Resting on the Plateau's

Céline · 03-08-2010, 05:34 PM

Thank You MyPlanet2 for allowing this thread..

This is my truth..

i was told by Richard to stop posting or socializing with anyone involved with the thuban council , he said he was approached by someone on the forum claiming sexual harassment. i asked who/what/where/when/why??? i was quite beside myself... Richard would tell me nothing..he said he was not able to tell me more and to just STOP posting or private chatting with abrax and group. It has created a strain between us. My family (including my avalonian family) is very important to me.. i will keep my focus on my family

Carol · 03-08-2010, 07:36 PM

Well this is a touchy issue for multiple reasons. I too have been contacted to help someone harmed in the situation. I suspect the moderators are in new territory and some possibly at a loss as to what to do. I also notice that Bill hasn't been around for a bit and indeed his input was challenged when he had something to say about the thread.

For myself I was of the opinion the thread should have remained open but given members being possibly harmed and am now confused as many of the facts revolving around the situation are not yet available. As I never read the thread in question I really have no comment on it or the author as he wasn't someone whose posts I read.

However, on one hand I'm sorry to see this sitaution take off the way it did but it is nothing compared to what the moderators went through when HD was active on the forum.

I suspect you are correct Fritz with the changing of communication styles and agree with much of what you have posted. For myself, I prefer full transparency as this seems to work best for good general mental/emotiona/spiritual health ~ in the long run. I think we all know when things are kept secret that is a time when distortions play out because folks have to guess what is going on rather then deal with facts.

The other issue is the many new members posting here and this too is a learning curve for all involved as we get to know one another. Meanwhile, the evolving communication style will be quite instructive to watch how it unfolds.

Myplanet2 · 03-08-2010, 08:01 PM

No one wants to see anyone hurt, Carol. I don't believe anyone who's had anything to do with this wishes harm on any other. Or condones it.

An action to take down Abraxasinas and the Thuban threads would have been more remarkable by the absence of the attempt. It was a predictable thing. You could feel the waiting in ambush for the opportunity. Several other details muddy the waters enough to make them smell like rat.

1. is that I don't recall the discussion delving much into sexual archetypes until after they moved to the closet social club provided by Richard.

2. The language used in Abraxas' posts regarding sexual archetypes and his efforts to tie them into what many have described as the restoration of the feminine/masculine balance of the father/mother aspects of the creator, could easily be misconstrued as an advance. From the way he was talking, it wouldn't surprise me if he wrote someone and called her the goddess of this or that, and that he awaited her loving embrace, or some such. There's lots of that kind of language, and yeah, it could be taken as an advance. I don't know, and either does anyone else who hasn't been told. But it's easy to anticipate that a mistake could have been made. That could have happened easily. None of the other women who posted in the social group mentioned being made uncomfortable, and quite the opposite.

3. It was Richard who pulled the plug, and he as much as said he wanted that, when he posted in the Q&A thread. Can't check the language now, because the thread is gone. But Richard as much as said he meant to get rid of Abraxas.

4. At least a few of the other Mods have come out expressing concerns about how the affair of banning him and removing his threads went down.

5. Truthwillsetyoufree coming out with information of at least one private message that there was action being taken away from public view to remove Abraxasinas.

6. It was said that there were several complaints. Is no one willing to come forward and say what happened? Or is it more a matter of trumped up charges? A complaint could be a mistake. Several complaints sounds like You'd better take decisive action.

And nothing whatsoever to support the fact that something truly inappropriate occurred.

It looks like a well executed strike was carried out, and with the possibility of conspiracy to coordinate. Now that's the appearance. That's a suspicion.

I'm sure it would have been much less suspicious if one of the mod's who always remained neutral, like Morguana, would have made the announcement of what happened.

There's still a rat smell in the air, so we'll see, or we won't see. Don't mean any disrespect to anyone who may have been made to feel bad. Just don't like that rat smell and would like to see the air cleared. The room freshened a bit. No hurry. No push. just as long as they know this isn't going under any rugs unless there is nothing there to be swept.

Of course they could ban those pesky question askers. That's one way of quieting things.

Carol · 03-09-2010, 02:28 AM

Fritz, there is a lot of emotional energy over this or that these days and I'm sorry but I'm just not up for it. Right now my focus is extended on coodinating 20 other beekeepers in purchasing their hives, organizing the finances of the Farmer's Cooperative, providing therapy to those in need or just want support, rasing my own teen and putting all extra attention on building a self-sustaining homestead. All of the service I do for others is free and I'm just there to help out where I can.... just as I'm here to help out where I can.

From a merely observational point of view, I think too many folks have way too much time on their hands. I'm inside now because it's raining but did make a trip to Hilo for a medical exam and to purchase garden supplies. I just don't understand why folks prefer to invest all types of emotions in the forum drama game when that energy could be spent doing something productive where at the end of the day there is something of beauty to show for it.

Myplanet2 · 03-09-2010, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carol

there is a lot of emotional energy over this or that these days and I'm sorry but I'm just not up for it. Right now my focus is extended on coodinating 20 other beekeepers in purchasing their hives, organizing the finances of the Farmer's Cooperative, providing therapy to those in need or just want support, rasing my own teen and putting all extra attention on building a self-sustaining homestead. All of the service I do for others is free and I'm just there to help out where I can.... just as I'm here to help out where I can.

From a merely observational point of view, I think too many folks have way too much time on their hands. I'm inside now because it's raining but did make a trip to Hilo for a medical exam and to purchase garden supplies. I just don't understand why folks prefer to invest all types of emotions in the forum drama game when that energy could be spent doing something productive where at the end of the day there is something of beauty to show for it.

well, mileage on perspectives varies. I happen to think some excellent collective consciousness work occurs on forums such as this one. I don't feel I've wasted a single second here working with people in all sorts of capacities.

And not having located myself on a volcano, I don't feel much concern for many of the outside concerns others worry about.

We're playing in a micro cosm collective, which mirrors and is mirrored back to from the bigger one(s) we share. I feel good work goes on in places such as this, and that it may have more overall significance than people give it credit for.

Sure feels like template writing level work to me.

Peace of mind · 03-09-2010, 04:05 PM

This reminds me of a tiny phenomena I’ve experienced…just thought it might be fitting.

Years ago, someone slip a placard under my door.
There’s a beautiful picture of a mountain with snow and clouds at the peak and a short poem written below the picture that read…

“No one can choose your mountain
Or tell you when to climb
It’s yours alone to conquer
at your pace and time.”

This came to me at the right time in my life; till this day I still don’t know who sent it to me.
I asked everyone I know and they don’t have the slightest clue. I have it hanging in my den.

Cool thread, btw.

Peace

hippihillbobbi · 03-10-2010, 09:01 PM

[QUOTE=Peace of mind;252541]This reminds me of a tiny phenomena I’ve experienced…just thought it might be fitting.

"Years ago, someone slip a placard under my door.
There’s a beautiful picture of a mountain with snow and clouds at the peak and a short poem written below the picture that read…"

'No one can choose your mountain
Or tell you when to climb
It’s yours alone to conquer
at your pace and time.'

"This came to me at the right time in my life; till this day I still don’t know who sent it to me.
I asked everyone I know and they don’t have the slightest clue. I have it hanging in my den."

Peace and Love--

SUCH A GREAT STORY! Thanks so much -- maybe we should think about playing-this-forward. I'd LOVE to get something like that slipped under my door. SO COOL!

Carol--

I can't believe that you're on PA as much as you are -- with all those other responsibilities in your life as well. My hat-goes-off-to-you (as some here pun with Bill). I could NEVER manage to take care of all that you're doing and then come on here and post as well. you must be one of those superwomen who can "bring home the bacon & fry it up in the pan!" but it makes me sleepy thinking about it! LOL

Just teasing ..... actually i'm so jealous! thanks so much for all you do here, generous sister.

MP2--

I must say that i think your posts in this thread are seriously inspired. and i intend to take them as such. i'm sure i'll reread them at least once. thank you so much for sharing with all of us from such a deep spot. (i wonder if your messages should be called heart-thinking or mind-feeling?!?) Really, though, i'm definitely taking these messages to heart, My Planet 2, and I thank you very much for the gifts of your love, experience and way-with-words. SUCH HEALING GIFTS for our beloved community!

blessings to each of you, sisters-brothers,

hippihillbobbi

Reunite · 03-10-2010, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Céline

Thank You MyPlanet2 for allowing this thread..

This is my truth..

i was told by Richard to stop posting or socializing with anyone involved with the thuban council , he said he was approached by someone on the forum claiming sexual harassment. i asked who/what/where/when/why??? i was quite beside myself... Richard would tell me nothing..he said he was not able to tell me more and to just STOP posting or private chatting with abrax and group. It has created a strain between us. My family (including my avalonian family) is very important to me.. i will keep my focus on my family

Your husband has more of an alliance to this forum than your marriage????

Oh my

hippihillbobbi · 03-10-2010, 10:27 PM

Sweet Sister Celine--

I'm so sorry to learn that this recent brouhaha re: Abraxas, etc. has caused you even MORE pain than i realized. you are so sensitive, darling. please remember that "all is as it should be." for us here at PC/PA -- the recent crisis here will have a healing and strengthening effect for each of us and, i sincerely hope, for both PC and PA as well. and, in the same way, "all shall be well" with you in your marriage and family. i'm not making any specific predictions ..... only saying that the Goodness and Generosity of All-That-Is is SO comprehensive, that She-He uses every single thing in your life (especially things of such magnitude as struggles with your husband, family, and spiritual family) to help you keep growing until you are able continually to see yourself as PERFECTLY beautiful as He-She sees you!

You and Richard have given SO MUCH time, energy, and love to this community. Noone is perfect here...not mods, not any of us. But i for one am grateful to both of you for your devotion to PC/PA, and i know that this gift of yours is certainly honored by our good God.

I love you, dearest Celine. Please remember that "This and all manner of things shall be well."

love,
hippihill

03-08-2010, 05:34 PM	#1
Céline Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,285	Re: Resting on the Plateau's Thank You MyPlanet2 for allowing this thread.. This is my truth.. i was told by Richard to stop posting or socializing with anyone involved with the thuban council , he said he was approached by someone on the forum claiming sexual harassment. i asked who/what/where/when/why??? i was quite beside myself... Richard would tell me nothing..he said he was not able to tell me more and to just STOP posting or private chatting with abrax and group. It has created a strain between us. My family (including my avalonian family) is very important to me.. i will keep my focus on my family

03-08-2010, 07:36 PM	#2
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: Resting on the Plateau's Well this is a touchy issue for multiple reasons. I too have been contacted to help someone harmed in the situation. I suspect the moderators are in new territory and some possibly at a loss as to what to do. I also notice that Bill hasn't been around for a bit and indeed his input was challenged when he had something to say about the thread. For myself I was of the opinion the thread should have remained open but given members being possibly harmed and am now confused as many of the facts revolving around the situation are not yet available. As I never read the thread in question I really have no comment on it or the author as he wasn't someone whose posts I read. However, on one hand I'm sorry to see this sitaution take off the way it did but it is nothing compared to what the moderators went through when HD was active on the forum. I suspect you are correct Fritz with the changing of communication styles and agree with much of what you have posted. For myself, I prefer full transparency as this seems to work best for good general mental/emotiona/spiritual health ~ in the long run. I think we all know when things are kept secret that is a time when distortions play out because folks have to guess what is going on rather then deal with facts. The other issue is the many new members posting here and this too is a learning curve for all involved as we get to know one another. Meanwhile, the evolving communication style will be quite instructive to watch how it unfolds. __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198

03-08-2010, 08:01 PM	#3
Myplanet2 In The Mists Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,133	Re: Resting on the Plateau's No one wants to see anyone hurt, Carol. I don't believe anyone who's had anything to do with this wishes harm on any other. Or condones it. An action to take down Abraxasinas and the Thuban threads would have been more remarkable by the absence of the attempt. It was a predictable thing. You could feel the waiting in ambush for the opportunity. Several other details muddy the waters enough to make them smell like rat. 1. is that I don't recall the discussion delving much into sexual archetypes until after they moved to the closet social club provided by Richard. 2. The language used in Abraxas' posts regarding sexual archetypes and his efforts to tie them into what many have described as the restoration of the feminine/masculine balance of the father/mother aspects of the creator, could easily be misconstrued as an advance. From the way he was talking, it wouldn't surprise me if he wrote someone and called her the goddess of this or that, and that he awaited her loving embrace, or some such. There's lots of that kind of language, and yeah, it could be taken as an advance. I don't know, and either does anyone else who hasn't been told. But it's easy to anticipate that a mistake could have been made. That could have happened easily. None of the other women who posted in the social group mentioned being made uncomfortable, and quite the opposite. 3. It was Richard who pulled the plug, and he as much as said he wanted that, when he posted in the Q&A thread. Can't check the language now, because the thread is gone. But Richard as much as said he meant to get rid of Abraxas. 4. At least a few of the other Mods have come out expressing concerns about how the affair of banning him and removing his threads went down. 5. Truthwillsetyoufree coming out with information of at least one private message that there was action being taken away from public view to remove Abraxasinas. 6. It was said that there were several complaints. Is no one willing to come forward and say what happened? Or is it more a matter of trumped up charges? A complaint could be a mistake. Several complaints sounds like You'd better take decisive action. And nothing whatsoever to support the fact that something truly inappropriate occurred. It looks like a well executed strike was carried out, and with the possibility of conspiracy to coordinate. Now that's the appearance. That's a suspicion. I'm sure it would have been much less suspicious if one of the mod's who always remained neutral, like Morguana, would have made the announcement of what happened. There's still a rat smell in the air, so we'll see, or we won't see. Don't mean any disrespect to anyone who may have been made to feel bad. Just don't like that rat smell and would like to see the air cleared. The room freshened a bit. No hurry. No push. just as long as they know this isn't going under any rugs unless there is nothing there to be swept. Of course they could ban those pesky question askers. That's one way of quieting things. Last edited by Myplanet2; 03-08-2010 at 08:06 PM.

03-09-2010, 02:28 AM	#4
Carol Project Avalon Hero Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Big Island, Hawaii Posts: 2,008	Re: Resting on the Plateau's Fritz, there is a lot of emotional energy over this or that these days and I'm sorry but I'm just not up for it. Right now my focus is extended on coodinating 20 other beekeepers in purchasing their hives, organizing the finances of the Farmer's Cooperative, providing therapy to those in need or just want support, rasing my own teen and putting all extra attention on building a self-sustaining homestead. All of the service I do for others is free and I'm just there to help out where I can.... just as I'm here to help out where I can. From a merely observational point of view, I think too many folks have way too much time on their hands. I'm inside now because it's raining but did make a trip to Hilo for a medical exam and to purchase garden supplies. I just don't understand why folks prefer to invest all types of emotions in the forum drama game when that energy could be spent doing something productive where at the end of the day there is something of beauty to show for it. __________________ Aloha, thank you, do jeh, toda, arigato, merci, grazie, salamat po, gracias, tack, sukria, danke schoen, kiitos, dank u, mahalo nui loa Images to nourish the spirit: http://mistsofavalon.invisionplus.ne...&showtopic=198

03-09-2010, 04:05 PM	#6
Peace of mind Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The uncharted consciousness Posts: 311	Re: Resting on the Plateau's This reminds me of a tiny phenomena I’ve experienced…just thought it might be fitting. Years ago, someone slip a placard under my door. There’s a beautiful picture of a mountain with snow and clouds at the peak and a short poem written below the picture that read… “No one can choose your mountain Or tell you when to climb It’s yours alone to conquer at your pace and time.” This came to me at the right time in my life; till this day I still don’t know who sent it to me. I asked everyone I know and they don’t have the slightest clue. I have it hanging in my den. Cool thread, btw. Peace

03-10-2010, 09:01 PM	#7
hippihillbobbi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Oak Ridge, Tennessee, USA Posts: 120	Re: Resting on the Plateau's [QUOTE=Peace of mind;252541]This reminds me of a tiny phenomena I’ve experienced…just thought it might be fitting. "Years ago, someone slip a placard under my door. There’s a beautiful picture of a mountain with snow and clouds at the peak and a short poem written below the picture that read…" 'No one can choose your mountain Or tell you when to climb It’s yours alone to conquer at your pace and time.' "This came to me at the right time in my life; till this day I still don’t know who sent it to me. I asked everyone I know and they don’t have the slightest clue. I have it hanging in my den." Peace and Love-- SUCH A GREAT STORY! Thanks so much -- maybe we should think about playing-this-forward. I'd LOVE to get something like that slipped under my door. SO COOL! Carol-- I can't believe that you're on PA as much as you are -- with all those other responsibilities in your life as well. My hat-goes-off-to-you (as some here pun with Bill). I could NEVER manage to take care of all that you're doing and then come on here and post as well. you must be one of those superwomen who can "bring home the bacon & fry it up in the pan!" but it makes me sleepy thinking about it! LOL Just teasing ..... actually i'm so jealous! thanks so much for all you do here, generous sister. MP2-- I must say that i think your posts in this thread are seriously inspired. and i intend to take them as such. i'm sure i'll reread them at least once. thank you so much for sharing with all of us from such a deep spot. (i wonder if your messages should be called heart-thinking or mind-feeling?!?) Really, though, i'm definitely taking these messages to heart, My Planet 2, and I thank you very much for the gifts of your love, experience and way-with-words. SUCH HEALING GIFTS for our beloved community! blessings to each of you, sisters-brothers, hippihillbobbi Last edited by hippihillbobbi; 03-10-2010 at 09:13 PM.

03-10-2010, 10:27 PM	#9
hippihillbobbi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Oak Ridge, Tennessee, USA Posts: 120	Re: Resting on the Plateau's Sweet Sister Celine-- I'm so sorry to learn that this recent brouhaha re: Abraxas, etc. has caused you even MORE pain than i realized. you are so sensitive, darling. please remember that "all is as it should be." for us here at PC/PA -- the recent crisis here will have a healing and strengthening effect for each of us and, i sincerely hope, for both PC and PA as well. and, in the same way, "all shall be well" with you in your marriage and family. i'm not making any specific predictions ..... only saying that the Goodness and Generosity of All-That-Is is SO comprehensive, that She-He uses every single thing in your life (especially things of such magnitude as struggles with your husband, family, and spiritual family) to help you keep growing until you are able continually to see yourself as PERFECTLY beautiful as He-She sees you! You and Richard have given SO MUCH time, energy, and love to this community. Noone is perfect here...not mods, not any of us. But i for one am grateful to both of you for your devotion to PC/PA, and i know that this gift of yours is certainly honored by our good God. I love you, dearest Celine. Please remember that "This and all manner of things shall be well." love, hippihill Last edited by hippihillbobbi; 03-10-2010 at 10:33 PM.

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