United Nations Charter

[orthodoxymoron]

This is a thread devoted to discussing the United Nations Charter. Here is a link to the U.N. Charter: http://www.un.org/en/documents/charter/index.shtml

Take a look at it...and tell me what you think...from the perspective of the country you live in. Is this a good document...as is...or does it need to be rewritten? My bias is in the direction of globalism based on the U.S. Constitution. Are the U.N. Charter and the U.S. Constitution compatible and complementary...or are they at war with each other? I have vowed to attempt to rewrite the U.N. Charter with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights at the heart of the new document. Is this a good idea...or a stupid idea? Has this already been done? Would the patriot movement and people like Ron Paul support the U.N. if such a new charter replaced the existing document? What would Bill Cooper, Alex Collier, Alex Jones, et al say? What would You say? I would like to see global harmony and cooperation...but I do not want peace at any price. I oppose any hint of exploitation, enslavement, extermination, or tyranny. Is there an alien connection to the United Nations? Who really tells the U.N. what to do? How powerful is the U.N.? How does the U.N. relate to the Vatican, the City of London, and Washington D.C.?

Please consider this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 regarding dictatorial theistic rule vs namaste constitutional responsible freedom. This thread undoubtedly steps on toes. It stepped on my toes...and I'm the one who is responsible for it.

Our Planet is How We Plan It. It's Your World. Does 'Our' and 'Your' Include Greys, Reptilians, Humans...and Any Other Alien Races?

[Tango]

This is just MY opinion... I think the U.N. is the most evil organization...

Responsible for the Chemtrails, or as Bush said " Those WMD got to be
around here somewhere." And he laughed...

Flouride and Aspartame in products for HUman consumpation...

Massive Arms trade between nations... Violations of 'Weapons in space.'

Mass murder of populations around the planet. Brokers for "paperclip."

It's the Mafia of the world... The shadow government... Bullies of the world...

A rothchild; rockafeller; kissinger group...

Over N' out

Tango

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by Tango

This is just MY opinion... I think the U.N. is the most evil organization...

Responsible for the Chemtrails, or as Bush said " Those WMD got to be
around here somewhere." And he laughed...

Flouride and Aspartame in products for HUman consumpation...

Massive Arms trade between nations... Violations of 'Weapons in space.'

Mass murder of populations around the planet. Brokers for "paperclip."

It's the Mafia of the world... The shadow government... Bullies of the world...

A rothchild; rockafeller; kissinger group...



Over N' out

Tango

I agree with you Tango 100 % they are all evil after all the pope runs that crew

[orthodoxymoron]

Does a rival United Nations need to be established? What if we started a 'Shadow United Nations'(S.U.N.)? Could this be an 'Electronic United Nations'? Do we need buildings? Could we establish the S.U.N. in cyberspace...at the center of the solar system? Isn't Avalon sort of an electronic U.N.? Avalon is a moon...right? Hell...the Dudes on Pluto could even participate. Membership in the S.U.N. might be granted after taking and passing an online class in international and intergalactic affairs...and paying a reasonable yearly fee to fund operations. Membership would be unlimited. Every being...human and otherwise...in the entire solar system...could be a member. Who knows what that could lead to? Peace and Happiness? Lucifer...even you could be a member...but you couldn't be the S.U.N. GOD. Can someone say 'AMEN RA'?

[mntruthseeker]

The Freedom movement (Ron Paul's group) and others are trying to do just there part.

I think it would be very hard to make a "shadow UN".........they are already made up of so many unforseen forces.....run by the pope.

The video that Ashtav had on here shows how bad it really is. Even the people in our military are not safe. They never really were and there are groups formed all over to help those that want to be helped.

The Oaths Keeppers.............Freedom movement........9/11 truthers etc.

As you keep saying.............We the People...........need to follow their stories and make our choices.

Yes, they want to stop so many things and unless we agree that this is not about race, religion or which politician you are for, we will not win. Its about us, we the people, that need to start paying attention to what is being said and take a stand.

We have to bombard the white house with our petitions and calls. Someone just might listen to us.

Obama is right now screaming they need to pass his health bill before they recess in August. Think that may happened? Of course it will..............if we let it..................so call or write today if you havent already done so.

No more holding back

[orthodoxymoron]

A S.U.N. Resolution passed by a billion beings throughout the solar system would carry quite a bit of clout...I would think. I would like to visit Mars...but not as a slave or as an appetizer. I would consider working there for a while...if the price was right...and if my safety was absolutely guaranteed. I hear there's lots of work on Europa...or beneath Europa...I should say.

[mntruthseeker]

yes and that is what the Oath Keepers, freedom movement and others are talking about.


I really feel we need to follow these movements and stand up for our rights.

We need to clean out the white house, especially Kreeeeel..........(hope I spelled that right) I just asked for protection as I mentioned his name.


How wonderful it will be to get our world in the place it was meant to be in.

We can do it.......


A S.U.N. Revolution sounds very nice, I like it

[orthodoxymoron]

That sounds like Omnipotent Highness KRLLL....from the 50's. Were reports of KRLLL's death greatly exaggerated? Did KRLLL reincarnate into a human or hybrid body? Hmmmm. In any case...if the United Nations, the Vatican, the City of London, and Washington D.C. were purified and reformed...with absolutely no malevolent alien or malevolent human control...we would be 95% of the way to Nirvana. But don't hold your breath.

[orthodoxymoron]

Is there merit to the idea of placing the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights at the center of a rewritten U.N. Charter...with all of the countries of Earth...and all of the planets and moons of the Solar System...treated as States? Various Alien Nations could participate...but they could not dictate. A President would simply be a spokesperson or PR person for the decisions of the General Assembly. Most of the communications and deliberations would be electronic...with actual meetings at U.N. Headquarters being mostly symbolic and ceremonial. Could this arrangement be considered to be the preferred alternative to a theocracy (a Universal Church)? Would this arrangement constitute a desirable non-theocratic union of politics and religion? Isn't religion really politics...and politics really religion? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom would be the absolute standard and modus operandi of a New Universal Order.

Have I completely lost my mind...or is this an ultra-simple solution to the problems which plague this solar system (and possibly the universe)? I am basing all of this on an unproven assumption that there is life throughout the Solar System...including, but not limited to, Human, Grey, and Reptilian life...and that the Grey and Reptilian life is not simply a non-physical demonic phenomenon. Obviously...there would have to be safeguards which would prevent a dictatorial take-over. All groups would need to be protected from themselves (competing internal factions) and the other groups. Mutually beneficial interplanetary and interracial interaction would be the goal.

The concept is simple...but undoubtedly the details and implementation would be very, very complex. I'm guessing that powerful forces outside of this Solar System would have to agree to allow this to occur. I'm also sensing that some of the agreement...if it was granted...would be very grudging...with the view that it would never work...and that they would ultimately theocratically rule Earth eventually anyway. Who knows...this could be a new development in a very dictatorial, rigid, and violent universe. It could be Morning in the Universe. YouTube - 2001 A Space Odyssey Opening

[orthodoxymoron]

Replace the U.N. Charter with the U.S. Constitution...OR...Get the U.S. out of the U.N...AND...Get the U.N. out of the U.S.

Give me liberty...or give me death. Better dead than rep. No offense intended toward the reptilians. That was just a play on words from a cold war slogan. My intention is to not be dictatorially ruled by anyone...reptilian, human, grey...or otherwise.

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Does a rival United Nations need to be established? What if we started a 'Shadow United Nations'(S.U.N.)? Could this be an 'Electronic United Nations'? Do we need buildings? Could we establish the S.U.N. in cyberspace...at the center of the solar system? Isn't Avalon sort of an electronic U.N.? Avalon is a moon...right? Hell...the Dudes on Pluto could even participate. Membership in the S.U.N. might be granted after taking and passing an online class in international and intergalactic affairs...and paying a reasonable yearly fee to fund operations. Membership would be unlimited. Every being...human and otherwise...in the entire solar system...could be a member. Who knows what that could lead to? Peace and Happiness? Lucifer...even you could be a member...but you couldn't be the S.U.N. GOD. Can someone say 'AMEN RA'?

AMEN RA! I like it!

The U.N. book is t-o-o-o-o long anyway. (It looks boring.) If you write a constitution, could you keep it short? I already have phrases running in my mind - the breath of the universe... in the mysteries of life...

Let this toroid rip, Ortho!

[orthodoxymoron]

'Martian Reptilian Representative Lord Draco...Your Time Has Expired.'

'Omnipotent Highness KRLLL...You Have Five Minutes.'

'Lucifer...the Power of Christ Compels You to Sit Down and Shut Up!' 'Security!!!' 'Moziah!!!'

We'd have to do something about those titles!

I'm leaning toward taking the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...as is...and simply adding the various countries, planets, and moons...as additional states. This is where things would get tricky and sticky. I think the principles and concepts are sound...but the implementation would be very difficult...especially regarding the determination of how many senators and congressbeings each region would receive. How would one properly balance something like this...so that the Pluto Dudes wouldn't get left out in the cold?!

What would we do about the illegal grey and reptilian alien immigration problem in the western United States?

It would be fun to do something like this on a trial basis...with no authority whatsoever. You know...just set it up...and go through the motions...for at least a couple of decades...to work out the bugs (and the insectoids). This whole thing is just a brainstorm. But if this wouldn't work...how should a solar system be properly run? Any ideas? A Theocracy...with Lord Draco, Omnipotent Highness KRLLL, and the Holy Father...as a Cosmic Trilateral Commission...a Council on Alien Relations...a Holy Trinity with Absolute Power in a Universal Church? Don't we have that right now? Next idea? Is there anyone else out there? What about you...Lucifer? You feel left out? I thought that you were either Lord Draco or Omnipotent Highness KRLLL? Was I mistaken?

Again...none of this implies nationalism, protectionism, or U.S. uber(A.)lles. A system of orderly decentralized decision making...with a significant history and track record...is the focus.

[orthodoxymoron]

Does anyone want to be a founding member of a shadow United Nations...based on the U.S. Constitution...and applied to the entire Solar System...conducted completely in cyberspace?

[orthodoxymoron]

OK...I'm probably going to spend more time on this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...349#post159349 I slightly streamlined and modified the U.S. Constitution...and I am calling it good...so I don't intend to mess with the U.N. Charter at this point. The idea is to have something called 'The United States of the Solar System' which could be based at the United Nations Headquarters...but don't hold your breath! See you on the other thread!

[orthodoxymoron]

What do you think about the U.N. Charter? Muammar Gaddafi doesn't like it!

[lucrum]

He sure did anger people with that speech though.

Media around here seems to have left out the part where he accuse the U.N for taking action without consulting the members, as I assume is mentioned in the charter.
Focus was made on his hail to the Lockerbie bomber and his conspiracy theories, though unmentioned as of what nature they was.

Comments on the article I read show that they got the effect they wanted, full on discussion once again how aweful islam is and claims that terrorism only comes from muslim countries.

Fanatism knows no boundries, I believe we do not need to tag countries, religion or kinds of people as a defenition of terror. It's the individual behind, always...

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for your response lucrum. A news event will be spun by the spinners any which way they choose. Of course I know about Gaddafi's past and his reputation...but I liked a lot of what he had to say.

How do you think Muammar would respond to a proposal to replace the U.N. Charter with the U.S. Constitution? Would he consider this to be American Imperialism? Would making this change be in the best interests of most of the people of the world? Would this involve a loss of power to the current Powers That Be?

Does anyone have an idea of what an ideal U.N. Charter would look like? I'm trying to be pragmatic here...by suggesting something which has been in use for centuries...and which, if followed, actually works quite well.

[orthodoxymoron]

What do you think about the 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights' penned by Eleanor Roosevelt...and adopted by the United Nations in 1948? http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/ Should it supercede the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights? Should it be included in the United States of the Solar System? I agree with a lot of it...but it seems to go too far...and is somewhat socialistic in nature. I have the same goals, pretty much...but I envision a different route to achieving these goals. This document should not supercede the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...and should not be included in the United States of the Solar System. I'm willing to keep thinking about this...and change my mind if a brutal gang of facts mugs me on some dark philosophical or political alley! Here is a condensed version I made for easy reading:

THE UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS

Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world,

Whereas disregard and contempt for human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of mankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people,

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

Whereas it is essential to promote the development of friendly relations between nations,

Whereas the peoples of the United Nations have in the Charter reaffirmed their faith in fundamental human rights, in the dignity and worth of the human person and in the equal rights of men and women and have determined to promote social progress and better standards of life in larger freedom,

Whereas Member States have pledged themselves to achieve, in co-operation with the United Nations, the promotion of universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms,

Whereas a common understanding of these rights and freedoms is of the greatest importance for the full realization of this pledge,

Now, Therefore THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY proclaims THIS UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS as a common standard of achievement for all peoples and all nations, to the end that every individual and every organ of society, keeping this Declaration constantly in mind, shall strive by teaching and education to promote respect for these rights and freedoms and by progressive measures, national and international, to secure their universal and effective recognition and observance, both among the peoples of Member States themselves and among the peoples of territories under their jurisdiction.

Article 1. All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

Article 2. Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

Article 3. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

Article 4. No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

Article 5. No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

Article 6. Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

Article 7. All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law. All are entitled to equal protection against any discrimination in violation of this Declaration and against any incitement to such discrimination.

Article 8. Everyone has the right to an effective remedy by the competent national tribunals for acts violating the fundamental rights granted him by the constitution or by law.

Article 9. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.

Article 10. Everyone is entitled in full equality to a fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal, in the determination of his rights and obligations and of any criminal charge against him.

Article 11. (1) Everyone charged with a penal offence has the right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty according to law in a public trial at which he has had all the guarantees necessary for his defence. (2) No one shall be held guilty of any penal offence on account of any act or omission which did not constitute a penal offence, under national or international law, at the time when it was committed. Nor shall a heavier penalty be imposed than the one that was applicable at the time the penal offence was committed.

Article 12. No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks.

Article 13. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each state. (2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.

Article 14. (1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution. (2) This right may not be invoked in the case of prosecutions genuinely arising from non-political crimes or from acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 15. (1) Everyone has the right to a nationality. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.

Article 16. (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
(2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses. (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.

Article 17. (1) Everyone has the right to own property alone as well as in association with others. (2) No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property.

Article 18. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

Article 19. Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

Article 20. (1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and association. (2) No one may be compelled to belong to an association.

Article 21. (1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives. (2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country. (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.

Article 22. Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 23. (1) Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, to just and favourable conditions of work and to protection against unemployment. (2) Everyone, without any discrimination, has the right to equal pay for equal work. (3) Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social protection. (4) Everyone has the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.

Article 24. Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

Article 25. (1) Everyone has the right to a standard of living adequate for the health and well-being of himself and of his family, including food, clothing, housing and medical care and necessary social services, and the right to security in the event of unemployment, sickness, disability, widowhood, old age or other lack of livelihood in circumstances beyond his control.
(2) Motherhood and childhood are entitled to special care and assistance. All children, whether born in or out of wedlock, shall enjoy the same social protection.

Article 26. (1) Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit. (2) Education shall be directed to the full development of the human personality and to the strengthening of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms. It shall promote understanding, tolerance and friendship among all nations, racial or religious groups, and shall further the activities of the United Nations for the maintenance of peace. (3) Parents have a prior right to choose the kind of education that shall be given to their children.

Article 27. (1) Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits. (2) Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.

Article 28. Everyone is entitled to a social and international order in which the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration can be fully realized.

Article 29. (1) Everyone has duties to the community in which alone the free and full development of his personality is possible. (2) In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society. (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.

Article 30. Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom