to have the same vulnerabilities we found."
...
The California audit examined systems from Diebold Elections Systems, Hart InterCivic and Sequoia Voting Systems, ultimately permitting their use in 2008, but only under certain conditions. In testing, Wagner and his team found that they could introduce a computer virus to any of the three systems, which would then spread throughout the county and ultimately skew the vote count.

And in case yutzes like disinfo specialist and DailyKos front pager, Dana "DHinMI" Houle, don't bother to read the full piece linked above, here's a special clipping just for him/them...

Wagner said...even the states that keep paper records are not necessarily checking their results. Only about a third of all states have records that are regularly audited.
(Never mind that none of those states actually does much of a legitimate public "audit", of those paper ballots and/or records, but you get the drift.)

So, how does that square with your embarrassingly inaccurate dKos front page article written after the New Hampshire primary, Mr. Houle?

We're guessing you've yet to apologize to your readers for dangerously and wholly misleading them about key issues of Election Integrity, right? Of course, right.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5890

Avid · 09-12-2008, 08:48 AM

Highly likely! However, if there is such a groundswell for either side, the negation of their results would cause serious problems for the media, and the PTB of course.

steve_johnson#985907-1 · 09-14-2008, 01:02 PM

the election doesn't matter. puppets will be puppets. the election isn't going to change anything because we all know it's scripted.

the election is just going further blind the masses from the truth in the world. focus on the truth not the lies your just being distracted.

steve_johnson#985907-1 · 09-14-2008, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intuician

Hi. Yes, but the Pres. election could be important to the degree that every day people are given voice on the issues. Even McCain admits 70% don't like the direction the country is headed. How is he going to change that direction? It's a worthwhile discussion.

approval ratings don't mean anything. they are a coffee talk conversational tool and nothing else. these people have no interest in you other than cutting you out of the picture and fulfilling their agenda.

Carol · 09-15-2008, 05:05 AM

Like this didn't already happen in 2000 and 2004? Given how evenly the nation is divided by what has been going on the past 8 years it is easier to hack and alter the outcome of the elections then if there were a large number of voters for just one party. Note, in each instance it was a Republican who won/was appointed.

Three years before the 2000 election I was told that it was already fixed for Bush to be president and that Florida would be the swing state. Voila, tis what happened. There is no such thing an an honest free election as both parties are already controlled by big business and the agenda put in place even before the candidates are 'selected' for office. It's just all a show to apease the masses and keep them dumbed down. Meanwhile, it is 'big' business as usual behind the scenes.

09-11-2008, 03:31 AM	#1
Antaletriangle Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: U.K. Posts: 3,380	Computer Scientists: '2008 U.S. Presidential Election Can Be Hacked' Blogged by Brad Friedman on 4/11/2008 3:29PM Computer Scientists: '2008 U.S. Presidential Election Can Be Hacked' Systems Made by Diebold, Sequoia and Hart InterCivic Are 'Still Going to Have Same Viral Vulnerabilities Found' During California's 2007 Study... A bunch of world-class computer scientists testified publicly this week that "U.S. Presidential Election Can Be Hacked". As stunning as that sounds, there's nothing new here necessarily to readers of The BRAD BLOG, other than the fact that outlets like the IDG News Service and PCWorld are reporting it --- out loud --- and that the computer scientist community, specifically those who have been studying these systems, are now out and out saying it --- in public...and out loud. "The three systems we looked at are three of the most widely used around the nation," warned professor David Wagner of the University of California, "They're going to be using them in the 2008 elections; they're still going to have the same vulnerabilities we found." Wagner was speaking about e-voting system made by Diebold, Sequoia Voting Systems and Hart InterCivic which he examined during CA Sec. of State Debra Bowen's independent "Top to Bottom" review last year. He "and his team found that they could introduce a computer virus to any of the three systems, which would then spread throughout the county and ultimately skew the vote count," the IDG News Service reports. While our readers may be familiar with the above, our friend "DHinMI" and his fellow misinformed DailyKos front pagers may want to give this short article a quick look sometime soon. Particularly the part about paper ballots, and that simply having them is not enough...if nobody bothers to actually count them. Here's the key grafs from the article...Along with a special clip for the dangerously misinformed/misleading dKos boys and girls... U.S. Presidential Election Can Be Hacked Robert McMillan, IDG News Service This year, the U.S. will pick a new president using electronic voting machines that can be hacked, security experts said Thursday ... As the November election approaches, the question before officials is not how to fix known bugs in their e-voting systems, but rather, how best to check them for fraud, said David Wagner, an associate professor with the University of California, Berkeley's computer science department. Wagner was part of the team that audited California's voting systems during the state's review of electronic voting, and the problems his team found affect counties across the U.S. "The three systems we looked at are three of the most widely used around the nation," he said during an e-voting panel discussion at the show. "They're going to be using them in the 2008 elections; they're still going to have the same vulnerabilities we found." ... The California audit examined systems from Diebold Elections Systems, Hart InterCivic and Sequoia Voting Systems, ultimately permitting their use in 2008, but only under certain conditions. In testing, Wagner and his team found that they could introduce a computer virus to any of the three systems, which would then spread throughout the county and ultimately skew the vote count. And in case yutzes like disinfo specialist and DailyKos front pager, Dana "DHinMI" Houle, don't bother to read the full piece linked above, here's a special clipping just for him/them... Wagner said...even the states that keep paper records are not necessarily checking their results. Only about a third of all states have records that are regularly audited. (Never mind that none of those states actually does much of a legitimate public "audit", of those paper ballots and/or records, but you get the drift.) So, how does that square with your embarrassingly inaccurate dKos front page article written after the New Hampshire primary, Mr. Houle? We're guessing you've yet to apologize to your readers for dangerously and wholly misleading them about key issues of Election Integrity, right? Of course, right. http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5890

09-12-2008, 08:48 AM	#2
Avid Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 660	Re: Computer Scientists: '2008 U.S. Presidential Election Can Be Hacked' Highly likely! However, if there is such a groundswell for either side, the negation of their results would cause serious problems for the media, and the PTB of course.

09-14-2008, 01:02 PM	#3
steve_johnson#985907-1 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 18	Re: Computer Scientists: '2008 U.S. Presidential Election Can Be Hacked' the election doesn't matter. puppets will be puppets. the election isn't going to change anything because we all know it's scripted. the election is just going further blind the masses from the truth in the world. focus on the truth not the lies your just being distracted.

09-15-2008, 05:05 AM	#5
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: Computer Scientists: '2008 U.S. Presidential Election Can Be Hacked' Like this didn't already happen in 2000 and 2004? Given how evenly the nation is divided by what has been going on the past 8 years it is easier to hack and alter the outcome of the elections then if there were a large number of voters for just one party. Note, in each instance it was a Republican who won/was appointed. Three years before the 2000 election I was told that it was already fixed for Bush to be president and that Florida would be the swing state. Voila, tis what happened. There is no such thing an an honest free election as both parties are already controlled by big business and the agenda put in place even before the candidates are 'selected' for office. It's just all a show to apease the masses and keep them dumbed down. Meanwhile, it is 'big' business as usual behind the scenes.