Do you believe in UFOs?

[eagle]

Originally Posted by Genisis

I myself have had some very up-close, personal encounters with UFOs, which included a great amount of "high-strangeness"
that came along after those close encounters.

Once you encounter a UFO...it changes everything....including yourself.


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Yes, I have read many cases. They're all fascinating.

Do you know why all the crafts are different shapes and sizes?

Did you encounter an alien? If so, what were they like?

Was the ship disk shaped? cigar? triangular? other?

[Genisis]

I dont have any clue why they are all different shapes and sizes.


My encounters included...(all within a 2-year period):
*4 Triangle encounters (seperate ocassions)
*White Cigar-shaped tubular craft
*White what I can only describe as white mass of energy...numerous ocassions

I can't say I have ever seen an alien. However, I have encountered the infamous black slanted eyes...(3 figures) but I honestly still can't say it was alien.


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[Pegasus_22]

Heck yes I do! However, I also believe majority of the so-called UFO phenomena originates from earth; government craft and some ET craft from below the earth. Aren't these kind of topics better suited for ATS forums?

[eagle]

Deltas are man-made IMO: TR3B, and similar.

My opinion at this time is that many saucers are man-made of German origin, later us origin.
Good run down on German hoax/myth/reality:
http://greyfalcon.us/German%20UFOs.htm

Very good investigative research:
http://www.americanantigravity.com/d...-Interview.pdf

In my opinion, some of the early pictures of saucers are quite crude in design. These MUST be man made, if I were to guess. As the decades progressed, the designs have become sleeker. Is this not interesting how it coincides with man's progression in industry?

This is NOT to say that there have not been landings of aliens, or even the tech was gotten from them. There seem to be plenty of examples.

One of the most interesting is the 1994 Zimbabwe incident involving school children. Why would they lie? (pysops?) It would be interesting to discuss with them now.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case127.htm

[ForsakenFalcon]

with the jump room theorie aside, they say they can bend light, now that could mean anything realy but I think if You were to bend light from point A to point B and bend it to a complete 360 circle theoriticaly if You then went backwards in time You move from Point A to B in the most minimal time possible.

by the way Bill isn't it ment to be 58 known spicies that have visisted us? =P

[Kiluminati]

Originally Posted by eagle

Do you know why all the crafts are different shapes and sizes?

I would've been rather suprised if all the craft had similar shapes. If you can imagine that there are different alien races out there, it seems logical that they have developed a wide array of craft types. (just like our different modes of transport) Mixed in with human crafts and variations on different craft types (like our different car-designs), I think it would seem rather odd if people only spotted one type of craft.

[spacemuzic]

Everytime I look up at the night sky recently I see 'flying stars' not sure what they are, but there are loads everytime I look.

[Kate]

spacemuzic..where are u based in UK that the sky is so clear u can see anything atall?
I have seen nothing but damn cloud n rain n greyness for weeks....ohh for the chance of seeing a twinkling star..let alone the chance of spotting a UFO!! lol

on a serious note, yes i do believe...and infact have a deep suspicion i have been a contactee on some level....just dont want to deal with any trauma of memories thru regression, so i just keep watching the skies instead!!

Yes. I 've always believed in UFO's. We can't possibly be the only ones out here.

Moonbright

well i so want to believe in Ufo's.. the ones with actual alien species traveling in them... But there are many secret government projects and who's to say the ufos's we see are not one of our own species creations. I mean weren't they created by the Germans "long ago" in use for the world war? ???
I want to believe there are 'real ufos' -- i need to see it to believe it and often i find myself pondering up at the sky in search for these mysterious creations. i hope i will see the truth soon.. october 14 perhaps as foretold by many ppl--visionaries.

anyways.. love to you all and ppl we need to make an effort to save ourselves. yes we can have a mentality of positivity about what is to occur in the days to come but it is better to be safe than sorry so.. please stock up on food and emergency supplies!

~IronWoman

[Greg10036]

Yes I believe UFOs are real, though I cannot say they are definitely 'unidentified'. We now have a pretty good idea what they are. Some are Terran technology, others are off world technology. It does not seem to make much of a difference when looking at technology well beyond the present state of affairs, as to who made it. What about the biologic science behind such technology and the philosophy of its creators? There are so many implications to this type of science and the social structure behind it. Interesting, exciting, and boggling. The public sector is a long way off from obtaining the use of this type of technology. Just knowing it exists is the first step. Love and Peace.
Greg

[Jacqui D]

Yes i had my first sight at the age of 7 in 1960, i regulary saw them as a child.
The early 80's was another abundant era.
Have to say my last was now around 10 or 11 years ago,i feel there technology has moved on they cloak themselves today but i know they are still around.
My sister saw one in1955 a well known sighting, around 60 witnesses also saw it in Belvedere Kent england.
The witnesses were all hounded down by military asking various questions etc, my sister being a kid run off.
A famous ufo investigator Magaret Fry is quite old today in her 70's is still looking for the kids who witnessed it.
My sister has often wondered why she still insists interviewing these kids surely after all these years she would have all the information she needs.
unless of course my sister and her friends saw something there were not meant to.
We have also wondered if this was a false flag so to speak could the military have instigated this ufo sighting and was it a mass mind control experiment.

[Cookie]

When I was 5, I thought they were Casper the Friendly Ghost coming out of my closet at night. I can remember being led by the hand by a little 'ghost'. When I got a little older, I became very frightened of them. The older I got, the angrier I got! In December of 1991, I "came to" standing outside barefoot at night. I was watching a very low cloud across the street from my front yard. The cloud was almost at roof level. It was lighted up from the inside and had 3 lazar white lights coming out of it. They moved independently around the roof tops and trees. There was a 'person' standing behind me and I can remember telling them that I'd better not tell my son about this because it would scare him. I felt like I knew the 'person' I was talking too....and of course..after that, high strangeness ensued later in the day....

[Cookie]

Genisis said...I myself have had some very up-close, personal encounters with UFOs, which included a great amount of "high-strangeness"
that came along after those close encounters.

Once you encounter a UFO...it changes everything....including yourself.

I've also experienced "high-strangeness"... impossible things, terrifying and ridiculous at the same time... It does change everything, especially how one relates to 'reality'...

[Hiram]

On the question of how do they travel...in a mere 100 years we have gone from horse and buggy to Hypersonic scram-jets (maybe with some help of course). When you are dealing with beings that may have had a considerably longer amount of time to develop (perhaps thousands or hundreds of thousands of years) it seems reasonable to assume that they have surmounted any of our limited conceptions of physics.

Arthur C Clarke said "Any technology of sufficient advancement will at first apppear to be magic." This is true. It doesn't make it magic...but it certainly will appear that way.

On the question of various shapes, it seems logical that many of these strange objects are indeed made here on Earth by mankind. The evidence points to it in many cases. Yet when dealing with objects, or craft from other dimensions or galaxies or who knows where, we have to throw out all of our conceptions of what is "normal" or what "should be". The phenomenon has shown us nothing besides that it will confound our preconceptions and expectations. There even may be some level of conscious interaction between the observer and the observed. Jaques Vallee documents this extensively.

Although these questions of well how could Aliens have come here if there is "such and such" limitation are natural, once you have addressed them it's more productive to begin listening to some of the people who have some insight into these questions. Its the only thing you are eventually left with

[eagle]

Originally Posted by Kiluminati

I would've been rather suprised if all the craft had similar shapes. If you can imagine that there are different alien races out there, it seems logical that they have developed a wide array of craft types. (just like our different modes of transport) Mixed in with human crafts and variations on different craft types (like our different car-designs), I think it would seem rather odd if people only spotted one type of craft.

I have a tough time with 57 races with 57 times X craft types, and not one of them has ended up on close up encounter and on youtube.

I'd believe half a dozen or less.

The other odd item is the advancement of the shapes over 50 years. Aliens would be 1000 years ahead, and set for the most part in space types/shapes.

No, I still think some human tinkerers are responsible for most of the sightings.

[majorlee]

I BELIEVE!

infinite amounts of races with infinite amounts of craft....only thing is that earth is most likely quarrentined!

think there is a big sign on the DARK side of the moon (thats why it dont rotate hehe)

DANGER : HUMAN'S - WILL KILL IF DIFFERENT OR ALIKE
PROCEED WITH EXTREME CAUTION AND CLOAKS!


They let a few in now and again and show themselves, keep us thinking and pondering

but the majority could possibly be explained by test flights of new human techs

[Average Joe]

57 species?

IMO, this is just fantasy.

We are a blue speck in an incomprehensibly vast universe, of trillions of stars and who knows how many planets.

Whilst I accept that there is likely to be life all over, and I accept that we have been/are being visited (without any concrete evidence I might add), I just cannot accept that 57 species are here. This just goes too far beyond my envelope of belief.

I'll try and explain why, with a dash of common sense.

There may be inummerable races out there but there are inummerable planets. And people think as many as 57 visit our tiny blue dot? Out of all the other stars and planets to visit? I don't think so.

Most of them will not know we even exist, and whilst the "local neighbours" might know of us and visit us, once you get into the vast expanses, then really we'd be pretty much undetactable.

Also, the more you buy into the universe teeming with life theory, the likelyhood of a multitude of races visiting us would appear to increase, however conversely by definition a universe teeming with life gives a hell of a lot of other planets with life for interstellar travellers to visit, thus decreasing our chances of being visited by many races.

My personal opinion, I can't prove it of course, is that I suspect we have been visited by one or two races, more than likely closer neighbours who a) have more chance of discovering us and b) would be more likely to have an interest in our planet and what we're up to.

I can't prove this of course, its just my belief, but I certainly don't expect to see proof of 57 races any time soon. To me, its just not reality.

My suspicion is that it is dreamers who overlaying our own sense of self importance into the equation....we think we are important, therefore we must be being visited by loads of races, such is our importance.

Also, as an aside, I don't know how vast the black Government is, but has anybody thought of just how much manpower it would take for them to identify, communicate and catalogue 57 species? Along with all of the other so called projects? And lets face it, they are alledgedly up to thousands of secret projects that all would take major manpower. You'd surely be talking about a massive organisation of maybe millions to be able to do all the things this black Government is supposed to be doing...alien identification being a tiny drop in the ocean, yet a massive job in itself. Where is the manpower?

We need to apply common sense and we need to ask these questions, and when you do that, then the idea of 57 races visiting or blue dot becomes more and more unlikely, laughable even.

Its science fiction to me.

[Kate]

heya Joe...I think it might be possible due to the combination of DENSITY ( vibrational rate?) and dimensions....these entities/beings are unlikely to be just from our own galaxy... have u seen www.disclosureproject.com ? illustrates some of the testimonies of whistleblowers from inside the various 'industries... My question back is, WHY would so many professionals of high standing and top credentials put their lives/incomes/careers in such jeopardy ?? do you seriously think there are so many talented intelligent people all over the world with top secret clearances who are all suffering an extreme form of 'delusion'?? I would think not.

We need to keep in mind that anyone drafted in on any secret project has to sign away their life/freedom of speech on these matters...they risk imprisonment..or death...this is very serious!

You do sound a very bright person who is right to question everything...but there is a wealth of top information out there in the domain now, which will substantiate these claims of so many current visitors...
anyway, its all good stuff to debate...

all the best!

on another note, the film 'golden compass' depicts subtly what is being discussed/disclosed

[Average Joe]

I accept your opinion that some vistors may not be from this Galaxy/dimension, but to be honest, visitors from other galaxies would be relatively improbable. Not impossible, but improbable IMO. Realistically how would they even find Earth in an alien galaxy when their own galaxy will have trillions of planets to discover?

Maybe I'm wrong but I just can't comprehend it.

As for the wealth of information, well again, you know, people tell lies, there are lots of mentally ill people, there is disinformation.

Official secrets act, whistleblowers etc, people coming forward with "credible information", due to the nature of a secret government these people must be a tiny, tiny percentage of the secret society, and therefore, assuming most operatives dare not speak out, then the organisation must be unimaginably massive!.....and lets face it, for them to get up to even 10% of what they are supposed to be up to, they'd need massive manpower.

How can so much manpower be so well shielded from civilians is a question I often ask. These people are not superhuman, and if they are we are in deep trouble.

I'm open to the idea of black ops, secret governments, alien visitations and all that, but I just don't think it is on the scale that a lot of people think.

I think people need to look at the bigger picture and do the math.

[Kate]

[QUOTE=Average Joe;3686]I accept your opinion that some vistors may not be from this Galaxy/dimension, but to be honest, visitors from other galaxies would be relatively improbable. Not impossible, but improbable IMO. Realistically how would they even find Earth in an alien galaxy when their own galaxy will have trillions of planets to discover?

Maybe I'm wrong but I just can't comprehend it.

As for the wealth of information, well again, you know, people tell lies, there are lots of mentally ill people, there is disinformation.

Official secrets act, whistleblowers etc, people coming forward with "credible information", due to the nature of a secret government these people must be a tiny, tiny percentage of the secret society, and therefore, assuming most operatives dare not speak out, then the organisation must be unimaginably massive!.....and lets face it, for them to get up to even 10% of what they are supposed to be up to, they'd need massive manpower.

How can so much manpower be so well shielded from civilians is a question I often ask. These people are not superhuman, and if they are we are in deep trouble.



well Joe, i guess it is all a matter of perspective for sure! however, i believe the 'shielding' of so much secrecy is totally possible/probable when u start looking into the freemasons ..up to level 33 that is 'official' the grand lodges are packed with the highest of the high in all areas of society around the globe.... the secrets start there...and there is a pay off for people to keep their mouths shut...even if they havent signed any military documents...its called 'massive egos and thirst for power and knowledge!'

if u are truly interested in looking in depth at all the elements of the bigger picture/puzzle them email me privately with ur contact details and i will happily post you my collection of 'top' documentaries/videos that bring it all together alot clearer than i can ever possibly hope to convey here ! lol

[Average Joe]

Thanks for the offer but having enough time to get through all that information is a problem at the moment. I've spent far too much time in the last few weeks really digging into all these different forums and sites, following links to other places and you tube etc, and I think my head is going to explode.

Be safe firehorse

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I would asume most people on here are way beyong this question.

[SoldierOfTruth808]

At this point, id be a totally closed minded idiot to not believe that just about anything is possible. Shoot....Humans surprise me everyday with the things they say and do. Did you guys know that in 2005 a japanese inventor created a robotic exo skeleton that makes you 10X stronger than your natural strength? Might be old news to some of you...I just found that s*** out a few months ago! I grew up watching movies and cartoons and TV shows about man driving robot suits. Thinking theres no way that could really happen and now, its a reality. Anything is possible, I have to believe at least that.

[Gnosis5]

In our own research we are starting to contact more and more aspects of the 4th dimension and beings still in the 4th dimension.

Our reality is that long ago there was a huge upset and disagreement as many of us decided to leave the 4thD and get along in the 3D. There are those in the 4thD who decided to teach us a lesson and mess with us all in the 3D.

A specific example, while we were doing research we came across a 4thD being who called himself "Haleeb". Back in time he worked to get 3D beings to restrict their vision to two eyes in front of the head. When we initiated a communication he at first was very huffy and we persisted until he offered up the reason for his upset and we explained our position to him and he lightened up and even agreed to help us "poor 3D" beings to transition into the 4thD. He said he would do it by teaching us in our dreams. We noticed that he had no reality of the 5thD or of any higher spiritual states except as some distant rumour.

www.scribd.com has some good primers on the 4th dimension if anyone wishes to get themselves oriented ahead of time.

Originally Posted by firehorse10

heya Joe...I think it might be possible due to the combination of DENSITY ( vibrational rate?) and dimensions....these entities/beings are unlikely to be just from our own galaxy... have u seen www.disclosureproject.com ? illustrates some of the testimonies of whistleblowers from inside the various 'industries... My question back is, WHY would so many professionals of high standing and top credentials put their lives/incomes/careers in such jeopardy ?? do you seriously think there are so many talented intelligent people all over the world with top secret clearances who are all suffering an extreme form of 'delusion'?? I would think not.

We need to keep in mind that anyone drafted in on any secret project has to sign away their life/freedom of speech on these matters...they risk imprisonment..or death...this is very serious!

You do sound a very bright person who is right to question everything...but there is a wealth of top information out there in the domain now, which will substantiate these claims of so many current visitors...
anyway, its all good stuff to debate...

all the best!

on another note, the film 'golden compass' depicts subtly what is being discussed/disclosed