The suns angle .... All wrong !!

[blastawaycas]

I AM AN OWLD GIT AT 47 I HAVE BEEN DRIVING SINCE I WAS 17 30 YEARS THOSE WHO ARE NOT SO GOOD WITH MATHS...THATS MATHS USA !! just kidding (BUT I AM RIGHT)
DURING THIS WINTER THE SUNS INTENSITY AND LOW ANGLE IN THE SKY MAKE DRIVING INTO IT ALMOST (WELL SOMETIMES IS) IMPOSSIBLE I HAVE NEVER DRIVEN WITH THE SUN SO INTENSE AND SO LOW IN THE AFTERNOON SKY ............I WONDER HOW MANY MORE ACCIDENTS IT HAS CAUSED AS A RESULT
FURTHER MORE AND I HAVE READ THIS BEFORE ON OTHER THREADS THE SUN IS PURE WHITE THAT SOUNDS STUPID I KNOW ITS A BIG BALL OF FIRE IN THE SKY
BUT I HAVE NEVER WITNESSED IT SO INTENSE SO BLINDING

ANOTHER THING WHEN YOU FLIP YOUR SUNVISOR DOWN THE SUN IS UNDERNEATH IT ....... AS THOUGH THE MANUFACTURERS HAVE GOT THE ANGLE WRONG
I DONT KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS NOTICEDBUT EVERYBODY I SEEM TO TALK TOO HAS...THEN INSTANTLY FORGETS!!

TO ME THIS ONLY SUBSTANTIATES THAT THERE IS SOMETHING GOING ON WITH THE EARTH
BUT NOT A PEEP FROM THE MEDIA

KINDEST REGARDS TO YOU ALL AND KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK DAVE CASTER

[Dantheman62]

I don't know about the sun, I think it's just because it's winter here and I'm not used to it that it seems brighter and lower maybe. Did you get your air pistol back yet blastawaycas??

[burgundia]

The same impression. The sun lower, brighter and almost white light...

[oldpaganfreak]

the sun is normal here. i live at 56N, so it gets low in the winter. i live with solar power, so i change my panels regularly. this winter the angles are the same as last winter.

[Dantheman62]

No unusual CME's or flare ups....

[blastawaycas]

HI DANTHEMAN I SPOKE TO THE DUTY INSPECTOR HERE AT MIDDLESBROUGH POLICE STATION I DONT KNOW WHAT THE EQUIVEANT WOULD BE IN THE U.S LIUTENANT MAYBE ...ANYHOW HE WAS AMAZED AT THIS PC's ACTIONS HE TOLD ME HE WAS HAVING WORDS WITH HIM AND WOULD CALL ME
I RECIEVED A CALL LATER IN THE WEEK TO SAY THAT THE PISTOL WAS WITH THE DUTY SERGENT !!! WHO WAS GOING TO RING ME TO PICK IT UP BUT NO CALL AS YET
WHAT I HEARD OFF THE WIFES BEST FRIENDS HUBBY WHO IS A BOBBY IN THAT STATION WAS THAT THIS PC HAS HAD A ROCKET UP HIS **** BY THIS INSPECTOR SO THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST AND SUPPORT DTM
I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN IT IS IN MY POSSESION

WITH REGARDS THE SUN IT JUST SEEMS ABNORMALLY LOW IN THE HORIZON AS IT GETS TO ABOUT 3.00PM GMT MAKING DRIVING IN A WESTERLY DIRECTION ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE (I WONDER HOW MANY ACCIDENTS IT MAY HAVE CAUSED)
AND LIKE I SAID I'VE NEVER EVER SEEN THE SUN UNDER THE SUNVISOR OF A CAR IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN UNLESS YOU ARE A REAL SHORTARSE (LIKE I AM MYSELF)

THANKS AGAIN DANTHEMAN LOVE TO YOU ALL KINDEST REGARDS DAVE CASTER

[Carmen]

At five foot one the sun's always under the damm visor!!!

[Egg]

This will make you chuckle.

The little robot on Mars? well, they ordered the thing to point its camera at the sun for a shot, and the sun wasn't there! they panned a bit about, and found the sun, and had to admit the sun was not where it was supposed to be!

[blastawaycas]

Egg that is totally fascinating ........... is something different or are well all being deluded .... i really do feel that the suns angle is lower than i ever remember it, and i know the sun is what we up in the north east call a watery sun this time of the year but boy its damn bright, everybody i know and am friendly with comments upon it, it seems very wierd (a bit like myself)

Carmen i sympathise with your 5' 1" ..ever tried a booster cushion..!
like a damn cop i know needs one up his ass !!!

kindest regards all love & best wishes Dave Caster

[Egg]

Here is the screen cut I made of it so that we can all see that NASA on their page admitted the sun was in the wrong place and that the spirit rover was working as it should, where it should of been and on track. That just leaves the sun in the wrong place.

I am starting to wonder if all of the planets have shifted slightly in their orbits because I too have noticed our sun is a smaller bit out of 'where it should be'
because for the first year ever the sun at midday peeked through our kitchen window.

We lived in this house a long time!

[blastawaycas]

Thankyou so much for sharing that EGG i too have noticed strange sun shine i live in Middlesbrough as you can see today as i looked to the chemical site which used to be ICI Wilton and is simply huge there are many towers but 2 cooling towers were catching the sunlight in a way i had never seen before, it sounds stupid i know but when you are so used to looking day in day out at the same things you do somehow notice when something is just not quite right. Sorry Carmen i didnt mean you wanted a booster up yer butt its that damn dozy bobby who confiscated my airpistol without cause....long story
THANKYOU AGAIN EGG......I DO LIKE THE WAY YOU DO YOUR DIGGING AROUND BY THE WAY.....LIKE A BLOODHOUND.......TOP OF THE POPS !!
KINDEST REGARDS DAVE CASTER

[mu2143]

I had a feeling that there was someting wrong with the postion of the sun.
I've never seen this before!!! in my life.

The postion of the sun is very low at my place!

So you know

[judykott]

[http://www.viewzone.com/milkyway.html
At the end details about sun angle



Scientists Now Know: We're Not From Here!
Summary & comments by Dan Eden for Viewzone

Imagine the shock of growing up in a loving family with people you call "Mum" and "Dad" and then, suddenly, learning that you are actually adopted!

This same sense of shock came as scientists announced that the Sun, the Moon, our planet and its siblings, were not born into the familiar band of stars known as the Milky Way galaxy, but we actually belong to a strange formation with the unfamiliar name of the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy!

How can this be?

Using volumes of data from the Two-Micron All Sky Survey (2MASS), a major project to survey the sky in infrared light led by the University of Massachusetts, the astronomers are answering questions that have baffled scientists for decades and proving that our own Milky Way is consuming one of its neighbors in a dramatic display of ongoing galactic cannibalism. The study published in the Astrophysical Journal, is the first to map the full extent of the Sagittarius galaxy and show in visually vivid detail how its debris wraps around and passes through our Milky Way. Sagittarius is 10,000 times smaller in mass than the Milky Way, so it is getting stretched out, torn apart and gobbled up by the bigger Milky Way.



A new infra red digital survey of the entire sky was made in 2003. Teams from the universities of Virginia and Massachusetts used a supercomputer to sort through half a billion stars to create a -- NEW STAR MAP showing our Solar System (yellow circle) to be at the exact nexus crossroads where two galaxies are actually joining.

"It's clear who's the bully in the interaction," said Steven Majewski, U.Va. professor of astronomy and lead author on the paper describing the results.

"If people had infrared-sensitive eyes, the entrails of Sagittarius would be a prominent fixture sweeping across our sky," Majewski said. "But at human, visual wavelengths, they become buried among countless intervening stars and obscuring dust. The great expanse of the Sagittarius system has been hidden from view."

Not any more. By using infrared maps, the astronomers filtered away millions of foreground stars to focus on a type of star called an M giant. These large, infrared-bright stars are populous in the Sagittarius galaxy but uncommon in the outer Milky Way. The 2MASS infrared map of M giant stars analyzed by Majewski and collaborators is the first to give a complete view of the Milky Way galaxy's meal of Sagittarius stars, now wrapping like a spaghetti noodle around the Milky Way. Prior to this work, astronomers had detected only a few scattered pieces of the disrupted Sagittarius dwarf. Even the existence of Sagittarius was unknown until the heart of this nearest satellite galaxy of the Milky Way was discovered by a British team of astronomers in 1994.

Here's an animation of the "marriage".

The fact that the Milky Way is seen in the sky at an angle has always puzzled astronomers. If we originated from the Milky Way, we ought to be oriented to the galaxy's ecliptic, with the planets aligned around our Sun in much the same angle as our Sun aligns with the Milky Way. Instead, as first suggested by researcher Matthew Perkins Erwin, the odd angle suggests that our Sun is influenced by some other system. Together with data from the Two-Micron All Sky Survey we now know what it is. We actually belong to the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy.

"We sifted several thousand interesting stars from a catalog of half a billion," said co-author Michael Skrutskie, U.Va. professor of astronomy and principal investigator for the 2MASS project. "By tuning our maps of the sky to the 'right' kind of star, the Sagittarius system jumped into view."



We are from another galaxy in the process of joining with the Milky Way. The Milky Way is actually not our parent galaxy. The mystery of why the Milky Way has always been sideways in the night sky has never been answered -- until now.

Dave Romer - Voyager and Galactic Plane on 07 Jul 2003 - DivX 6-5-1.avi. This movie shows the locations of Voyager 1 and Voyage 2 spacecraft circa 2003 -- above and below the galactic plane respectively.

"This first full-sky map of Sagittarius shows its extensive interaction with the Milky Way," Majewski said. "Both stars and star clusters now in the outer parts of the Milky Way have been 'stolen' from Sagittarius as the gravitational forces of the Milky Way nibbled away at its dwarf companion. This one vivid example shows that the Milky Way grows by eating its smaller neighbors."

The study's map of M giants depicts 2 billion years of Sagittarius stripping by the Milky Way, and suggests that Sagittarius has reached a critical phase in what had been a slow dance of death.

"After slow, continuous gnawing by the Milky Way, Sagittarius has been whittled down to the point that it cannot hold itself together much longer," said 2MASS Science Team member and study co-author Martin Weinberg of the University of Massachusetts. "We are seeing Sagittarius at the very end of its life as an intact system."

Does this mean we are at a unique moment in the life of our galaxy? Yes and no.

"Whenever possible, astronomers appeal to the principle that we are not at a special time or place in the universe," Majewski said. "Because over the 14 billion-year history of the Milky Way it is unlikely that we would just happen to catch a brief event like the death of Sagittarius, we infer that such events must be common in the life of big spiral galaxies like our own. The Milky Way probably dined on a number of dwarf galaxy snacks in the past."

On the other hand, Majewski and his colleagues have been surprised by the Earth's proximity to a portion of the Sagittarius debris.

"For only a few percent of its 240 million-year orbit around the Milky Way galaxy does our Solar System pass through the path of Sagittarius debris," Majewski said. "Remarkably, stars from Sagittarius are now raining down onto our present position in the Milky Way. Stars from an alien galaxy are relatively near us. We have to re-think our assumptions about the Milky Way galaxy to account for this contamination."

The new findings will help astronomers measure the total mass of the Milky Way and Sagittarius galaxies, and probe the quantity and distribution of the invisible dark matter in these systems.

"The shape of the Sagittarius debris trail shows us that the Milky Way's unseen dark matter is in a spherical distribution, a result that is quite unexpected," Weinberg said.

"The observations provide new insights into the nature of the mysterious dark matter," said Princeton's Spergel. "Either our galaxy is unusual or the dark matter has richer properties than postulated by conventional models."

Implications in Global Warming?

It has been postulated that this is the real reason for both global warming since higher energy levels of the Milky Way are almost certain to cause our Sun to burn hotter and emit higher energies. Indeed, temperatures have been seen to rise on virtually all the planets in our system. This seems quite apart from any local phenomenon like greenhouse gases etc.

This grand turning is possibly the root cause for the discontinuation of the Mayan calendar (the most accurate on the planet) because the 'read-point' of the Pleiades star cluster, which many believe the calendar was based upon, can no longer be a constant as we begin to steer away from the earlier predictable movements.





Other changes happening in our system

The "marriage" of our birth galaxy with our new adopted Milky Way galaxy is causing energy shifts that are obvious just about everywhere. Here are some changes being watched by scientists:

* A growth of dark spots on Pluto.

* Reporting of auroras on Saturn.

* Reporting of Uranus and Neptune polar shifts (They are magnetically conjugate planets), and the abrupt large-scale growth of Uranus' magnetosphere intensity.

* A change in light intensity and light spot dynamics on Neptune.

* The doubling of the magnetic field intensity on Jupiter (based upon 1992 data), and a series of new states and processes observed on this planet as an aftermath of a series of explosions in July 1994 [caused by "Comet" SL-9]. That is, a relaxation of a plasmoid train which excited the Jovian magnetosphere, thus inducing excessive plasma generation and it's release in the same manner as Solar coronal holes inducing an appearance of radiation belt brightening in decimeter band (13.2 and 36 cm), and the appearance of large auroral anomalies and a change of the Jupiter - Io system of currents.


Update Note: A stream of ionized hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, etc. is being directed to Jupiter from the volcanic areas of Io through a one million amperes flux tube. It is affecting the character of Jupiter's magnetic process and intensifying it's plasma genesis.[Z.I.Vselennaya "Earth and Universe" N3, 1997 plo-9 by NASA data]
* A series of Martian atmosphere transformations increasing its biosphere quality. In particularly, a cloudy growth in the equator area and an unusual growth of ozone concentration.


Update Note: Mars Surveyor Satellite encountered an atmospheric density double that projected by NASA upon entering a Mars orbit. This greater density bent one of the solar array arms beyond the full and open stop. This combination of events has delayed the beginning of the scheduled photo mission for one year.
* A first stage atmosphere generation on the Moon, where a growing natrium atmosphere is detected that reaches 9,000 km in height.

* Significant physical, chemical and optical changes observed on Venus; an inversion of dark and light spots detected for the first time, and a sharp decrease of sulfur-containing gases in its atmosphere.

* A Change in the Quality of Interplanetary Space Towards an Increase in Its Interplanetary and Solar-Planetary Transmitting Properties.

When speaking of new energetic and material qualities of interplanetary space, we must first point out the increase of the interplanetary domains energetic charge, and level of material saturation. This change of the typical mean state of interplanetary space has two main causes:

* The supply/inflow of matter from interstellar space. (Radiation material, ionized elements, and combinations.)

* The after effects of Solar Cycle 22 activity, especially as a result of fast coronal mass ejection's [CME's] of magnetized solar plasmas.

What does it all mean?

We of the overarching Sagittarius Dwarf Elliptical Galaxy have finally come down next to, and even with the massively powerful spiral armed equatorial plane of the Milky Way Galaxy.

In our movement through space, our Earth has now fully begun to respond to the more powerful galactic energies and electro-gravitational bias of the massive Milky Way. We have reached the higher energy equatorial disc region of the massive spiral arm. We have now been "adopted" by a new system, a stronger and more powerful system, and we can expect changes on almost every level of energy.

Whatever these changes are, they are all part of the natural birth, death, rebirth and transformation of the cosmos. As our knowledge of the universe grows, we cannot but understand how much we do not understand. Such is life.

[For further reading we suggest you go to Matthew Perkins Erwin's blog; abc.net.au which was the basis of this summary.]

Readers may also be interested to read about Doomsday: The Mayan Prophecy.



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From Dan Eden:

Back when the telescope was first invented, those who observed the movement of the planets postulated that the Earth was not the center of "God's creation" and were criticized, imprisoned and even put to death as heretics. The criticism was usually vague and simply stated that things were not that way because... everyone should know they it's just not that way... A paradigm is always difficult to change and seldom yields to a newer idea without much dialog and discussion.

When we published this story in June of 2007 we hoped it would initiate some thought and perhaps get people asking questions. It sure did that! But we also received comments from such sources as badastronomy.com which amounted to declaring we were wrong because... everyone should know it's just not that way...

Viewzone understands that our readers are not idiots and can decide for themselves if certain theories or interpretations are worthy of consideration. A majority of the feedback we received was positive. As always, we will continue to report new ideas and let you use your own intellect, intuition and common sense. Thanks.

Dan Eden.



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Hi Dan,

I've been considering a hypothesis that might explain why the Inuit (and others) are noticing that the sun is not rising and setting where it has in the past. Some have suggested this is due to a pole shift, but that can't be because Polaris would be in a different place -- as would the constellations.

My hypothesis is that the angle of the ecliptic is changing while the Earth's tilt (relative to the galactic plane and constellations) remains fixed. I liken this effect to a gyroscope sitting on a see-saw, where Earth is the gyro, Sol is a heat source at the center of the see-saw, and finally the ecliptic plane is the see-saw itself.

Consider this:

To understand my hypothesis consider this analogy. Place a spinning gyroscope on a see-saw that has a heat source (1000W lamp?) located at the center ( i.e. fulcrum point) of the see-saw. As the see-saw moves up or down, the gyro remains upright Ð much like your upper torso would remain upright if you were sitting on the see-saw. If you tilt the see-saw downward enough -- let's say on the side that the gyro is sitting -- then the upper part of the gyro would receive more heat. If you then move the gyro to the other side of the see-saw without changing the inclination of the see-saw, the lower part of the gyro would receive more heat.

Now substitute:

See-Saw = Ecliptic
Heat Source = Sun
Gyro = Earth
Moving gyro to other side of see-saw = 1/2 year orbit around sun

I think you see what I'm getting at. This analogy could be used to explain why ice is melting on both poles, and why our seasons are harsher and why there are reports of the sun rising and setting in different locations than in the past. Your thoughts?

Cheers,

[blastawaycas]

THANKS FOR THAT REPLY JUDYKOTT THAT WOULD KIND OF EXPLAIN THINGS AWAY
SO I AM NOT GOING NUTS!!!!!!!!!!
KINDEST REGARDS DAVE CASTER

[Jacqui D]

yes as so many of you have discussed already there is something odd about the sun.

We have had it low before as i am only 5ft 1in also i have noticed this before whilst in the car but i have to agree that it does seem exceptionally bright and white.
I noticed this last summer also but it is strange that it should be white!

[Czymra]

I have wondered as well but I've been moving so frequently through different latitudes lately that I don't have a fix spot to liken it to. It does seem extremely low however for a longer time than I was used before.

[firefly]

I too noticed the sun white last summer here in Australia and again this summer. Usually the sun is whiter in our winters down here but have noticed absolutely that the sun was in a lower position than normal. And I have mentioned it to friends that the sun is white instead of bright yellow.

Strange times!


firefly

[oldpaganfreak]

as i said before, i haven't noticed any change. i live in a deep valley. on dec 21, the sun is just above the horizon. this has not changed in the 18 years i have lived here. if the angle was lower, it would not show above the horizon. dec 21 last, showed no difference. if it did, my solar power system would not operate.
perhaps the change, it it is for real, shows more at lower latitudes. at 56N, there is no change.

[Egg]

Originally Posted by Egg

Here is the screen cut I made of it so that we can all see that NASA on their page admitted the sun was in the wrong place and that the spirit rover was working as it should, where it should of been and on track. That just leaves the sun in the wrong place.

I am starting to wonder if all of the planets have shifted slightly in their orbits because I too have noticed our sun is a smaller bit out of 'where it should be'
because for the first year ever the sun at midday peeked through our kitchen window.

We lived in this house a long time!

NASA have no explaination for Rovers little mishap though.

[Czymra]

Let's get specific then. Who has noticed a difference, how long have you been living there and where are you?

Kathleen would you surrender your whereabouts or at least the vicinity?

[blastawaycas]

WELL I'VE NOTICED A DIFFERENCE AS I SAID LIVED IN MIDDLESBROUGH ALL MY LIFE AND AS MANY WILL KNOW IS IN THE NORTH EAST OF ENGLAND SO WE HAVE THE SUN RISING OVER THE NORTH SEA AND SETTING OBVIOUSLY IN THE WEST
KINDEST REGARDS DAVE CASTER

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by blastawaycas

WELL I'VE NOTICED A DIFFERENCE AS I SAID LIVED IN MIDDLESBROUGH ALL MY LIFE AND AS MANY WILL KNOW IS IN THE NORTH EAST OF ENGLAND SO WE HAVE THE SUN RISING OVER THE NORTH SEA AND SETTING OBVIOUSLY IN THE WEST
KINDEST REGARDS DAVE CASTER

That's 54N then and change. It would only make sense to look at the latitude I believe but correct me if I'm misinterpreting the earth's tilt.

[oldpaganfreak]

Originally Posted by Kathleen

Are the Inuit further north than you Oldpaganfreak? Not sure...but I too have been in my place over 20 yrs and have noticed the diff.

the inuit are way north of me. the northwest territories begin at 60N i live at 56N. and the inuit life a long ways north in the nwt. at least 1500 miles to the southern ones.

[oldpaganfreak]

ps. any alaskans, or far northern canadians on the forum?

[blastawaycas]

middlesbrough latitude is.....54 degrees 34 minutes NORTH
longitude is...1 degree 14 minutes WEST
ACCORDING TO TIME AND DATE.COM

Thankyou all for this very interesting thread
kindest regards Dave Caster