Obama - Using "NLP" ?

[Fredkc]

Moderators; I did a search on "nlp" and "Obama hypnosis" and didn't really get a strong indication where to put this, so here it is, and please move it, if you feel the need. - Fred

Obama - Using "NLP" ?

To begin with here is the link to a comprehensive PDF file. The file describes the pracitce of "NLP" and it's ability to place things in people's unconscious memory. THings they will remember as true

Next, my political leanings: I do not support either major party candidate. It's my opinion it's a tweedle-dum tweedle-dumber choice guaranteed to finish wrecking this country, regardless of choice. That out of the way, let's move on.

There has been a bit of noise on the Net of late about something called Neuro-Linguistic Programming, or "NLP". Depending on your introduction to it, the subject can be comedic or scary, mostly depending on it's application.

Approached through the YouTube videos of Derrin Brown, such as "How to pay for anything with plain paper", or "Derren Brown uses NLP to influence someones selection of a gift", it all seems like just good parlor trick fun.

Much of the work on subliminal "suggestion" goes back to a guy named, Dr. Milton H. Erickson. Here is a couple quotes from the PDF:

The origins of “covert hypnosis” and “conversational hypnosis” aka “black ops” hypnosis...

Hypnosis is also 'bypassing the ‘critical factor’ and setting up acceptable selective thinking. The 'critical factor' is the conscious part of the brain that you think with that has the ability to make rational logical judgments about what information is received. The critical factor acts as a filter, determining what can pass into the subconscious mind which is a non-rational computer-like system which accepts everything in it as absolute truth.

That is why sidelining it is so dangerous.

Milton Erickson, had a broader definition of the unconscious mind, described as, “both the functioning of the dominant hemisphere of the brain that occurs below the level of awareness, as well as the functioning of the non-dominant hemisphere.”

Ericksonian trance induction has three dimensions which we will return to often and compare to Obama’s language patterns. They are:

1. Pacing and distraction of the dominant (language) hemisphere;
2. Utilization of the dominant hemisphere, language processing which occurs below the level of awareness;
3. Accessing of the non-dominant hemisphere.

Dr. Erickson discovered while working as a therapist, that he could hide therapeutic hypnosis within the normal content of an inconspicuous conversation with the patient, and avoid much of the patient’s conscious
resistance that normally accompanied hypnotherapy. Dr. Erickson realized the subconscious mind was always listening, and understood better than anyone before how to access it, and implant suggestions into it. (From the link; Pgs. 7-9)
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"Young people and more educated people actually have lower hypnotic subconscious suggestibility thresholds for scientific reasons later explained." (From the link; Pg. 63)

What made this resonate with me is due in large part to the complete puzzlement over Obama's continued, persistent popularity.

Why, when he has reversed so many important points in his campaign like:

1. His stance on Palestine & Israel,
2. Completely disregarding the 4th amendment in the FISA vote,
3. Including breaking his promise to fillibuster, should it include Amnesty,
4. Including voting to prevent said filibuster by others.

Items 2 and 3 are completely unconstitutional! Article 1 Section 9 specifically prevents this in no uncertain terms! "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."

He voted "yea" on this! Someone who keeps saying he's a "Constitutional Scholar"! "He taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago for nearly a decade."

One more here:

What he said in July, 2008. Colorado Springs, Co.:
“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set.
We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

I wrote him on this one, at both his campaign and Senatorial contact points. (see screenshot here) I never received a reply.

This has been defended in several ways, but none of them are consistent with the language.

• It's a Head Start Program.
• It's like a Peace Corp program.
• It's just the high school and college kids he plans to enlist.

None of these are remotely like what he said.
1. It has to do with "national security objectives".
2. It is something we are relying on our military for now.
3. None of the projects above have ever been considered a "civilian national security force".
4. He has never explained how a bunch of hi-school and college volunteers become "just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" as our military.
4a) With what money? Coming from where?
4b) With what authority?
4c) Doing what?
5. Then add to this the fact he intends to add an additional 50,000 troops to our Army. (So robbing Peter to pay Paul seems out.)


When you take:

• These votes,
• His stance and speeches to the AIPAC people, regarding unwavering support defense of Israel, and
• The qualifiers he's placed on any withdrawal from Iraq,
• This civilian surveillance program,

Taken together you have a foreign and domestic policy which differs very little from G. W. Bush's! Yet he is never called on any of this. He is still seen, most unrationally, as something different from both his predecessor and opposition. Though this difference does not exist, what people are remembering and what he's said and done have no similarity.

So now I come back to the possibility of very well practiced, and subtle mind control being practiced. And I come back to what's pointed out in this PDF file. Neuro-Linguistic Programming is someting I am just beginning to educate myself about. But I am sure there are people here who must know more about it, already.

Learning to turn off the effects, once you see how it's done, seems easier than getting someone to realize they've been subjected to it. Being able to analyze a speech, or presentation and quantify it, is way beyond my study at this point. Up until Sunday, my take on all this was limited to the fact that Obama, sets off my BS-Meter, unlike anyone else I've seen on the political stage in memory. Though I was fascinated by this bit of work:

Analysis from this website:
John McCain: Jan 19, 2008 acceptance speech.
18% hypnotic language. Mostly incidental.

Hillary Clinton: Feb 5, 2008, remarks on Super Tuesday.
32% hypnotic language. Mostly rapport building.

Barack Obama: Feb 5, 2008, remarks on Super Tuesday.
58% hypnotic language. "Complete mastery of the language, including highly abstract pacing and leading language for creating emotion and motivation. In addition to the language patterns, he is fantastic at going higher up in level of abstraction beyond details, while still managing to sound relevant. He uses Ericksonian-style language patterns, including presuppositions and nominalizations extensively.

This is only a sample of 500 words from a single speech, but as you can see, Obama tops the crowd using nearly 60% hypnotic language patterns. In my opinion, this is purposeful language, likely written by a very skilled speech writer — perhaps someone trained in Neuro-Linguistic Programming or Hypnosis." -Michael

Both McCain and Hillary's use seems well within the normal abilities of people using their own ability to convince/entreat people and gain their sympathies. Obama however is far beyond the laws of chance.


As I stated at the beginning I am neither an Obama, or McCain supporter. I consider them both "100% owned" and dangerous for this time and place.

Whether you support his "Stated ideas" (this week's, anyway) or not, this has to be a wake up call to the fact it is being used on us, with incredible, and possibly devastating results.

This will probably not be the last time, either. Assuming we ever get another chance to vote in this country.

I wold be interested to hear other people's reactions to this, and possibly some analysis from people who know of these techniques.

Thanks for yoru time,

Fred.