"Conspicary Theory" with Jesse Ventura

[raulduke]

I've seen two episodes, haarp and 9/11, and while I thought they were both fairly informative if the show was going to be your first scratch at the surface of conspiracy theories, but something felt like some of the interviews were staged. One example was when one of Jesse's investigators was interviewing the two SU haarp researchers (at about 00:50) and asked them if haarp is purely research.

The overly dramatic gulps and gufaws before answering, to me, feels like an act.

There's more, but that's the only one I can recall right now.

Seems like some worthwhile legit stuff spread conservatively into alot of bs filler. That's the only way this kinda show will get on the air though.

[11Truthurts11]

Originally Posted by raulduke

I've seen two episodes, haarp and 9/11, and while I thought they were both fairly informative if the show was going to be your first scratch at the surface of conspiracy theories, but something felt like some of the interviews were staged. One example was when one of Jesse's investigators was interviewing the two SU haarp researchers (at about 00:50) and asked them if haarp is purely research.

The overly dramatic gulps and gufaws before answering, to me, feels like an act.

There's more, but that's the only one I can recall right now.

Seems like some worthwhile legit stuff spread conservatively into alot of bs filler. That's the only way this kinda show will get on the air though.

I hear 'ya! I actually had the same impression but oh well, it's actually not uncommon for any interview on TV that if one take of it didn't turn out the way the director wants it then they just let them do it again, trying to sound spontaneous but on the other hand of course in this case Jesse trying to ask uncomfortable questions trying to get them to give something away so I don't know how much good rehearsing that would do to it's authenticity but I don't think it was staged, just maybe repeated... The global warming episode has one very lame clearly staged "dramatization" at the end, when the investigators are in China in front of Maurice Strong's penthouse building and then they 'run' because they have been 'spotted' by the 'police' now THAT was really lame... Well, it's TV after all and they need their quota, what can you say, still a good show!

[Peace of mind]

The show is great for opening up dialog for the sheeple. But lately I’ve been starting to doubt a lot of this conspiracy stuff. There are people all over the world spreading conspiracy propaganda and I find it very hard to understand why people like Jesse Ventura, Bill and Kerry, Wilcock, Collier, Green, Greer, Icke and others do not get together and blow the lid off all these so called secrets.

If they decided not to work together on disclosure due to money issues…than I can’t bring myself to believe in any of these guys because they clearly don’t have yours and my best interest at heart. Think about it…

Peace

[11Truthurts11]

Actually in many ways they are already working together, however it's the people, the media, the dull and un-assuming Joe on the street that doesn't think twice about stuff like this when he hears/sees it. For instance Duncan O'Finioan is appearing on the next episode with Jesse Ventura on January 6th, the episode being about Mind Control and Mk Ultra etc. he's also interviewing Dave Corso. Now I don't wanna sound like a propaganda guy but Kerry and Bill are also going to be speaking on the Mind Control conference next year
www.mkultraconference.com you should definitely check it out as it's gonna be huge! For as why the lid hasn't blown up yet... that goes back to one of my earlier posts, DUNNO But people are thick headed -I mean downright STUPID, Hitler's propaganda minister Goebbels knew that and said it out loud, to control and influence the masses your propaganda needs to be fit for the most simple minded of them because (sadly so) they make up for about 80% of the population... So WE are already those 20 or less taht are more aware. But it's not just intelligence, you'll find dozens of Harvard professors for instance that will laugh you in the face for any of these conspiracy theories but then again you'll also find some MIT prof's that will back you up, it's a certain mind set that allows for being open yet critical towards things like" UFO's, Mind Control or even Big Foot... I know people that are so enclosed in the rational 3 dimensional world that they wouldn't even believe it if they saw a UFO landing right in front of them, they'd think they were suffering from schizophrenia and take pills!

[nameless]

The problem with all of these so called expose programmes is that they trivialise a topic which is something yet to be explored in a true in depth journalistic sense. It boils down these topics making what could be an avenue of exploration into plain sound bitey confrontational entertainment.

What truely useful has come from the Ventura programmes?
You could say exposure. The average force fed narcolyptic joe eats a bit of HAARp or 9 11 conspiracy with their tv dinner, thinks "well thats interesting,"; but paradigms remain intact, control mechanisms are still in place and any seed of free will or inclination is now suplicated by the Venturas and Jones who are rocking so we don't have to. Problem spoken about, remains unsolved, case closed.

Maybe the best that comes out of it is that someone might actually think that all is not what it seems. But much like a flashy confrontational t shirt slogan, Ventura has in that one instance unwittingly opened a door and slammed it in a face with a glossy, fast edited, zoomy in, computer graphiced bang.

Entertainment really has become a shiny bauble to distract you from the pickpockets. It is the enemy of art.

Alex Jones is another example of a "face" to fit the new entertainment cycle of topics. The problem again is here we have real issues and topics that need to be explored and this is where I give Ventura real credit and is the only good thing to come from these programmes was at the end of the 911 programme when impassioned and steadfast he confronts the press who try to harangue him over his views and he tells them that he is an ordianary citizen just trying to do the job that they have neglected, ie. investigative journalism.

[quetzalcoatl11]

Originally Posted by nameless

The problem with all of these so called expose programmes is that they trivialise a topic which is something yet to be explored in a true in depth journalistic sense. It boils down these topics making what could be an avenue of exploration into plain sound bitey confrontational entertainment.

What truely useful has come from the Ventura programmes?
You could say exposure. The average force fed narcolyptic joe eats a bit of HAARp or 9 11 conspiracy with their tv dinner, thinks "well thats interesting,"; but paradigms remain intact, control mechanisms are still in place and any seed of free will or inclination is now suplicated by the Venturas and Jones who are rocking so we don't have to. Problem spoken about, remains unsolved, case closed.

Maybe the best that comes out of it is that someone might actually think that all is not what it seems. But much like a flashy confrontational t shirt slogan, Ventura has in that one instance unwittingly opened a door and slammed it in a face with a glossy, fast edited, zoomy in, computer graphiced bang.

Entertainment really has become a shiny bauble to distract you from the pickpockets. It is the enemy of art.

Alex Jones is another example of a "face" to fit the new entertainment cycle of topics. The problem again is here we have real issues and topics that need to be explored and this is where I give Ventura real credit and is the only good thing to come from these programmes was at the end of the 911 programme when impassioned and steadfast he confronts the press who try to harangue him over his views and he tells them that he is an ordianary citizen just trying to do the job that they have neglected, ie. investigative journalism.

I understand your viewpoint and respect it, but I have to disagree with your overall judgement of Ventura's impact on the populace.

You have to remember that, often times, preaching to the choir is something which is done very often in an unintended fashion through the marginalized or non-mainstream media forums such as Project Camelot, Prison Planet, Media Conscious Network, etc. but try to think back to what it was that first got you into some of these areas of interest in the first place- something had to pique your interest. I'm willing to bet that, at the very least, thousands of people first visit such sites after encountering an overly brief and topical exposure to a particular area of interest for them, and that was enough to catalyze them and trigger them on their own quest or journey. And it's better that it's brief and topical, that it does not capture the full depth of the topic- all the more impetus for the seeker to pursue this on his/her own, in their own fashion.

Jesse Ventura is not a final word, but he is a springboard for many who need just the right trigger released in their mind, and he does his work within a framework that many of us gave up hope on long ago, the mainstream media. It does not need to be a perfected art for him; in fact, the more sculpted and articulated his message, the more in-depth- the more likely to lose the interest of the many who are still entranced and deeply conditioned at a subconcious level and will find it to be too wide a gap to close in their minds. I applaud him for his efforts, I would not have the patience to deal within that framework as he does, and his rudimentary fashion is exactly what is most needed to be effective at that level.

The teacher you draw into your experience is usually the one that you are capable of having and learning from: for some it is Alex Jones, for some David Icke, for some Bill and Kerry, etc. Just as it's been said that the "lie is different at every level' it's also correct that the truth is also different at every level- there is no point in trying to invalidate someone's truth as it is a deeply personal and relative experience- just as what is considered moral and correct in one culture is considered amoral and abhorrent within another culture, truth is also relative and respective of the consciousness of the individual or group.

[nameless]

Originally Posted by quetzalcoatl11

I understand your viewpoint and respect it, but I have to disagree with your overall judgement of Ventura's impact on the populace.

You have to remember that, often times, preaching to the choir is something which is done very often in an unintended fashion through the marginalized or non-mainstream media forums such as Project Camelot, Prison Planet, Media Conscious Network, etc. but try to think back to what it was that first got you into some of these areas of interest in the first place- something had to pique your interest. I'm willing to bet that, at the very least, thousands of people first visit such sites after encountering an overly brief and topical exposure to a particular area of interest for them, and that was enough to catalyze them and trigger them on their own quest or journey. And it's better that it's brief and topical, that it does not capture the full depth of the topic- all the more impetus for the seeker to pursue this on his/her own, in their own fashion.

Jesse Ventura is not a final word, but he is a springboard for many who need just the right trigger released in their mind, and he does his work within a framework that many of us gave up hope on long ago, the mainstream media. It does not need to be a perfected art for him; in fact, the more sculpted and articulated his message, the more in-depth- the more likely to lose the interest of the many who are still entranced and deeply conditioned at a subconcious level and will find it to be too wide a gap to close in their minds. I applaud him for his efforts, I would not have the patience to deal within that framework as he does, and his rudimentary fashion is exactly what is most needed to be effective at that level.

I think your points are pertinent and quite true. However I think in this case he is doing more harm and good. I understand a spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down but this is sachrine processed syrup. Look at the way its hot, the confrontational aspect of his "interactins" the crass naff round the table investigative cop show table thumping, c'mon , please. Shown to a bunch of neaderthralls, the message is sullied, you are taking a topic which is important and showing it in a dramatic way, you are confusing the viwer into thinking this reality is another fantasy. you cant make entertainment out of real topics. These programmes are entertaining, they are satisfying and push the right buttons. Ventura is giving people what they want, not what they need. Thats the difference. The problem predominantly being the medium overweighing the message.

[robyn]

So true.

I was talking to a dear friend recently and mentioned that a 125 foot airplane could not have made an 18 foot hole in the Pentagon. He was skeptical. He also had a hard time wrapping his mind around the fact that all the info given in the days after 9/11 about the Pentagon et al was false. He asked me what I thought could have happend, and I purposely kept it vague, saying that it looks like maybe someone didn't do their job and there was a lot of ass convering going on.

But, really, I asked him, how can a 125 ft jet make a 125+ ft hole in the World Trade Center and a similar 125 ft jet make only an 18 ft hole in the Pentagon? Could the wings disolve into nothing just before impact?

Jesse is doing a good job and reaching an audience that is ready for him. Many will find him way too controversial -- like my friend. I keep trying and dropping little bits of info here and there. Someday it will all coalesce and another one will wake up, I hope. Questioning authority is all part of the process.

Jesse Ventura is not a final word, but he is a springboard for many who need just the right trigger released in their mind, and he does his work within a framework that many of us gave up hope on long ago, the mainstream media. It does not need to be a perfected art for him; in fact, the more sculpted and articulated his message, the more in-depth- the more likely to lose the interest of the many who are still entranced and deeply conditioned at a subconcious level and will find it to be too wide a gap to close in their minds. I applaud him for his efforts, I would not have the patience to deal within that framework as he does, and his rudimentary fashion is exactly what is most needed to be effective at that level.