Canada's Inuit notice the Sun is not where it should be.

[Jnana]

I would be interested in knowing why the initial post in this thread is identical to this one on unhypnotize.com:

Canadas inuit notice sun not where it should

The post time on unhypnotize is a few minutes later. Are they pulling posts from here?

[Céline]

it does not surprise me that the inuit have noticed changes.. i live in southern quebec, and i have notice changes....it seems to me that the winds have changed...

[FIIISH]

Now, the sun comes up a little to the right, or south, if I'm calculating correctly. Anybody else notice this?

Yes. I recently was thinking that instead of appearing directly overhead, the sun is more south from where one would expect it to be.

I thought it was my imagination, but perhaps not....

What does this mean? IDK.

[Swanny]

It's also a lot whiter than it used to be, not yellow any more

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Swanny

It's also a lot whiter than it used to be, not yellow any more

Hi Swanny - I saw this old article when I was looking for a CBC podcast about the Mayan calendar, about the brightening and dimming of the sun. I do know that the sun has been dimming now too. I kind of attributed it to pollution and chemtrails. (Who knows!)

Bright sun made dark days in Mayan history
Last Updated: Friday, May 18, 2001 | 3:45 PM ET

Researchers have found a link between the evolution of the ancient Mayan civilization and the cycle of the sun. They say that every 208 years, the Mayans' homeland in Mexico was affected by droughts caused by the dimming and brightening of the Sun. And these droughts coincide with major events in Mayan history.

The researchers say the cycle coincides with the collapse of the classic Mayan civilization in the ninth century and the abandonment of pre-classic Mayan sites between 475 and 250 BC and between AD 125 and 210.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2001/..._ow010518.html

- also -

Why the Sun seems to be 'dimming'
Last Updated: Thursday, 13 January 2005, 14:10 GMT
We are all seeing rather less of the Sun, according to scientists who have been looking at five decades of sunlight measurements. They have reached the disturbing conclusion that the amount of solar energy reaching the Earth's surface has been gradually falling.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4171591.stm

[Gnosis5]

No sun, then what next -- no wind! How am I ever going to move off the grid!!!

gnosis

Originally Posted by no caste

Hi Swanny - I saw this old article when I was looking for a CBC podcast about the Mayan calendar, about the brightening and dimming of the sun. I do know that the sun has been dimming now too. I kind of attributed it to pollution and chemtrails. (Who knows!)

Bright sun made dark days in Mayan history
Last Updated: Friday, May 18, 2001 | 3:45 PM ET

Researchers have found a link between the evolution of the ancient Mayan civilization and the cycle of the sun. They say that every 208 years, the Mayans' homeland in Mexico was affected by droughts caused by the dimming and brightening of the Sun. And these droughts coincide with major events in Mayan history.

The researchers say the cycle coincides with the collapse of the classic Mayan civilization in the ninth century and the abandonment of pre-classic Mayan sites between 475 and 250 BC and between AD 125 and 210.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2001/..._ow010518.html

- also -

Why the Sun seems to be 'dimming'
Last Updated: Thursday, 13 January 2005, 14:10 GMT
We are all seeing rather less of the Sun, according to scientists who have been looking at five decades of sunlight measurements. They have reached the disturbing conclusion that the amount of solar energy reaching the Earth's surface has been gradually falling.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4171591.stm

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Céline

it does not surprise me that the inuit have noticed changes.. i live in southern quebec, and i have notice changes....it seems to me that the winds have changed...

Hello Céline. I live in Temiscouata near the Maine border and noticed wind change too. I also noticed new species appearing in our region. We have more and more species coming from the south taking home in our valley. Golden Eagles were pretty rare when I was young, now they are here in just about all high places of the valley.

We see red headed vulture, or urubu that was not present before. Some new kind of large insect too, like large moth and large coleoptera.

We have also noticed new type of clouds in the area. Many of us here are observing the skies since childhood and these clouds are new here. It goes like the winds. Usually, the predominant winds were coming from the north east, because of the St-Lawrence valley. But now, it is the southern winds that are predominant bringing more precipitation than we used to have.

It would explain why we have a warming in the north pole but not global as the "specialists" are trying to make us believe. In fact, 2008 was one of the coldest year we had recorded since 50 years.

Namaste, Steven

[viking]

Interesting...I remember somewhere in one of eXchangers posts saying that the stars were in all different positions...I have also read this elsewhere..I'll try to track it down...if this is the case where will the new poles be ?? I read somewhere that they would be somewhere in Russia???

viking

[lindabaker]

Originally Posted by viking

Interesting...I remember somewhere in one of eXchangers posts saying that the stars were in all different positions...I have also read this elsewhere..I'll try to track it down...if this is the case where will the new poles be ?? I read somewhere that they would be somewhere in Russia???

viking

Hello, Viking. I also read eXchanger's post about the different position. She said 13 degree differential. My "eyeball trend analysis" was 15 degrees, based on a reference point at the back of my property (forested mountains). So, my estimate was fairly close to her information. I was "off" only two degrees out of 360. Now, what I will do is take a photo on Jan. 19 because I have a photo of the sunrise from last year on that date. Of course, there will be those who say that it isn't "scientific" nor "provable" but those are just terms that can be used for or against an argument. In the event of cloud cover forecast for that week, I will take photos a few days before or after, just in case. Then, we can check it out to see if the sunrise appears behind a different section of the horizon. LB

[Jnana]

The earth axis tilt is 23.44 degrees. The latitude at my house is 39.1 degrees. At the winter solstice at noon, this makes the angle of the sun from 62.54 degrees from vertical or 27.46 degrees above the horizon.

With a level, a protractor, and a nail (to create a shadow) I measured the angle of the sun from vertical at approximately 63 degrees, or 27 degrees above the horizon, today at 1:00 PM. The sun would have been at its highest point today at 12:39, so I was a little off. Also, my instrumentation is pretty crude and probably only good for +/- 1 degree, and it is not quite the winter solstice.

In any case, the measurement is quite close to the expected value.

[metaw3]

Originally Posted by Jnana

I would be interested in knowing why the initial post in this thread is identical to this one on unhypnotize.com:

Canadas inuit notice sun not where it should

The post time on unhypnotize is a few minutes later. Are they pulling posts from here?

Yes. It's from the syndicated content here:
http://unhypnotize.com/search.php?searchid=1924

[Initiate]

http://www.doomdaily.com/2009/is-pla...wobble-effect/

Antarctic Ice Is Growing And Thickening

Despite reports to the contrary, ice in the Antarctic is growing in area and density and has been consistently doing so for at least 30 years now. Western Antarctica has shed several ice shelves over time, but Eastern Antarctica has grown greatly in the same time.
Ice-core drilling and monitoring of sea ice indicate that although there exists a widespread public belief in the melting of the Antarctic ice caps, this is not founded in evidence gleaned from the scientific monitoring of the sea ice conditions.
East Antarctica, a sea ice region extending out at over four times the size of the West sea ice region, has grown massively during the same period that the monitoring of the West Antarctic revealed melting. Scientists theorize such melting may be normal.

New Land is Forming in Alaska

Like a giant fist punching through the earth, a 1,000-foot long section of the beach below Bluff Point rose up 20 feet from the tidelands sometime last Friday or late Thursday, pushing boulders up from the ocean bottom, cracking sandstone slabs and toppling rocks upside down.
Below Bluff Point, a new fissure opened up at the base of the 800-foot high cliff. The uplift could be a re-activation of a landslide that happened perhaps 12,000 years ago.
“There was just beach before,” said Ron Hess, who lives on Bluff Road above the new uplift. “Now there are tidal pools.”
“You can see a rock circle,” said Marilyn Hess. “All you used to see was one big rock, and now you can see this uplift of rock.”

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Initiate

Antarctic Ice Is Growing And Thickening... New Land is Forming in Alaska

More ice in Antarctica, less ice (more land) in the Arctic.

Well, who knows about the Inuit observations then. I tried with a terrain shift theory - hey, what if the giant ice slabs were tilting?? What I DO know is that Inuit observations are keen and, almost miraculously, some of the elders' stories go back to the mammoth hunts!

About the North, it's the melt of the fresh water ice, into the sea, that may cause problems with the Gulf Stream, like in The Day After Tomorrow. And it's thawing permafrost that's a potentially huge methane gas release issue, like a zillion farting cattle. I think these things are part of global warming modeling, which is where the catastrophic scenarios come from, including rising sea levels for low lying and inlet regions.

Hmm. Pole shifts... 15 degrees...

[Jonah]

All well resonating observations folks!

I can't help but wonder if that is even our sun anymore.

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Jonah

All well resonating observations folks!

I can't help but wonder if that is even our sun anymore.

Oh ****! That would be a bummer. WHO SWITCHED OUR SUNS??!! I DEMAND AN ANSWER NOW!!

I wonder if atmospheric changes (say, chemtrails and pollution) are changing the look of it for us. The atmosphere is like an optical lens.

[Aztar]

Droid56, I just want to thank you for this post, not for the question being asked though its an interesting one but for the mention of isuma.tv.

I went and watched both of the movies Atanarjuat The Fast Runner & The Journals of Knud Rasmussen which meant allot to me.

Thanks

As mentioned by Droid56 isumaTV has this information about Inuit Climate perspective;

IKCC Story in Winnipeg's UPTOWN 12/08/2009
http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-know...nnipegs-uptown

As well as this one.
CBC News North Article on IKCC Project 12/09/2009
http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-know...e-ikcc-project

Its part of a Documentary that's a UN-sponsored Indigenous Voices on Climate Change Film Festival, make of that what you will.
16 min preview speech here : http://www.isuma.tv/hi/en/inuit-know...sion-un-cop-15

[Jonah]

Originally Posted by no caste

Oh ****! That would be a bummer. WHO SWITCHED OUR SUNS??!! I DEMAND AN ANSWER NOW!!

I wonder if atmospheric changes (say, chemtrails and pollution) are changing the look of it for us. The atmosphere is like an optical lens.

No caste I can never tell if your serious or not...

but i suppose this forum will do that to you....

If chemtrails and pollution are creating an optical illusion...

then perhaps these test could be conducted in an area where there is neither.

[Rozzy]

I live and work in the far north and the sun looks just fine to me, same as last year, the year before and the decades i remember before that, go figure eh!

[Jonah]

Looks as though we are not alone in our observations of the sun



http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...age371651/pg12
http://www.zetatalk.com/index/earth243.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread288581/pg1

[Mizar]

According to the calculations in the 2009 Nautical Almanac, and measuring directly with my Sextant, the Sun, and the Stars are exactly where they should be, however I have read recent reports that clocks have been off by up to two hours. The Analemma will put the sun in the "Wrong" position by as much as 16 minutes, the sun is either "Fast" or slow by that amount, the " equation of time" is used to correct for the effects of the Analemma.
Mizar

[Gnosis5]

Glad you have a sextant and know how to use it, and here is a link that explains Analemma:

http://www.analemma.com/Pages/framesPage.html

Originally Posted by Mizar

According to the calculations in the 2009 Nautical Almanac, and measuring directly with my Sextant, the Sun, and the Stars are exactly where they should be, however I have read recent reports that clocks have been off by up to two hours. The Analemma will put the sun in the "Wrong" position by as much as 16 minutes, the sun is either "Fast" or slow by that amount, the " equation of time" is used to correct for the effects of the Analemma.
Mizar

[droid56]

I guess it is likely they are wrong in their observations, as the science dudes with science machines have pointed out.

But I'm still listening to the people who say they see unexpected things.

[no caste]

Originally Posted by droid56

I guess it is likely they are wrong in their observations, as the science dudes with science machines have pointed out.

But I'm still listening to the people who say they see unexpected things.

droid56 - Me too. I don't trust science guys and gals There's also perception, AND the earth's crust floats around too. I knew of a seismologist whose job it was to measure the mountains moving.

Originally Posted by Jonah

Don't blame me for going to la-la land...
but since you brought it up....
multi-verse theory might explain such a switch....
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-m-theory.htm

Jonah - Thanks for that link, really one of my favorite topics, right from when I was a physics student. I'm actually pretty happy for chances to go to lala land anyway

Originally Posted by Operator

I started a thread Wubbo Ockels explains how ‘time’ is created by human beings ... In this presentation Wubbo mentions that, in relation to the topic of the presentation, we have a 'program' running in our brain that makes us perceive reality different.

Thanks, Operator for mentioning that video. I added this link about a similar program I heard on that thread too.

Julian Barbour, The End of Time: The Next Revolution in Physics
http://www.cbc.ca/ideas/features/liv...ime/index.html

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Jonah

No caste I can never tell if your serious or not...

but i suppose this forum will do that to you....

If chemtrails and pollution are creating an optical illusion...

then perhaps these test could be conducted in an area where there is neither.

Jonah - This forum probably aids my inner absurdist, that's for sure. I don't know how (or if) a changed atmosphere, like less oxygen, altogether different chemical composition, would affect the appearance of the heavens.

When you said the sun's not ours, it made me think it got switched! Maybe the sun itself is changing. I mean, clearly it's ever-changing, ... everything's ever-changing, ... I better stop here to avoid another la-la land loop.

{breathe}

[Jonah]

Don't blame me for going to la-la land...

but since you brought it up....

multi-verse theory might explain such a switch....

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-m-theory.htm

Originally Posted by no caste

Jonah - This forum probably aids my inner absurdist, that's for sure. I don't know how (or if) a changed atmosphere, like less oxygen, altogether different chemical composition, would affect the appearance of the heavens.

When you said the sun's not ours, it made me think it got switched! Maybe the sun itself is changing. I mean, clearly it's ever-changing, ... everything's ever-changing, ... I better stop here to avoid another la-la land loop.

{breathe}