Have an open mind but no so open that your brains fall out

Finally, a voice of reason here! Thanks EYO. I'd say that it already has descended into a "new age clap trap" though, which is why I'll likely leave soon.

Before I do though, I want to get out the truth about some of this info:

Particularly exposing George Green and the ridiculous pronunciatation of the name "Jesus" that is going around thanks to Mr. Wilcock's newest interview.

The truth about George Green is that he has no contact with any ET's whatsoever, and is plagarizing "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier's material, getting it wrong, and adding his own spin to it in the process. ET's aren't telling him to "wait", the final WW3 warning signs from Mr. Meier's prophecies still haven't occured. That's why he's not leaving yet. All of this is true, but, of course, it's up to Mr. Green to admit that he's a charlatan/liar.

I'll add more in the Camelot forum though, since it really pertains more to that section seeing as how Green's interviews are with Camelot.

Regarding David Wilcock's ridiculous pronunciation "Yehoshua":

The reality is that, in Aramaic, the name would be pronounced "Eeyeshua". I'm guessing that David took it from Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ", although he's still pronouncing it incorrectly. This is essentially a moot point because "Jesus" wasn't even the guy's real name; it was "Jmmanuel" (pronounced "Yeemmanuel" or "Eemmanuel").

Which is why his statement about the name "Jesus Christ", which is either Latin or Greek and translates to "annointed one of god", is accurate.

The fact that that wasn't his real name is even alluded to in various verses throught the Bible, for example: just open up the old testament and check out Isaiah 7: 14, Isaiah 8: 8, and possibly Matthew 1: 23, among others.


The other thing is something which I posted elsewhere, but will post again here. It pertains to those of us in the US, the US economy, martial law, and FEMA detention camps:

Okay everybody, calm down. Martial law will be necessary because of the the public's behavior after the US economic collapse.

The camps (which are NOT concentration type camps) are for people who are militant and those who will be causing trouble in general; they're NOT for everyone.

The point being that you aren't going to be taken to a camp unless you're behaving in an unreasonable (i.e. militant) manner.

Reasonable individuals won't be taken to the camps.

The key here is for people to behave REASONABLY, not in a militant/chaotic manner.

People are reading too much into the whole thing and assume that these camps have something to do with the depopulation agenda. They don't; they're prisons in which to keep the thousands of militant nuts who will arise once the **** hits the fan in the US (the economic collapse).

The coming situation is to bring the North American Union and the Amero, not depopulation.

Once again: People need to remain REASONABLE in the time ahead if they want to stay out of those camps.

For my Self, it is ALL about having an Open heart...this is key. The heart has a bigger brain than we KNOW!! I try not to focus on others, instead, focusing on my own intuition, intention and flow of energy, reading and interpreting LIFE from my heart. Seems to have created some magic in my reality...ahhhhhh...

[JohnWdoe]

Look at how many people looked at this thread! i have been keeping an eye on the thread counts and noticed that all of the high views are in fact New Age mystics.

Personally i rarely post on forums and prefer a nice cup of tea with a chat over posting on forums. To stab that i can also say when will i ever get a chance to meet John Lear? more so share a cup of tea with him! lol


The flood gate has opened and here again i say "i do NOT judge you for your true being but rather the information/hard facts presented, albeit i find some real problems with how they think i will never let myself become Ayn Rand. i cant believe she would rather look at skyscrapers then the stars because man made them, what a joke...

i digress but i just want to show you all that my personal searching has once again led me back to myself without any biased concepts, i was once quite deep into Eastern Mysticism and to me i felt like i had answered all the weird questions i once asked, hardly did i answer them but rather understand another's idea, that never crossed my mind.

To all you mystics and ascended ones... what is it that you seek in life? do you ever question if you are really real? how much do you personally use meditation and projection? and why? what does the world mean to you and why do you seek love/light? have you ever had thoughts that you simply cant control and your brain seems to be speaking without consent? if so what are those voice saying? something about your teachings?

I think its hard because this subject you must tread on lightly... i will tell you how i feel though don't ever think i wont when your floating away from reality in a hand basket, if your genuine and a good person i really see no reason to think and be India. Alot of the West is simply without ANY culture,this i have always known but realized more so as i grew up, it seems for the better to.

Now i realize where my true power of self came from -it was always me even more i had to find myself without a culture guide, that has alot of pitfalls but i always thought to persevere.

To tab a label on something leaves you at the mercy of humanity that is why you will never see me call myself anything but my name.

A name can have much more power then any creed.

[lock'N'load]

It might be helpfull to instead of making a thread generalising everything as new age crap to make a thread debating whichever subject it is that you disagree with.

That way some good might come out of it.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

typical example of what i mean...

"doood - real evidence & proof that the pledians will save us on 14th october!!!!!!"

when infact all it is, is a youtube link with somebody stating their opinion as FACT. maybe new age claptrap was a bit harsh, I just mean the willingness of people to belive in anything is very worrying.
And it seems to be happening a lot in these forums.

What we need is CALM, INTELLIGENT & REASONED disscussion if we are to move forward.



love & light to all!

[lock'N'load]

Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

typical example of what i mean...

"doood - real evidence & proof that the pledians will save us on 14th october!!!!!!"

when infact all it is, is a youtube link with somebody stating their opinion as FACT. maybe new age claptrap was a bit harsh, I just mean the willingness of people to belive in anything is very worrying.
And it seems to be happening a lot in these forums.

What we need is CALM, INTELLIGENT & REASONED disscussion if we are to move forward.

(see, even contactees have a ******** meter!

love & light to all!

I feel ya mate, its like what i was saying in a different thread about people posting all kinds of doomsday prophecies.
They seem oblivious to the effects it has on the people who read them, and i know for a fact that the majority of these prophecies are just out there to make someone a few quid.

Needless to say, i know much more then a few handfulls of people around here who have ended their lifes from the terror that this mindless posting of information has caused.

But i disagree with your approach to the situation, you just made a massive generalisation with this post and you didnt even mention what 'clap trap' you were refering too.

That is why we have forums, so if there is something we disagree with we bring it into open discussion and debate it rationally and logically.

And i might add, im all for deleting posts that have been classified as bunk, theres nothing worse then disinformation.

[Andre]

I fully agree with you, EYES WIDE OPEN.

We must think in a rational and logical manner, receiving all the data and information, encrypting, decrypting, analyzing and interpreting, listening the views of others, research more and more, and finally drawing our conclusions with a view to educating others so that they can start the same cycle we started.

We must not try to venture into the absurd.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by Andre

I fully agree with you, EYES WIDE OPEN.

We must think in a rational and logical manner, receiving all the data and information, encrypting, decrypting, analyzing and interpreting, listening the views of others, research more and more, and finally drawing our conclusions with a view to educating others so that they can start the same cycle we started.

We must not try to venture into the absurd.

finnaly someone with comonn sense. i don't wanna hear people saying that we should abandon reason to let our spirit take control like some in the forum say, that's just stupid. people LET US REASON TOGHETHER AND CUT THE NEW AGE B.S.!

Originally Posted by Andre

I fully agree with you, EYES WIDE OPEN.

We must think in a rational and logical manner, receiving all the data and information, encrypting, decrypting, analyzing and interpreting, listening the views of others, research more and more, and finally drawing our conclusions with a view to educating others so that they can start the same cycle we started.

We must not try to venture into the absurd.

Well while you "receiving all the data and information, encrypting, decrypting, analyzing and interpreting"... I will be busy making sure my household is secure and has an emergency plan... Right now our pantry holds easily three months food and our pool has 35,000 gallons of water that could be used for drinking if need be...

Its always wise to be prepared... THEN you can sit back on a forum and preach doom and gloom

Now then how about a list of what you need?

I will add the first item...

TOILET PAPER

Oh yeah? just try living without that for a month... :P

And forget money... it will be worthless...

Stockpile liquor and things like pocket knives and water proof matches

Booze will be worth more than gold when things go bad...

[Namaste2012]

If you had to pick one thing to stockpile it should be food or water. You can have anything else and it will be for nothing if you don't have anything to eat or drink.

Namaste'

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by zorgon

I will add the first item...

TOILET PAPER

Oh yeah? just try living without that for a month... :P

And forget money... it will be worthless...

Ok, I will wipe my butt with my spare cash

Seriously, you raise good points.

Living without hot water is an aquired taste too - also if you are caffeine or nicotine addicted, the first few days without will be hell.

[Kahunamahalo]

No amount of good intentions, channeling, peace, love & understanding will save our asses from the business end of a gun wanting the meager stores of food & water we have saved. We need to use the skills that we have accumulated in order survive. If the big one really goes down, it's not going to be Earth II, it will most likely be people scrapping for a rotten onion. One look at the aftermath of Katrina will tell us that humans can resort to violence and throw away all civility within 3 days of being denied basic services.

What will happen in a post-apocalyptic world? Will it happen? NOBODY can know for sure. The likely hood of it happening is greater now than ever before. What I am saying is have common sense, put stores of food, water & fuel away, if praying is your think, thats cool. But keep a sensible mind, you may need it.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

NEW AGE CLAP TRAP WAS A BAD CHOICE OF WORD ON MY PART.

What I am really getting at is peoples willingness to belive anything & everything.

Some of us require evidence. I have already been called names by John Lear for daring to question him in the 9/11 thread.

The recent thread here is a good example. (post 13)http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2159


Anyway, hope thats a bit clearer now.

[lock'N'load]

Ahh much clearer. Its sometimes wise to to get into the habit of not generalising certain subjects, for obvious reasons.

As for the John Lear thread, i have not personally read that.
But my opinion on 9/11 can be shown in just a few points.

- There were nuclear devices used to bring the building down, there is no other explanation for its disintegration into nano particles.

- It was done to get the people to ask (beg?) the government to tighten up their shackles, ohh and also a pretext to enter the middle east, a subject that would require another thread to discuss.

- It WAS an inside job, no offence but if after thorough research you have not come to this conclusion you need a reality check.

I think they are the most important aspects and i dont see the point in quareling about the other minor details, they are of no real significance.

The reason i said something was because it is off putting to people who may want to start researching subjects like Astral projection, telepathy, remote viewing, bi-location, levitation, etc when they hear it so often refered to as 'new age clap trap'. We do not know very much about these phenomina but im more then convinced about many of them myslef. Such topics deserve our respect.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I agree with all your 9/11 points.

[Esteban]

Originally Posted by lock'N'load

Ahh much clearer. Its sometimes wise to to get into the habit of not generalising certain subjects, for obvious reasons.

As for the John Lear thread, i have not personally read that.
But my opinion on 9/11 can be shown in just a few points.

- There were nuclear devices used to bring the building down, there is no other explanation for its disintegration into nano particles.

- It was done to get the people to ask (beg?) the government to tighten up their shackles, ohh and also a pretext to enter the middle east, a subject that would require another thread to discuss.

- It WAS an inside job, no offence but if after thorough research you have not come to this conclusion you need a reality check.

I think they are the most important aspects and i dont see the point in quareling about the other minor details, they are of no real significance.

The reason i said something was because it is off putting to people who may want to start researching subjects like Astral projection, telepathy, remote viewing, bi-location, levitation, etc when they hear it so often refered to as 'new age clap trap'. We do not know very much about these phenomina but im more then convinced about many of them myslef. Such topics deserve our respect.

spirituallity is fine. but not all spirituallity is new age. actually new age is not that vast. new age is a movement created by the secret societies to control people's minds. it became very popular within the hippie movement. i ghess the best way to describe new age is HIPPY. hippie movement is Aleister Crowley's dream come true. just a bunch of non-thinking-too-lazy-to-give-a-damm-people who believe they are smarter than every other hard working people. new age = hippysm = relativism.

"Relativism is a legacy of the New Age. I think relativism is quite dangerous. I don't think the Truth requires our belief in it. Anyone can guess on the number of stars in the universe yet it will have no bearing on how many stars there are in the universe. There is a set number of stars and God knows what it is. Whatever "truth" we have about it doesn't change it."

[lock'N'load]

Originally Posted by Esteban

spirituallity is fine. but not all spirituallity is new age. actually new age is not that vast. new age is a movement created by the secret societies to control people's minds. it became very popular within the hippie movement. i ghess the best way to describe new age is HIPPY. hippie movement is Aleister Crowley's dream come true. just a bunch of non-thinking-too-lazy-to-give-a-damm-people who believe they are smarter than every other hard working people. new age = hippysm = relativism.

"Relativism is a legacy of the New Age. I think relativism is quite dangerous. I don't think the Truth requires our belief in it. Anyone can guess on the number of stars in the universe yet it will have no bearing on how many stars there are in the universe. There is a set number of stars and God knows what it is. Whatever "truth" we have about it doesn't change it."

Im sorry but using stereotypes when i talk to people is just something i cannot do.
I dislike using them and i dislike when people implement them into a conversation, the use stereotypes and generalisations just adds confusion and serves to seperate people into different groups which ultimitaly leads to a break down in communication.

When we label people we put them into a little box and lock them into a specific group which is entirely unspecific and wildely inacurate. And aside from that it is designed to rob people of their credibility and works in exactly the same way as religion does. People are using different language to describe the same thing.

There is no 'New age movement' There are just people learning about certain subjects that are deemed new to our current culture. To throw a generalisation around this completely robs it of its value and is akin to calling a man with long hair a rocker.

We can see how this works in school.

Jocks
Preps
Geeks
Grunge
Rockers
The list goes on and on and on.

I am everything. I like to listen to rock music while i play football. I enjoy broadening my inteligence whilst listening to Nirvana. I would feel very offended if someone branded me into a specific category.

The use of labels and generalisations just serves to seperate us and is something that we should have rid ourselves of a long long time ago.

Communication is much easier when people make an effort to be specific with what they are talking about. There is no specific group of people. There are specific groups of subjects.. but you could not call someone who practices Astral Projection a shaman or a new ager, he is simply someone who practises some form of spiritual exercise along with many many other hobbies that can and most often are completely unrelated.

The powers that be want you to use stereotypes because it is a form of divide and conquer and it works in exactly the same way as Religion does, a means to cause seperation, confusion, misunderstanding and disrespect. And most importantly a means of division.

excuse the length of this post, i went off on one there.

[whitecrow]

Originally Posted by Esteban

...new age is a movement created by the secret societies to control people's minds. it became very popular within the hippie movement. i ghess the best way to describe new age is HIPPY...just a bunch of non-thinking-too-lazy-to-give-a-damm-people who believe they are smarter than every other hard working people. new age = hippysm = relativism.

The opinion you express as facts is only partly true. I was there, pal. The descent of the hippie movement into drugs and corruption was due in part to the CIA. There were plenty of disinformation sources. But if you didn't live through the 60s you can only imagine what it was like. The Vietnam War went on forever, and every time you turned around one of the "good guys" was getting assassinated. The hippies started out as serious nonviolent revolutionaries, and the government responded because we had power and we scared them.

Originally Posted by Esteban

"Relativism is a legacy of the New Age. I think relativism is quite dangerous. I don't think the Truth requires our belief in it..."

Relativism is hardly a legacy of the New Age. It's older than Pontius Pilate, who mused: "What is truth?" The outlook you express is absolutism. In my view, absolutism is at least as dangerous as relativism - but they are just words. Things like adaptability and flexibility in the ways we respond to our environment are usually virtues. Bullheaded refusal to concede anything may be useful at times, but that is the usual description of an obstacle to truth, not a sign pointing toward it.

For what it's worth I too think there is a lot of nonsense out there. I don't care to label it all "New Age" or any other name. I think it comes in all shapes and sizes. I also think that what we actually know is far less than what we think we do.

I keep my mind propped wide open. I use my innate reasoning ability as best I can, and I use the discernment that I have gained through six decades of living. I always consider that I could be mistaken. I often have been. But my brain is anchored firmly in place. I hasn't fallen out yet.

[omnicentricity]

whitecrow you really get this my friend.

EYES WIDE OPEN - I understand why you made this thread, and it certainly is relevant to remind people to maintain a level of discernment with their own intutition. This is helpful... but throwing around a cliche Bertrand Russel quote while generalizing a big chunk of unspecified information as crap doesn't really make the reminder ANY more precise...

If you have contact experiences, I am sure many people would LOVE to hear them, specifically in reference to HOW they were significant in shaping your current beliefs and behaviors. Personally, I could not give less of a **** if the contact experiences were "real" or not... or the fact that you may not have any proof of the experiences... or if the experiences was channeled from a mind control satellite... or WHATEVER! There may be a nugget of gold within what you could share that could contribute to my life or others' lives in a postive way. There is really no good reason NOT to share it, my friend!

Projecting external judgements onto yourself may not always be an effective behavior

All the extraneous possiblities that may or may not be crap are actually irrelevant, because if I am presented with any sort of information, from any source, and I take the time to let it absorb, THERE IS VALUE IN ANYTHING.

Why? Because EVERYTHING IS VALUABLE.

It simply does not matter if the information is even "true", in whatever esoteric level we choose to define that term, from whichever level of consciousness we have cultivated within ourselves.

And with a SHARP MIND and a DISCERNING SPIRIT, it matters not if I get a nugget of gold from a source that another person may judgementally reject... as long as I understand WHY I am accepting the concept/feeling/perspective.

I CHOOSE to REFINE my own BEINGNESS and EVOLVE my SELF for the betterment of me, my family, my friends, my community, my nation, the world, the cosmos, and everything therein. I am not going to speak for everyone else here, but I am rather confident that most of the people at this forum would most likely smile and nod at the statement above

What is the point? Well, since we can understand that beliefs are just thoughts we have chosen to charge with emotional energy, it means they actually can be as dynamically interchangeable as thoughts themselves! In fact, I would say that in a given day, the only time I am actually believing certain things are when I need to model the belief to explain a concept to another person, or to engage them from their model of the world.

The divinity of Jesus, holographic technology of 9/11, channeled information, cloning Elvis, or ANY example which may or may not be beyond absurd is actually not a relevant subject... until we are engaging another human being who is projecting their experience of reality THROUGH one of these thought patterns (my Self included of course).

If I am speaking to my 84 year old grandmother and she mentions terrorists, it does not serve the situation in any way to assault her consciousness with 9/11 conspiracy realities. If I just met the father of a new girlfriend I happen to be with, and he says something about Jesus, there is absolutely no point to me going into a segue about how Jesus maybe didn't exist or that he was an alien or whatever.

Within the context of social dynamics, relevance of this stuff only matters in terms of "how can I connect, love, understand, share with, and co-create a higher state of consciousness with the person/people I am interacting with RIGHT NOW?"

From this place, ALL of this stuff is true, and furthermore, what if 100% of ALL of this information collectively is only scratching the surface of a reality that is levels of magnitude beyond what we can even imagine? What is that means that a 1,000,000% of it is actually true?

Then again, maybe it is just 50%. Or maybe 1%. Perhaps none of it is true. Maybe we are all just collectively delusional.

But it empowers me and every being I exchange energy with to feel the KNOWING of the fact that WE are AVATARS of this age, and through our positive collective contributions, what we are choosing to create is an experience of reality that will bring more Light and more Love to Universe.

For this reason, in the spirit of the quantum reality we incarnated within, I choose to agree and disagree with everything that all of you say simultaneously!

One thing that resonates as true for me, is that questions such as: "How is this valuable? How does this connect? How does this positively contribute?" are in most cases infintely better questions to ask than their antitheses.

Give your Self a hug, imagine yourself healthly, happy, and whole - enveloped in a shimmering aura of white light and feel the love I hope this post expressed

Namaste,

Nate

[Esteban]

I agree. about 90% is bs. most of this forum is about new age crap. i'm sorry if i offend people but i don't wanna hear "if it works for you it's fine" or "maybe you don't believe it but others do" again. reltivism is not the answer! and new age is a tool that the illuminati (the jesuits) use to control people. i think less than half of the forum members saw the Project Camelot interviews.

[Humble Janitor]

The problem with the original author is that his/her eyes are so widely open, they risk falling out of their sockets!

Just a bit of humor.

Good point but I'd rather have a wide open mind than a shackled and shuttered mind

[optimistic]

Very good thread, and it would be nice if people would stop seeing conspiracies in their cereal :P

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

bump.

[unlimited mind]

here are just some rambling thoughts on this stream...........

truth is in the eye of the beholder. is that a truth?

want proof? all i can give is my personal experience, will that do?

my truth changes daily. it changes daily because my level of awareness changes daily. my level of awareness changes because i ask a lot of questions, and then the uni verse sends me some more answers based on the chemicals that my brain projects magnetically into the quantum field.

there may be lots of things within the walls of this forum that some have already made their way thru, meaning they have already ingested the awareness and came out on the other side. but there are also those that have been drawn to the vibration of this forum to get to the other side.

is this not of the highest and best good of ALL of the ONE's that we are?

this forum should be a place where everyone can share with one another, lay it all out there as a group and see where the energy flows. judging another persons awareness is comparable to insanity. how many times does one need to do this before realizing it is in vain?

remember remember remember
allow allow allow
release release release

[conjuredUp]

Originally Posted by unlimited mind

here are just some rambling thoughts on this stream...........

truth is in the eye of the beholder. is that a truth?

want proof? all i can give is my personal experience, will that do?

my truth changes daily. it changes daily because my level of awareness changes daily. my level of awareness changes because i ask a lot of questions, and then the uni verse sends me some more answers based on the chemicals that my brain projects magnetically into the quantum field.

there may be lots of things within the walls of this forum that some have already made their way thru, meaning they have already ingested the awareness and came out on the other side. but there are also those that have been drawn to the vibration of this forum to get to the other side.

is this not of the highest and best good of ALL of the ONE's that we are?

this forum should be a place where everyone can share with one another, lay it all out there as a group and see where the energy flows. judging another persons awareness is comparable to insanity. how many times does one need to do this before realizing it is in vain?

remember remember remember
allow allow allow
release release release

Perfect!

LOVELOVELOVE