Less Nicotine = More Cigarettes

peaceandlove · 06-13-2009, 10:54 AM

More money for the coffers of corporate USA who create more coughers in the USA.

Could I make a request for a Red Flag Emoticon?

Less nicotine = more cigarettes

Posted by JohnB2 on 06/12/09 10:11 AM

Legislation approved by the Senate yesterday will enable the FDA to regulate tobacco products, including control of factors such as nicotine content of cigarettes. Story here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061100323.html

Besides infringing on personal freedom and intervening in the market, this legislation overlooks the simple fact that decereasing the amount of nicotine in cigarettes by, let's say half, will cause smokers to buy twice as many cigarettes to accomodate their nicotine fix. That's like trying to combat obescity by mandating that Dunkin' Donuts sell the same fattening donuts in packages of 3 instead of 6.

It's no wonder Philip Morris whole-heartedly supported passage of the new law. FDA Regulates Tobacco, And Phillip Morris Cheers http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/11/fda...e-tobacco.html

Bill Anderson's thoughts here. Prohibition is “Perfect” http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/027296.html
Rob Watts explains the un-constitutionality of the law here: Tobacco and the Constitution http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=19848

SOURCE: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=19862

peaceandlove · 06-13-2009, 06:56 PM

IS AUTHORITARIANISM RIGHT?

Can the Tobacco Police correct bad habits?

Exasperation abounds!

Prohibition creates a black market!

Ron Paul on Government Regulation Of Tobacco 6/12/09

Posted by minnesotachris on 06/12/09 10:21 PM

VIDEO (3:51): http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=19907

Moxie · 06-13-2009, 10:24 PM

It should be, yes, that individuals inform themselves about products & foods they use but just as hydrogenated fats had their wave of awareness, the news just doesn't get around about all the chemicals included in the processing of tobacco, including sugars.

I happen to smoke tobacco and have found that smoking pure, specie tobacco (non-hybridized) has resulted in smoking less, not more. Plus it tends to burn more slowly and has a tendency to go out.

Smoking pure tobacco costs alot more (don't know why since they don't have to use processing chemicals in there along w/added sugars etc). And, many people have successfully weaned themselves down to fewer smokes by using pure tobacco and have found it easier to put them down altogether after a time.

There's a theory out there that the added sugars trigger the body into a sugar craving
even tho the sugars don't metabolize the same as when you ingest them, it tricks the body into a craving.

I do favor publicizing the hazards of the chemicals used in processing tobacco & paper etc...because I tend to believe that is the biggest problem w/the tobacco issue.

peaceandlove · 06-13-2009, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moxie

It should be, yes, that individuals inform themselves about products & foods they use but just as hydrogenated fats had their wave of awareness, the news just doesn't get around about all the chemicals included in the processing of tobacco, including sugars.

I do favor publicizing the hazards of the chemicals used in processing tobacco & paper etc...because I tend to believe that is the biggest problem w/the tobacco issue.

Blessings Moxie,

Yes I have a list around here somewere of the 400 different chemicals that are used in commercial cigarettes. The more turpentine they put in them the faster they burn.

These two article were on Natural News yesterday.

Senate Passes Pathetic Tobacco Control Bill

(NaturalNews) There's no other word to describe it: The U.S. Senate's tobacco control bill is pathetic. It bans candy cigarettes and fruit-flavored cigarettes, but doesn't even require cigarette companies to disclose the ingredients they use until nearly a year-and-a-half later. The bill bans the use of the word "light" from cigarette packages, but even the tobacco companies admit this will make virtually no difference, as smokers have grown accustomed to buying cigarettes labeled with color codes that indicate a "light" designation.

And perhaps most importantly, this bill now puts the FDA in the position of approving the marketing and consumption of a product that directly promotes heart disease, strokes and cancer. The FDA, in other words, will now lend its stamp of approval to a product that openly kills people.

Continues: http://www.naturalnews.com/026438_to...FDA_drugs.html

American Medical Association Promoted Tobacco, Cigarettes in its Medical Journal

Friday, June 12, 2009 by: Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor

(NaturalNews) This article originally ran on NaturalNews in 2007, but given the recent passage of a "tobacco control bill" by the U.S. Senate, it deserves repeating. Read this article to learn some rather shocking information about the history of collaboration between Big Tobacco and the American Medical Association.

Despite its stated mission, "To promote the art and science of medicine and the betterment of public health," the American Medical Association (AMA) has taken many missteps in protecting the health of the American people. One of the most striking examples is the AMA's long-term relationship with the tobacco industry.

Both the AMA and individual doctors sided with big tobacco for decades after the deleterious effects of smoking were proven. Medical historians have tracked this relationship in great detail, examining internal documents from tobacco companies and their legal counsel and public relations advisers. The overarching theme of big tobacco's efforts was to keep alive the appearance of a "debate" or "controversy" of the health effects of cigarette smoking.

Continues: http://www.naturalnews.com/026437_to...ng_health.html

Northern Boy · 06-13-2009, 11:41 PM

Wow thats great less nicotine

What about the Tar, Arsenic and multitudes of other cancer causing ingredients in them since there`s less nicotine I can assume that there will be more of this other good stuff in them now

Humble Janitor · 06-14-2009, 06:00 AM

Smoking is a disgusting thing to do, period. Before you complain about cigarette taxes, think about your loved ones and how smoking affects them.

But ya know, I'm not on a high horse or soapbox here. I smoke occasionally and I even have a hookah lying around that I haven't used yet. The tobacco I have for it only has .5% tar and nicotine.

I am biased against smoking everyday. I have an uncle that died and he smoked for years. My mother refuses to quit for good.

06-13-2009, 10:54 AM	#1
peaceandlove Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Turtle Island Posts: 2,776	Less Nicotine = More Cigarettes More money for the coffers of corporate USA who create more coughers in the USA. Could I make a request for a Red Flag Emoticon? Less nicotine = more cigarettes Posted by JohnB2 on 06/12/09 10:11 AM Legislation approved by the Senate yesterday will enable the FDA to regulate tobacco products, including control of factors such as nicotine content of cigarettes. Story here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...061100323.html Besides infringing on personal freedom and intervening in the market, this legislation overlooks the simple fact that decereasing the amount of nicotine in cigarettes by, let's say half, will cause smokers to buy twice as many cigarettes to accomodate their nicotine fix. That's like trying to combat obescity by mandating that Dunkin' Donuts sell the same fattening donuts in packages of 3 instead of 6. It's no wonder Philip Morris whole-heartedly supported passage of the new law. FDA Regulates Tobacco, And Phillip Morris Cheers http://www.forbes.com/2009/06/11/fda...e-tobacco.html Bill Anderson's thoughts here. Prohibition is “Perfect” http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...es/027296.html Rob Watts explains the un-constitutionality of the law here: Tobacco and the Constitution http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=19848 SOURCE: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=19862 Last edited by peaceandlove; 06-13-2009 at 11:12 AM.

06-13-2009, 06:56 PM	#2
peaceandlove Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Turtle Island Posts: 2,776	Re: Less Nicotine = More Cigarettes IS AUTHORITARIANISM RIGHT? Can the Tobacco Police correct bad habits? Exasperation abounds! Prohibition creates a black market! Ron Paul on Government Regulation Of Tobacco 6/12/09 Posted by minnesotachris on 06/12/09 10:21 PM VIDEO (3:51): http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=19907 Last edited by peaceandlove; 06-13-2009 at 07:04 PM.

06-13-2009, 10:24 PM	#3
Moxie Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Beaver Lake, AR Posts: 402	Re: Less Nicotine = More Cigarettes It should be, yes, that individuals inform themselves about products & foods they use but just as hydrogenated fats had their wave of awareness, the news just doesn't get around about all the chemicals included in the processing of tobacco, including sugars. I happen to smoke tobacco and have found that smoking pure, specie tobacco (non-hybridized) has resulted in smoking less, not more. Plus it tends to burn more slowly and has a tendency to go out. Smoking pure tobacco costs alot more (don't know why since they don't have to use processing chemicals in there along w/added sugars etc). And, many people have successfully weaned themselves down to fewer smokes by using pure tobacco and have found it easier to put them down altogether after a time. There's a theory out there that the added sugars trigger the body into a sugar craving even tho the sugars don't metabolize the same as when you ingest them, it tricks the body into a craving. I do favor publicizing the hazards of the chemicals used in processing tobacco & paper etc...because I tend to believe that is the biggest problem w/the tobacco issue.

06-13-2009, 11:41 PM	#5
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: Less Nicotine = More Cigarettes Wow thats great less nicotine What about the Tar, Arsenic and multitudes of other cancer causing ingredients in them since there`s less nicotine I can assume that there will be more of this other good stuff in them now

06-14-2009, 06:00 AM	#6
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: Less Nicotine = More Cigarettes Smoking is a disgusting thing to do, period. Before you complain about cigarette taxes, think about your loved ones and how smoking affects them. But ya know, I'm not on a high horse or soapbox here. I smoke occasionally and I even have a hookah lying around that I haven't used yet. The tobacco I have for it only has .5% tar and nicotine. I am biased against smoking everyday. I have an uncle that died and he smoked for years. My mother refuses to quit for good.