I am calling out Dan Burisch

[14 Chakras]

Unified Serenity, thanks for some of the info there, I'm not totally on the up and up about the laws around vaccines and such..

My personal feeling about the DB thing is that he is not part of this forum or community, vaccines has never been an issue for him, as Tone says, before Tone bothered to research them recently he thought they were fine.

I think DB was in the category of those who thought they were fine. He was blindsided by this question about vaccines at the conference, had really no ideas of the negative effects, and basically said he thought they were fine. Then he said he would do some research to confirm.

Now the fact is DB has an ego thing going on. He publicly states they are fine. So when he goes and does research, do you think he is going to seek out information that validates or dis-validates his public statement? It's exactly the same as when you take this info to a scientist or a doctor, they are going to look for info that makes vaccines appear safe to validate their own ego and opinion. It's EASY to find stuff that does validate vaccines and that's what DB finds and states.

Now in large part because he did that, everything he's said is getting written off, even though none of his work had anything to do with vaccines and he probably shouldn't have even been asked about them because he is not some kind of guru who knows stuff out of his line of experience. He doesn't.

I don't have answers for the student loan stuff but 15K loan for a PHD is like one or two semesters, not a whole education. Obviously he wasn't full time with Magi and if he says he was full time, that's a hole in his story that he'll need to explain.

Personally, I think DB probably spruced up his resume even to himself to appear better to himself and others. It doesn't mean Maji stuff never occured. That's my opinion.

One last thing about vaccines. Polio used to be a big problem before polio vaccines and there are other types of diseases from what I understand that have been stopped in their tracks from vaccines. I don't think vaccines are necessary or safe in our world, however, I do think they have served a legitimate purpose at times historically speaking.

The way it works however, is that diseases exist in the first place due to karmic misuse of energy by the people. They are wake up calls for people to change their way of being. When you fix things from a material perspective, the karma that created the disease, now needs to express itself in another way. That's the door the PTB have to put some mercury into these things and whatever else to get people with the backdoor. Whenever you solve something with a strictly material solution rather than solving the consciousness problem that is creating the karma that expresses itself as the problem in the first place, then you are always going to have a backside to the solution that is going to cause another problem in another way. That's cosmic law.

Basically, you can't solve a problem from the same level of consciousness that created the problem in the first place.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by franciejones

And furthermore...have any of you noticed HOW MANY of the original moderators are gone? Have you asked yourselves why at any point? I hope atleast one person here understands what it is I am saying. There are many more sites available to hear whistleblowers and researchers. This one has gotten very strange to say the least.

Such is the nature of change.

Each step, one in front of the other, sees us arive in a new world. It is a journey that can only happen in one direction.

In my opinion it is entirely wrong to even try to hold on to the things of the past.

Myself I stopped moderating a while back, it can be immensely taxing. I was going through some personal changes at the time and the forum was increasingly hard to moderate - (this was before the subscription started).

I came back when I was asked to help out with moderating in the AUS timezone and also to provide admin services. I got more than I bargained for, since we started getting all the database problems, and shortly after that the host decided to shut us down without notice!

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

A..

[Unified Serenity]

14 Chakra, I respect what you have said, and yes it is true that it takes great objectivity to research areas that are not in agreement with one's given understanding, but when someone says they are going to do just that and comes back in this issue of vaccines as ok, then they are very much one to be careful of trusting.

I see this current H1N1 vaccine as very dangerous. If DB is a tool of tptb, then it makes sense for him to continue this charade of trust me. Then again, if we do not comply and tptb turn it into a violent situation to not take the vaccines that also plays into their hand. This really is a bad situation, and they have played a wonderful chess game and are boxing the people into a corner which is often the best move for check mate.

All in all, I am where I am supposed to be at this moment. My future decisions will come from a place of peace, and I will NOT take the vaccine or allow my children to be vaccinated. Should they or I be forced to, I will have counter measures ready to get them out of my system. And energetically speaking, all can be negated with the right frequency.

blessed be,

Unified Serenity

[14 Chakras]

Yes well this whole DB saying "Trust me" is the problem.

DB has an ego, it's his ego that thinks you should follow him. DB has some interesting whistleblower experiences. He's not a guru. Those who chose to follow him do so to their own peril. My discernment tells me he's not a disinfo agent, he's not trying to harm anyone, he's just not working enough on overcoming his ego illusions. The universe will reflect back to him the consequences of this, which we can see here in this thread, and eventually he will see through his own stuff.

DB has a lot of work to do on himself as do all of us here. The key is not to expect someone outside of us to have the answers for life. If we do start to follow someone that is telling us the answers, one day we will see that they are a fragile human being with an ego like the rest of us, and at that point we can either take responsibility for our own mistake of choosing to put people on pedastles and follow them blindly, or we can mistakenly attack them and believe it's all 'their' fault and play the victim.

Any true teacher will force you to connect to the answers from within rather than getting you to follow them blindly. DB is not a true teacher, but he's not some kind of evil deceiver either. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater means, when we realize someone doesn't have all the answers they claim, it doesn't mean that they have no value. Keep what rings true, discard the rest, and keep up the good search.

DB is a lesson for everyone on more than one level.

[Unified Serenity]

For the most part, I agree with you 14 Chakras.

Thanks for a decent discussion.

[14 Chakras]

I personally learn a lot from these discussions. I think this community is full of learning experiences for us all. Time well spent, even when the going gets rough, sometimes that provides the best opportunities for growth.

[tone3jaguar]

This stuff about ignoring who is good and bad being a path to salvation is made up bull s--t.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

One last thing about vaccines. Polio used to be a big problem before polio vaccines and there are other types of diseases from what I understand that have been stopped in their tracks from vaccines. I don't think vaccines are necessary or safe in our world, however, I do think they have served a legitimate purpose at times historically speaking.

This is a big lie we have been force fed.
Virus pandemics self limit and then extinguish.
Polio was in a huge decline before the vaccine.
And there's a lot more to that story ...

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/polio_chart.htm

[Karen]

We have been lied to about the savior effect of vaccines.

Pertussus (whooping cough)
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/pertussis.htm
Again notice the decline of 80% before the vaccine was introduced.

Measles
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/measles_chart.htm

[Unified Serenity]

Karen, this is exactly why I have zero trust in the AMA and Pharm companies. Vaccines do not save us, but they do compromise our immune systems and nervous systems. Look at the skyrocketing diseases that have appeared in the past 45 years.

Look at the cost in lost human potential and the ability to think for ourselves. It's all about money and power, and anyone who plays along with them is carrying a heavy load for what they have done. Is DB evil? I don't think so, but I do think he is wrong on vaccines.

[Tango]

I've got to start out by saying " I'm not posting to Judge "
But, something isn't right..........!!! I've sent DB's video's
to some other retired mil. officers in Tucson, AZ.
[tower operators, ATC, logistics] he doesn't use mil. jargon.

You tell me... Watch the movie " Annapolis." Try to
picture DB in the place of a character... As a Midshipman.
I've heard, he was a U.S. Navy Captain, Daniel Crane, he
would have had to attend Annapolis; for officers training.
We all do. He doesn't speak the way officers talk.

If you've ever heard Wendell Stevens, from Tucson, AZ
is a retired officer. I spoke with Bob Dean, in his home
way back when he had the Stargate website... He was
an enlistedmen, CSgt.M, Army (ret.), both of these men
delivery is the same. Clear; consistent as most used to
giving reports. I don't hear that kind of delivery from DB.
DB also doesn't use mil. jargon [lingo]... Strange Huh...

I remember something abt a "BJ Wolf" out of Vegas. But, it
sounded like B.S. to me...

We, were up thru Vegas twice a month at least until 02,
there was a deal with the LUXOR; $ 14.00 per nite, if we
showed our ID's and stayed armed while in the hotel. We
did Nellis and the ranch... So, we were stuck in Vegas area
for two nites and I wasn't stay'n at the B.O.Q. on Nellis.
I've always hated Vegas.

Understand this... mil. officers retirement is abt $ 1875.00 a
month Before the last COLA, and DB has security. Bullsfit !
And, why would he live in Vegas ? Why, wouldn't he move
over W. of the MTN. [where Art Bell lived...] or down
by the Hoover damn, I know several officers that live down
there...? Why Vegas ? Why an apartment...? Something
doesn't add up here... I've been in the game too long to
miss anything.

Now, he is going to a pharmaceutical manufacturer... Sorry,
everything is shipped into Vegas. No manufacturers there...
I would know... Most everything in Vegas comes from
Phoenix, AZ...

He doesn't talk military....... I've listened... Go back and
listen to Bob Dean... That's the way most officers deliver.
That's the way, I deliver a report... Just the facts, NO
DRAMA... DB, always uses some kind of drama. Not becoming;
a Naval Officer...

I do remember someone showing me a video of DB as
a TV " science guy." Way back... I don't remember who
showed me... Out of NY, I think...

Now, remember as I said, " I'm NOT judging here with this
post..." But, it is against the LAW to impersonate a mil.
officer. They are making arrests for such offenses; crimes.
Has anyone seen his mil. ID. Does he have a Brown passport
like we have...?

Someone, needs to ask Bob Dean what he thinks... When I
talked to Bob Dean in his home, that's the first thing I did
was showed him My mil. ID. Hopefully, he doesn't remember
me by my handle... But, he Would recon me if he saw me,
right off. Oh, and, I completely trust Robert Dean...

Trooly,

Tango

Originally Posted by JesterTerrestrial

Do you think the looking glass saw this post coming?

[Hiram]

I have spent many years watching Dan Burisch, long before PC came to be. I take his info like a salad bar....take what I want and leave the rest.

What is undeniable about him and his site after all these years, is his curious.......NO DOWNRIGHT STRANGE....preoccupation with setting up controls about who gets to hear what...and repeatedly calling out the public on his forum to let them know that certain people will get to see certain information and to "ALL OTHERS...the information is ACCESS DENIED!"

I'm sorry, but this reeks of some very serious control issues. Its also...and this is just a fact...very self-righteous.

Why would an individual continually have to "DENY" people access? It is very strange. The word is all over his golden thread. I just think its somewhat strange and I would like to hear an accounting of this by DB and MB.

Their overall sentiment is NOT friendly. I can't figure out why.

I think these are fair and reasonable concerns.

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

This stuff about ignoring who is good and bad being a path to salvation is made up bull s--t.

What exactly are you talking about?

Please explain your hit and run!

[tone3jaguar]

See my New Age Disinformation thread

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

See my New Age Disinformation thread

Well hey that is a pretty good thread T3J!

I am a fragment of the Whole and my fragment contains all the properties of the Whole; both current and infinite potential in any path that could unfold based on my individual expression of all inclusive Divine Intelligence.

I do not follow anyone or anything... I create my own path and leave a trail behind!

Adventure-Curiosity-Observation-Exploration-Discovery.

A CO-ED.

[THE eXchanger]

i think, the reason bill & kerrie,
don't reveal anything on DB aka DC

is because, in order to interview him,
that had to sign agreements
WHICH PREVENT them,
from "full" disclosure !!!

i think, he's likely a good researcher,
but, i definitely do NOT believe,
he was ever a part of MJ12,
personally, i predict, he's going to get arrested/and, charged
for impersonating, a member of the usa miltary,
that's what i think

[Avid]

What a fiasco - all hell has broken out at Dans website http://www.eaglesdisobey.net/ and it's associated golden thread. Dissing BR and KC - getting far too personal, and also lashing out at other whistleblowers.
How unprofessional

[burgundia]

I guess some people are losing it.....

[tone3jaguar]

Either that or someone over his head decided on a strategic change.

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

Either that or someone over his head decided on a strategic change.

the "truth" is "out there"

trouble is: DB/DC - likely had people sign paperwork
prior to him granting interviews

allows him to talk and talk and, talk

and, them, NOT say a word

(there is a way to silence people)

perhaps that is why KC/AND BR are quiet/or silent about things ?

if DB/DC lived in a world,
and/part of the world, where he couldn't go bankrupt,
they take that amount of money out of your hide,
one way/or other

i belive DB/DC is going to end up behind some bars
for impersonating miltary personnel.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

Yes I do as it was just proven that doctors get paid bonuses in the UK if they get 75% of children vaccinated and a bigger bonus if it is above 90%. Guess what? They have upped the vaccination rate! So, yes they will work harder to get the lil tykes vaccinated for money.

Yes it was my post here...

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15690

I was a Zurich and my intuition was flashing in my head "BS" throughout the whole 2 hour DB discussion on Friday especially when she started talking about CO2 and global warming. And then to steer the whole discussion in the group talk about vacines I feel I wasted ~4 hours of my life. I cost me considerable time and money to get t Zurich from the UK and that part was a complete waste of my time.

I did however meet some wonderful people when I was there and recently at the Amsterdam 1 day conference but other than the meeting and discussing these things with like minds I didn't get a whole lot from the conference. The David Willcox lecture was great but even his comments about weather control and chemtrails didn't ring true either (for me)... SO I suppose with all of this you need to make sure your own truth meter is working...

[Hiram]

DB insistence on control of information is unsettling. When teamed up together DB and MB behave in a strange way, so it does not surprise me that people BullS*#t detectors were going off.

My opinion is that he has had some genuine experience, but that fascinatingly enough, he and MB continue to manufacture their new interactions for notoriety.

I know this is a bold claim, and I used to really entertain all that he said. I just find it so unlikely that this person seems to be personally involved in almost any UFO related topic you can bring up...and all the Gordon Novel stuff....what is the point of that? What are you trying to prove?

It takes a lot for me to say things like this because I strongly believe in giving everyone a fair chance to tell their story.

I encourage everyone here to use their best discernment when listening to these witnesses.

Perhaps I am feeling him out incorrectly?

[Unified Serenity]

Originally Posted by Connecting with Sauce

Yes it was my post here...

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15690

I cost me considerable time and money to get t Zurich from the UK and that part was a complete waste of my time.

I did however meet some wonderful people when I was there and recently at the Amsterdam 1 day conference but other than the meeting and discussing these things with like minds I didn't get a whole lot from the conference. The David Willcox lecture was great but even his comments about weather control and chemtrails didn't ring true either (for me)... SO I suppose with all of this you need to make sure your own truth meter is working...

I guess I am kind of glad I don't have the money to waste on a trip like that. I would love to go to LA to one of Kerry's events, but then again it costs some to travel from FL to LA. I would value the opportunity to meet others face to face and share information as I do believe that some people will share more that way than online where there is a permanent record so to speak. Yes, I agree in hearing people out, but keep one's radar operating at top speed as there are quite a few who like to dress things up beyond their real experiences.

I'd love to have a conference in the South East US for those of us willing to attend and give of our time, but not wishing to spend thousands to do so. Then again, that's sort of what ground crews are for, and it would be great to have one near me. So far not much luck on the requests I have made for local or regional contacts. Hmmm, maybe it's me, lol. C'est la vie!

[tone3jaguar]

I could not resist, I know this is beating the dead horse with a slege hammer. I just visited the Eagles Disobey wanna-be web site and found that Dan Burish is backing up his rediculousness with a topping of ludicrous.

There is so much B.S. up there on his web site that I do not even know where to start. Oh I know I will start with how he has decided to bash his “friend” David Wilcock. I made the call back when Burisch came out with his researched conclusions that injecting Merucury, Ether, Aluminum and what ever else is in a vaccination that his trip to never never land was going to come back to haunt David Wilcock. To be clear I like David, and that is why this is so ludicrous. I think Dan is off of his meds.

From the Eagles Disobey Web Page

DW has an interesting way to view it......most people observed Dan diffuse the problem in Zurich hat had been set up as a staged event*- a problem primed and ready to go the moment that the vaccine question was brought up.* This is the same guy that tells people how to achieve ascention, and ladles out the pablum on stage, while privately calling women "ho's with crack babies.... (his quote from email "we still need to settle our account for the conference fee as well, and I really don’t want to send bank account info by electronic means other than a fax machine, as I wrote Rxxx... so let’s expedite that process as I’ve got to feed my eight crack babies from these eight different ho’s........."**
*This was right on the heels of the Barcelona conference ending and certainly sounds like he's been waiting a while waiting for pay. The Barcelona conference was NOT a Proj. "C" conference, but the Zurich conferencewas, and that has been established in their own advertisements, prior to an apparent attempt by them to 'cover up' such a relationship.*
He was paid, but not the Eagles. Oh, yea..... that's right, the Eagles feed the homeless. That took care of that.*
........ and then defines himself as a "chicken****".

Then there are the delusions about Bill Ryan

*

But what really happened in Zurich?**
And what happened after the incident?

What prompted the conference organizer to later write Dan*saying: "If you do not trust me for any reason, then all is lost."*
What is lost? Their sacrificial lamb?** Well, we've got news for them, the Eagles are not going to be served up on the 'half-shell' for them, or for anybody else.*

Imagine (given the clever maneuvering of the vaccine question into the panel discussion, and the publicity generating firestorm it created) ....* imagine what the Eagles would have been walking into if they were*still*willing to go to the L.A. conference?**

No....*The answer is*Absolutely No.**What do they think - that*the Eagles went through all those*years of education and managed to survive the hard crucible of experience with*Majestic, without being able to recognize a*bungled*attempt to manipulate public opinion*at their expense?* Publicity at any price,*is that it?* The Eagles have sharp eyes - they get it - theconference organizers*don't care if they endanger their guest-speakers, as long as they get a few more dollars at the gate?**Right?

No, Wrong.***

Then there is the conspiracy he has invented about where Camelot gets its funding

WHO'S YOUR DADDY?* Everybody is asking the question:* Where does* Proj "C" get the money to jet all over the world.*Donations? (sure...... or is it something else?) To read the expose,

Then you click on the link and you get this

Exposee on Zurich Part 2

Who's Your Daddy????*


WE KNOW.*
http://www.projectcamelot.org/*
"9 August 2009 •**

"*"COINTELPRO"*is the FBI acronym for a series of covert action programs directed against domestic groups. In these programs, the Bureau went beyond the collection of intelligence to secret action defined to "disrupt" and "neutralize" target groups and individuals. The techniques were adopted wholesale from wartime counterintelligence." -- the 1975 Church Committee
*Stan:** We are as you are more than likely well aware now in the throes of quasi covert U.S. Government funding of our gravity/TIME Control program and with the lead of some ten experimental power/propulsion design concepts being developed concurrently around our patent pending circular universal ARV plan form also being used IMHO to propel Majic's black reputed "Solar Warden" deep space triangles. We are also now into a preliminary cut and bend on this consortium developed program based on reverse engineering of the ARV plan form. We strictly do not intimidate as you are already well aware.*

We could have long ago taken an offensive posture against identified but innocent MJ targets of opportunity but that would have made a future diplomatic rapprochement with Majic impossible once the serious and dangerous to all tit for tat back and forth commenced.*

Grin and bear it was the decided policy which RP will tell you was my personal policy decision as I was obviously the primary target of Majic's disruptive*COINTELPRO*and PsyOps focused activities.*

Much of my intercepted aggressive vocal and e-mail posturing was only intended to deter such unnecessary dumb aggressions...*
Gordon Nxxxxxxxxx"

UNSTABLE OR HIDING SOMETHING?*

IS IT MORE LIKELY SOME DEEP DARK COINTELPRO*ON OUR SIDE, OR THAT SOMEONE'S FINGERS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE COOKIE JAR?????????*

HERE IS WHAT WAS SENT TO EAGLES DISOBEY AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE:

He also now has a page where he “exposes” what really happened at Baxter Parmeceuticals where he justifies the avian flu contamination as human error.

"Okay...there has been some speculation about Baxter, and much of the truth about the real connection with Zurich is now posted in the Hideaway, by Stan. The great Zurich uprising about Baxter is nonexistent. It is true they made some errors, errors which I deplore, and the truth is...

Most of the truth of the matter can be found in WIKIPEDIA!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baxter_International
http://www.answers.com/topic/baxter-international-inc

First of all, I am neither an apologist for Baxter, nor do I condone all their actions. I never said I did, but a few were busy being loud. Baxter is a greedy company with a serious record of quality control problems, and some poor management decisions. Those issues of greed are not something with which I am willing to really deal, as in parsing money deals for the public, save that no decision should compromise the public's health. When I say the public's health, I wonder if people know what I mean? I mean, where ever possible individually, but certainly never over the population. With all products, some adverse reactions occur, but the medical science we now have is the best we have! They, and even we, are trying to make it better.

[Tango]

This is for all of 'us' on the thread... we, could all say these words to DC...

L00KS like its goin into in this thread... So, I think its a fitting...



Just, imagine 'You' saying these words with ME standing right there next to you.

Trooly,


Tango