Proof that I am not an Agent, Troll or Energy Vampire

[TruthWalker]

Here's the deal. My personal views are not accepted in many places and this forum is no different. I'm used to that. It's not a problem. I am cool with that, because I have no wish to force anyone to adopt my views, just because I stated them. You will not find a single instance of that happening on the forums -- anywhere.

A lot of people are starting to make claims such that I am paid, I'm a reptilian, I'm an energy vampire, I'm a troll, I'm an agent, etc..

All wrong. I am one guy with life experience that wants to communicate with other people. The reason I am making the posts I am is to highlight (under a splotlight) why I can't just come here and post freely. I have a LOT to get through, and I can't get through it on a forum that goes from serious to 7+ pages of jokes and mockery in a split second.

If I "WANTED" to come here and literally cause trouble, believe me -- I could do a much better job of it. I would have four computers running and I'd be sitting there tying to myself. I'd be hammering the threads with scripts. I would pose as someone who was the epitome of a jerk, just to prove a point. I would be PM'ing people, placing links to threads in all the signatures, and I'd have another 12 accounts all lined up ready to go. I'd have half a dozen other people helping out. I'd be unfair. I'd distract other people's posts. I wouldn't be sincere or genuine. I'd have multiple personality syndrome on a mass scale. I'd purposefully take things the wrong way just to cause trouble. I'd purposefully cause people to dislike me and if I got banned, I'd come back laughing and mocking. I haven't done any of the above.

It's not hard to see that I am being fair and genuine. Anyone who thinks I am anything listed in the title really needs to get a life and take a good look at the problems on this forum. I am playing fair. I am being genuine. The forum can be a much more constructive and useful place. That's what I am after. Plain and simple. Believe it or not.

I wont stop until I get it (or at LEAST something close to it). Call me all the names you like. Insult me. Accuse me. Label me. Say that I am insulting and that I want to force everyone to accept my views or my agenda. It's all ridiculous. None of it is true. None of it is even on the right track. It's all been said a thousand times. But until this forum achieves a spirit of seriousness and sincerity I'm going to keep pointing out why I cannot say what I want to say.

THIS FORUM NEEDS ME!

..and more people like me.

[beren]

Look at this at this way; who wished to hear you, will hear you. Other who don´t ,they just don´t.
Ignore them.

If someone here labels or insults you,IGNORE them. Ones who are insulting and else will be quickly spent since being ignored. If however that person trolls you constantly , ask mod´s help.
Finito.

I am sure ,here you can find some very decent people, talk to them.

All the best,,

Beren

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by beren

Look at this at this way; who wished to hear you, will hear you. Other who don´t ,they just don´t.
Ignore them.

If someone here labels or insults you,IGNORE them. Ones who are insulting and else will be quickly spent since being ignored. If however that person trolls you constantly , ask mod´s help.
Finito.

I am sure ,here you can find some very decent people, talk to them.

All the best,,

Beren

Name calling and insults don't affect me. They really don't. That's not the problem. The problem is that when people start behaving that way, it puts a wall up to prevent threads from continuing down a constructive path.

I already know that a lot of people in the world aren't very nice. I'd be silly to think I can come to a forum and change everyone. That is not my point at all. My point is that there should be higher expectations of forum members here so that the serious people also have a stage to speak -- and not just all the class clowns.

People will behave once their "expected" to. There is no expectation of that on this forum. The general rule is: Just post as you please.

[Anchor]

@OP

So you are saying that you want an uninterrupted fair-go at telling your story? But you wont do that unless you can post freely and uninterrupted by the mob.

You realise of course that you have unfortunately set in motion something which has inertia of a kind. You have also been credited with having something to do with the other guy that got banned (WS) - even if that isnt true, it stuck (law of attraction in action!) based on the vibrational similarities evident in the energy of your posts and posting techniques (responding to every post, keeping the thread bumped etc).

You (or WS) threw a stone in the pond. It had energy. People here didn't like it. Some of them, regrettably bear grudges and they want your blood for it.

People would need to forgive you, but you won't accept that because you dont think you have done anything to be forgiven for. Will you forgive them?

How am I doing?

To me it doesnt look possible, but then the universe is a big place and I certainly don't know all the answers.

What I don't understand is why you cant just post what you want to say and then ignore the noise. Why do you need the control?

Freedom is not controllable. It is like water - it can flow, but it is hard to contain a lot of it and water has a knack of creeping through cracks and being inconvenient.

Most people on this forum detest attempts at control. I should know - look at the scars on my back I got for when I have used the moderating stick.

I am really lost as to how we can work forwards.

A..

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by Anchor

@OP

So you are saying that you want an uninterrupted fair-go at telling your story? But you wont do that unless you can post freely and uninterrupted by the mob.

You realise of course that you have unfortunately set in motion something which has inertia of a kind. You have also been credited with having something to do with the other guy that got banned (WS) - even if that isnt true, it stuck (law of attraction in action!) based on the vibrational similarities evident in the energy of your posts and posting techniques (responding to every post, keeping the thread bumped etc).

You (or WS) threw a stone in the pond. It had energy. People here didn't like it. Some of them, regrettably bear grudges and they want your blood for it.

People would need to forgive you, but you won't accept that because you dont think you have done anything to be forgiven for. Will you forgive them?

How am I doing?

To me it doesnt look possible, but then the universe is a big place and I certainly don't know all the answers.

What I don't understand is why you cant just post what you want to say and then ignore the noise. Why do you need the control?

Freedom is not controllable. It is like water - it can flow, but it is hard to contain a lot of it and water has a knack of creeping through cracks and being inconvenient.

Most people on this forum detest attempts at control. I should know - look at the scars on my back I got for when I have used the moderating stick.

I am really lost as to how we can work forwards.

A..

I am not suggesting that the moderators become a bunch of dictators.

There can be absolutely no backlash whatsoever, for if moderators start insisting that posts which have been especially been designed to turn a serious thread into a joke fest.

I do not condone giving infractions or banning people or anything like that. I am not saying that moderators should dress as the gestapo and start lining people up. I think its petty to come to a forum and see that you've got an infraction. It just annoys people.

I am simply trying to point out that I have a LOT to say and that I cannot even begin as long as people are allowed to pop into a thread and start posting what ever they feel like saying (from the top of their head), just because they feel like having a laugh. without ANY regard for the topic. Even more so, people should not be allowed to "directly" make jokes about the poster, antagonizing them and finishing ever smart alec response with:

It's absolutely ridiculous and the mods SHOULD stop that kind of thing. The people responsible are doing it "ON PURPOSE".

I also notice that many members are literally being nasty. Using terms like pathetic, moron, stupid, etc (this is just "today" in the last hour). I NEVER respond to people with such posts, yet when I see it come from other people -- there's nothing. Not a mod in sight. No one cares.

The forum need to set a new tone of seriousness. Again, members can not possibly complain to mods or accuse mods of censorship if people are clearly distracting a thread. It's not "one or two posts" it's EVERY thread. They do it because they KNOW they can get away with it. It's not innocent either. They "know" they're doing it. They're not "really" upset. They're having a laugh.

This problem CAN be fixed. It will not require copious amounts of moderation. Yes, some people will test the moderators, but at this moment in time, people are free to say what ever they like, no matter how off topic it is, and no matter how insulting they are to the OP, and the response form the moderators is: "It's ok to have a laugh sometimes". Yeah ok, maybe, but not for SEVEN pages (just for the sake of it) - come on!

This problem CAN be fixed.

It can be fixed EASILY.

An assertion needs to be made:

Be sincere, keep serious topics serious, stay on topic.

NO harm (or complaint) can come out of that.

It's baby simple.

[100thmonkey]

How many threads do you need to say the exact same thing - and yet still not say anything at all?

Isn't this called Spam?
Seriously.

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

How many threads do you need to say the exact same thing - and yet still not say anything at all?

Isn't this called Spam?
Seriously.

You are one of the disingenuous people who never listens to a point but shows up in threads to accuse others. Your input is not needed here, Thank you.

[100thmonkey]

Originally Posted by TruthWalker

You are one of the disingenuous people who never listens to a point but shows up in threads to accuse others. Your input is not needed here, Thank you.

There's a difference between not listening to a point and not accepting it. I have always been genuine in trying to understand you and explain things to you.
You seem to think that if we don't obey you then we're causing trouble. When you react like that people can only laugh in disbelief... and so you think they're mocking. So eventually they do.
I haven't mocked you, but you seem to be the only one to not see it - that's more frustrating than any philosophical difference.

Edit: Ellie, I take your point. Thanks.

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

There's a difference between not listening to a point and not accepting it. I have always been genuine in trying to explain things to you.
You seem to think that if we don't obey you then we're causing trouble. When you react like that people can only laugh in disbelief... and so you think they're mocking. So eventually they do.
I haven't mocked you, but you seem to be the only one to not see it - that's more frustrating than any philosophical difference.

Your accusations are incorrect and unfounded.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

How many threads do you need to say the exact same thing - and yet still not say anything at all?

Isn't this called Spam?
Seriously.

Don't you see what you are doing?

<Dismayed>

This just proves my earlier point about how hard this can be.

TruthWalker: If you could instruct me now, what would you expect me to do to conform to your ideal forum?

A..

[ellie]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Don't you see what you are doing?

<Dismayed>

This just proves my earlier point about how hard this can be.

TruthWalker: If you could instruct me now, what would you expect me to do to conform to your ideal forum?

A..

He is now manipulating your mods Mr Ryan. Okay Anchor do not waste any more of your valuable time on this dark energy manipulator. Get rid of him while you can avalon. I am not kidding here. You can ban me if you like, I have a good forum with good friends that I spend my time on, but dont let this guy get his boots under the table for God's sake.

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by ellie

He is now manipulating your mods Mr Ryan. Okay Anchor do not waste any more of your valuable time on this dark energy manipulator. Get rid of him while you can avalon. I am not kidding here. You can ban me if you like, I have a good forum with good friends that I spend my time on, but dont let this guy get his boots under the table for God's sake.

Unconstructive post.

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Don't you see what you are doing?

<Dismayed>

This just proves my earlier point about how hard this can be.

TruthWalker: If you could instruct me now, what would you expect me to do to conform to your ideal forum?

A..

I don't expect people to conform to anything.

I believe people should be allowed to offer their own views what ever they are.

I just wish people would be serious, sincere, constructive, stay on topic -- and not inject things into people's posts that are specifically designed to cause mockery thereafter, or to insult the OP or to turn everything into a 7 page circus.

Everyone knows how to behave if they're expected to. It's just that people know they don't have to - so they don't.

[lucrum]

I don't like to be one to fuel the fire and usually keep out of this sort of discussions, but I do feel that there is something to this.

Yes, I agree with OP that offtopic, out of the blue comments that are solely meant for ridicule and discomfort should be kept to an absolute minimum. Keeping a serious and level-headed discussion is key whatever the subject are.

However, running a thread on how unserious some members tend to be on subjects they disapprove of seems to me like a big waste of time. This is a discussion that should be taken with mods over PM or post a thread to urge a mod to contact you to discuss what you find an important and crucial topic.
You can't expect anything else than a flamewar when doing this sort of discussion in the open. It's like standing in a crowd, telling your friends that you do not like what the other half of the crowd does. It's bound to hit trouble, no matter how right you are in your case.

There has been a level of bickering and downright childlike behaviour lately that exceed anything I've seen for a long long time. The only line you can draw between these, to connect them together, is that every single one of them can be boiled down to a simple: Yes, no, yes no - type of discussion.

Everyone should be able to say things freely, everyone are entitled their opinion...but please folks, keep it civil and keep it ON topic.
If anyone has anything against members of Avalon to such an extent they think it is right to ridicule, the correct channel for this is to contact the mods or Bill Ryan himself. Preferably the mods first and if the issue cannot be sorted with them the next level is included.

This will make this forum alot easier to read, as we now have to sort through a load of threads that only makes sense to the parts involved.

As for members that feel the need to discredit or apply accusations against other members here on Avalon, even though you feel you are doing the right thing...and maybe you are right as well, my respect is certainly not earned by doing it like this.
I am sure that goes for the majority of this forum, as we mostly make up a bunch of people with a little somewhat on top of our shoulders.
Telling people to not listen to a certain individuals is exactly the same as the individuals that tell people what to believe and what to think.

Remember that!

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by lucrum

I don't like to be one to fuel the fire and usually keep out of this sort of discussions, but I do feel that there is something to this.

Yes, I agree with OP that offtopic, out of the blue comments that are solely meant for ridicule and discomfort should be kept to an absolute minimum. Keeping a serious and level-headed discussion is key whatever the subject are.

However, running a thread on how unserious some members tend to be on subjects they disapprove of seems to me like a big waste of time. This is a discussion that should be taken with mods over PM or post a thread to urge a mod to contact you to discuss what you find an important and crucial topic.
You can't expect anything else than a flamewar when doing this sort of discussion in the open. It's like standing in a crowd, telling your friends that you do not like what the other half of the crowd does. It's bound to hit trouble, no matter how right you are in your case.

There has been a level of bickering and downright childlike behaviour lately that exceed anything I've seen for a long long time. The only line you can draw between these, to connect them together, is that every single one of them can be boiled down to a simple: Yes, no, yes no - type of discussion.

Everyone should be able to say things freely, everyone are entitled their opinion...but please folks, keep it civil and keep it ON topic.
If anyone has anything against members of Avalon to such an extent they think it is right to ridicule, the correct channel for this is to contact the mods or Bill Ryan himself. Preferably the mods first and if the issue cannot be sorted with them the next level is included.

This will make this forum alot easier to read, as we now have to sort through a load of threads that only makes sense to the parts involved.

As for members that feel the need to discredit or apply accusations against other members here on Avalon, even though you feel you are doing the right thing...and maybe you are right as well, my respect is certainly not earned by doing it like this.
I am sure that goes for the majority of this forum, as we mostly make up a bunch of people with a little somewhat on top of our shoulders.
Telling people to not listen to a certain individuals is exactly the same as the individuals that tell people what to believe and what to think.

Remember that!

I agree with the essence of your response, but I must argue that it isn't a waste of time to make a thread about this. It is productive. It is beneficial to keep all this kind of discussion in a separate thread, meant for the topic -- rather than all over the forum in amongst various posts. This way, everyone can offer their view and say what they need to say -- and you've just said a whole lot, which underscores my reasoning.

[lucrum]

Originally Posted by TruthWalker

I agree with the essence of your response, but I must argue that it isn't a waste of time to make a thread about this. It is productive. It is beneficial to keep all this kind of discussion in a separate thread, meant for the topic -- rather than all over the forum in amongst various posts. This way, everyone can offer their view and say what they need to say -- and you've just said a whole lot, which underscores my reasoning.

I'll rephrase my statement slightly:

I have yet to see any forum I've been to where open discussion about these issues have ever lead to resolve.
So while there indeed might be a good use of time, history shows it not to be.

So question is, will this end up as a huge post eventually locked by mods because no one really bothers to read the whole thing and everyone ends up doing the same remarks over and over again? Or will we sometime in the near future see a stream of general acceptance to differences flow into these forums and calm things down?

I'd prefer the latter, but it's not very realistic at this point in my opinion.

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by lucrum

I'll rephrase my statement slightly:

I have yet to see any forum I've been to where open discussion about these issues have ever lead to resolve.
So while there indeed might be a good use of time, history shows it not to be.

So question is, will this end up as a huge post eventually locked by mods because no one really bothers to read the whole thing and everyone ends up doing the same remarks over and over again? Or will we sometime in the near future see a stream of general acceptance to differences flow into these forums and calm things down?

I'd prefer the latter, but it's not very realistic at this point in my opinion.

My best guess is that it will be "eventually locked by mods because no one really bothers to read the whole thing and everyone ends up doing the same remarks over and over again"..

..but just because it's hard to be a lone voice of reason, it doesn't mean I shouldn't try. I do believe that if I keep trying this week, this month, next month, and again and again.. eventually something will be done. So if it isn't fixed this time, that's the way it's going to have to be.

I'm not giving up. I like this forum. I like the topics. I like the effort. But I can't participate amongst so much mockery, jokes, insincerity and vitriol. So, anything I have to say is largely on hold until it's fixed. If that takes 7 years, well it takes 7 years.

[beren]

I will copy -paste my responce from your other thread.


For God´´s sake man! I-G-N-O-R-E people who are mocking you and get to the point!

You are starting to stress me out!

I am afraid if you continue to bicker around with others( you too -others) I will not listen you, even if it may be THE most important message you might have on this Earth.

Leave them be , start a thread and conversate, but know that if one is not aligned with you , who gives you the right to shut them up?

I do not agree with many here but I do not shut people up!
It is not fair. Give them chance even if they mock you, slowly they will see or have a nice chat with you.

YOu re not helping with this attitude no matter how good you are or what info you have.

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by beren

I will copy -paste my responce from your other thread.


For God´´s sake man! I-G-N-O-R-E people who are mocking you and get to the point!

You are starting to stress me out!

I am afraid if you continue to bicker around with others( you too -others) I will not listen you, even if it may be THE most important message you might have on this Earth.

Leave them be , start a thread and conversate, but know that if one is not aligned with you , who gives you the right to shut them up?

I do not agree with many here but I do not shut people up!
It is not fair. Give them chance even if they mock you, slowly they will see or have a nice chat with you.

YOu re not helping with this attitude no matter how good you are or what info you have.

I have no wish to shut anyone up.

Nowhere on this forum have I demonstrated any view that could even be remotely connected to a wish for people not to be able to have their say.

I sincerely do not believe you understand the problem.

Further, I am not displaying an attitude. I am being reasonable and fair.

What I am requesting is reasonable and fair.

[beren]

Originally Posted by TruthWalker

I have no wish to shut anyone up.

Nowhere on this forum have I demonstrated any view that could even be remotely connected to a wish for people not to be able to have their say.

I sincerely do not believe you understand the problem.

Further, I am not displaying an attitude. I am being reasonable and fair.

What I am requesting is reasonable and fair.

Ok then, but what about this;

I noticed when someone replies to your thread and ,say, supports Billy Meier.

Or answers other stuff, then you jump in and cut off that person with your blunt statement about their reply. What happens next?

People get offended since you cut them off with your blunt reply which may or may not be true.

Communication is two way street.
My self, I heard about Billy Meier a year ago , looked his photos and I do not trust him. But that is my opinion. I do not go around and yell Billy is a clown or fake or whatever. Let people do fact checking and decide for themselves, I can not and will not persuade anyone into anyting.

But you then , you just use your shears and cut out !
How on earth you think you will be taken seriously and listened when you do that?

You have to allow people to have their say, then together search for answers, even if you know the facts, others may not know them.
We are not robots and YES SIR folks. We have emotions and we do need to process them in order to shed old learning and to get to the truth.
It is a painful process. It takes time. You do not cut someone´s leg if you find it sick. You try to heal it ,burture it and at the end if there is no other solution , you cut it to save the man.

Do not cut legs here Truthwalker,

P.S.
Jesus was not doing that...

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by beren

Ok then, but what about this;

I noticed when someone replies to your thread and ,say, supports Billy Meier.

Or answers other stuff, then you jump in and cut off that person with your blunt statement about their reply. What happens next?

People get offended since you cut them off with your blunt reply which may or may not be true.

Communication is two way street.
My self, I heard about Billy Meier a year ago , looked his photos and I do not trust him. But that is my opinion. I do not go around and yell Billy is a clown or fake or whatever. Let people do fact checking and decide for themselves, I can not and will not persuade anyone into anyting.

But you then , you just use your shears and cut out !
How on earth you think you will be taken seriously and listened when you do that?

You have to allow people to have their say, then together search for answers, even if you know the facts, others may not know them.
We are not robots and YES SIR folks. We have emotions and we do need to process them in order to shed old learning and to get to the truth.
It is a painful process. It takes time. You do not cut someone´s leg if you find it sick. You try to heal it ,burture it and at the end if there is no other solution , you cut it to save the man.

Do not cut legs here Truthwalker,

P.S.
Jesus was not doing that...

If someone is asking a question to be smart, I don't see the need to spend my time replying to them. I only reply to genuine responses.

You are turning this thread into an argument. I am no longer going to respond to you, also, if you don't stop littering this thread with unfounded and incorrect accusations.

If you do it again the response will be:

*ignored*

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by TruthWalker

I am not suggesting that the moderators become a bunch of dictators.

There can be absolutely no backlash whatsoever, for if moderators start insisting that posts which have been especially been designed to turn a serious thread into a joke fest.

I do not condone giving infractions or banning people or anything like that. I am not saying that moderators should dress as the gestapo and start lining people up. I think its petty to come to a forum and see that you've got an infraction. It just annoys people.

I am simply trying to point out that I have a LOT to say and that I cannot even begin as long as people are allowed to pop into a thread and start posting what ever they feel like saying (from the top of their head), just because they feel like having a laugh. without ANY regard for the topic. Even more so, people should not be allowed to "directly" make jokes about the poster, antagonizing them and finishing ever smart alec response with:

It's absolutely ridiculous and the mods SHOULD stop that kind of thing. The people responsible are doing it "ON PURPOSE".

I also notice that many members are literally being nasty. Using terms like pathetic, moron, stupid, etc (this is just "today" in the last hour). I NEVER respond to people with such posts, yet when I see it come from other people -- there's nothing. Not a mod in sight. No one cares.

The forum need to set a new tone of seriousness. Again, members can not possibly complain to mods or accuse mods of censorship if people are clearly distracting a thread. It's not "one or two posts" it's EVERY thread. They do it because they KNOW they can get away with it. It's not innocent either. They "know" they're doing it. They're not "really" upset. They're having a laugh.

This problem CAN be fixed. It will not require copious amounts of moderation. Yes, some people will test the moderators, but at this moment in time, people are free to say what ever they like, no matter how off topic it is, and no matter how insulting they are to the OP, and the response form the moderators is: "It's ok to have a laugh sometimes". Yeah ok, maybe, but not for SEVEN pages (just for the sake of it) - come on!

This problem CAN be fixed.

It can be fixed EASILY.

An assertion needs to be made:

Be sincere, keep serious topics serious, stay on topic.

NO harm (or complaint) can come out of that.

It's baby simple.

But its not.

The level of control you are asking for will require diligent, "professional" moderators. We don't have those we have volunteers with varying levels of experience at dealing with highly confrontational situations.

As I explained before - deleting and editing threads/posts is a really big deal here. There is a culture of not doing it because we don't want to give credence to the notion that we are censors with an agenda. (We are not)

There is a culture on this forum. Those of us who have been here for a long time know it. The culture does not support the mode in which you are proposing to engage in it.

It is your right to explore potential changes to that, but you cannot "insist" on them - you cannot blackmail people into accepting them with implied threats - of what you know we have characterized as disruptive behavior (see your "spotlight" para in the OP, you even admit you are doing it on purpose to make a point).

If you cannot find fertile ground for your endeavors here, then it will be time to go somewhere else. If you insist on trying to stay and change things then you are, in my opinion, not living the ideals that you claimed for yourself in the original post.

In short, it is not your forum.

This situation has a finite lifetime. Our jobs as moderators require us to maintain the status quo established by the forum guidelines and the constituent members of the forum. Some more vocal than others.

A..

[100thmonkey]

Truthwalker do you not see how people who initially tried to support you have been turned away by your own reactions? Brook, Anchor, even Beren - these are people who have tried and yet still been frustrated by the futility.
Seriously, if you can't learn from this then it makes it seem like you really are only here to Spam.

Edit: Anchor, I'm sorry. I'm not saying he can't have a say, but opening multiple threads for the same argument, isn't that unecessary?

[TruthWalker]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

Truthwalker do you not see how people who initially tried to support you have been turned away by your own reactions? Brook, Anchor, even Beren - these are people who have tried and yet still been frustrated by the futility.
Seriously, if you can't learn from this then it makes it seem like you really are only here to Spam.

Can you just go away and give up your mission to prove to me that I'm some sort of runaway nut? I am posting ALL of this for GOOD reasons which extend back more than six months!

Brook has done nothing but post insult after insult after sarcasm riddled insult. Mentioning her name isn't going to help what ever case you think you're trying to make.

[100thmonkey]

Originally Posted by TruthWalker

Brook has done nothing but post insult after insult after sarcasm riddled insult. Mentioning her name isn't going to help what ever case you think you're trying to make.

Brook has picked me up on things in your other threads, and come to your defense, only days ago, it was. Yet somehow her lightheartedness rubbed you wrong and you shut her down too - it's no surprise she reacts.
Sorry, just trying to explain, not attack.