Billy Meier's Contacts & Prophecies:23rd feb-coast vids.

[Antaletriangle]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41_Am...x=0&playnext=1
Monday February 23rd, 2009
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Welcome back Aaron!Thanks.
Billy Meier's Contacts & Prophecies

Representative for contactee Billy Meier, Michael Horn spoke about Meier's long standing communications with an ET group called the Plejarens, and the dire prophecies they shared with him. Horn also discussed Meier's UFO photos which he said skeptics have not been able to replicate.

Meier was purportedly given ET metal samples. One such sample, studied by scientist Marcel Vogel, was said to contain the rare earth element thulium and showed evidence of having crystalline structures inside the metal, Horn reported. He believes that Meier is the reincarnated spirit of such prophets as Elijah, Enoch and Mohammed. Prophetic writings, Meier was said to pen in 1958, included warnings of countries going bankrupt from fiscal irresponsibility, two wars with Iraq, and the disease AIDS.

Some of Meier's other prophecies include a 9.0 quake that will last for five minutes off the coast of Oregon, and a huge earthquake in San Francisco that will topple the Transamerica Pyramid. According to Horn, in 1978, witnesses such as Wendelle Stevens saw Meier's "photos taken in the future," which showed the aftermath of this San Francisco quake. Interestingly, the cars in the photos were said to be of a more rounded design than in the seventies, and didn't have rear view mirrors. Horn noted that some new car models are coming out that use cameras instead of mirrors, and he estimated this style could be commonplace 3-7 years from now.

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courtesy:aliendeceptions channel.

[Luminari]

Thanks, I was looking for this one last night.

Too controversial for many, the UFO community that doesn't take this case seriously has no credibility given the amount of evidence, the depth of the data and its ongoing nature.

[alyscat]

It may be his or other's claims that he's the reincarnated Elijah and stuff like that. Or that he is the ONLY contactee who has been REALLY contacted. Or the fact that some of his photos look just a little -- offputting. <G>

He may well be legit, I don't know and can't tell - as with everything else, the proof is in the pudding.

alys

[Surial]

I tried listening to this show and I could not get interested. Mr. Horn babbles too much and doesn't get to the material quick enough for me. It was like sifting through sand and finding an M&M. He was promoting his movie and talking in circles.

However, I do enjoy the Billy Meier material. But it is probably better to go directly to the material itself. It is common sense that if we do not change our ways, we will destroy each other due to overpopulation. However, creating new technologies in energy and food production could help the transition from this age to the next.

I say, if we have the Stargate technology, lets have half the population populate on Mars. Terraform Mars, and create an Exodus.

I am sure Mars is already colonized. Cut the puppet strings, organize a better system of living and let Earth balance itself out. I know these are all fantasy solutions. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in our race's future on Earth.

[giovonni]

Greeting's to all,
I agree with Surial, Michael Horn seems more inclined in pushing his own agenda. He always talks in circles. Maybe, because Billy's (handlers) have him on a tight leash? I have oftened wondered about Billy's> choices in press rep's (handler) types? Billy is getting old now, kept in a cocoon sheath for his own protection. Whereas his story (messages) and material, is extremely engrossing and holds much validity, has its true value in these times expired?
There is no question in my mind, much of the research and findings have been purposefully shunned and ignored.

[micjer]

I really have mixed emotions about the whole Billy Meier thing. There seems to be predictions that have come true (published in the 50's) and there seems to be pictures that could well be legit.

But there are also some pictures that they are defending that are really insulting to our intelligence. What bugs me is their insistance that they are real.





This wedding cake ufo really bothers me. How many current sightings look any where close to this barrel lid?

[J_rod7]

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OOOH, AHH - Look at the Bright Shiny UFO.

That seem to be as far as most people seem to get.

The Spiritual Teachings are for all Human Beings on Earth. The knowledge of the Truth of Creation supersedes the value of all other knowledge "discovered" by orders of magnitude. That the PRIMARY SOURCE of such revealed Truths seems to escape the notice of most people, stuck on the "Bright Shiny UFO" as they are.

The Source itself is from a highly evolved Spirit level, known as Arahat Athersata. This level of Spiritual evolution is beyond even that level of the Humans coming to us from the Plejares. From beyond even the level of the Andromeda Council, which the Plejarens look to for THEIR own guidance.

Billy and the Plejarens have opened the Doors for Earth Humanity to receive this knowledge, in order to stimulate our Spiritual Evolution on Earth. Billy was CHOSEN for this Mission from before his birth.

The Truth of these teachings WILL go forth into all Humanity. It is like "the Great Rock, carved from the Mountain, which will roll on without stop." The time-scale for this: before the finish of 800 more years. Then, WE ALL go forward as one united Human Family. Those from ALL the Stars, now watching our progress, will THEN accept us among them.

OOOH, Those coming IN the Bright Shiny UFOs have much to tell us.

In Peace

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[Luminari]

J Rod 7, maybe you can please tell me; what happened to Randolph Winters?

Mr Horn is lacking in humility, has gone out of his way to attack people when it was not necessary, ie: the exopolitics people (not referring to this latest interview). Makes offensive and silly claims that there are no other contactees or even genuine UFOs that are not somehow related to the Meier case.. And sells the Meier material at high prices on dozens of separate discs when they could easily fit altogether on 1 data disc.

Im sure he believes he is doing his 'misson' well but I think he is doing it in a very unspiritual business like manner. I am still and have been supporting Mr Horns mostly commendable efforts for years but these are some of my issues with his involvement.

I encourage people if they haven't done so, to watch 'The Pleiadian Connection' by Randolph Winters and other lectures from that era. And like J Rod correctly pointed out The teachings of creational laws and spiritual evolution are THE most important aspect of this whole case.. NOT what 'cars' these guys are driving or whether you believe the skeptic dubunking re: the wedding cake photos (there are dozens of other authentic photos by Meier anyway, so the wedding cake ship is irrelevant in the big picture).

Mr Meier is a pure-hearted guy who never personally claimed to be a prophet.
That is information given to him by the Plejaren.
I agree that this case would be 1 million times easier for people to believe if they had never told Meier that he was formerly Jmmanuel AND Mohammed AND several other biblical prophets.. an error on their judgment? Who are WE to really know, it is hard.

[J_rod7]

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Warmest Greetings to All in Peace,

I address here the confusion as to "how many true contactees," and certain misperceptions of Billy as the "only contactee."
Following is conversation recorded in Message From the Pleiades, the Contact Notes of Eduard Billy Meier.
These books have been re-released, available at: http://www.theyfly.com/

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39th Contact

Date of contact: Wednesday, 3 December 1975

Semjase- 135/ So I will tell you the data once more respecting the contactees to dispel all misunderstanding. Earth contactees of greater meaning are those 21 who I have named for you.
137/ Besides this, there are still three more important persons whose names I was still not allowed to give to you.
138/ Besides these, you are most important of all, because you have to fulfill the mission of offering the spiritual lessons, for which reason you have been prepared for your prophecy since earliest childhood.
139/ Furthermore, there are still more than 17,000 Earth human beings who are consciously or unconsciously in contact with extraterrestrial intelligences.
142/ Besides these can still be named different hundreds of persons who became known to the world publicly for having come into contact with extraterrestrial creatures, and who still partly maintain these contacts.

Billy- But please tell me now in a list your data, and also tell me how many Earth human beings have already seen [TRUE] UFOs, if you know this data.

Semjase- 161/ The amount of [true] observers might already reach the first billion.

168/ [The number of] 173 of the 17,718 contactees have a half-important meaning in fulfillment of certain missions.
170/ [The number of] 24 of the 17,718 contactees have greater importance in the fulfillment of certain missions.
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35th Contact (Link)= http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_M...tact_Report_35

Date of contact: Tuesday, 16 September 1975

Ptaah- The next inhabited system is around five lightyears away from Earth.
998/ Different worlds in that system are inhabited by human forms of life, who differ little from your races.
999/ In their development they are some years in advance of that of the Earth human beings, spiritually as well as technologically.
1001/ They have already achieved space-flight in primitive form, and also do visit Earth.

1006/ Besides the other races of these worlds, this one race comes often to Earth.
1007/ This is because their homeworld, which is no greater than Earth herself, suffers from overcrowding, and needs huge quantities of food.
1008/ For this reason, beings from that planet, called "Akart", come to Earth often to collect there plants, vegetables, fruits and grains, to nourish their 23 billion population.

Billy- ...do other creatures in that system also come to Earth,

Ptaah- 1016/ The others come there and also to Earth, but this occurs rather seldom.
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An extensive list of media reports, books, videos, and articles - reference Billy, the Plejarens, and the Mission, are found at this Link:
http://meiercase.0x2a.info/meiercase/001/index.php

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I hope this clears up some misperceptions. Cheers

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[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Luminari

J Rod 7, maybe you can please tell me; what happened to Randolph Winters?

If anyone can answer this question, would be greatly appreciated.

[Antonia]

I'm not sure how benevelent Billy Meyers ET's are or whether Billy's own views get caught up in the translation... the material always seems to be going in the right direction and then some little somthing, to me, just sounds wrong... I was wondering if these were really Paladians??? Or others posing as something ... maybe they are who they say they are but a different faction who are niether good nor bad....

As for Micheal Horn... I cant watch or listen to him.... I just get a bad feeling... I had to stop entertaining the energy of his surmon when he started going on about people in the third world choosing to starve to death and that by feeding them we are interfearing with their karma.....

By ignoring them we are not fulfilling our own karma... I believe...

Even the Ra material when asked the same question answerd "If someone is hungry... you feed them..... " end off...!

[micjer]

Luminaria said:

(there are dozens of other authentic photos by Meier anyway, so the wedding cake ship is irrelevant in the big picture).

You may think it is irrelevant but to me it makes everything else questionable. If they came out and said that Billy was making a model to represent what a lot of the UFO's looked like, I would be OK with it. But to insult our intelligence with this beauty really bothers me.

To me it makes me wonder what else is false or made up.
To be honest until I saw this, I truly believed the whole story and felt that it was all authentic.

If this was in a court of law it would be thrown out because of reasonable doubt.

[BROOK]

Those pictures remind me of this secret
UFO base I ran across...

[micjer]

Originally Posted by Luminari

If anyone can answer this question, would be greatly appreciated.

You may not like what I found...


This is what Billy wrote saying that Randolph was not telling the truth.

Randolph Winters was never on the "staff of FIGU." He was a self-proclaimed FIGU member who ultimately was out to cash in on what he viewed as a marketable "product". FIGU's and Meier's disassociation with him has been known for years. (whether or not Winters cares to admit the truth of what really happened). His material, which I've listened to for years, is full of verifiable errors, therefore why would you trust with certainty anything he has to say?

Posted by FIGU in 1994:

Randolph Winters New Lies, Misrepresentations, Errors and Intrigues from the USA Within certain circles in the United States of America, Randolph Winters is a well known and popular man because he depicts himself as a direct and authorized Billy Meier representative, and boasts, particularly at lectures, of his close association and collaboration with Billy and the F.I.G.U. - which is a verifiable lie. Without authorization, and in spite of a prohibition by F.I.G.U. and the Pleiadians to do so, Randolph Winters has the audacity to give lectures and radio/TV interviews, and at the height of impertinence and disdain he formed The Pleiades Project. Randolph Winters, who may be considered as one of the Mission's greatest liars and profiteers in the USA today, has now published a book with the grandiose title The Pleiadian Mission. In it he unleashes information on Billy's contacts, the Pleiadian mission and F.I.G.U. and launches wild and shabby proclamations that are not based on any truthful background whatsoever. (The same applies to Winters' UFO - The Pleiadian Contacts, a 16 audio tape set plus a book of drawings and diagrams, and the video tape The Pleiadian Connection.)

Billy Meier and F.I.G.U. hereby expressly distance themselves from Winters' deception and are able to state, after an in-depth review, that the book contains numerous untruthful details and many lies as well as misrepresentations, e.g., Randolph's claim that the contacts had been terminated in 1978. It is a lie that the contacts with the Pleiadians have ended on Thursday, October 19, 1978, and that Billy was incapable of heading F.I.G.U., as Winters states on page 232 in his book The Pleiadian Mission. The truth is that the contacts are ongoing even now (1994), and neither the Pleiadians nor Billy are planning to end the contacts in the near future.

Concerning the contact reports it must be stated that the 115th contact took place on October 19, 1978, and that Billy has since had 174 additional contacts. Of these 174 contacts, 135 were official and the basis for contact reports; 39 were of an unofficial nature and no contact reports were written on them. At this time, late 1994, 250 official contact reports are in evidence. There exist many very erroneous statements in Randolph Winters' book regarding data, representations of truth on Creation, and other specifications and statements of facts and the like. The material Randolph Winters used in his book had been given to him by Billy in confidence for Randolph's own use, respectively his personal progression. In effect, however, the material was later stolen and utilized for commercial and profiteering purposes without ever having received any type of authorization to do so, without asking Billy for his permission, or without compensating Billy in any manner for unlawfully using his material and intellectual information, to mention but a few points.

"Billy" Eduard Albert Meier
Semjase-Silver-Star-Center
CH-8495 Hinterschmidrueti ZH, Switzerland

[micjer]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Those pictures remind me of this secret
UFO base I ran across...

Too funny!!


My take on all of this is that Billy probably did have contact with ET's. A lot of his predictions have come true and his philosophies of life are very good. Where I feel the whole thing has been distorted is in too many people trying to capitalize on him and making the story bigger than it actually was to personally profit from Billy. I believe that some of the pictures were fabricated to enhance the interest of people.

It is little wonder that Billy tried to distance himself from the outside world as he grew tired of their intentions.

I personally feel it is similar to what has happened to the story of Jesus and the manipulation by the PTB to suppress the truth.

[J_rod7]

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Originally Posted by micjer

Too funny!!

My take on all of this is that Billy probably did have contact with ET's. A lot of his predictions have come true and his philosophies of life are very good. Where I feel the whole thing has been distorted is in too many people trying to capitalize on him and making the story bigger than it actually was to personally profit from Billy. I believe that some of the pictures were fabricated to enhance the interest of people.

It is little wonder that Billy tried to distance himself from the outside world as he grew tired of their intentions...

Micjer, absolutely Spot-On about the fabricated pictures. It was very common knowledge during the 70's that Spy Agencies from several countries were everywhere around Billy, especially when contacts and flight demonstrations were active.

When rolls of film were taken for commercial development, quite often the negatives were duplicated, with the originals taken by such agents. Sometimes, even the returned duplicates came back with some frames missing or altered.

In those days, Billy trusted people to a fault. All kinds of people, including the spies, agents, and the MIB (Gizah intelligences in disguise), were constantly coming and going through his house. These were coming among the legitimate Interviewers, Journalists, and Investigators, and other Curious people. Photos and other materials were laid out in the kitchen or living room areas for investigators, and some were stolen, and some were switched for deceptive purposes.

If you can still find a copy (library?) of the book Lightyears by Gary Kinder, that is an objective account from an investigative reporter, which is quite revealing of events around Billy during those times. Recommended reading.!

Brook, absolutely love that photo of "the secret base."

In Peace

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[Luminari]

Thanks micjer!

I had a fair idea but wanted to see what people on this forum knew about the Winters - FIGU relationship and whether Randolf had done anything interesting recently. Liar or not, he seemed genuine enough and I really liked his warm communicative friendly manner in contrast to Horn. Billy is right about americans wanting to cash in.. they have all done so.

I know about the picture of the pterydactyl, yes I agree that is very damning evidence, and the resemblence of the bin lid to the edge of the wedding cake is uncanny. Without hearing from Billy personally I am willing to admit the possibilty of the pterydactyl photo being switched with the original to make him look like a liar.. has happened to him before.

The official explanation for the bin lid wedding cake similarity is out of this world!!! I remember hearing something about how civil engineers and designers of various industrial implements have been mentally influenced by the Plejaren to incorporate certain design elements.. I will have to find the text for you.

The case is too confrontational, I'm going to take a step back.

I am a believer that this case is legit despite the more bizzare aspects mentioned above. I look forward to the new book and also the english release of 'OM' which hopefully will come later this year.

Salome

[micjer]

Luminari said,

The case is too confrontational, I'm going to take a step back.

Oh don't do that. This is all about getting to the bottom of this. This debate has gone on for 30 plus years.

This case would not still be around today if there were not some truth to it.

It has been cluttered, whether on purpose by gov types or whatever, but there is gems buried in the trash that we had better hang on to.

[NorthernSanctuary]

you may think it is irrelevant but to me it makes everything else questionable.

My understanding was that he was initially very free with giving his pictures, time, and openly receiving people, some of whom were from US intelligence (I think it was the CIA), on a mission to discredit him. So false pictures were inserted back into his files, as well as having lost a lot of physical evidence that the plejarians gave him.

There is no doubt that his experiences were real in my mind; his pictures existed before the PC, and all the image processing software that is common today. Some of his physical evidence has been confirmed by scientist as being beyond our present technical capability decades ago.

[micjer]

If anybody finds anything let us know!!!