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What Does It Mean ? What does this all mean for the Ground Crew ? |
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Tuesday, December 16, 2008
The day before yesterday I was driving through General Paz highway. About 4 PM, not a lot of traffic but still several cars around. Minding my own business as usual when suddenly the car in front of mine starts slowing down (little red flag in the brain went up), and from the front passenger’s window a guy pulls most of his torso out of the window and points towards me with something in his hand, at first I thought it was a weapon, but instantly recognized the deodorant kind of bottle shape that protruded from below. He started spraying my windshield with foam! The instinctive thing to do would be to hit the brakes, but given the speed and cars near by, it would have been a big mistake. I already had my gun out, so I went right and got close to the AH, pointed the gun to his face. (AC doesn’t work so the window was down) He made the usual “entire life flashes before your eyes” face people put when you do that, eyes opened wide, combination of stupidity and surprise look. He started shouting something to the driver. They immediately slowed down and disappeared, didn’t see them again. I don’t know if they wanted to carjack me, or just cause an accident, but being cautious always worked out for me. Just wanted to share that because I thought it was pretty weird. People here sometimes get robbed after they throw stones into the windshield, but this is the first time I saw this foam thing being used in such a way. FerFAL http://ferfal.blogspot.com/ |
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Wild experience there-that could have easily gotten out of hand in one way or another!!Strange foam usage i normally use it to have a shave!!lol.
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weird indeed, in that moment i wouldn't have known what the bleep is happening ... or WHY!
regardless of their agenda, good thing you evaded an accident in the interim, someone's watchin over you ![]() weird though ... |
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Let me get this straight: They spray foam at you and you pull out a gun? Wouldn't that have made the situation more dangerous than it needed to be?
Probably a bunch of stupid kids playing a prank. |
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Dude, girl, which I don't know, your second amendment right scares the **** out of a European like me.
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Thank God for our second amendment. The police are no longer there to protect and serve. They only arrive after the fact to make out reports and collect bodies. Your self defense is your responsibility so that you can be there to answer the officer's questions. http://www.keepandbeararms.com/ |
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I think your actions were justified. People will shoot and kill you for no reason at all. This simple prank could have caused you to wreck and in my book, that's attempted homicide.
I was driving down a one lane country road one night and came up to a truck stopped in the road with it's lights on and engine running. I thought I would be nice and wait for him to finish whatever he was doing and let him continue. I waited for 5 minutes and during this time the drivers actions were seemingly suspicious when he kept looking around. I then backed up 50 feet and scanned the area around me and waited another 5 minutes. At this point I was getting nervous and with no where to turn around I inched my way around the truck. The guy in the truck then takes off and speeds up to me as if he is trying to run me off the road. This cat and mouse chase continues for the next heart pounding 15 minutes and then he suddenly pulls off the road and don't see him again. If I was carrying a gun that night, someone was going to get shot. |
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None of this happened to me.... but let me ask you guys a question:
There are rather few people here (supposedly) that wear arms.... alright I can fight with a stick but that ain't getting me far against firearms. There must be more 'subtle' way of 'defence', like not getting yourself in trouble? I may sound silly but I seem to be 'well protected' as I've just never encountered these situations or just left before they arose. Any thoughts? |
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I understand what you saying but in my case, this was an ambush for a random car. If I had stayed any longer, my outcome could have been grim.
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I once had a revolver pulled on me in a pub in sunderland.Myself and a mate were having a beer one afternoon in this pub and there was just me,my mate and then this bloke walked in with short,blond hair,brown leather and stood at the bar-he started smiling over at me-i ignored him and carried on talking-i remember sting was on MTV talking about rainforests (back in 1990/1 this was).Anyway,i looked over at this guy and he was pointing a gun at me with his coat half opened and smiling at me nodding his head-i didn't know what to do at this point there were two lads toy fighting near to where i was sat-i grabbed their attention and told them about the guy at the bar in a diplomatic manner-they soon stopped their fighting as now he was pointing this gun at them!!Me and my mate left our half drunken beers and left sharply but this was soon after the hungerford massacre in the U.K. My mind just went blank when he pointed it at me-i didn't know him-no-one did-weird and very dangerous situation for no reason!!It goes to show that anything can happen at any time without any provocation whatsoever.
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jeeez!!
man, Im glad you were armed baggywrinkle. Maybe those AH's will think twice next time before acting like loveless idiots. really trying to hold back on words i have for those people. lol glad your safe BW. |
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I am probably wrong, but that's my thought on it anyway. Seeing as how this is my first post here let me add a little to this response, even though it may not address the primary subject at hand. I have been reading a lot of the posts and it was 50-50 as to whether I joined this site or not. I tend to follow "the voices within" so went for it even though I had a few feelings of "Why would someone post such nonsense here, I thought this was supposed to be the ground crew?" When I read about guns etc I really begin to wonder. I was held up and robbed by 2 cowards with guns, physically dragged from my vehicle, had the one put his gun to my head and pull the trigger. The gun misfired. The would be murderer took off and 2 K's down the road ran into a police road block. They leapt out the car and disappeared into the sugar cane plantation leaving their weapons on the seat. The local farmer had been in touch with the police by radio and knew of the hi-jacking and attempted shooting. Upon inspection of the weapons they dicovered that one had been fired (firing pin indentation on the round) but the wrong ammunition had been used. Lets recap. I said you make your own reality, wear a gun expect trouble. Why would that happen to someone who refuses to wear a weapon? My own reality, but my own reality left me shaken and not killed. What is the point I am trying to get to here. Just this. I was harping on about the "ground crew". I don't think too much of a group who still see violent means as an answer, even under the given circumstances. We need to move forward and beyond "self-preservation" and start to think in a more global sense (make that cosmic rather than global). This is not a case of "How can I save my and my families rear-end. This is at a stage now where we have to start bringing global/cosmic help to bear. Let me say it this way. It isn't "What can I do to save me?" but more of "How can I possibly be of help to all of those out there, even them that sleep?" ONLY then will be begin to recreate this mess we call reality into something which will lift us to the next level. We are after all, each and every one of us, a part of the single. We all affect each other and the sooner we get our heads out of our backsides and stop "Playing ground crew games", the sooner we will impact this density and make a difference such that (hopefully) we all move up to the next density. I better sign off. Nice meeting you folks. Let's be real and let's get rid of our egos as I see a lot of ego in project camelot. As long as ego rules, we are doomed. Peace, light and love to all of you. Last edited by Zeddo; 12-19-2008 at 10:28 PM. |
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Watch out, not a good idea to pull a gun on anyone, there's always someone out there with a bigger gun that will not only pull it but also use it.
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the argentine blogger. As a researcher I try hard to bring content relevant to Avalon and what is happening today. While concealed carry is on our list, we wish to do it properly which means a trip to a good school such as Thunder Ranch http://www.thunderranchinc.com/ We do keep longarms in .223 and .308 and we are good enough to be taken seriously in a dispute. Did I mention that we are also night vision capable? On our home turf, in a dispute, we own the night. They're intended purpose is varmints, specifically coyotes. |
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Yeah I noticed that Baggy, some of your threads start right in to the story or article and some people have mistaken them for your own personal story or article. Like the one in this thread, it starts right in, instead of you saying....Here's an article from ferfal. HaHa, I don't care, just an observation! LOL! Oh yeah, thar's varmints in them thar hills!
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The only lethal shots I've ever fired in anger were at chicken killing critters. I hope it stays that way. We count ourselves members of a peace church. I take it seriously. Having said that I'm far from being a perfect pacifist - someone who can stand and pray while his family is being abused. I'm working on it. Until then, the lead shall fly true. Now you want to talk about night vision. I can do that from personal experience. I have a laser that will paint a target and help illuminate it a quarter mile away. But you won't see it because it is infrared. We've also got a really cool heat sensor - a game finder. It's a wicked wicked tool when slung underneath a shotgun. Listen for the heat and shoot in pitch black conditions which are common where I live. Even cover will not hide. It's the next best thing to a ten thousand dollar thermal weapon scope. I love techie toys. These were before we started down the luddite path. I do have one decent story for you. Raccoon vs night vision enabled shotgun. Our chickens are free range. At night they sleep in a hoop house surrounded by an electric net. They'd been fighting and several had started roosting in our plumb tree which lies on it's side. We didn't know they were there. At oh dark thirty a raccoon grabbed a couple of them. They screamed like little girls waking me up out of bed like a shot. Down the stairs nv scope in hand, out the door with the shotgun butt naked towards the sounds. By the time I arrived all was silent as I stalked barefoot down the drive. Scope in one hand shotgun at the hip in the other. Then there he was standing by this tall fir on his back legs watching me. The hen was at he feet, traumatized. I blasted the sucker from 20 feet away, but alas it was just bird shot! Up the tree he went about half way and stopped looking at me. Now remember, it is so dark you cannot see your hand in front of your face. I blasted him again and up the tree he went this time to a fork about fifty feet high. He peeked out at me and got a face full of bird shot. That was it, he was gone up the tree. Here's the best part. That chicken was still alive. He'd grabbed her by the head and ran with her to his tree and didn't have time to kill her. It took three weeks of dropper feeding for her to recover. Today she's blind in one eye and still with us. Tame as can be and a good layer. We call her Miracle. That was a year and a half ago. ![]() |
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HaHa I love your stories Bw!, nice pic too. You say.....We've also got
a really cool heat sensor - a game finder. It's a wicked wicked tool when slung underneath a shotgun. Listen for the heat and shoot in pitch black conditions...., How do you listen for the heat? Does it give off a tone? Either a high or low pitch or something? |
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is an unfair advantage. Slung underneath the barrel of a shotgun, ear plug disengages the LED display and you get a geiger counter tone in your ear when it points at heat. Steady tone means shoot. Here it is! http://www.opticsplanet.net/aimheat35.html All you'd need would be a thin opaque screen to sit behind to allow the heat sensor to do it's thing. It could also be used offensively, but would require much practice to sort out false positives. This also has the visual/infrared laser pointers which are bright enough to use as an illuminator. Used by a spotter/ sniper team mounted on a spotter scope it would be bad news. It emits nothing unless you turn on the laser. Not bad for off the shelf. |
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Very cool and it's on sale too! and batteries ARE included! Have you ever checked for thermal losses around your house? Oh on that site they have FLIR Night Vision equipment, 10,000 dollars, why is it so expensive? what goes into it to make it so?
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The cats love to chase the visual laser dot.
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Oh yeah!
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generation three/four night vision http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D66Mw...eature=related FLIR thermal vision http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fx7_...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oma5l...eature=related As you can see it is worth the cost if you are serious about seeing in the dark |
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coooool!!!!!!!!, thanks!
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