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Oh my God... what have all you people been smoking!!!!!!
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() If Kerry wants to interview someone her way and no one likes her style then who gives a shft. Actually, go start your own project and interview people!!!!! Project Camelot and Project Avalon are private ventures, take what you like and leave the rest. I want to hear about everyone of you interviewing people and posting videos of that interview for the whole world to see... Please be sure and start a dedicated thread just for your interview and maintain an open dialogue for us to post on. Kerry can learn her own lessons or gain great strides in unfolding her own personal potential!!!! ![]() OR Everyone here knows where the door is and don't let it hit you too hard on the way out!!!!! Last edited by Christo888; 08-13-2009 at 02:49 PM. |
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Bravo 888
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Hi Christo888,
Although your comments in principle are right, the situation isn't that cut and dry in this case. I'm not too sure that most of the comments here are a complaint against a 'company' as such, but more of a dissapointment of a perception. Bill and Kerry have been known to interview people to get their voice out. Listening to the Mr. Xs of this world, or giving space to Dan Burisch, George Green in fact have a whole host of interviews of the 'traditional' opinion makers and so called 'whistleblowers'. It is this flavour, for want of a better word, that the followers of Camelot have come to be familiar. Recently, however, there appears to be two things happening. Firstly, ambiguous interviews being made, like the one of the woman who claimed to be a military nurse and had important new information about 9 / 11 where she couldn't give not one clear detail about where she got the 'information' from, or this recent interview about to be published with Pete Peterson, who states that "some abductee implant technology is definitely "not from anyone I know of here on this planet".". I mean from this quote I can only assume that this guy knows everybody on this planet, or if he doesn't he at least knows everybody who is giving abductee implants away. This sort of thing tends to drive people away. Secondly, the calling out of a respected (love him or hate him) member of one of the higher level UFO type person kind of thing was a definite no no. It seems to be the mode these days that the Camelot site has been involved in these sort of things. Camelot was never like this. I think to make a video interview and then having to make a one hour explanation in a radio broadcast as to justify how the interview was conducted must surely mean that the interview was not one of the most clear nor successful. The Greer interview was only part of a few, for me, strange actions from Kerry over the last few weeks - when I say strange, I don't mean freaky or wierd, but actions that I wouldn't have expected. So, I'm not sure that people are complaining of the service as such, so much so that if the service was always bad there would be no customers, but the contrast of what they have come to accept as the norm and what has been going on recently. Best regards, Steve |
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It seems to me that Kerry’s interviewing “style” or “method” involves making lateral jumps to whatever seems (to her) the most important. I say that’s using true logic, as distinct from the “textbook logic” of being systematic and very “rational”. By “true logic” I mean putting what’s important first – putting first things first. Usually, Kerry manages to get disclosure of some of the most important details by doing this. And we greatly appreciate her for that, when it works. I’m not sure if she did that much with Greer, though. Certainly, it looks like she could have gotten more by being considerably more detached from her personality and ego in this case. Also, surely it's obvious that the overall "frame" of an interview/etc should be rationally and coolly defined beforehand. It shouldn't be a frame of "I know I'm right". Any interview/etc only brings useful info from the interviewee to the extent to which the interviewer truly listens to whatever they are saying.
It would be great to have a long video of Kerry and Greer with a truly “neutral” moderator (referee?), and with the agreement that that moderator has the power at any point to interrupt and insist that K or G has to rephrase a comment or a point or a question in what the moderator considers a “fairer” way. |
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I think Steva A and MyPlanet2 first posts summarizes it best. I only want to add the following, because this has blunder written all over it.
Kerry, Let's begin with this second interview which was indeed damage control. However, unbeknownst to you, more damage was done with this interview and the main reason why is because you de-valued your base with it's content. An absolute no-no, is to never say to those (supporters) whom made your original initiative become what it is today to stop watching, or frequent other venues elsewhere if we disagree or want formats that makes us comfortable. I can assure you, that is a blunder that will bite you and it will usually come from those watching, but seldomly express/post via these forums. They will choose to express in silent ways. Your whistleblowers and others in the field can be in awe of you as much as they desire, but they or their message will have no value (along with Camelot) if no one is listening. It's not "entirely" about one person or style when you are reaching out to the public for the public. This cannot be defended, and for those "defenders" out there, withdraw your weapons, for through these eyes, the enemy is your own reflection. I mentioned in my first post via the original thread that the next most professional step was to take a high road and/or apology to your supporters, instead the opposite logic was applied. The decision to make it a point to acknowledge the Disclosure Project staff offering PC an apology for their misjudgements, further accentuated their experience compared to PC's. I'm not saying that they don't have some question marks but they don't seem to be amassing as many asterisks either. What each of us need to remember to ask while listening to all these interviews, websites, radioshows is...Are we getting any closer to Disclosure? “It is time to move beyond the continuation of information that could be fresh off the Area 51 water cooler. After all, what is that going to accomplish? Outside of us knowing some new fantastic truth (maybe) that most of us may never see, feel, hear or touch?” Unless it's real time info (like H5n1, economy) or something that is definitely going to impact us, the messages become mundane. There are many strides and changes as Karen intimated via this thread that needs to occur and I hope this is the case. There is new territory such as state to state mobilization (e.g Park Rally's), colleges/students and university media outlets. The multiple disclosure platforms are starting to go in circles with Jerry Springer standing in the middle, and we as supporters need to expect more (including from ourselves), and not be awed or trapped by their information or effort. Create a new paradigm for Disclosure. |
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Kerry could learn from Larry King.
Larry said one of the most notable things he learned in his broadcasting career, is to never offend the person you are interviewing... or you will quickly find out you can't get the information you want out of the interview. Aftermath of Kerry's style will show up in other ways. Such as this very forum, where membership has dropped so significantly in the past year. |
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In order to get to the truth, those who are the most 'respected' will need to be challenged and called out that's for sure.
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But he's logical. And the higher/multi/extra dimensional allusions he made were also resonant with my understanding coming from the same place of perception. I think Greer gets it, largely. I don't personally need anything he has on offer. I'm comfortable with my understanding of what's going on and what has gone on. I think also that Greer is so used to having to account for what he says in linear terms of proof, evidence, show me, does that agree with others, etc., that he would have a hard time switching his presentation gears for a less restricted audience. But the main point for me, is that Greer was trying to say something which may have been useful to many, and since many were waiting to see what he would say, he should have been given the chance to say it, even if he did painfully drag it out, and distracted some with his trowser snake, and other loud body language. He didn't look particularly comfortable in that setting, even with out Kerry rubbing sticks together to get the caldron going. ![]() |
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Ah well I can get past it and I hope the rest of you readers can too. This is not Hollywood dreamworks studios. Holly Wood sticks was what the occultist magicians used to make magic wands from to cast spells on people. This is humans waking up from a deep slumber to take their planet back from an evil force hiding in the dark using deception and trickery to enslave an entire planet into a matrix. The statement that there are no hostile ET's is very bold and deserves some attention. Even if it means talking over loud body language in an awkward set up. Perhaps Mr. Greer would also like to set the record straight and arrange a second more professional interview to disclose. Maybe he just wants to talk to governments all day I don't know and i don't care. The government is still defunct for all their lies. Just because they want to disclose now dose not mean that I am going to give them any authority over me. The people of earth have forgotten what freedom is. I got my shift together! ![]() Respect, JT |
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I do however want to comment on this statement: "This is humans waking up from a deep slumber to take their planet back from an evil force hiding in the dark using deception and trickery to enslave an entire planet into a matrix." I'm with you as far as "This is humans waking up from a deep slumber..." - The rest I myself take as bold an needing of some attention. That is 100% a matter of from where one views. In 3D reality, there is no arguing it. In 5TH and above, there is no possibility of it. (4TH is just the dressing room for 5TH and above) The last wave in support of our planetary shift, has given me the push I needed to cross the 3D threshold. I'm no longer primarily a 3D critter. I'm more than half out of this soup. I'm not saying I'm better than anyone, or even good, or even not an A**hole. I'm not saying anything except stating the fact that the available energies have made it possible for me to recognize my existence beyond 3D. And it changes everything in how you view reality. There is only one place where the idea of anybody doing anything TO anyone else is possible, and that's 3D. That idea can't exist in higher dimensions. 3D is the only playground for polarity. In higher dimensions, it means something completely different, and at the highest, all is one, and loving unity is all there is, even if simultaneous play at lower levels of existence can be experienced and viewed as separate (and opposed). What I was happy to hear, and what I wished to hear more about from Greer, is what lead him to his conclusions about the non-polarized existence beyond. That good and bad were anthropocentric projections (true) and that unconditional love was our ticket outta here. That was unfortunately lost in the stampede. |
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On the one hand, we have the most knowledgeable ET experts, such as Dr Steven Greer and Dr Richard Boylan, plus some of PC’s most reliable witnesses, including Bob Dean and Arthur Neumann (Henry Deacon). They all categorically state – do they not? -- that they know for a fact that all the ET visitors are benevolent – with perhaps the exception of ones who are human (maybe from the future or possible future?) or else strictly human creations such as PLFs, or demonic entities summoned in by humans. On the other hand, we have the recent video clip from Pete Peterson. He certainly doesn’t say for sure that he knows any of them are hostile. So what does he say? He says that if we trust Linda Moulton-Howe’s word for it, then some of them must be hostile.
I’m sure Ms Moulton-Howe has done some very good and thorough research over the years. However, with all due respect personally I happen to have some possible reservations regarding what implicit belief system somebody might perhaps have who starts a thread entitled: Alien Abductions Stopped by the name of Jesus Christ? Even with the question mark at the end, I may have reservations. This is because I have some experience many years ago of carrying out what could be called exorcisms. Since I’m a natural psychic healer, I thought an extension of this was to “do exorcisms” kind of in imitation of what Jesus was said to have done in the Bible. So I do have some past experience of getting rid of demonic entities etc. (Though today I would insist on using psychotherapy.) One thing I discovered, for instance, was that the name of Jesus Christ only works with those entities who themselves believe in Jesus Christ. Others who have done exorcisms have made the same discovery, among others. There are two areas which I believe Richard Dolan didn’t mention during his radio interview last week. One is that of the existence of intergalactic governments. I don’t understand how a researcher like him would fail to deduce that they must exist, and that they exercise power benevolently. Then again, I haven’t read his book yet. It seems to me the evidence is quite overwhelming that they do exist. Related to this is the high probability that some of the benevolent ET visitors act like a police force to enforce the quarantine on this planet and to ensure the hostile ones stay out or get evicted. (I believe I know there are far more benevolent entities – many of them not in physical form – than there are humans living on the planet. Think of how ultra-thorough, how organised, that implies they must be, given that they’re all super-intelligent, and super-evolved spiritually.) The second area Richard Dolan didn’t mention in his interview was knowledge gained by direct telepathy or clairvoyance. OK, I do appreciate that only about 5% or 10% of professional clairvoyants and of chanellers are accurate. The rest provide information which overall is totally unreliable. That's a fact! But I’m told by the most accurate psychics that I fall into that 5 to 10%, for example. So people like me do also have a different means for uncovering what is the truth. Actually, I believe intergalactic law would give humans from future timelines, even from possible future timelines, some strictly limited permission to entangle themselves with us humans now. That’s under extreme circumstances, such as if their biological survival was in dire threat. But the intergalactic governments and the guardian angels would give this extra attention and policing. It’s could only become a problem because of actions by humans. Those humans – or, rather, their policies -- are the problem, not the ETs. “The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars but in ourselves.” -- Shakespeare |
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http://www.worldpuja.org/archives/2009-08-14/ "Angels don't need flying saucers, and for that matter, neither do demons." "Who benefits from the fear and the hatred that is generated from that fear?" "We have to be better than that and find a new way of thinking." "Stay in a positive frame of mind. Question the agendas that are making this kind of fear and division." Greer goes into considerable detail on why he thinks there are no hostile ETs, but admits repeatedly that there is no way to prove it. He talks at length about programs designed to create the good ET/bad ET mindset in the population as the basis for establishing a planetary military government in order to go to war in space. Much more. Well worth a listen by anyone interested in the good ET/bad ET issue. Last edited by Jnana; 08-14-2009 at 03:24 PM. |
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14 Chakras, those were just some random quotes I pulled out of the interview to give people an idea of what's in it. They weren't meant to be any kind of point-by-point summary of the presentation, nor is it my job to defend them. I'll let the presentation speak for itself.
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The reason he wanted to be interviewed was because of what Kerry said in the blog. He wanted to counter her comments with HIS truth, and he or his organization which for all purposes represents his thinking have apparently not been positive about PC. Thus, anyone who was in the know of what had gone on (and wanted answers) should have expected a chat about 'good vs. bad' idea of ET's. And that is what we got. Greer definitely got to share why he thinks all ET's are good, his philosophy, and say he did not like his ideas being called insidious. Kerry managed to interject questions when she could over talk him enough to make him listen for 20 or 30 seconds and respond to her questions. I agree with the person who said that when you are speaking with someone you can tell when they want to say something, and to just keep on talking sets them up to have to interrupt you. For psy-ops Greer did a good job at making PC look bad. Greer appeared condescending towards PC to me, showed no respect for Kerry or Bill, and I doubt he ever plans to be interviewed by PC again. He can easily say, "Look what happened the last time....." and not have to face tough questions. If someone is going to put themselves out there as some high up government contact counselor then they should expect to be questioned directly without a lot of butt kissing. I don't know if Kerry meant to look so powerless and Horshack like to get his attention, but if so she did a good job. I would have done it much differently, but then again, I don't have my own show and I am not spending money chasing these people down and interviewing them. I am greatful for those who are. |
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I guess I like the idea of having an internal World War III of conflicting concepts...and then formulating simple and polite questions which cause the person being interviewed to reveal as much as possible. If they are hiding something or doing something improper...let them hang themselves...rather than lynching them...figuratively speaking.
Leading people down the primrose path can be just as dangerous as fear mongering. Just tell people the truth in a tactful and balanced manner. Is 'national security' really 'alien nation security'...rather than our security...much of the time? The people need to be told the truth about everything...even if the facts are highly upsetting and depressing. My guess is that the full truth about ufo's/aliens/spirits/etc will be difficult to deal with. It seems as though we are in an introductory disclosure phase at this time. What we have been exposed to thus far would have to have been authorized by some very high level PTB types...I would think. They are probably carefully watching the reactions/responses around the globe...to determine how to proceed with further disclosure...which will most likely continue to be unofficial. Camelot and Avalon are a significant part of this process...I would think. Official statements will probably be spin and damage control. Just my hunch. I could be very wrong. No one...not even corrupt elites...want to be slaves of an alien race. I keep thinking that a lot of them are in over their heads...and are in to this thing way too deep...and want to bail...but don't know how. I'm waiting for a discussion of 'Rich ET/Poor ET'. Who's your daddy? Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 08-14-2009 at 09:33 PM. |
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I just finished listening to the radio address and I thought it was a fair response from both Bill and Kerry.
Everything Kerry said about Greer in the radio address should also apply to Camelot, because the fact is none of us really know 100% one way or the other if a hidden agenda is in play from either party. This is the view I have always taken when watching this stuff, I guess this is why I don't get so emotional over the latest interview. I don't consider Kerry's method as a style so much, and this is why I have always enjoyed many of the camelot videos. Camelot is unconventional and I always felt a more down to earth quality in the videos then the typically farmed feel you get from pretty much anywhere else. I think the ones who disagree with this latest interview are voicing their opinions much more then the ones who have no problem with it. If I were to bet, I would place my money on the belief that the majority of people enjoyed the interview. No offense francie but if I may make an observation, it seems to me you and others have jumped from one pole to the other concerning your personally views with Camelot, passing straight over the balanced viewpoint that exists in the center. There are more people then you give credit for that will not allow themselves to be so easily steered down a false direction as you seem to think. Maybe Kerry is right and Greer really is working for the greys, does anyone know for sure? Can you prove it one way or the other? Maybe the opposite is true, its important to not take one side or the other until we can prove it 100%. Oh what a great game we are all playing here on Earth, that is one thing I do know. ![]() Quote:
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Why ?
It is fine to make the observations, but when it descends into a circular argument what is acheived? I see your point of view (can't avoid it ![]() I don't think anyone will be changing Kerry by lobbying any time soon. Whether it be right or wrong is not the point. I think Myplanet2 said it well earlier except I don't see PC/PA collapsing - just changing. It has done that since its inception. A.. |
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Right, absolutely, it is not a one time incident. It is a pattern for which she has received constant "constructive" criticism. I think, but I could be wrong, Kerry and Bill used the 2 hours of this radio program to try to put to rest the idea that any outside influence is going to make Kerry change her - how about "method." It was very plain and clear - it's not going to happen, and I've heard her say many times in various situations, in essence, if you don't like it, leave. OK, now I get it - I was asking in mod chat if anyone knew the backstory to the attitude of your postings. It's about "protecting" the kind and tender hearts from the wounding (or what would you call it, betrayal?) that you felt. Yes, I used to try to do that too. But then I realized, the very best lessons I have ever learned were from making my own decisions about where to go and who to believe, etc. and then finding out I'd been tricked or abused or whatever. Nobody can tell you from their "bad" experiences what you learn from actually experiencing it yourself. These "bad" and truly horrific, from my viewpoint, life experiences, when I turned around and looked back on them were the biggest steps "upward" in my entire life. I thought - wow - why do you, Karen, want to protect people from learning their best life lessons that they came here to learn? Who do you think you are to try to deprive people of that? Karen |
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Greer has provided funding to a number of inventors initially thought to be promising who have failed to produce results. I don't think their criteria for deciding who to fund have worked very well. Most of the inventors have a poor understanding of why what they did works, and can't produce new versions with reproducable plans because they don't understand why the old one worked. The inventors tend to be difficult to work with. There are a number of inventors who won't work with Greer because of legal aspects of the contracts he wants them to work under. Besides which, it's a difficult problem to solve in the first place. I think Greer has sunk a lot of time, money, and effort into this, and has thought a lot about how to get the invention out to the world if one of the inventors ever succedes. It's not just a matter of getting something to work a little bit. Greer won't go public until he has a proven reproducable device with a useful energy output.
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