understanding death

rhythm · 06-08-2009, 11:41 AM

Die to the little self

while still in the body ..

die to ignorance

greed

suffering

fear

control

and then realy live ...

and then realy die ...

finaly ....

put an end to it ...

off the wheel

the merry go round ...

AussieG · 06-08-2009, 01:53 PM

Interesting post Mudra, although I may digress from the subject of death
I still think it is worth saying.

If we are eternal and I believe we are, then we have existed in one form or another for billions of years and will continue to exist for billions more. So then what is the purpose of this Earth plain existence in a physical 3D body?
As we evolve I believe we eventually become what I term an enlightened being. To be enlightened it implys that we can answer any question and to do that we must have experienced the situation of the question, honey is just honey until you taste it. Therefore to experience by touch taste smell sound and sight emotions and feelings is truly wonderful. To hold a new born baby in your arms, to experience the excitement of youth the wisdom of age the transcendence of death. Only one life time would be way to short to gain the infinite experiences on offer. To be a Fly for a day or a mighty Oak tree for four hundred years.
So to me the only thing of substance is experience.

Now to the nature of experience. it is my understanding that initially we were beings of positive free will DNA (consciousness) and gave unconditionally as the apple gives up it's fruit so it's seed can be carried all was in balance, until greed and avarice evolved. Through time these traits have been deliberately infesting our DNA and in certain percentage has become dominant manifesting as ultra egos with no or very little compassion or care.

Again it is my believe that the majority of humanity still has enough positive DNA and if nurtured and practiced can return to dominance. The challenge as I see it is to do what my conscious suggests despite what my Ego wants and to give freely without conditions.

Although the presence of the negative energies of ego in us all may seem to be repressive, we here in this existence are unique in the fact that we have adapted to dealing with it. I pray and hope that humanity can wake up to this fact and begin to restore the balance.

tone3jaguar · 06-08-2009, 09:34 PM

The best way to get over a fear of death is to astral project. Once you have been out of your body, the thought of it all ending vanishes forever.

scanner · 06-08-2009, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

The best way to get over a fear of death is to astral project. Once you have been out of your body, the thought of it all ending vanishes forever.

Boy do I struggle doing that, tried lots of times

fall asleep every time . No fear of death though saw lots of it and spirit in a job I had. Even made contact with a couple of them

J_rod7 · 07-12-2009, 12:26 AM

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On Death and Dying

Die Art zu Leben

The Nature of Life (or) The Manner of Living (or) How to Live

"The fearlessness must be formed in such a way that it is never foolhardy, rather simply in such a way that the grief, the hindrances and the difficulties, and so forth, are not avoided, so that from them it can be learnt - and also the cognition matures - that all life of any kind is bound together and requires the other and indeed extending beyond death.

"If this cognition matures then intensive contemplation is engaged about the significance of death and dying which exhibits so many facets of the perishable.

"This cognition in turn enables the human to draw full use from his life, as long as time allows this.

"The use is the creation of further cognition, of knowledge, love, peace, wisdom and harmony and security, to be able to die without feeling regret, without having to reproach oneself for living life wrongly and having senselessly wasted it.

"Therefore there is only the way of true evolution which says that life must be lived all the time and in every situation so correctly that neither in life nor in death does it evoke regret."

--- From: ---

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/mei...l152.sww69.htm

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The act of dying is well known to all of us, though many refuse to face this in a realistic way. Reincarnation IS the true Reality. All that we learn in this life is stored in the Comprehensive Consciousness Block between the lives, and is accessible to our Spirit as we generate a new personality in the next incarnation. Nothing gained is ever lost.

Then the meaning and purpose of THIS life is to learn what we may for the continued Evolution of our Spirits. When we find solutions to the problems of life, the lessons of living, these lessons do not need to be repeated again - we move on to new problems and new lessons. This is the path of Evolution - to evolve to greater and greater challenges for our continued growth in Spiritual Wisdom.

The Ultimate Goal of all our lives => some 60- to 80-Billion years experienced in the Material worlds => is to re-unite again with Creation, from which our Spirits originate, along with all other Spirits which have been on all the different paths of their own Evolution. The ReUnion of Spirits come from everywhere in the Entire Universe. The Purpose for this is to bring the GIFT of our accumulated Knowledge, Love and Wisdom back to Creation.

http://www.theyfly.com/

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/

http://us.figu.org/portal/Default.aspx

http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi

Peace

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mudra · 07-12-2009, 12:46 AM

"Therefore there is only the way of true evolution which says that life must be lived all the time and in every situation so correctly that neither in life nor in death does it evoke regret."

I like this idea Jrod .. so true

Thank you

Loving kindness
mudra

Northern Boy · 07-12-2009, 01:12 AM

Physical death to me is failure to graduate from this earth school! The wheel of reincarnation is real alright, but its a limitation.

Some of the holiest men on this earth have reincarnated over and over again and ego had nothing to do with it The Dali Lama is one example our earth has been in lock down till we learn the lessons we need to in order to go next level. But for some reason this time is going to be different . There will be a graduation this time

J_rod7 · 07-12-2009, 01:50 AM

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Mudra, Thank you for opening this Thread. It is long overdue that Human Beings should realistically examine the ART of living and dying.

This, in your opening statement, is a "wake-up call" for those still sleeping with their illusions...:

"I am posting this thread because I feel that as much as we have to understand our relation to life it is as important to understand our relation to death for this is part of our existence. We should not wait for death to come to transcend it and come to the plain realization that we are immortal."

Love and Blessings

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J_rod7 · 07-12-2009, 01:57 AM

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. . Could the "tunnel" look like this?...
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Colors would be reversed, the center will be full of Bright, White Light

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mudra · 07-13-2009, 10:34 PM

We will see when the time comes Jrod. I believe as Consciousness evolves and moves to a higher gear this time going through a tunnel won't be needed .As far as I can sense it these tunnels were part of the process of reincarnation . Graduating through the heart will leave no room for guilt feelings that one needs to make up for . This is how we will reach a new plane of existence.

Loving kindness
mudra

Angel in Disguise · 07-13-2009, 10:45 PM

Dolores Cannon does a GREAT job of explaining death in 'Moving into a New Earth'... I can't find the link but it was an amazing description, one I resonate with greatly. I highly recommend it if you can find it

07-13-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by J_rod7

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. . Could the "tunnel" look like this?...
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Colors would be reversed, the center will be full of Bright, White Light

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Not the tunnel I saw.

Beautiful image though.

WinterWolf · 07-14-2009, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by sleepingnomore

Not the tunnel I saw.

Beautiful image though.

I like the fact that when I look at this particular picture, it moves for me. No I am not on drugs.

I see a wormhole instead of a tunnel..if that makes any sense...

Winter Wolf

Céline · 12-29-2009, 08:17 PM

my mother died Feb. 1st 2002 of complications from emphysema.

She was diagnosed at 55 and died at 59. In those 4 years, we talk alot about death...and life. We shared more in those 4 years then we did in the 33 years before her death...

The night she died, my sister and i were by her side...as she quietly took her last breath...that singular moment, those first few seconds of silence...reminded me of the first few seconds before my babies took their first breath...

So...

my mothers last breath...and my childrens first...created the same feeling, the same...pause...

It is a gift i cherish...and was honored to be there and witness her last breath.

Greenlander · 12-29-2009, 08:44 PM

Thank you all for this forum

When my father died I realized how much I loved him.
I believe that is one more reason why we have death, to realize how much we love the one we lose.

Love Greenlander

Céline · 12-29-2009, 09:32 PM

*celine hugs you *

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenlander

Thank you all for this forum

When my father died I realized how much I loved him.
I believe that is one more reason why we have death, to realize how much we love the one we lose.

Love Greenlander

Jacqui D · 12-29-2009, 10:55 PM

I do not fear death at all. i do not want to say i welcome it either but certainly do not fear it, many fear leaving their families behind this is a human trait but we have many families in many past lives.
Perhaps if we celebrated death the fear would not be so harsh perhaps celebrate is the wrong word but why fear something which is inevitable.
Why be sad also lets embrace our moving on whether we choose to re incarnate or ascend.
I will not be entering the tunnel or following the white light i will be looking out to the universe and joining back with the stars.

mudra · 12-30-2009, 12:26 AM

We as souls open the door of "life" , walk in and then forget that we actually did so . If we don't wake up to it while we are in there then when we leave it feels as if "life" is closing the door on us and we want to get back there .And so the cycles of birth and death go on until we fully realize our immortality ..our true essence beyond life and death.We are Life eternal .. Birth and death are just a room we visit on our journey and the purpose of the visit is to switch the Light on while being there so we don't stay stuck in the dark .

Love Always
mudra

Zeddo · 12-30-2009, 12:38 AM

I could wax lyrical, be long winded, quote many great sages, divest worthy paragraphs from learned people but this is what I have to say about life/death.

There is an expression (or quote, if you prefer) that I hold to. I cannot remember where I read this because I was pre-teen when I did, and it goes something like this...

"If I die knowing that my life benefited just one person, then I know my life has been worthwhile and a success".

That is my creed, it is what I live by even though I tend to forget this more often than I remember.

In closing, I know this will be my last time here.

Love Light and Peace

Z

mudra · 12-30-2009, 12:46 AM

I remember thinking something similar to you Zeddo.
" If I manage to help awaken fully One person I'll be happy "
Of course with these kind of thougts in mind you begin to help many .
And by helping many .. finally you are helping yourself for you come to realize who you really are .. that you are Love and at the same time that you are ONE..
Seems you are going to leave a warm Light on on closing dear Zeddo

Love Always
mudra

futureyes · 12-30-2009, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mudra

We as souls open the door of "life" , walk in and then forget that we actually did so . If we don't wake up to it while we are in there then when we leave it feels as if "life" is closing the door on us and we want to get back there .And so the cycles of birth and death go on until we fully realize our immortality ..our true essence beyond life and death.We are Life eternal .. Birth and death are just a room we visit on our journey and the purpose of the visit is to switch the Light on while being there so we don't stay stuck in the dark .

Love Always
mudra

this is so wonderful how you put this mudra ... it is of such truth that resonates with me ...

some ppl say there is no learning to be in this life ... but only to experience ... but i feel ... there is meant to be tremendous learning in life ... about who we really are ... and i know ... i sound like a broken record always saying this ...

i know of ppl ... who in this life ... had remained disconnected ... to the realization of who they really are and how great of a glue love is amongst all that is ...
in this life ... they were lost and were separated ...
they were rigid of their ego belief that there is only "i" ...
in this life ... they were not flexible within their hearts of the realization of "we" ...

they knew not of how to switch the light on within their visit ... and remained in the dark ...

and in their own deaths ... they remained as lost souls ... lost to the realization that life is eternal ... souls feeling they must remain in the dark ... not knowing ... of the beyond ...

it is strange ... i have had some experiences with ... with accompanying some ... to where they needed to be ... another llife experience ... another opportunity ... to come to know who they really are ...

i have come to know ... for myself ... there is no suffering in death ... there is only known realization of what is ... or there is the opportunity once again ...

in life ... there is death ...
in death ... there is life ...

life is our opportunity ... to evolve to our true essence ... now is the energy at its greatest ever ... in assisting us ... to our truth ...

and in our darkness ... the opportunity for each and every one of us ... to find that switch ...

and finally ... turn on the light ...

Gnosis5 · 12-30-2009, 03:45 AM

It does not make sense to me how one could have experience without learning. But in my lifetimes reviews I sure did some stupid things, and for no good reason either. I had to make up a reason and I have not yet been able to find anything romantic or poetic about some of my existences, but I have come to love myself and others more and to be wiser in choosing my learning experiences and "fun" games.

When my father died I realized there is a spirit reaction to death and there is a body reaction to death. The body (visceral) reaction felt strongest and contradicted the spirit response to death.

mudra · 12-30-2009, 12:36 AM

Realizations about Love are always important ones Greenlander as Love is your essence .
When you learn about love you learn about you ...about who you really are.

Love Always
mudra

mudra · 12-30-2009, 12:38 AM

It seems Céline that in all these cases you have been witness to .. your mother and your children .. these souls opened and closed the door of life gently

Love Always
mudra

mkspllmn · 01-06-2010, 02:31 AM

Does it matter how it happens?

Accident, disease, suicide?

Does the method have any effect in what happens after or is death just death no matter how it happens?

06-08-2009, 11:41 AM	#1
rhythm Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: devon england Posts: 1,905	Re: understanding death *Die to the little self* *while still in the body ..* *die to ignorance* *greed* *suffering* *fear* *control* *and then realy live ...* *and then realy die ...* *finaly ....* *put an end to it ...* *off the wheel* *the merry go round ...*

06-08-2009, 01:53 PM	#2
AussieG Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 187	Re: understanding death Interesting post Mudra, although I may digress from the subject of death I still think it is worth saying. If we are eternal and I believe we are, then we have existed in one form or another for billions of years and will continue to exist for billions more. So then what is the purpose of this Earth plain existence in a physical 3D body? As we evolve I believe we eventually become what I term an enlightened being. To be enlightened it implys that we can answer any question and to do that we must have experienced the situation of the question, honey is just honey until you taste it. Therefore to experience by touch taste smell sound and sight emotions and feelings is truly wonderful. To hold a new born baby in your arms, to experience the excitement of youth the wisdom of age the transcendence of death. Only one life time would be way to short to gain the infinite experiences on offer. To be a Fly for a day or a mighty Oak tree for four hundred years. So to me the only thing of substance is experience. Now to the nature of experience. it is my understanding that initially we were beings of positive free will DNA (consciousness) and gave unconditionally as the apple gives up it's fruit so it's seed can be carried all was in balance, until greed and avarice evolved. Through time these traits have been deliberately infesting our DNA and in certain percentage has become dominant manifesting as ultra egos with no or very little compassion or care. Again it is my believe that the majority of humanity still has enough positive DNA and if nurtured and practiced can return to dominance. The challenge as I see it is to do what my conscious suggests despite what my Ego wants and to give freely without conditions. Although the presence of the negative energies of ego in us all may seem to be repressive, we here in this existence are unique in the fact that we have adapted to dealing with it. I pray and hope that humanity can wake up to this fact and begin to restore the balance.

06-08-2009, 09:34 PM	#3
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: understanding death The best way to get over a fear of death is to astral project. Once you have been out of your body, the thought of it all ending vanishes forever.

07-12-2009, 12:26 AM	#5
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: understanding death ***** * * On Death and Dying Die Art zu Leben The Nature of Life (or) The Manner of Living (or) How to Live "The fearlessness must be formed in such a way that it is never foolhardy, rather simply in such a way that the grief, the hindrances and the difficulties, and so forth, are not avoided, so that from them it can be learnt - and also the cognition matures - that all life of any kind is bound together and requires the other and indeed extending beyond death. "If this cognition matures then intensive contemplation is engaged about the significance of death and dying which exhibits so many facets of the perishable. "This cognition in turn enables the human to draw full use from his life, as long as time allows this. "The use is the creation of further cognition, of knowledge, love, peace, wisdom and harmony and security, to be able to die without feeling regret, without having to reproach oneself for living life wrongly and having senselessly wasted it. "Therefore there is only the way of true evolution which says that life must be lived all the time and in every situation so correctly that neither in life nor in death does it evoke regret." --- From: --- http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/mei...l152.sww69.htm ~~~~~* ~~~~~* ~~~~~* ~~~~~* ~~~~~* ~~~~~* The act of dying is well known to all of us, though many refuse to face this in a realistic way. Reincarnation IS the true Reality. All that we learn in this life is stored in the Comprehensive Consciousness Block between the lives, and is accessible to our Spirit as we generate a new personality in the next incarnation. Nothing gained is ever lost. Then the meaning and purpose of THIS life is to learn what we may for the continued Evolution of our Spirits. When we find solutions to the problems of life, the lessons of living, these lessons do not need to be repeated again - we move on to new problems and new lessons. This is the path of Evolution - to evolve to greater and greater challenges for our continued growth in Spiritual Wisdom. The Ultimate Goal of all our lives => some 60- to 80-Billion years experienced in the Material worlds => is to re-unite again with Creation, from which our Spirits originate, along with all other Spirits which have been on all the different paths of their own Evolution. The ReUnion of Spirits come from everywhere in the Entire Universe. The *Purpose* for this is to bring the GIFT of our accumulated Knowledge, Love and Wisdom back to Creation. http://www.theyfly.com/ http://futureofmankind.co.uk/ http://us.figu.org/portal/Default.aspx http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi Peace * * ***** Last edited by J_rod7; 07-12-2009 at 01:25 AM.

07-12-2009, 12:46 AM	#6
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death "Therefore there is only the way of true evolution which says that life must be lived all the time and in every situation so correctly that neither in life nor in death does it evoke regret." I like this idea Jrod .. so true Thank you Loving kindness mudra Last edited by mudra; 07-12-2009 at 12:49 AM.

07-12-2009, 01:12 AM	#7
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: understanding death Physical death to me is failure to graduate from this earth school! The wheel of reincarnation is real alright, but its a limitation. Some of the holiest men on this earth have reincarnated over and over again and ego had nothing to do with it The Dali Lama is one example our earth has been in lock down till we learn the lessons we need to in order to go next level. But for some reason this time is going to be different . There will be a graduation this time

07-12-2009, 01:50 AM	#8
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: understanding death ***** * * Mudra, Thank you for opening this Thread. It is long overdue that Human Beings should realistically examine the ART of living and dying. This, in your opening statement, is a "wake-up call" for those still sleeping with their illusions...: "I am posting this thread because I feel that as much as we have to understand our relation to life it is as important to understand our relation to death for this is part of our existence. We should not wait for death to come to transcend it and come to the plain realization that we are immortal." Love and Blessings * * *****

07-12-2009, 01:57 AM	#9
J_rod7 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 301	Re: understanding death ***** * * . . Could the "tunnel" look like this?... . . Colors would be reversed, the center will be full of Bright, White Light * * *****

07-13-2009, 10:34 PM	#10
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death We will see when the time comes Jrod. I believe as Consciousness evolves and moves to a higher gear this time going through a tunnel won't be needed .As far as I can sense it these tunnels were part of the process of reincarnation . Graduating through the heart will leave no room for guilt feelings that one needs to make up for . This is how we will reach a new plane of existence. Loving kindness mudra

07-13-2009, 10:45 PM	#11
Angel in Disguise Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 364	Re: understanding death Dolores Cannon does a GREAT job of explaining death in 'Moving into a New Earth'... I can't find the link but it was an amazing description, one I resonate with greatly. I highly recommend it if you can find it

12-29-2009, 08:17 PM	#14
Céline Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,285	Re: understanding death my mother died Feb. 1st 2002 of complications from emphysema. She was diagnosed at 55 and died at 59. In those 4 years, we talk alot about death...and life. We shared more in those 4 years then we did in the 33 years before her death... The night she died, my sister and i were by her side...as she quietly took her last breath...that singular moment, those first few seconds of silence...reminded me of the first few seconds before my babies took their first breath... So... my mothers last breath...and my childrens first...created the same feeling, the same...pause... It is a gift i cherish...and was honored to be there and witness her last breath.

12-29-2009, 08:44 PM	#15
Greenlander Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Oslo/Norway Posts: 1	Re: understanding death Thank you all for this forum When my father died I realized how much I loved him. I believe that is one more reason why we have death, to realize how much we love the one we lose. Love Greenlander

12-29-2009, 10:55 PM	#17
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: understanding death I do not fear death at all. i do not want to say i welcome it either but certainly do not fear it, many fear leaving their families behind this is a human trait but we have many families in many past lives. Perhaps if we celebrated death the fear would not be so harsh perhaps celebrate is the wrong word but why fear something which is inevitable. Why be sad also lets embrace our moving on whether we choose to re incarnate or ascend. I will not be entering the tunnel or following the white light i will be looking out to the universe and joining back with the stars.

12-30-2009, 12:26 AM	#18
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death We as souls open the door of "life" , walk in and then forget that we actually did so . If we don't wake up to it while we are in there then when we leave it feels as if "life" is closing the door on us and we want to get back there .And so the cycles of birth and death go on until we fully realize our immortality ..our true essence beyond life and death.We are Life eternal .. Birth and death are just a room we visit on our journey and the purpose of the visit is to switch the Light on while being there so we don't stay stuck in the dark . Love Always mudra Last edited by mudra; 12-30-2009 at 12:34 AM.

12-30-2009, 12:38 AM	#19
Zeddo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 694	Re: understanding death I could wax lyrical, be long winded, quote many great sages, divest worthy paragraphs from learned people but this is what I have to say about life/death. There is an expression (or quote, if you prefer) that I hold to. I cannot remember where I read this because I was pre-teen when I did, and it goes something like this... "If I die knowing that my life benefited just one person, then I know my life has been worthwhile and a success". That is my creed, it is what I live by even though I tend to forget this more often than I remember. In closing, I know this will be my last time here. Love Light and Peace Z

12-30-2009, 12:46 AM	#20
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death I remember thinking something similar to you Zeddo. " If I manage to help awaken fully One person I'll be happy " Of course with these kind of thougts in mind you begin to help many . And by helping many .. finally you are helping yourself for you come to realize who you really are .. that you are Love and at the same time that you are ONE.. Seems you are going to leave a warm Light on on closing dear Zeddo Love Always mudra Last edited by mudra; 12-30-2009 at 12:54 AM.

12-30-2009, 03:45 AM	#22
Gnosis5 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,659	Re: understanding death It does not make sense to me how one could have experience without learning. But in my lifetimes reviews I sure did some stupid things, and for no good reason either. I had to make up a reason and I have not yet been able to find anything romantic or poetic about some of my existences, but I have come to love myself and others more and to be wiser in choosing my learning experiences and "fun" games. When my father died I realized there is a spirit reaction to death and there is a body reaction to death. The body (visceral) reaction felt strongest and contradicted the spirit response to death.

12-30-2009, 12:36 AM	#23
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death Realizations about Love are always important ones Greenlander as Love is your essence . When you learn about love you learn about you ...about who you really are. Love Always mudra

12-30-2009, 12:38 AM	#24
mudra Avalon Spiritual Mother Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: belgium Posts: 4,919	Re: understanding death It seems Céline that in all these cases you have been witness to .. your mother and your children .. these souls opened and closed the door of life gently Love Always mudra Last edited by mudra; 12-30-2009 at 12:54 AM.

01-06-2010, 02:31 AM	#25
mkspllmn Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 196	Re: understanding death Does it matter how it happens? Accident, disease, suicide? Does the method have any effect in what happens after or is death just death no matter how it happens?

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