Bill Ryan's thread

[viking]

Originally Posted by viking

Hi Bill ...I bet your thinking 'jeeeze wish I never started this'

Hey, I wish I had the time to do what your doing...

Anyway I have a question and was wondering if you had any further information as to why George Green suddenly pulled out of involvement with the Phoenix Journels and started the Paradigm series.Which incidently are amazing books. Some of the messages contained within the Paradigm are replicated in the Journels. So it's obvious that some of his info has been stored via the Journels and released through his own series of books. I believe that most of the information has been channeled form higher forces as I am sure you do as well.

So do you know why he left promoting the Journels to do his own series??

Also in answer to one of your statements....

Do you think Greer is a clone???

viking

Bump...Also forgot to mention Billy Meier, he would be great to interview...

viking

[dwonder]

ok my second post . Hello all. Thank you Bill.

This is down to earth. What's your favorite song? Serious. Lets see who connects.

[Tramik]

Originally Posted by viking

Bump...Also forgot to mention Billy Meier, he would be great to interview...

viking

Kerry (and I think Bill) tried to make that happen, it was a no go. You can see a picture of Kerry by the Crest, it's in gray, on the PC website.

[petem]

Gnosis- If you don't know "comprehend" Clif High's use of "woo woo" try clicking on his website. Your ever so expanded mind might expand a little more.

Aztar- LOL! We're not puffing up our chests just looking for the truth. Clif High NEVER hired a "PI" to research Dr. Bill. Bill Ryan ASSUMED Clif hired a "PI" not realizing the efficiency of how Clif operates. I believe Bill Ryan should apologize and end it. As you say, nothig here folks, let's move on.
Clif is accurate when he states "time is short".

Pete

[SWIFT]

Hi petem,

Yes life is too short to worry about these hiccups of misunderstands among mind storming.

Move on as there's more bigger fish to fry. Like where's all the money gone from the worlds banking systems! In addition, don't fall into the trap of arguing among yourselves and look at the bigger picture!

Peace
SWIFT

[Steelhorsehd]

Hi Bill

We met and chatted at the LA conference. I was wondering if you could recommend a good regressionist in So. Cal.

Dan

[Moxie]

Hello everyone, Bill, thank you so much!

Here is a small cut n paste from the Dan Tops interview:

"They wanted to assist people to WAKE UP, recall who they were and are, and to save the planet...
We were in it to save the fate of the planet, the very fate Ron predicted that we’re facing right now ...
But the real wealth of the subject is no longer flowing out, exploding into the world. The death toll that’s about to be extracted from our planet is imminent and we as a planet are appallingly ignorant."

Cliff HIgh: "Time is short".

Ashayan Deane defines the agendas and that the showdown is coming, that it's all about who will control the Stargate; Bio-regensis - returning to our birthright as rightful stewards.... (too long to go into).

Would you please expound on this, as no one has yet mentioned this Time Is Short. What do you know that is an apparent urgency?

[Daft Ada]

Originally Posted by Moxie

Hello everyone, Bill, thank you so much!

Here is a small cut n paste from the Dan Tops interview:

"They wanted to assist people to WAKE UP, recall who they were and are, and to save the planet...
We were in it to save the fate of the planet, the very fate Ron predicted that we’re facing right now ...
But the real wealth of the subject is no longer flowing out, exploding into the world. The death toll that’s about to be extracted from our planet is imminent and we as a planet are appallingly ignorant."

Cliff HIgh: "Time is short".

Ashayan Deane defines the agendas and that the showdown is coming, that it's all about who will control the Stargate; Bio-regensis - returning to our birthright as rightful stewards.... (too long to go into).

Would you please expound on this, as no one has yet mentioned this Time Is Short. What do you know that is an apparent urgency?

Good question Moxie, but dont go down the rocky road of fear, Once you start down that road you are lost and in their control, stay in observer mode you will get more sleep

[Fredkc]

Very sad that people with an axe to grind are trying to use this thread as a public forum to row with bill. This is not the place for it

Thank You !!

I tried 3 times late last nite, to simply type that out, but my temper got in the way. I have a major flaw in my "eternally even temper" (ha!) for people who insist on doing the "you said, then he said, now whadda you say?" thing.

T'was something my mother used to call the game of "Let's you and him fight!". Who needs it!

Moving on...

Bill,
There is something I would like to get your take on. When you take bits of this'n that from the various revelations, something appears which I have trouble "settling for". Lemme spill out a "worst case", and go from there.

1. Man being a programmed life form, engineered by some other species for their purpose.
2. That even the glimpse we think we see at an ultimate creator is simply more of the same.
3. That our knowledge of ourselves, and our lot, is controlled so that even escape is an illusion (busy work). That there are enough of us willingly participating in this to keep it that way, and were that to change, our species would simply be re-engineered to regain control.

At this point, the story devolves into a "closed loop" which seems rather pointless. So a wrinkle is added:

4. "Benevolent" races arrive who are here "to help us", but through some limitations unknown are too damned "polite" (or whatever) to change the tune.

Here we basically arrive at the same point. We've simply acquired useless spectators.

No, I am not trying to paint you into a corner (my corner, damnit! Go find your own ). This is one of those silly logic traps for which I have yet to see the proper foothold beyond.

What I've seen in this life forces me to believe theres no such thing as a no-win scenario. I guess, like so many others, there is a piece missing. Perhaps "Join the club" is sufficient. Perhaps time will reveal.

Regards,
Fred

[TheChosen]

The matter of fact is that it doesn't matter in my opinion if Cliff hired a PI. I personaly wouldn't mind one bit if someone ivestigated my bank account.. nothing to hide in there..
But in this case Bill claims that he got that info from Cliff's email. Maybe he can post us that email snippet verbatim so we know who is telling the truth here..

While we are at it.. now that project camelot is free Cliff could contribute to this topic and solve this matter himself rather having someone else speak for him .. which only adds further layers of possibility for misunderstanding.

The reason I'd like to see this resolved is because I firmly believe both Bill Ryan and Cliff High are men of great integrity and this is just a stupid (pardon my words) misunderstanding getting everyone to argue about petty issues while we could be working together to figure out the big ones. Who knows.. maybe Cliff did write that and forgot about it

There is a lot of truth in Cliff High's work .. be careful though that his base for prediction is the innate psychic ability of all humans.. and as humans are prone to tune much more into the disaster like futures.. those predictions may be tilted towards that angle.. even though the probability may be much higher for a positive future. In either case if you've heard his interviews.. apart from his predictions he is a very well informed individual with a good overview of the matters of the world. We have to understand that his technology only predicts what are people going to be talking or thinking about.. not what will actually happen.. so its a pretty wild guessing game of the actual events.

[josie]

Originally Posted by TheChosen

There is a lot of truth in Cliff High's work .. be careful though that his base for prediction is the innate psychic ability of all humans.. and as humans are prone to tune much more into the disaster like futures.. those predictions may be tilted towards that angle.. even though the probability may be much higher for a positive future. In either case if you've heard his interviews.. apart from his predictions he is a very well informed individual with a good overview of the matters of the world. We have to understand that his technology only predicts what are people going to be talking or thinking about.. not what will actually happen.. so its a pretty wild guessing game of the actual events.

I'm curious about "as humans are prone to tune much more into the disaster like futures..."

can you share some more information about that? thanks!

[TheChosen]

josie: It is my own projection based on the environment that the average human finds himself into. It is a matter of fact that most people are deeply daily concerned with existential problems, health problems, problems of material nature etc etc... especially now in these times of global crisis.

The future is always very fluidic and based on many sources I tend to believe and agree with them that it is always a matter of probabilities. Now also any psychic worth its salt or any astral traveler will also tell you that future events of huge emotional impact are the first ones to be seen and the easiest ones.

When you couple these two factors. 1) That humans are surrounded with 'low vibrational' events and mental patterns... so it is only natural that their psychic senses can tune much easier into probable futures of the same vibrational level / mental pattern. 2) That disaster like probable futures are the first ones to get picked up by the 'psychic senses'.... This by my reasoning tells me that events of disaster with low probability will get picked up much easier than events that are high in probability but without much emotional impact.

Lets think about the following example. If lets say in the next 1 month we had three probable futures. 1) That California would go under the sea with a probability of 5% 2) That nothing would happen with probability of 70% 3) That there woud be a very minor earthquake with probability of 25%.

I would expect just because of the factors above that the normal human mind and very limited psychic sense.. would pick most strongly on the first event. While Cliff using his technology would catch the possibility of the event.. because of the severe disaster emotional impact it is my own opinion that he would never be able to gauge the probability of the event correctly. Maybe after many many years of careful calibration and fine tuning... but we live in such changing times and volatile 'astral fields' that I doubt he will ever have the time or space to do that.

In short.. I see Cliffs work as a very good indicator of people's deepest fears, their predictions of possible futures of things that they will be concerned with on a mental level (not necessarily happening as events)


edit: Unlimited: Thanks .. this changes things, I was not aware that he did indeed provide such a detailed answer on his website.

[Gnosis5]

You know, I never thought of it happening that way before, and it fills in the blank for me and gives me what I feel is a truer perspective on this subject.

Gnosis

Originally Posted by TheChosen

josie: It is my own projection based on the environment that the average human finds himself into. It is a matter of fact that most people are deeply daily concerned with existential problems, health problems, problems of material nature etc etc... especially now in these times of global crisis.

The future is always very fluidic and based on many sources I tend to believe and agree with them that it is always a matter of probabilities. Now also any psychic worth its salt or any astral traveler will also tell you that future events of huge emotional impact are the first ones to be seen and the easiest ones.

When you couple these two factors. 1) That humans are surrounded with 'low vibrational' events and mental patterns... so it is only natural that their psychic senses can tune much easier into probable futures of the same vibrational level / mental pattern. 2) That disaster like probable futures are the first ones to get picked up by the 'psychic senses'.... This by my reasoning tells me that events of disaster with low probability will get picked up much easier than events that are high in probability but without much emotional impact.

Lets think about the following example. If lets say in the next 1 month we had three probable futures. 1) That California would go under the sea with a probability of 5% 2) That nothing would happen with probability of 70% 3) That there woud be a very minor earthquake with probability of 25%.

I would expect just because of the factors above that the normal human mind and very limited psychic sense.. would pick most strongly on the first event. While Cliff using his technology would catch the possibility of the event.. because of the severe disaster emotional impact it is my own opinion that he would never be able to gauge the probability of the event correctly. Maybe after many many years of careful calibration and fine tuning... but we live in such changing times and volatile 'astral fields' that I doubt he will ever have the time or space to do that.

In short.. I see Cliffs work as a very good indicator of people's deepest fears, their predictions of possible futures of things that they will be concerned with on a mental level (not necessarily happening as events)


edit: Unlimited: Thanks .. this changes things, I was not aware that he did indeed provide such a detailed answer on his website.

[josie]

Originally Posted by TheChosen

josie: It is my own projection based on the environment that the average human finds himself into. It is a matter of fact that most people are deeply daily concerned with existential problems, health problems, problems of material nature etc etc... especially now in these times of global crisis.

The future is always very fluidic and based on many sources I tend to believe and agree with them that it is always a matter of probabilities. Now also any psychic worth its salt or any astral traveler will also tell you that future events of huge emotional impact are the first ones to be seen and the easiest ones.

When you couple these two factors. 1) That humans are surrounded with 'low vibrational' events and mental patterns... so it is only natural that their psychic senses can tune much easier into probable futures of the same vibrational level / mental pattern. 2) That disaster like probable futures are the first ones to get picked up by the 'psychic senses'.... This by my reasoning tells me that events of disaster with low probability will get picked up much easier than events that are high in probability but without much emotional impact.

Lets think about the following example. If lets say in the next 1 month we had three probable futures. 1) That California would go under the sea with a probability of 5% 2) That nothing would happen with probability of 70% 3) That there woud be a very minor earthquake with probability of 25%.

I would expect just because of the factors above that the normal human mind and very limited psychic sense.. would pick most strongly on the first event. While Cliff using his technology would catch the possibility of the event.. because of the severe disaster emotional impact it is my own opinion that he would never be able to gauge the probability of the event correctly. Maybe after many many years of careful calibration and fine tuning... but we live in such changing times and volatile 'astral fields' that I doubt he will ever have the time or space to do that.

In short.. I see Cliffs work as a very good indicator of people's deepest fears, their predictions of possible futures of things that they will be concerned with on a mental level (not necessarily happening as events)


edit: Unlimited: Thanks .. this changes things, I was not aware that he did indeed provide such a detailed answer on his website.

omgosh. thank you. that makes so much sense and it is information I was nearly desperate for today. so here's another question! this might come off as really crazy but anyway, whatever...

so, I drive around my city a lot during the day getting from one gig to the other (I walk dogs, teach guitar, etc etc). the part of town I'm usually in is say 10 square miles and it's all old school surface streets that are narrow with tons of bicycle people, walkers, all that. very progressive and friendly. anyway, like many older cities there are tons of shortcuts that weave in and out of neighborhoods that most people who haven't grown up here never really learn about. naturally, I take these routes nearly all the time because there's less traffic, lights, all that.

while I'm driving I always have this weird sense that this is a skill of mine - navigating...? or that I'm going to need this skill someday, or something like that. I can't tell if it's about a past life or what. but it's so compelling it feels like something I should pay attention to. but maybe it's tapping into some lower vibration that you said before? it's hard to explain...

my other gifts are that I'm an early crystal and spend most of my "work" day healing people in some regard or another. sometimes they take music lessons or I teach them their mac computer or whatever context they "hire" me. but it's always a healing session somehow. when I'm not working in that capacity, I'm researching and processing information and then I know how to sorta paraphrase it for the various people in my circle in ways I know they'll understand without getting afraid. I'm also able to persuade others (sometimes) to research stuff for me.

so I'm not sure why I'm compelled to write all of this but maybe it will make sense to somebody.

[AnarChrist]

Hey Bill

I am a bit wary when you speak of L. Ron Hubbard, and would encourage anyone who wishes to take your advice about using any of his methods to do some research on him first.

First Question is multi-layered;

a) are you aware of his history and involvment with the occult, the OTO and Aleister Crowley?

b) if so, his horrible science fiction aside, why would you consider endorsing him (if you are not, i apoogize, though it seems as if you do to me) or use anything associated with him?

For the record, though i am not necessarily well versed experience wise with Crowley to have any well formed opinion of him, (though i do have some, and have read most of his work, too much ego IMO, not apart of my particular path now) as for Hubbard, from what i have come to understand he seemed a pyschopath, (I can be specific if you wish) and it makes me more skeptical (no offense intended) of project camelot/avalon in general, as i am a relative newcomer to them, though i got into it because you and Kerry seem like good hearted, genuine, well intentioned people.

Second Question;

Are you familiar with Carl Jung, his work or theories on the UFO phenomena? For that matter, do you or Kerry have any formal (or informal) training or educational background in the area of Psychology or Sociology?

Final Question;

In your opinion, what is the best thing for anyone to do or focus on in the interest of helping this whole drama to have the greatest possible happy ending (new beginning?) for everyone and everything here alive upon our beautiful planet?

Thank you for your time. Infinite blessings to you & Kerry, for your courage, conviction and integrity in the work that both of you are doing, and may only the Good and True Spirit guide you.~

One Love.~*

[AnarChrist]

i would like to just clarify that i have no idea about the OTO, but refer rather to the apparent circumstances surrounding Hubbard and his involment and actions regarding them.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by AnarChrist

Hey Bill

I am a bit wary when you speak of L. Ron Hubbard, and would encourage anyone who wishes to take your advice about using any of his methods to do some research on him first.

First Question is multi-layered;

a) are you aware of his history and involvment with the occult, the OTO and Aleister Crowley?

b) if so, his horrible science fiction aside, why would you consider endorsing him (if you are not, i apoogize, though it seems as if you do to me) or use anything associated with him?

For the record, though i am not necessarily well versed experience wise with Crowley to have any well formed opinion of him, (though i do have some, and have read most of his work, too much ego IMO, not apart of my particular path now) as for Hubbard, from what i have come to understand he seemed a pyschopath, (I can be specific if you wish) and it makes me more skeptical (no offense intended) of project camelot/avalon in general, as i am a relative newcomer to them, though i got into it because you and Kerry seem like good hearted, genuine, well intentioned people.

Second Question;

Are you familiar with Carl Jung, his work or theories on the UFO phenomena? For that matter, do you or Kerry have any formal (or informal) training or educational background in the area of Psychology or Sociology?

Final Question;

In your opinion, what is the best thing for anyone to do or focus on in the interest of helping this whole drama to have the greatest possible happy ending (new beginning?) for everyone and everything here alive upon our beautiful planet?

Thank you for your time. Infinite blessings to you & Kerry, for your courage, conviction and integrity in the work that both of you are doing, and may only the Good and True Spirit guide you.~

One Love.~*

Hello, since I was one of the people associated with him when he was investigating Aleister Crowley's methods (I was there) the intention and purpose was to get some answers and be willing to go into the lion's den to get some answers. This lifetime I also re-visited the OTO to get some answers. Is that guilt by association?

It would be very hard for you to do much valid research on him because of the orchestrated smear campaign that Dane Tops (and myself) can verify. Even without the smear campaign he was human enough and he did make some wrong turns, but that is only my assessment after seeing what Dianetics alone can do for people after it was improved (as R3X).

All technologies can be improved (and will be).

"horrible science fiction" is a generalized personal attack so I won't dignify that remark except to say to each his own tastes and understandings.

To discount his early works would be like saying the Vedas are BS -- some is, some is not.

I know Dane Tops is correct in basically saying that Ron took on some enemies that he was not well equipped to take on. That is an object lesson to me as I continue to confront some heavy duty beings (at least in their own eyes). If I get knocked out of the game, as with Ron, it is simply a lesson learned and back into the game, as with Ron: The being that was known as Ron is back in the game.

[morganlilith]

hi bill :-)

do you have any thoughts on reverse speech? and in that same direction, have you looked into peggy kane's work with it?

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by morganlilith

hi bill :-)

do you have any thoughts on reverse speech? and in that same direction, have you looked into peggy kane's work with it?

Is she the only one. I'm perplexed why reverse speech is not a more popular subject. Because it's so darn hard to understand?

[morganlilith]

she's not the only one doing it, and by no means the originator of it. but she's the only one i've come across who is looking at it in regard to many of the subjects that are talked about here.

[AnarChrist]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Hello, since I was one of the people associated with him when he was investigating Aleister Crowley's methods (I was there) the intention and purpose was to get some answers and be willing to go into the lion's den to get some answers. This lifetime I also re-visited the OTO to get some answers. Is that guilt by association?

So do you claim that he did not steal Jack Parson's money, nor have an affair with his wife, and use it to buy some Yacht's? For starters? A number of multiple sources which can readily be verified all got together and made that up?

Well, maybe. Maybe alot of things. My opinion, and no, I wasn't there, but Hubbard was a selfish liar and thief, and a very good example of a sociopathic individual. But maybe that's just what they want me to believe...

I am not saying i know, (though i certainly don't take your word for anything mr. anonymous forum poster on the web who makes such claims, though again, perhaps it is so, i do not know) all i am suggesting is that people do some real research on the man before believing anything, or using his methods at all, which IMO could very well be dangerous, although i am tolerant enough to allow for anyone to go with whatever works for them, so long as it does not intentionally cause harm to another.

thank you.~


P.S. - As my question was directed to Bill, i will not respond to any further posts Gnosis, so you are therefore free to have the last word.

Again to reiterate, i encourage people to do their own research on L Ron Hubbard, dianetics, and Scientology. They give me the creeps, his own son co-wrote a book detailing much of the life of Hubbard, and neither of his wives say much nice about him, i cannot see what they would gain from going public with such information.

All this is my own limited opinion, which may very well be unfounded, and I do not have any real direct experience with Hubbard or Scientology, nor do i plan to. In no way do i claim it to hold any truth for anyone else.



Love & Respect to you all regardless. .~

P.E.A.C.E.

[ypestis]

Hi Bill,

Thanks for answering the questions!
I was wondering do you guys have any alert system planned for when the predicted solar flare that's heading our way wich will fry all electronics is going to hit? Do you think you will get contacted by insider scientists who will alarm you guys to put it up the side so people can get ready?

From what I've heard from James Gilliland it should come end 2009 beginning 2010..

Thank you!

[Cardillac]

Hello Bill-

again, many thanks to you and Kerry for your tremendous achievements- PC is a luminescent, ever-brightening port in a storm of continuing epic proportions-

if I recall correctly, Kerry once said in an interview that she (you both?) know Don Nicoloff (whoever he may be)-

what is your take on him?- I found his article about the "disappeared" Michael Rockefeller in the early 60's being the real father of Obama very interesting, although I have my reservations- Nicoloff failed to mention who his mother might have been (or did I miss something?)-

do you know Ken Adachi, host of the website educate-yourself.org, in which Nicoloff's articles are linked?-

please inform us all-

warmest regards from cold, windy, slightly-snowing SW Germany (so much for Gore's cash-winning global warming)

[LucidJia]

Hey Bill.

Which interview was the most memorable to you? Also what persons information/testimony, so far, has resonated with you the most?

Thank you for you're time. Jia.

[Moxie]

I sense that soon a message is forthcoming from Bill in the vein that "I'm just too darned busy to keep up with this thread" type thing. I'm waiting to see if my question, post #380 gets addressed. How in the heck this has not even been asked by others is beyond me really!

anyhoo in response to this posted above:
"his own son co-wrote a book detailing much of the life of Hubbard, and neither of his wives say much nice about him"....

hey, don't forget that there is no honor to be bestowed by your family members (chit, I can't remember the exact wording of this "famous" saying.._ but you get the gist)... I'm tired...