We are not one!

Vidya Moksha · 08-31-2009, 04:26 PM

I concur Dagon. My posts were aimed initially at what seemed to be tired old dogma, peddled out without personal experience or awareness. Mixed with a dose of current disinformed propaganda and lack of real environmental awareness. I think awareness and a conscious choice is the answer. And its immoral to impose morals onto someone else, its your life choice and no one elses, we are all ultimately accountable (and to ourselves most likely) for what we do.
I was also waiting for someone who could see auras to comment, many people who do see them wouldnt touch processed fast foods just for the aura they give off.

14 Chakras · 08-31-2009, 04:50 PM

Heaven has not come to earth yet. It's not about following some outer set of rules to make that happen. It's about remembering who we are.

It's true that heavy meats can interfere with people's spiritual awakening, and it is ideal to avoid them.

However, people are not animals, human beings are sons and daughters of God. It's true. It's that simple. As long as we believe we're just evolved animals, we'll be kept out of the kingdom of heaven within us.

Animal's generally have an oversoul, meaning, they do not each have an individual soul (generally speaking).

Some species are far more developed spiritually than others, like dolphins. Some pets have individual consciousness, but most don't. They are part of the greater animal spirit.

For example, grizzly bears are emanations of the grizzly bear over soul, most dogs are emanations of the dog over soul (but not all, some are elementals), when they die they simply go back into the greater over soul they are a part of behind the scenes of this world. Same goes for 99%+ of animals on planet earth.

Human beings on the other hand, have three fold flames in our hearts and soul matrix's. We are the reason planet earth exist and we are here to be reborn into the reality of who we are as individualization's of the infinite, co-creators with it.

Animal spirits, and elementals that inhabit animals from time to time, evolve spiritually when they provide a service to humans. Eventually, those who excel, will earn their three fold flames and from there, they can earn life eternal when they have the true realization of Self that we are here to have happen within us Now.

In the future, people will no longer eat meat. But again, it's not about following outer rules to get us into that more symbiotic future, it's about shifting our own consciousness to awaken to the divinity within us.

That being said, if we are guided to promote vegetarianism this is a good thing! What do you think about taking an approach of promoting an "Alkaline diet" because this alone will protect us very well from viruses, disease and sickness?

Do we think comparing people to animals is a correct approach? Isn't it possible this will lead us to being further trapped in our illusions of worthlessness and powerlessness as the elite steam role us with their plots, plans and conspiracies?

We must awaken to the divine loving intelligence and God power, wisdom and love within us in order to raise up our planet.

RedeZra · 08-31-2009, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vidya Moksha

...I think awareness and a conscious choice is the answer. And its immoral to impose morals onto someone else, its your life choice and no one elses, we are all ultimately accountable (and to ourselves most likely) for what we do...

What is common sense for one is nonsense for another

So be it

We cannot come to agree all of us on everything

Let each follow the desires of the heart and the dictates of the mind

It is impossible to deviate much from ones own nature

But inasmuch as I speak it is only words that stumble from my mouth

Christo888 · 09-01-2009, 05:23 AM

Holy Cow!!!!

This thread has a few bones to pick!!!

But cerealsly,

Eating LSD loaded grains I bet is pretty trippy for some, especially when the man-made planetary microwave systems resonate within your conscious thoughts and nightly dreams to evoke false assurances of eutopia.

And I can see that sometimes evolved complex alkaline rich plants have to be sacrificed in order to kill cancers in the body... poor cancer has to be killed.

I wonder if there is a reward for good plants that do good deeds such as these?

I bet it would be cool to be a Shaman and have the plants talk to you and give you answers to age old questions, and complex mathematical formulas, and recipes for medicines to heal and cure diseases you can probably even see faces within them as they all take on certain characteristics of consciousness...

Or to be an Animal Whisperer and learn the emotions of your pets and hear the lives and Camaraderie of penned livestock and beasts of the field living in the wild running free and sovereign and how they forage and hunt for their next meal or starve to death...

Even to swim within the presence of schools of fish all turning and spinning in synchronicity into a bait ball meal for the Godly higher consciousness, highly evolved dolphin and whale spirits even the seals and tabooed gods of the other worlds disembodied and living in the great man-eating sharks...

But ohhhh to soar with the majestic eagles and spirit hawks hovering over all the land, watching and protecting as great spirits of heaven in all regions of the world swooping down to slice a snakes head off or pick up a mother/pregnant rabbit for a quick meal before pictures are taken for all of us to appreciate and worship the beauty of Gods wonderful creations of flight...

****,

now what can I eat... dirt! ... oh wait that grows plants and has minerals in it which radiate and conduct electromagnetism to help animate life... Mother Earth is that you?

Hungry anyone?

Christo888 · 09-01-2009, 05:36 AM

So my real question is... are Shamans meat eaters and Beast Masters vegetarians?

And do Noble Beings have an Ego?

09-01-2009, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Christo888

But ohhhh to soar with the majestic eagles and spirit hawks hovering over all the land, watching and protecting as great spirits of heaven in all regions of the world swooping down to slice a snakes head off or pick up a mother/pregnant rabbit for a quick meal before pictures are taken for all of us to appreciate and worship the beauty of Gods wonderful creations of flight...

Hungry anyone?

Hi Christo - Actually, no, not hungry, but I just ate (feta cheese sandwich on old country black bread and leftover coleslaw plus tea). I liked your insights here. I'd post a golden eagle vs deer video I saw, but no again - it's not la-la in outer (forum) space. I live near the Rocky Mountains and we periodically hear about people being eaten by cougars, grizzly especially; pets get picked off by coyotes; climber newbies forget they can die. It's life.

BROOK · 09-01-2009, 06:40 AM

Wormhole · 09-01-2009, 06:52 AM

Are we all ONE. Yes, and No. Is this universe limited? No, I think not. Is there any manifestation that can not be? No, I think not. One. One is more then just a promise. One means that we have connection with each other, but that we are solvent and autonomous.

Let us continue. ONE does not mean giving up an aspect of my being, it means realizing the concept that I am just not myself... and that I am more then me. Me is just a bit of ego, a bit of wanting to be heard, needing to be loved. What I really am is a crazy fool connected to every other fool. I love my fool.

We are. And we are more. We have an amazing ability to see that we are not just us... but a part of a very great thing. If you let go of your ego, you become ONE with the idea, yet you do not leave the knowing that you are in control of your own destiny.

What I am saying is that you need to know or be aware of a concept that if you live in the ONE, you are not giving up anything. In fact you are gaining all. ALL. ALL.

There need not be a gate, there need not be a guru, there need not be anything beyond the ultimate knowing that you (all) is, are. I hope that makes sense.

I love you, me. I love the search.

Peace of mind through the heart,
Wormhole

Wormhole · 09-01-2009, 07:00 AM

Ego:

Ask your ego: What is my relationship to the present moment?
What you resist persists.
Accept what is first, action from acceptance not resistance.
How present you are defines your spirituality.
The ego overlooks the NOW.
People in the ego live as though the present moment is their enemy.
Ego constantly compares itself to others to find superiority.
The ego is a false sense of self based on concepts people identify with.
Wanting keeps the ego alive more then having.

Ekhart Toole

rhythm · 09-01-2009, 08:15 AM

Maby you will discover there is no one here
only awareness ...

but in the illuision there apear to be many

with many differences ....

the great tapestry called life ...

Anchor · 09-01-2009, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhythm

Maby you will discover there is no one here
only awareness ...

but in the illuision there apear to be many

with many differences ....

the great tapestry called life ...

Or, and David Wilcocks friend Larry Seyer says a lot: "there is only one of us here!"

A..

14 Chakras · 09-01-2009, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wormhole

Are we all ONE. Yes, and No. Is this universe limited? No, I think not. Is there any manifestation that can not be? No, I think not. One. One is more then just a promise. One means that we have connection with each other, but that we are solvent and autonomous.

Let us continue. ONE does not mean giving up an aspect of my being, it means realizing the concept that I am just not myself... and that I am more then me. Me is just a bit of ego, a bit of wanting to be heard, needing to be loved. What I really am is a crazy fool connected to every other fool. I love my fool.

We are. And we are more. We have an amazing ability to see that we are not just us... but a part of a very great thing. If you let go of your ego, you become ONE with the idea, yet you do not leave the knowing that you are in control of your own destiny.

What I am saying is that you need to know or be aware of a concept that if you live in the ONE, you are not giving up anything. In fact you are gaining all. ALL. ALL.

There need not be a gate, there need not be a guru, there need not be anything beyond the ultimate knowing that you (all) is, are. I hope that makes sense.

I love you, me. I love the search.

Peace of mind through the heart,
Wormhole

Wormhole, this is some excellent stuff! I can see a few "A ha" moments in there. I think you've done an excellent job describing Oneness and what it's ALL about... not losing something, rather becoming much More.

This is the gift of creation, we are sons and daughters of God, as we see through the veil of illusion, we don't lose the "I" we just become More in the process. We don't become everyone else, we just see we're interconnected with everyone and everything else, and therefore it's in our best interest to shine our light on everyone rather than trying to cause anything harm or take away from it.

Oneness is NOT sameness. Oneness IS.

14 Chakras · 09-01-2009, 06:04 PM

P.S. The only thing I would add to what you said Wormhole is I take a different approach to your line here:

"Me is just a bit of ego, a bit of wanting to be heard, needing to be loved. What I really am is a crazy fool connected to every other fool. I love my fool."

The real, interconnected, empowered, pure, divine YOU (not such a fool really after all!) also love's love! However, it knows that the love that we seek is within us, and is a part of us. Our enlightened Self is just not caught in the illusion that we will find that kind of love outside of ourselves. In fact, I believe a key realization for us on the path will be when we see clearly that we ARE that love, we are made of love and the source has infinite, infinite, love for you. Then we ourselves will be love made manifest, as we become an open door for that infinite source of love within us.

lindabaker · 09-01-2009, 11:42 PM

Back to the topic of veggie vs. flesh eaters. I am vegetarian. I eat dairy and eggs. I'm still a young enough woman to need iron. I don't need meat at all. The vitamin b12 issue is solved with dairy and eggs. So here is one thing I have noticed twice after switching from flesh to fresh: the smell of decaying meat on the breath of carnivores is really really bad. I can't even sit at the symphony next to carnivore friends anymore. Anyone else have that problem? What do you say to them without hurting their feelings? "Here, have a breath mint, Bacteria Breath?"

Go back to Jurrasic Park, T-Rex.

Christo888 · 09-02-2009, 12:30 AM

Well, at least your still going to the symphony!!!

I'm having a hard time just getting in an elevator with anyone else, nonetheless having to hit the buttons after watching people cough into their hands then touch the buttons... ya kinda like the restroom door thingy... Oh the sighs of them all in a box!!!!

dagon · 09-02-2009, 01:17 AM

I just solved all our differences.

Growing meat without growing animals.

http://www.slate.com/id/2189676/

Two years ago, I proposed a compromise between carnivores and vegetarians: We couldn't change our craving for meat, but we could change the way we sated it. The solution was to grow meat in labs, the way we grow therapeutic tissue from stem cells.

I wonder if monsanto is involved...

I do agree our eating habits are all wrong. I can agree with that. put meat and protein is crucial to brain development and so on. the more natural whole foods the better.

lindabaker · 09-02-2009, 01:30 AM

Okay, then, I'll start a boneless chicken farm!

dagon · 09-02-2009, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lindabaker

Okay, then, I'll start a boneless chicken farm!

dagon · 09-02-2009, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lindabaker

Back to the topic of veggie vs. flesh eaters. I am vegetarian. I eat dairy and eggs. I'm still a young enough woman to need iron. I don't need meat at all. The vitamin b12 issue is solved with dairy and eggs. So here is one thing I have noticed twice after switching from flesh to fresh: the smell of decaying meat on the breath of carnivores is really really bad. I can't even sit at the symphony next to carnivore friends anymore. Anyone else have that problem? What do you say to them without hurting their feelings? "Here, have a breath mint, Bacteria Breath?"

Go back to Jurrasic Park, T-Rex.

no problems here .. Ill sit with anybody. I like to sit with the homeless on the streets and talk about life. even thow thay reek from not showing or booze. and I can go to the symphony and sit to some stuffy high society overachiever... who reeks of perfume or clone.. overpowering everything in the room ..even the cigars and cigs...

krystal · 10-19-2009, 04:26 AM

We don't become everyone else, we just see we're interconnected with everyone and everything else, and therefore it's in our best interest to shine our light on everyone rather than trying to cause anything harm or take away from it.

Oneness is NOT sameness. Oneness IS.[/QUOTE]

Beautifully said!

krystal · 10-19-2009, 04:29 AM

Wormhole thank you for your words of wisdom.

08-31-2009, 04:26 PM	#1
Vidya Moksha Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: here Posts: 109	Re: We are not one! I concur Dagon. My posts were aimed initially at what seemed to be tired old dogma, peddled out without personal experience or awareness. Mixed with a dose of current disinformed propaganda and lack of real environmental awareness. I think awareness and a conscious choice is the answer. And its immoral to impose morals onto someone else, its your life choice and no one elses, we are all ultimately accountable (and to ourselves most likely) for what we do. I was also waiting for someone who could see auras to comment, many people who do see them wouldnt touch processed fast foods just for the aura they give off.

08-31-2009, 04:50 PM	#2
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: We are not one! Heaven has not come to earth yet. It's not about following some outer set of rules to make that happen. It's about remembering who we are. It's true that heavy meats can interfere with people's spiritual awakening, and it is ideal to avoid them. However, people are not animals, human beings are sons and daughters of God. It's true. It's that simple. As long as we believe we're just evolved animals, we'll be kept out of the kingdom of heaven within us. Animal's generally have an oversoul, meaning, they do not each have an individual soul (generally speaking). Some species are far more developed spiritually than others, like dolphins. Some pets have individual consciousness, but most don't. They are part of the greater animal spirit. For example, grizzly bears are emanations of the grizzly bear over soul, most dogs are emanations of the dog over soul (but not all, some are elementals), when they die they simply go back into the greater over soul they are a part of behind the scenes of this world. Same goes for 99%+ of animals on planet earth. Human beings on the other hand, have three fold flames in our hearts and soul matrix's. We are the reason planet earth exist and we are here to be reborn into the reality of who we are as individualization's of the infinite, co-creators with it. Animal spirits, and elementals that inhabit animals from time to time, evolve spiritually when they provide a service to humans. Eventually, those who excel, will earn their three fold flames and from there, they can earn life eternal when they have the true realization of Self that we are here to have happen within us Now. In the future, people will no longer eat meat. But again, it's not about following outer rules to get us into that more symbiotic future, it's about shifting our own consciousness to awaken to the divinity within us. That being said, if we are guided to promote vegetarianism this is a good thing! What do you think about taking an approach of promoting an "Alkaline diet" because this alone will protect us very well from viruses, disease and sickness? Do we think comparing people to animals is a correct approach? Isn't it possible this will lead us to being further trapped in our illusions of worthlessness and powerlessness as the elite steam role us with their plots, plans and conspiracies? We must awaken to the divine loving intelligence and God power, wisdom and love within us in order to raise up our planet. Last edited by 14 Chakras; 08-31-2009 at 07:45 PM.

09-01-2009, 05:23 AM	#4
Christo888 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OC, CA and next... Posts: 1,289	Re: We are not one! Holy Cow!!!! This thread has a few bones to pick!!! But cerealsly, Eating LSD loaded grains I bet is pretty trippy for some, especially when the man-made planetary microwave systems resonate within your conscious thoughts and nightly dreams to evoke false assurances of eutopia. And I can see that sometimes evolved complex alkaline rich plants have to be sacrificed in order to kill cancers in the body... poor cancer has to be killed. I wonder if there is a reward for good plants that do good deeds such as these? I bet it would be cool to be a Shaman and have the plants talk to you and give you answers to age old questions, and complex mathematical formulas, and recipes for medicines to heal and cure diseases you can probably even see faces within them as they all take on certain characteristics of consciousness... Or to be an Animal Whisperer and learn the emotions of your pets and hear the lives and Camaraderie of penned livestock and beasts of the field living in the wild running free and sovereign and how they forage and hunt for their next meal or starve to death... Even to swim within the presence of schools of fish all turning and spinning in synchronicity into a bait ball meal for the Godly higher consciousness, highly evolved dolphin and whale spirits even the seals and tabooed gods of the other worlds disembodied and living in the great man-eating sharks... But ohhhh to soar with the majestic eagles and spirit hawks hovering over all the land, watching and protecting as great spirits of heaven in all regions of the world swooping down to slice a snakes head off or pick up a mother/pregnant rabbit for a quick meal before pictures are taken for all of us to appreciate and worship the beauty of Gods wonderful creations of flight... ****, now what can I eat... dirt! ... oh wait that grows plants and has minerals in it which radiate and conduct electromagnetism to help animate life... Mother Earth is that you? Hungry anyone?

09-01-2009, 05:36 AM	#5
Christo888 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OC, CA and next... Posts: 1,289	Re: We are not one! So my real question is... are Shamans meat eaters and Beast Masters vegetarians? And do Noble Beings have an Ego?

09-01-2009, 06:40 AM	#7
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: We are not one!

09-01-2009, 06:52 AM	#8
Wormhole Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 506	Re: We are not one! Are we all ONE. Yes, and No. Is this universe limited? No, I think not. Is there any manifestation that can not be? No, I think not. One. One is more then just a promise. One means that we have connection with each other, but that we are solvent and autonomous. Let us continue. ONE does not mean giving up an aspect of my being, it means realizing the concept that I am just not myself... and that I am more then me. Me is just a bit of ego, a bit of wanting to be heard, needing to be loved. What I really am is a crazy fool connected to every other fool. I love my fool. We are. And we are more. We have an amazing ability to see that we are not just us... but a part of a very great thing. If you let go of your ego, you become ONE with the idea, yet you do not leave the knowing that you are in control of your own destiny. What I am saying is that you need to know or be aware of a concept that if you live in the ONE, you are not giving up anything. In fact you are gaining all. ALL. ALL. There need not be a gate, there need not be a guru, there need not be anything beyond the ultimate knowing that you (all) is, are. I hope that makes sense. I love you, me. I love the search. Peace of mind through the heart, Wormhole

09-01-2009, 07:00 AM	#9
Wormhole Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 506	Re: We are not one! Ego: Ask your ego: What is my relationship to the present moment? What you resist persists. Accept what is first, action from acceptance not resistance. How present you are defines your spirituality. The ego overlooks the NOW. People in the ego live as though the present moment is their enemy. Ego constantly compares itself to others to find superiority. The ego is a false sense of self based on concepts people identify with. Wanting keeps the ego alive more then having. Ekhart Toole

09-01-2009, 08:15 AM	#10
rhythm Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: devon england Posts: 1,905	Re: We are not one! Maby you will discover there is no one here only awareness ... but in the illuision there apear to be many with many differences .... the great tapestry called life ...

09-01-2009, 06:04 PM	#13
14 Chakras Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Calgary, Canada Posts: 832	Re: We are not one! P.S. The only thing I would add to what you said Wormhole is I take a different approach to your line here: "Me is just a bit of ego, a bit of wanting to be heard, needing to be loved. What I really am is a crazy fool connected to every other fool. I love my fool." The real, interconnected, empowered, pure, divine YOU (not such a fool really after all!) also love's love! However, it knows that the love that we seek is within us, and is a part of us. Our enlightened Self is just not caught in the illusion that we will find that kind of love outside of ourselves. In fact, I believe a key realization for us on the path will be when we see clearly that we ARE that love, we are made of love and the source has infinite, infinite, love for you. Then we ourselves will be love made manifest, as we become an open door for that infinite source of love within us. Last edited by 14 Chakras; 09-01-2009 at 06:27 PM.

09-01-2009, 11:42 PM	#14
lindabaker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 504	Re: We are not one! Back to the topic of veggie vs. flesh eaters. I am vegetarian. I eat dairy and eggs. I'm still a young enough woman to need iron. I don't need meat at all. The vitamin b12 issue is solved with dairy and eggs. So here is one thing I have noticed twice after switching from flesh to fresh: the smell of decaying meat on the breath of carnivores is really really bad. I can't even sit at the symphony next to carnivore friends anymore. Anyone else have that problem? What do you say to them without hurting their feelings? "Here, have a breath mint, Bacteria Breath?"Go back to Jurrasic Park, T-Rex.

09-02-2009, 12:30 AM	#15
Christo888 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: OC, CA and next... Posts: 1,289	Re: We are not one! Well, at least your still going to the symphony!!! I'm having a hard time just getting in an elevator with anyone else, nonetheless having to hit the buttons after watching people cough into their hands then touch the buttons... ya kinda like the restroom door thingy... Oh the sighs of them all in a box!!!!

09-02-2009, 01:17 AM	#16
dagon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glen Ellen Ca Posts: 611	Re: We are not one! I just solved all our differences. Growing meat without growing animals. http://www.slate.com/id/2189676/ Two years ago, I proposed a compromise between carnivores and vegetarians: We couldn't change our craving for meat, but we could change the way we sated it. The solution was to grow meat in labs, the way we grow therapeutic tissue from stem cells. I wonder if monsanto is involved... I do agree our eating habits are all wrong. I can agree with that. put meat and protein is crucial to brain development and so on. the more natural whole foods the better.

09-02-2009, 01:30 AM	#17
lindabaker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 504	Re: We are not one! Okay, then, I'll start a boneless chicken farm!

10-19-2009, 04:26 AM	#20
krystal Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 43	Re: We are not one! We don't become everyone else, we just see we're interconnected with everyone and everything else, and therefore it's in our best interest to shine our light on everyone rather than trying to cause anything harm or take away from it. Oneness is NOT sameness. Oneness IS.[/QUOTE] Beautifully said!

10-19-2009, 04:29 AM	#21
krystal Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 43	Re: We are not one! Wormhole thank you for your words of wisdom.

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