Between Lives - A Deeper Look

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by TraineeHuman

Gnosis5, I agree it’s true that we can evolve spiritually only by facing the reality of where we are at, which does include facing all the undesirable habits. However, I believe the best way to do that may not necessarily be the way you – and I assume most scientologists – do it. I can relate an anecdote in support of my claim.

Sufiism has three sects. Of these, the “advanced” sect are the Nashqbandi. Its two High Sheiks (its heads) used to frequently travel around the entire world, to interview all the spiritual teachers and telepathically take in everything they had to teach. They found the homes of all such teachers purely through using blind clairvoyance/telepathy. Maybe the High Sheiks continue to do this to this day. But I know they visited Australia in the late 1970s. At that time they visited, among others, a man who was my therapist and spiritual teacher at the time. He had been a staff member of scientology, but dropped out in 1977 to start his own practice using some scientology techniques. According to a sign at the Sydney headquarters, he was one of the first scientology “clears” in Sydney.

The sheiks camped their tent in his living room for two weeks. He said they proceeded to use telepathy to go through his mind to search out every detail of what he knew, as if they were searching through a filing cabinet. At the end of this, they told him their conclusion. They told him that he was “determined to cross the quicksand by wading through it, instead of by flying over it”. According to them, this wouldn’t work very effectively. There was an easier way, they said.

So I don’t believe it’s a matter of having to wade through all one’s negativity before one is ready to for more positive things.

Thank you for further clarification. What you are telling me is very intriguing and I would certainly like to know what they themselves compiled at the end of their project. Would save me a lot of compiling work :-) I am of the mindset that any technology or technique can be improved upon.

Yes, I know my path, basically a ramped up version of Dianetics, can be a lug at times: Like hacking through a thorny jungle covered mountain (of one's own creation) until one finally reaches the altitude where there are sweet meadows with songbirds :-) The path does lead back to first separation from Static though, and processing from that viewpoint makes it worth the lug.

Flying over the quicksand is something I have a heavy suspicion that I have done in other schools other lifetimes -- and here I am again :=( -- ruled by aspects I identify with, so I thought I would try something different this time around :-) If the only way "out" is through then I might be onto something.

Also, please consider this, after wading through some quicksand for many sessions I finally popped out of the Stream of Life. And out of session, I have also visited the two universes above, and the universe below (talk about quicksand!). I'm not saying that as bragging about myself but more about the results, to give you some more data about what's going on with me.

Have you considered that we also may be representing two poles? For example, looking at your idea (flying over) and looking at mine (slugging through) I see how the two could interact with each other or support each other and not be opposed at all.

For example, if it always holds true that everytime a being runs a "flying over" process they will automatically stimulate an incident that tells them they cannot do that, would not running out the incident they are sitting in be in order?

If you have more specifics then I can participate better in the discussion. I really appreciate the data you have already given me. This is not the first time I have been told this, mostly by the beings who did not lose all their magic when they dropped down here. I could also see children being able to run lighter processes.

BTW, I do recall going to a "flying" school and it was tres cool :-) I'm not flying now though [whine] :-(

cheers!
colleen

[TraineeHuman]

I would certainly like to know what they themselves compiled at the end of their project. Would save me a lot of compiling work :-) I am of the mindset that any technology or technique can be improved upon.

Unfortunately, Colleen, the Sheiks apparently said that wading through the quicksand doesn’t work (at least, I presume, generally speaking) to get you “over to the other side”. Even if they had published a report, surely it would still have been asserting the same conclusion.

However, there’s a certain amount of truth in your point that “wading” and “flying over” are in some sense two different poles of the same thing. I guess the objection to “wading” might be expressed as:

“There’s no need to become an alcoholic in order to see and understand how destructive alcoholism is.”

In “reply”, you or a scientologist might point out that e.g. scientologists don’t indulge the desire to murder somebody they happen to hate. Rather, they indulge that desire under (supposedly) safe conditions and thereby remove such a desire from their system. My counter to that might be:

“The only effective and permanent cure for alcoholism, once the physical addiction has been cured, is to find something positive from which the person obtains greater satisfaction or pleasure than he/she did from drinking. It’s a matter of getting the person to ignore the negative by concentrating on something positive.”

I do know that traditionally, many Muslims considered they knew these Nashqbandi Sheikhs to be “Lords of karma”. One thing I understaned that implied would be that the Sheikhs do have some kind of influence on what positive ideas get “planted” in human civilization. (Maybe they did “table their report”!) Well, it was Freud’s idea that psychotherapy or liberation of the psyche amounted to recalling all your unpleasant experiences from the past and facing them. Hubbard was strongly influenced by and followed Freud on some points, including this one. With the passage of the years, Freudian psychotherapy was replaced by behavior therapy (“carrot and stick” therapy). Recently, in social work and similar fields, behavior therapy has been found to be less effective and also not yielding of as quick results as “person-centred psychotherapy/ psychology”. The latter is all about self-esteem. It’s all about building a person’s self-liking and self-acceptance and self-forgiveness and feeling of being valuable first, and only then getting them to face and take responsibility for their weaknesses and failures – i.e., to do it from a happy or a “winner’s” perspective. This does also involve learning how to “embrace your shadow side”, but only after you have first embraced your Higher Self.

You raise many issues and I can only comment on a few at a time.

[TraineeHuman]

Implanters are a part of the picture, not the whole, but a part, even though they have been doing their work for eons (they are connected with hyperversals). They love playing angel and devil, sort of like good cop/bad cop, and the fact that I also played both sides of all the games that exist, makes me somewhat vulnerable. Thus, better for me to be wary like a fox.

At Static one sees how they themselves created all this "Divine Comedy" and that helps one pull oneself out of the spiritual quicksand they got themselves into. Even the Maitreya being who connected with me in a very beautiful mockup, dropped his golden suit and ascended right in front of my spiritual vision. What is it about my techniques that Maitreya likes and supports?

George Kasavalas speaks verily when he warns others about the methods of the implanters: Whatever we created and then denied we become the unwilling effect of. This is why I suggest people take a deeper and closer look at their guides and angelic experiences....and keep one's own counsel.

Any being (or machine) who can read your mind can "play" you if that is their intention. What one chooses to remain ignorant about can adversely affect them. Thus I publish

I’m quite aware of the existence of what you call “implanters”. Maybe I can say more at another time. The first question I would ask, though, is: “Do you, or did you, create full psychic protection around yourself before taking part in a process?” Personally, I go to great lengths to create a number of different kinds of psychic protection before I do anything or go anywhere. As far as I’m aware, it works. (A similar opinion is ahred by many who are expert in fields such as psychic healing and so on.) There was a thread a couple of days ago regarding orgone energy. Supposedly, orgone energy wards off negative intelligences. I do, for example, also have an orgone accumulator in my living room.

It would take much too long to explain why I consider I know for certain that the beings I identify as guardian angels and healing angels actually are that. (And yes, I know, they come from the sixth dimension and therefore operate at such a subtle level it takes considerable skill to manage to identify them with any accuracy.) I do trust them, and these days I don't question their motives, I have to admit. But I do question everybody else's motives frequently, including my own.

Here are just a couple of my thoughts, though. I’m aware that various beings in the fourth dimension can be very deceptive. Nevertheless, if you challenge them by saying something like: “Show me your essence” and holding that thought still, in my experience they have no option but to drop their misleading façade. Completely. Then, in the sixth dimension, in my experience, what you see is what you get. There simply is no lying or insincerity there. The fifth dimension seems to be almost as good too, in my experience.

Another point is that if you keep looking kind of obsessively at your negatives in detail, you open yourself up to the whole world of negative vibrations, and therefore to the homeworld and the temptations of deceitful beings. Unfortunately, it doesn’t matter how much mud you wipe away, when you’re in a quagmire.

[greybeard]

Hi
I notice well intended advice on alcoholism ie in essence it is suggested to find something that will give equal pay value and be positive.
Unfortunately have been a peforming alcholic I can say it isent quite that simple.
12 steps of AA work for a lot of people.
In simplicity alcoholism is a mental physical and spiritual illness so these thee parts must be addressed.
When one stops drinking all the character defects that in part led to excessive drinking are still there and have to be removed or drinking will resume.

Between lives,
When a Sage dies the energy is still available. We may perhaps find prayer to Jesus helpful for example.
When we die according to Dr Hawkins we gravitate automatically to a realm concordant with our spiritual energy. It therefore "pays" to be kind and forgiving as each thought and action raises or lowers our vibration.
Seems also that to begin with we move temporalily to the heaven of our dreams. That may be brought about by the brain still functioning at some level as we go through the death process.
Some can remember being in between lives I cant. Enough to process in this one.

The problem of delving into any ngativity is that its a can of worms,, no end to it.
So its better to process context rather than content.

Ie the belief that there is an enemy out there covers a multitude of sins.
So if that belief is surrendered at great depth to God then a mass of negativity is delt with. You have to surrender like you mean it--- so to speak.

Realize its a bit of topic but it may be helpful.

Chris

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hi
I notice well intended advice on alcoholism ie in essence it is suggested to find something that will give equal pay value and be positive.
Unfortunately have been a peforming alcholic I can say it isent quite that simple.
12 steps of AA work for a lot of people.
In simplicity alcoholism is a mental physical and spiritual illness so these thee parts must be addressed.
When one stops drinking all the character defects that in part led to excessive drinking are still there and have to be removed or drinking will resume.

Between lives,
When a Sage dies the energy is still available. We may perhaps find prayer to Jesus helpful for example.
When we die according to Dr Hawkins we gravitate automatically to a realm concordant with our spiritual energy. It therefore "pays" to be kind and forgiving as each thought and action raises or lowers our vibration.
Seems also that to begin with we move temporalily to the heaven of our dreams. That may be brought about by the brain still functioning at some level as we go through the death process.
Some can remember being in between lives I cant. Enough to process in this one.

The problem of delving into any ngativity is that its a can of worms,, no end to it.
So its better to process context rather than content.

Ie the belief that there is an enemy out there covers a multitude of sins.
So if that belief is surrendered at great depth to God then a mass of negativity is delt with. You have to surrender like you mean it--- so to speak.

Realize its a bit of topic but it may be helpful.

Chris

Chris, you make a more complete picture than I made in this thread and posting this thread was not meant to deny other people's levels of awareness or higher vibrations, but only with what I experienced at my then vibrations when I died last lifetime. I definitely got what I vibrationally deserved :-) I too am aware of a more whole picture.

But, see! now I'm laughing whereas before I was not laughing. What got me out was going in and looking at what got me in, in the first place. I simply went for the full truth revolving around my particular between lives experiences, and I broke out of agreement with the unconscious type commands and messages that were heavily laid in on me. The best therapies address a being where he/she is at.

Last lifetime I died a miserable and deserved death. This lifetime I will die happy because I chose a different path, a more consistent consciousness raising path. This lifetime has been a big turnaround for me, and probably you have reason to feel the same way about your life. Saved at the last hour, so to speak LOL!

All worked out for good, for now I can at least be of service to others who have experienced the same level of treatment I experienced. I also no longer have any energy ridges or negative emotions towards implanters. We have all most likely been there and done that too: Looking at hundreds of past life recalls is a type of "education".

I'm sure hoping that next between lives I will choose to experience more clarity and remembrance and compassion. Perhaps someday I will be one of the good angels that gives people the courage to continue on their journey of awakening

And there will come a time when we can put away our angels and guides and 12 dimensions, and stand alone secure in our own love/truth/power by right of our Divine connectedness.

love,
gnosis

[greybeard]

Well said Gnosis5
Think you make a great job of relaying your experiences.
There seems to be a process that is unique to us that we go through.
I had to go through "house clearing" .
Twelve steps of AA as mentioned.
Bio-energy Chakra clearing.
Reiki.
Yoga.
Hypnotherapy.
I was a work aholic, Sport aholic, Playing in band aholic, everything so intense.
So a lot had to be cleared and the ego is still work in progress.

In our uniqueness whatever works Gnosis5.

With love Chris

[Gnosis5]

Unique is our middle names The more we become ourselves the more unique and monotonously unpredictable we are :-)

Like you, I had to work through some similar compulsions. If one learns well whatever technique or practices they are currently involved in, why switch if it is helping one to hold their space and improve themselves.

Once I learn well what I am currently engaged with I will KNOW when it is time to "graduate" to some other clearing technology

My message to people is, "for god's sake, just do something to balance out a culture that is a heavily weighted materialistic and sensualistic society."

Maybe I just don't move in the right circles -- I think my improved vibrations are moving me into a different and finer level of society that I previously had only a vague awareness of.

Thus, she writes,
Gnosis

[greybeard]

Hi again Gnosis5
Eckhart Tolle in his book "A New Earth" says the world needs people who do nothing in order to balance the the frenetic energy of those rushing about trying to make a few bob = Dollars in American language
Im trying real hard to do nothing

He also said that the Therapists are the anchor which is holding the new energy coming in.
So there you have it.
With love
Chris
PS

Love your avatar. Story is that the swan is the only entity that can separate milk from water/

Paramahansa (swan I think) (cant spell) Yogananda was so called because he could discern/ separate truth from falsehood.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hi again Gnosis5
Eckhart Tolle in his book "A New Earth" says the world needs people who do nothing in order to balance the the frenetic energy of those rushing about trying to make a few bob = Dollars in American language
Im trying real hard to do nothing

He also said that the Therapists are the anchor which is holding the new energy coming in.
So there you have it.
With love
Chris
PS

Love your avatar. Story is that the swan is the only entity that can separate milk from water/

Paramahansa (swan I think) (cant spell) Yogananda was so called because he could discern/ separate truth from falsehood.

Oh,, goodness! Really? Parmahansa?!? Wow! I had a very interesting experience with him: One day I asked my cat, "Where is Paramahansa?" and cat immediately looked above my head. She knew too, smartie cat

Regarding therapists, one day I found myself floating up to the top of this universe, went through a membrane and found one person I wished to communicate with in the next universe up and then I floated some more into another universe clustered up against the two universes below.

There I saw a huge sandstone colored flat carving (like a complex crop circle) and the part the beings were showing me was how money works. The schematic said, "those who are bright and educated and provide a very good service have money. Those who steal it lose it." Then they told me I could change it if I wanted to. Right then I decided to make sure that spiritual clearing therapies would be added to the registry of valuable services.

Thank you Eckhart Tolle for acknowledging the people who work hard for our personal awakening and get great pleasure in participating in our progress.

cheers!
Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by TraineeHuman

Unfortunately, Colleen, the Sheiks apparently said that wading through the quicksand doesn’t work (at least, I presume, generally speaking) to get you “over to the other side”. Even if they had published a report, surely it would still have been asserting the same conclusion.

However, there’s a certain amount of truth in your point that “wading” and “flying over” are in some sense two different poles of the same thing. I guess the objection to “wading” might be expressed as:

“There’s no need to become an alcoholic in order to see and understand how destructive alcoholism is.”

In “reply”, you or a scientologist might point out that e.g. scientologists don’t indulge the desire to murder somebody they happen to hate. Rather, they indulge that desire under (supposedly) safe conditions and thereby remove such a desire from their system. My counter to that might be:

“The only effective and permanent cure for alcoholism, once the physical addiction has been cured, is to find something positive from which the person obtains greater satisfaction or pleasure than he/she did from drinking. It’s a matter of getting the person to ignore the negative by concentrating on something positive.”

I do know that traditionally, many Muslims considered they knew these Nashqbandi Sheikhs to be “Lords of karma”. One thing I understaned that implied would be that the Sheikhs do have some kind of influence on what positive ideas get “planted” in human civilization. (Maybe they did “table their report”!) Well, it was Freud’s idea that psychotherapy or liberation of the psyche amounted to recalling all your unpleasant experiences from the past and facing them. Hubbard was strongly influenced by and followed Freud on some points, including this one. With the passage of the years, Freudian psychotherapy was replaced by behavior therapy (“carrot and stick” therapy). Recently, in social work and similar fields, behavior therapy has been found to be less effective and also not yielding of as quick results as “person-centred psychotherapy/ psychology”. The latter is all about self-esteem. It’s all about building a person’s self-liking and self-acceptance and self-forgiveness and feeling of being valuable first, and only then getting them to face and take responsibility for their weaknesses and failures – i.e., to do it from a happy or a “winner’s” perspective. This does also involve learning how to “embrace your shadow side”, but only after you have first embraced your Higher Self.

You raise many issues and I can only comment on a few at a time.

If the psychotherapies you adhere to are working for you then your reality is to be respected and you do not need to get the backing or validation or anyone or experience any need to convert others to your approach. Same with my own realities and I don't need to cite "authorities" or convert anyone to R3X. :-)

BTW, this is getting off-topic and how does what you are writing about directly tie in with the discoveries I made of between lives implanters?

My thread is a warning about implanters and an example of how to directly address this issue. If you can contribute to a reduction of the problem some people are having with these fellas please post here, thank you.

There is enough empirical evidence to show that there are implanters and there are implanters that operate on a person in between lives. My thread is published as a Public Service Announcement regarding my personal experience with between lives implanters and implantation methodologies, and how I beat the System :-)

cheers!
gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Quote: "Another point is that if you keep looking kind of obsessively at your negatives in detail, you open yourself up to the whole world of negative vibrations, and therefore to the homeworld and the temptations of deceitful beings. Unfortunately, it doesn’t matter how much mud you wipe away, when you’re in a quagmire."

Since I have heard this argument before I know this is not your original thought, therefore I leave the arguing up to you and your opinion leaders :-)

cheers!
gnosis