I am calling out Dan Burisch

[Unified Serenity]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Well, the fact is that many many many respected scientist, in fact the VAST majority of the medical community and respected medical professionals in our world, believe vaccines are helpful and not harmful. Every single child that is born in North America is vaccinated soon after they are born.

Fact, you can avoid getting vaccinated or having your children vaccinated in all 50 states by declaring a religious objection to doing so. I did this at the health department for my children and received a nice blue form that I turned into any day cares and public schools. I never had a problem doing so. They lie to people by saying that you can't send your children to day cares or public schools if they are not vaccinated. SO, every child IS NOT vaccinated in North America.

Do you really think that doctors would go along with this if they believed vaccines are dangerous?

Yes I do as it was just proven that doctors get paid bonuses in the UK if they get 75% of children vaccinated and a bigger bonus if it is above 90%. Guess what? They have upped the vaccination rate! So, yes they will work harder to get the lil tykes vaccinated for money.

Another fact is that nurses and doctors get about 30 minutes to an hours instruction on the validity of vaccinations. That's their research time in medical school. Guess who gives the class? Usually a "scientist" from the pharm company. So, guess now if they are given an unbiased factual based lecture. Here is another bit of facts for you. Any research doctor who dares to do a double blind study or study of any kind into the dangers of vaccines loses their funding. Guess how many double blind studies have been done by American scientists here in America as to the danger of vaccines. As of my last count, none! Italy has actual medical scientists who have done the studies and have proven the dangers of the MMR, Rubella vaccines and their direct tie to Autism and Sudden Infant Death Syndrome. The UK even quit vaccinated children under 2 yrs at one point based on the SIDS research, and their SIDS rate dropped dramatically. Vaccines in babies can cause encephalitis (swelling of the brain) and thereby kill the child.

I have studied the issue of vaccines in depth since 1991 and have more factual study time than the average doctor or nurse by hundreds of hours. Yet, because I am not a doctor or nurse they take a knee jerk reaction that I am a kook and don't know a thing. I have even lost doctors for my children due to refusing to let them brow beat me into vaccinating them. They love to treat you like you are an idiot and endangering your child for such decisions, but I have not backed down. Sadly, my ex got them vaccinated a couple of years ago, and now I have to take measures to get the poisons out of their systems, but I got them all over the age of 8 before this happened, and for that I think I avoided much brain damage.

Yes, many are damaged and killed by vaccines. The diseases that are targeted by vaccines were already on the decline in N. America before the vaccines were made. They still vaccinate for Polio despite Salk requesting the vaccine be discontinued in N. America as every case here was directly linked to the vaccine after the 1980's. The rise in autism, ADHD, mental slowness has increased dramatically from 40 years ago. Many parents know something happened to their child, but can't figure out what happened. Many need to mourn the loss of the child that would have been, and move on with the child they have. I do believe if we get these poisons out of our children we an greatly improve their mental acuity.

So DB shares the opinion of the VAST majority of respected medical professionals and scientist on the planet.

Yes, that is true, but they also once believed leeching was the cure for everything and that there was no such thing as microbes. Once the truth was discovered they grew and took precautions when treating patients. The truth is out there about what's in vaccines and the outcome on immune systems and intelligence of those receiving vaccines, so why do they keep it up? Maybe because there is a reason to dumb down our kids, turn them into order obeying, non-thinking slaves.

Again though, vaccines are part of a much larger picture, everyone already gets vaccinated period. Yet we're still here having this chat, so they're not exactly pure death. Certainly it's possible that H1N1 vaccines could be more harmful than usual, but there is so much awareness around this that I very much doubt that they could sneak too much negative stuff in there without people testing it and finding out exactly what's in there.. so I personally don't think, at this point that the H1N1 vaccine, will necessarilly be so much more harmful than the other many many vaccines that are already out there and being given to billions of people.

You are assuming anyone in America does test those vaccines. Again, you can get out of being vaccinated if you take the right steps. Going from a strong healthy person to someone who is bedridden, mentally disabled, crippled is very devastating and for many of those people they wish they had just died. Just ask those in the military who are guinea pigs and end up a shell of who they once were. I don't think the H1N1 vaccine will cause a mass die off. I think it will make those with the genetic marker to the H1N1 ready to be infected when it is unleashed on the population. It's there to give them one flag to activate the full swine flu once they encounter it. I do think there is a definite agenda to kill off blacks and Hispanics. The American population could be targeted due to the whole independence viewpoint and why bother fighting us in the streets if they can just make us sick and die from a flu that they can say, "We warned you, but you didn't listen and didn't take the vaccine".

All in all, this is planned, and they see the whole chess board while we get to see see pieces and areas, but not the whole layout. No need to fear, but knowledge allows me to feel peace, and know more to make choices and respond to situations and not simply react like a sheep about to be slaughtered (easy to herd and kill).

[14 Chakras]

Unified Serenity, thanks for some of the info there, I'm not totally on the up and up about the laws around vaccines and such..

My personal feeling about the DB thing is that he is not part of this forum or community, vaccines has never been an issue for him, as Tone says, before Tone bothered to research them recently he thought they were fine.

I think DB was in the category of those who thought they were fine. He was blindsided by this question about vaccines at the conference, had really no ideas of the negative effects, and basically said he thought they were fine. Then he said he would do some research to confirm.

Now the fact is DB has an ego thing going on. He publicly states they are fine. So when he goes and does research, do you think he is going to seek out information that validates or dis-validates his public statement? It's exactly the same as when you take this info to a scientist or a doctor, they are going to look for info that makes vaccines appear safe to validate their own ego and opinion. It's EASY to find stuff that does validate vaccines and that's what DB finds and states.

Now in large part because he did that, everything he's said is getting written off, even though none of his work had anything to do with vaccines and he probably shouldn't have even been asked about them because he is not some kind of guru who knows stuff out of his line of experience. He doesn't.

I don't have answers for the student loan stuff but 15K loan for a PHD is like one or two semesters, not a whole education. Obviously he wasn't full time with Magi and if he says he was full time, that's a hole in his story that he'll need to explain.

Personally, I think DB probably spruced up his resume even to himself to appear better to himself and others. It doesn't mean Maji stuff never occured. That's my opinion.

One last thing about vaccines. Polio used to be a big problem before polio vaccines and there are other types of diseases from what I understand that have been stopped in their tracks from vaccines. I don't think vaccines are necessary or safe in our world, however, I do think they have served a legitimate purpose at times historically speaking.

The way it works however, is that diseases exist in the first place due to karmic misuse of energy by the people. They are wake up calls for people to change their way of being. When you fix things from a material perspective, the karma that created the disease, now needs to express itself in another way. That's the door the PTB have to put some mercury into these things and whatever else to get people with the backdoor. Whenever you solve something with a strictly material solution rather than solving the consciousness problem that is creating the karma that expresses itself as the problem in the first place, then you are always going to have a backside to the solution that is going to cause another problem in another way. That's cosmic law.

Basically, you can't solve a problem from the same level of consciousness that created the problem in the first place.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

One last thing about vaccines. Polio used to be a big problem before polio vaccines and there are other types of diseases from what I understand that have been stopped in their tracks from vaccines. I don't think vaccines are necessary or safe in our world, however, I do think they have served a legitimate purpose at times historically speaking.

This is a big lie we have been force fed.
Virus pandemics self limit and then extinguish.
Polio was in a huge decline before the vaccine.
And there's a lot more to that story ...

http://www.vaccinetruth.org/polio_chart.htm

[Karen]

We have been lied to about the savior effect of vaccines.

Pertussus (whooping cough)
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/pertussis.htm
Again notice the decline of 80% before the vaccine was introduced.

Measles
http://www.vaccinetruth.org/measles_chart.htm

[Unified Serenity]

Karen, this is exactly why I have zero trust in the AMA and Pharm companies. Vaccines do not save us, but they do compromise our immune systems and nervous systems. Look at the skyrocketing diseases that have appeared in the past 45 years.

Look at the cost in lost human potential and the ability to think for ourselves. It's all about money and power, and anyone who plays along with them is carrying a heavy load for what they have done. Is DB evil? I don't think so, but I do think he is wrong on vaccines.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Originally Posted by Unified Serenity

Yes I do as it was just proven that doctors get paid bonuses in the UK if they get 75% of children vaccinated and a bigger bonus if it is above 90%. Guess what? They have upped the vaccination rate! So, yes they will work harder to get the lil tykes vaccinated for money.

Yes it was my post here...

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15690

I was a Zurich and my intuition was flashing in my head "BS" throughout the whole 2 hour DB discussion on Friday especially when she started talking about CO2 and global warming. And then to steer the whole discussion in the group talk about vacines I feel I wasted ~4 hours of my life. I cost me considerable time and money to get t Zurich from the UK and that part was a complete waste of my time.

I did however meet some wonderful people when I was there and recently at the Amsterdam 1 day conference but other than the meeting and discussing these things with like minds I didn't get a whole lot from the conference. The David Willcox lecture was great but even his comments about weather control and chemtrails didn't ring true either (for me)... SO I suppose with all of this you need to make sure your own truth meter is working...

[Hiram]

DB insistence on control of information is unsettling. When teamed up together DB and MB behave in a strange way, so it does not surprise me that people BullS*#t detectors were going off.

My opinion is that he has had some genuine experience, but that fascinatingly enough, he and MB continue to manufacture their new interactions for notoriety.

I know this is a bold claim, and I used to really entertain all that he said. I just find it so unlikely that this person seems to be personally involved in almost any UFO related topic you can bring up...and all the Gordon Novel stuff....what is the point of that? What are you trying to prove?

It takes a lot for me to say things like this because I strongly believe in giving everyone a fair chance to tell their story.

I encourage everyone here to use their best discernment when listening to these witnesses.

Perhaps I am feeling him out incorrectly?

[Unified Serenity]

Originally Posted by Connecting with Sauce

Yes it was my post here...

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15690

I cost me considerable time and money to get t Zurich from the UK and that part was a complete waste of my time.

I did however meet some wonderful people when I was there and recently at the Amsterdam 1 day conference but other than the meeting and discussing these things with like minds I didn't get a whole lot from the conference. The David Willcox lecture was great but even his comments about weather control and chemtrails didn't ring true either (for me)... SO I suppose with all of this you need to make sure your own truth meter is working...

I guess I am kind of glad I don't have the money to waste on a trip like that. I would love to go to LA to one of Kerry's events, but then again it costs some to travel from FL to LA. I would value the opportunity to meet others face to face and share information as I do believe that some people will share more that way than online where there is a permanent record so to speak. Yes, I agree in hearing people out, but keep one's radar operating at top speed as there are quite a few who like to dress things up beyond their real experiences.

I'd love to have a conference in the South East US for those of us willing to attend and give of our time, but not wishing to spend thousands to do so. Then again, that's sort of what ground crews are for, and it would be great to have one near me. So far not much luck on the requests I have made for local or regional contacts. Hmmm, maybe it's me, lol. C'est la vie!

[tone3jaguar]

I could not resist, I know this is beating the dead horse with a slege hammer. I just visited the Eagles Disobey wanna-be web site and found that Dan Burish is backing up his rediculousness with a topping of ludicrous.

There is so much B.S. up there on his web site that I do not even know where to start. Oh I know I will start with how he has decided to bash his “friend” David Wilcock. I made the call back when Burisch came out with his researched conclusions that injecting Merucury, Ether, Aluminum and what ever else is in a vaccination that his trip to never never land was going to come back to haunt David Wilcock. To be clear I like David, and that is why this is so ludicrous. I think Dan is off of his meds.

From the Eagles Disobey Web Page

DW has an interesting way to view it......most people observed Dan diffuse the problem in Zurich hat had been set up as a staged event*- a problem primed and ready to go the moment that the vaccine question was brought up.* This is the same guy that tells people how to achieve ascention, and ladles out the pablum on stage, while privately calling women "ho's with crack babies.... (his quote from email "we still need to settle our account for the conference fee as well, and I really don’t want to send bank account info by electronic means other than a fax machine, as I wrote Rxxx... so let’s expedite that process as I’ve got to feed my eight crack babies from these eight different ho’s........."**
*This was right on the heels of the Barcelona conference ending and certainly sounds like he's been waiting a while waiting for pay. The Barcelona conference was NOT a Proj. "C" conference, but the Zurich conferencewas, and that has been established in their own advertisements, prior to an apparent attempt by them to 'cover up' such a relationship.*
He was paid, but not the Eagles. Oh, yea..... that's right, the Eagles feed the homeless. That took care of that.*
........ and then defines himself as a "chicken****".

Then there are the delusions about Bill Ryan

*

But what really happened in Zurich?**
And what happened after the incident?

What prompted the conference organizer to later write Dan*saying: "If you do not trust me for any reason, then all is lost."*
What is lost? Their sacrificial lamb?** Well, we've got news for them, the Eagles are not going to be served up on the 'half-shell' for them, or for anybody else.*

Imagine (given the clever maneuvering of the vaccine question into the panel discussion, and the publicity generating firestorm it created) ....* imagine what the Eagles would have been walking into if they were*still*willing to go to the L.A. conference?**

No....*The answer is*Absolutely No.**What do they think - that*the Eagles went through all those*years of education and managed to survive the hard crucible of experience with*Majestic, without being able to recognize a*bungled*attempt to manipulate public opinion*at their expense?* Publicity at any price,*is that it?* The Eagles have sharp eyes - they get it - theconference organizers*don't care if they endanger their guest-speakers, as long as they get a few more dollars at the gate?**Right?

No, Wrong.***

Then there is the conspiracy he has invented about where Camelot gets its funding

WHO'S YOUR DADDY?* Everybody is asking the question:* Where does* Proj "C" get the money to jet all over the world.*Donations? (sure...... or is it something else?) To read the expose,

Then you click on the link and you get this

Exposee on Zurich Part 2

Who's Your Daddy????*


WE KNOW.*
http://www.projectcamelot.org/*
"9 August 2009 •**

"*"COINTELPRO"*is the FBI acronym for a series of covert action programs directed against domestic groups. In these programs, the Bureau went beyond the collection of intelligence to secret action defined to "disrupt" and "neutralize" target groups and individuals. The techniques were adopted wholesale from wartime counterintelligence." -- the 1975 Church Committee
*Stan:** We are as you are more than likely well aware now in the throes of quasi covert U.S. Government funding of our gravity/TIME Control program and with the lead of some ten experimental power/propulsion design concepts being developed concurrently around our patent pending circular universal ARV plan form also being used IMHO to propel Majic's black reputed "Solar Warden" deep space triangles. We are also now into a preliminary cut and bend on this consortium developed program based on reverse engineering of the ARV plan form. We strictly do not intimidate as you are already well aware.*

We could have long ago taken an offensive posture against identified but innocent MJ targets of opportunity but that would have made a future diplomatic rapprochement with Majic impossible once the serious and dangerous to all tit for tat back and forth commenced.*

Grin and bear it was the decided policy which RP will tell you was my personal policy decision as I was obviously the primary target of Majic's disruptive*COINTELPRO*and PsyOps focused activities.*

Much of my intercepted aggressive vocal and e-mail posturing was only intended to deter such unnecessary dumb aggressions...*
Gordon Nxxxxxxxxx"

UNSTABLE OR HIDING SOMETHING?*

IS IT MORE LIKELY SOME DEEP DARK COINTELPRO*ON OUR SIDE, OR THAT SOMEONE'S FINGERS HAVE BEEN CAUGHT IN THE COOKIE JAR?????????*

HERE IS WHAT WAS SENT TO EAGLES DISOBEY AND A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE:

He also now has a page where he “exposes” what really happened at Baxter Parmeceuticals where he justifies the avian flu contamination as human error.

"Okay...there has been some speculation about Baxter, and much of the truth about the real connection with Zurich is now posted in the Hideaway, by Stan. The great Zurich uprising about Baxter is nonexistent. It is true they made some errors, errors which I deplore, and the truth is...

Most of the truth of the matter can be found in WIKIPEDIA!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baxter_International
http://www.answers.com/topic/baxter-international-inc

First of all, I am neither an apologist for Baxter, nor do I condone all their actions. I never said I did, but a few were busy being loud. Baxter is a greedy company with a serious record of quality control problems, and some poor management decisions. Those issues of greed are not something with which I am willing to really deal, as in parsing money deals for the public, save that no decision should compromise the public's health. When I say the public's health, I wonder if people know what I mean? I mean, where ever possible individually, but certainly never over the population. With all products, some adverse reactions occur, but the medical science we now have is the best we have! They, and even we, are trying to make it better.

[Tango]

This is for all of 'us' on the thread... we, could all say these words to DC...

L00KS like its goin into in this thread... So, I think its a fitting...



Just, imagine 'You' saying these words with ME standing right there next to you.

Trooly,


Tango

[TRANCOSO]

You know what? Somebody (could be anybody) was so fed up with Dan Burisch's whistleblowing, that he (they?) dropped a whole lot of acid in Dan B.'s drink & ever since (Uncle) Dan, as we knew him, became a different Dan. A NOT Dan, so to speak.
Let us all pray
that one day
Dan becomes Dan
again.
And if not, God doesn't exist.
Deal?

[Karen]

Let's sing it one more time - with a little harmonica at the end.

[tone3jaguar]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

You know what? Somebody (could be anybody) was so fed up with Dan Burisch's whistleblowing, that he (they?) dropped a whole lot of acid in Dan B.'s drink & ever since (Uncle) Dan, as we knew him, became a different Dan. A NOT Dan, so to speak.
Let us all pray
that one day
Dan becomes Dan
again.
And if not, God doesn't exist.
Deal?

Acid wears off and only makes you crazy if you where already on the edge before you took it.

[Tango]

Thanks, Karen... That was C00L....

Welll Now.... Let's put a little Stink on it...[this is for viewers on the Thread]

" She came from somewhere, back, long Ago "

" what he felt had to be created, He never 'made Up' things Right, What a F00L Believes"

" can You see, The WISE man has a Problem; Un reasonably; What seems-- to be "

" He's always scared of noth'n; noth'n at alll, He keeps tell'n it-- Somewhere back N' his Long Ago "

N' everyone needs a little dirty SAX at the end....





Kenny Loggins and Michael McDonald describe the friendship between KC & DC.

Just listen to the Words, then it becomes very clear... 'From the Redwoods.'

Sometimes, things just fit together, Just Right. Look @the words abv as it plays...

Verry trooly,



Tango

" Dancing in the Redwoods "