Disclosure solutions vs. Self realization solutions

[14 Chakras]

Interesting points all in all...

Eleni "it's up to us to vibrate higher- then they can no longer hold power over us- imagine a mass raising of vibratory levels? Peace and love can then prosper- we have to be the change- no one can save us by ourselves...."

Yes! Agreed. We have MASSIVE amounts of help to do this, and we are protected doing so, the only thing is that our help is behind the scenes, it is from the spiritual realm and we have to connect to it in our hearts and it is there for us right Now. The help from the Beings that are in alignment with God's will are helping us remember who we are and connect to our own divine flame within rather than providing us with obvious outer solutions.

When the time comes, the solutions will be there on the inner. We are taken care of and we all have a GREAT gift to be alive for this momentous and amazing time of the healing and raising up of our beautiful planet .

Initiate - My discernment leads me to believe that the people in this forum are sincere students of truth, none of us are there yet, and we all have illusions to surrender. BUT ALL OF US have the potential to, at some point on our soul journey, Be the Living Christ. This is a key understanding. This is our true nature. And when we commit to balancing our karma, and overcoming the things of this world, exchanging the illusions of separation for the reality of who we are in Oneness with the infinite, then we ALL have the potential, to one degree or another, to Be here below all that we are above and follow in the masters footsteps who came before us. I would suggest the 'anti-christ' types you are talking about, if they do come about, will come about from the places of the high and mighty, the elite, not from the grass roots. God's children however, will awaken to their own inner divinity from all walks of life. Those who choose to Be will Be.

Observer- That's a reasonable attitude 'i see et's as neighbors'. I personally have investigated this subject enough to feel confident with my own personal assessment of those who are directly interfering in our world in the physical at this time. I suggest we keep open to the possibility that it's not just dumb humans at the top level of our institutions at this time. The time may come when it is important for us to use our discernment in this regard.

Luminari - I agree with you, Oneness is reality and God is not at war with itSelf! That being said, I do believe that there are fallen co-creators and fallen angels that have trapped themselves in the illusion of separation from God and are directly opposing the plan to raise up creation, who are seeking to destroy creation from within through deception.

As we are currently on the 'inside' of creation, the ones that have lost their way are here with us, and they have some power here, but only when we give them our power consciously or unconsciously.

And I agree, it's not about 'fighting' the bad guys, it's about realizing the reality that all life is One so we can move beyond the mind games of duality and into the abundant state of Being in the Now from whence we came. To have a world based on cooperation and symbiotic growth rather than war and separation, that's what's necessary.

To get there, we will learn that it is our responsibility to protect our own energy fields and our own planet. As long as there is darkness in the universe, then we will need to continue to be vigilant in protecting our own consciousness and world by creating enough light within ourselves and our world. That's because everything is made of consciousness, and some free willed beings have chosen to associate themselves with the illusion of the darkness, the illusion of the mirror of God.

Eventually, co-creators will fill up this entire universe with light, and the whole universe will ascend to the spiritual realm (this is not what is occurring now, this is just one in breath of many that will lead in that direction). The darkness is only temporary, so those who have become associated with it (fallen beings) are doing everything in their power to keep the illusion up at the expense of the rest of us so they can maintain their power and control.

The only question is when the sons and daughters of the infinite will get tired of playing the victim and take up their rightful role as co-creators and take back their own power by taking back control of their own consciousness and remembering who they are. I think that time is Now.

That's part of the game of free will after all.. to raise up creation from within and learn many lessons along the Way so that when we finally graduate, we are well rounded free will love focused co-creators ready to co-create magnificent new realms in the infinite mind of God.

[TheObserver]

Of course neighbors can be stupid, crazy, mean-spirited etc. And i want them to see me as equal too. So yeah my post was incomplete but i liked it's simplicity.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

God the Creator is not at war with Himself and neither is He confined within Creation

God is the Immanence within everything and more so the Transcendence above all


the Angels were created before Man and some fell from Grace which escalated into the division of good and evil which are the result of choices that makes up a character

God is above all this but much of His best conscious creations flux between these two choices - for there is a Standard and a Scale to measure them


Besides God loves the Epic - and any good story has both bad and good in it

So I believe God allowed one fraction to fall so as to spice up the story


this would be rather cruel if not God is the One playing the many

Thats ok, Its quite natural and acceptable for us to have divergent views on the meaning of God. The concept of 'God the Creator' as somehow independent of Creation, seems to come from Earth based anthropomorphised religious perspectives. But is in actuality describing the God Type-I phenomena (little g's) who have convinced Earthlings that they represent the big G. Type-II Absolutum.

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Oneness is reality and God is not at war with itSelf! That being said, I do believe that there are fallen co-creators and fallen angels that have trapped themselves in the illusion of separation from God and are directly opposing the plan to raise up creation, who are seeking to destroy creation from within through deception.

As we are currently on the 'inside' of creation, the ones that have lost their way are here with us, and they have some power here, but only when we give them our power consciously or unconsciously.

And I agree, it's not about 'fighting' the bad guys, it's about realizing the reality that all life is One so we can move beyond the mind games of duality and into the abundant state of Being in the Now from whence we came. To have a world based on cooperation and symbiotic growth rather than war and separation, that's what's necessary.

To get there, we will learn that it is our responsibility to protect our own energy fields and our own planet. As long as there is darkness in the universe, then we will need to continue to be vigilant in protecting our own consciousness and world by creating enough light within ourselves and our world. That's because everything is made of consciousness, and some free willed beings have chosen to associate themselves with the illusion of the darkness, the illusion of the mirror of God.

Eventually, co-creators will fill up this entire universe with light, and the whole universe will ascend to the spiritual realm (this is not what is occurring now, this is just one in breath of many that will lead in that direction). The darkness is only temporary, so those who have become associated with it (fallen beings) are doing everything in their power to keep the illusion up at the expense of the rest of us so they can maintain their power and control.

The only question is when the sons and daughters of the infinite will get tired of playing the victim and take up their rightful role as co-creators and take back their own power by taking back control of their own consciousness and remembering who they are. I think that time is Now.

That's part of the game of free will after all.. to raise up creation from within and learn many lessons along the Way so that when we finally graduate, we are well rounded free will love focused co-creators ready to co-create magnificent new realms in the infinite mind of God.

That was superb! Excellent. The 'mind games of duality' is thinking in 3D.

[Initiate]

It is very easy for those that are awake to look at the 3D Duality as a game that we have been playing for a long long time. To see that we are all in creation and choose to not play the game. The problem is until all of us stop playing the game it is still a game that we are all in. We can't quit the game we can only win by everyone realising there own oneness within and without. It is up to us to enlighten the unelightened or wake up those who are asleep. To finish the game and come up together for the next extrordinary part of the devine plan. Quiting the game before the game is done is service to self.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Luminari

Thats ok, Its quite natural and acceptable for us to have divergent views on the meaning of God. The concept of 'God the Creator' as somehow independent of Creation, seems to come from Earth based anthropomorphised religious perspectives. But is in actuality describing the God Type-I phenomena (little g's) who have convinced Earthlings that they represent the big G. Type-II Absolutum.

Actually its both

God as the essence within Creation and God as independent of it as a Director is independent from the movie

And this perspective comes from philosophers from most every culture and is confirmed by Self Realized Beings especially out of India

As God is the essence of Creation it follows that everything is an aspect of God whether that aspect is aware of it or not

Our senses are steeped in the physical which is only the tip of the iceberg of what actually exists

There are pantheons of lesser gods in most cultures representing a particular aspect and function of God tho these are not Self Realized Beings but more or less aware of their connection to God


Creation is a Divine Design and God is the Designer