Hillary to Be President

[John aka#404]

Originally Posted by Mary Lou

Here you go John:

Born in the U.S.A.

FactCheck: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed?

Obama's Birth Certificate

I question everything and will continue to do so. The above site and that which they post, I question.
Philip Berg and his site and his motives, I question. Barack Obama, I question. The breathable air
on the moon, I question (OMG, did I just type that... oh oh)

I am not posting here to try and prove who is right or wrong... I have no clue who is telling the truth
here, but would like to know. If a majority of people think I am nuts to question Obama, it is fine -
I have the right to be nuts and question everything in life. My post above, I made an observation on a
possible scenario IF it is true (and I say IF again) that Obama is not a natural born citizen. That was
all and I apologize for not making that clear there.

I have a hard time giving Obama the benefit of the doubt when not once has any of this been recognized
publicly. And taking "factcheck.org" as the end all-be all on this subject... I am sorry but they are not
the ones applying to be President. They are a facilitator.... a distractor.

Until all of the laundry comes out, the key on all of this FOR ME is Obama's and the DNC's silence.

If Obama ends up proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is truly a natural born citizen of the
U.S... great -- upon which, I will continue to question.

-John
PS. Question#2 -- Obama's use of NLP
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I freaking hope not, but click on the link below to find out how this could actually happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

Is Obama really a US citizen?

[Karen]

From the discussions I've heard, I think on the Alex Jones show, I'm convinced that Obama was born in Kenya (testimony from a relative, Kenyan grandmother if I recall correctly) and did not have 2 USA citizen parents at the time of his birth, and his mother probably did not do the proper procedure when returning to live in the USA the second time ... and thus Obama is not eligible to be president of the USA.

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by John aka#404

If Obama ends up proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is truly a natural born citizen of the
U.S... great -- upon which, I will continue to question.

Do you ever question your own motives?

He provided proof of citizenship. When are you going to get over it?

Stop spreading disinformation for the PTB.

[John aka#404]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

Do you ever question your own motives?

He provided proof of citizenship. When are you going to get over it?

Stop spreading disinformation for the PTB.

(mod hat off here)

??

Never seen a paycheck my friend.

Get over it ? I will.... when they all stop lying.

Obama has not proven anything. Only cronies running around trying to shut things down. In my view the actions of people that have something to hide.

Go and read all of the legal documents. Believing sites that are funded by Obama's campaign most likely have a bias.
NOW... I have no clue what is true. I just want to know what it is. So far, nothing has been proven to me. Just cover
up. The recent Surrick decision does not surprise me. It's wait and see now on the Supreme Court.

When all is said and done, I want to hear the truth... if my perception is wrong then fine... I will reap the consequences then. Living a life of not questioning everything means a life of ignorance and zero growth.

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[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by John aka#404

(mod hat off here)
Go and read all of the legal documents. Believing sites that are funded by Obama's campaign most likely have a bias.
NOW... I have no clue what is true. I just want to know what it is. So far, nothing has been proven to me. Just cover
up. The recent Surrick decision does not surprise me. It's wait and see now on the Supreme Court.

FactCheck is not funded by Obama's campaign. You're drawing parallels that don't exist, friend.

You can delude yourself into being scared of everything forever if that's what you really want. I won't stop you.

You strike me as someone who needs personal proof of anything you question, then when presented with that proof, you deny reality once more just so you can hold on to your fears.

Ask yourself if the imminent Supreme Court decision upholding Obama's citizenship would really convince you anyway. Or will it just provide another brick in your wall of paranoia and delusions?

Good luck in the days ahead.

[John aka#404]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

FactCheck is not funded by Obama's campaign. You're drawing parallels that don't exist, friend.

I will take some time the next few days to get some backup on this. If I prove myself
wrong, so be it. I was basing my comment on what has been put forth regarding
Obama's affiliation with the Annenburg Foundation. "Follow the money" is the best tool
for any researcher. But again, I will dig some more. I want to know the truth my friend.

Just my own addition...
I have not posted here because I am an "Obama disliker". I just do not understand why
it is so difficult for somebody applying to the highest position in office to put this to bed by
showing his birth certificate and making Berg look like a fool. Something smells funny
every time delay or distraction occurs.

I am not trying to prove Berg right or think Obama is a criminal. I just want to know why the
side-stepping, why the diversions ?

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

You can delude yourself into being scared of everything forever if that's what you really want. I won't stop you.

I have read the above a few times over and do not understand where this came from.
I said I question everything. It is who I am. As far as "fearing everything forever"... used
to ages ago until I woke up.

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

You strike me as someone who needs personal proof of anything you question, then when presented with that proof, you deny reality once more just so you can hold on to your fears.

I do not see what is wrong with desiring personal proof. If somebody comes up to
me and says "this is proof, believe it" and it just doesn't resonate with me why am I
expected to just accept it ? To me that is how religion works. Been there, done that.

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

Ask yourself if the imminent Supreme Court decision upholding Obama's citizenship would really convince you anyway. Or will it just provide another brick in your wall of paranoia and delusions?

Ok let's play it then:

* Supreme Court dismisses Berg's appeal. I already expect this because the system is
corrupt. Interesting development today that the Governor of Hawaii "sealed" Obama
birth certificate ?? What is that all about ? A part of me wonders if the only way the truth
will come out on all of this is by all of us seeing the tactics used. Wait and see.

* OR, Supreme Court finds Berg's lawsuit in order and it goes further -- be it that Obama
proves his citizenship (good for everybody) or not (possible constitutional crisis depending
when this happens if it does).

Now with all that being said, I do not trust those put in power plain in simple. Call it
paranoia or delusional, fine. I call it being true to myself and listening to my heart.

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

Good luck in the days ahead.

And to you as well.

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[EDIT]
Eli, just read your post regarding the Washington Times article. I figured you may
re-link here. Interesting report.

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[Waterman]

Thanks folks for the discussion.

As truth seekers, we navigate around the seen and anticipate the holes over the hill we cannot see.

Experiences help us predict the chuck holes in the road before we go over the hill. And if that hole is big enough an entire car full of people will disappear, needlessly.

If it is a military leader doesn't anticipate properly an entire division can be slaughtered needlessly.

Any idiot can lead an army into battle .....once.

So, learn from your experiences. Is your federal government looking out for the american people?

My experience says the media, and corrupted government will lead the entire nation into a boxed canyon for destruction.

My experience tells me, there is probably very very few in this entire forum that believes that our national leadership is looking out for the people of America.

With that said why would we vote for any of the media baked (yes baked) candidates. We have been sheopled into the elections once again.

My experience tells me, the script for the hand writing on the wall is already written and we are just waiting to see who has been appointed to write the message on the wall.

It is time we take back our conscious. If you are voting, vote your conscious for your own sake, because my experience says that is all that really matters.