Jordan Maxwell - Water of Grace, Water of Life (brand new documentary...

[feeler]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

I do go along with your take on the 'ET' scam though. Not that i believe there are no ETs in the cosmos. But that the whole "ET Creators (of man) in UFOs returning to earth to save us" scenario is a deception.

According to Nassim Haramein, we are living in grace; a comet twice the size of Jupiter would have knocked the earth out of its orbit, had it not received intervention.

On the other hand, according to William Bramley in his book 'The Gods of Eden,' ETs provoked wars and spread the black plague throughout our history.

I am on the fence with this one.

-feeler

[Doom]

Originally Posted by feeler

According to Nassim Haramein, we are living in grace; a comet twice the size of Jupiter would have knocked the earth out of its orbit, had it not received intervention.

On the other hand, according to William Bramley in his book 'The Gods of Eden,' ETs provoked wars and spread the black plague throughout our history.

I am on the fence with this one.

-feeler

No offence at all meant to you feeler, but I think this is more new age junk. I mean, I could get into it specifically, but just think how ridiculous that is. None of this type of information is going to help anyone do anything to stop the new world order. It's completely false information and when you get people believing this type of stuff they are completely useless to relize and fight what is really happening cause they ar too busy worried about aliens and their imagination. Of course what is really happening is pretty insane and amazing and terrible too, but these lies put out in many conspiracy theories are 100% complete science fiction and discredit by assoiciation the truths that get mixed into conspiracy theories. Conspiracy is a huge business. Conspiracy theories are set up and funded by the PTB. All oppositions are controlled. You think they are dumb enough to let us wake up with such ease? It goes much deeper than most think. The CIA is heavily involved in conjuring up consipiracies and perputating them to the public. Conspiracy theory is basically just a new genre of science fiction and predictive programming. People want to believe the fantastic, so they are given it.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Doom

No offence at all meant to you feeler, but I think this is more new age junk. I mean, I could get into it specifically, but just think how ridiculous that is. None of this type of information is going to help anyone do anything to stop the new world order. It's completely false information and when you get people believing this type of stuff they are completely useless to relize and fight what is really happening cause they ar too busy worried about aliens and their imagination. Of course what is really happening is pretty insane and amazing and terrible too, but these lies put out in many conspiracy theories are 100% complete science fiction and discredit by assoiciation the truths that get mixed into conspiracy theories. Conspiracy is a huge business. Conspiracy theories are set up and funded by the PTB. All oppositions are controlled. You think they are dumb enough to let us wake up with such ease? It goes much deeper than most think. The CIA is heavily involved in conjuring up consipiracies and perputating them to the public. Conspiracy theory is basically just a new genre of science fiction and predictive programming. People want to believe the fantastic, so they are given it.

Doom

I agree with what you've written in general terms above. Most people I know (here in America) can care less about the new world order, aliens, or conspiracy theories. Times and again I tried to "sell" some conspiracy theory to my friends, asking them to look at the photos of the pulverized Ground Zero and footage of the implosion of WTC 7; typically my friends either just walked away or felt puzzled initially but wouldn't give it a second thought ever again.

Maybe my friends think I am a government agent or a left gate keeper or something, assigned to control the opposition...


-feeler

[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by feeler

According to Nassim Haramein, we are living in grace; a comet twice the size of Jupiter would have knocked the earth out of its orbit, had it not received intervention.

On the other hand, according to William Bramley in his book 'The Gods of Eden,' ETs provoked wars and spread the black plague throughout our history.

I am on the fence with this one.

-feeler

I wouldn't know about either of those things but i believe that in the deep past, Earth has been visited by neg aliens. I believe they've never been here to help. But i don't absolve the terrestrial power elite of their own bad behavior so i agree with 'Doom' that that is where we should be directing our grievances if we're serious about changing the world. Without confronting the darkness, positive thinking alone will not change the world. And neither will spirituality alone.

Those who are now punching the air in victory saying " the power elite are toast ... the game's up ... bring on the collapse... Up we go in 2012" are deluded if they think it is so merely because they - or worse, alien saviors - say it is so. Our own hands and voices are the handmaidens of our minds. If we don't act WE are toast. But physical action is only half of our power.

There are individuals on this planet, past and present, who have mastered the full potential of the human spirit. These are spiritual adepts who the average man would consider to be gods due to their extra-ordinary powers. Some of these adepts have incarnated throughout the ages as mankind's spiritual teachers including Jesus and Guatama.

Alan Watt, Maxwell, Icke and others, while they say the power is within us to awaken and change the world, seem to limit the origin and extent of that power to which we can awaken. That limitation in their message extends to the outright denial of those individuals who have attained self-mastery and left a spiritual message as their legacy to humanity.

Just because their legacy was stolen by the spoilers and used as an outer mask to control us through institutionalised religion it does not therefore invalidate the adepts and their spiritual teachings. The roman state hijacked the early christian teachings and it's founder and instead created an idol to worship rather than a brother to emulate. This was never Jesus' intent.

You won't find a greater revolutionary confronting the PTB than Jesus and that is what got him killed. The reason i say that is that although history records others giving their all against the abuses of PTB they've done so in a dualistic mindset. Jesus is a rare example of someone who attained the full potential of the spirit within him yet, when he awakened to it, he didn't stay home meditating. He went outside and taught others how he did it and he confronted the religious authorities who were preventing that same awakening in the people.

Jesus told the religious PTB straight to their faces :

"Woe to ye lawyers
Ye have taken away the key of (self) knowledge
Ye would not enter in yourselves (into the inner "kingdom" of spirit)
and those who would (enter in) ye hindered."

Seeing the control freakery of the religious authorities, Jesus taught the people that they didn't need the priesthood and their perverse brand of religion as a mediator between themselves and their own spirit.

He said:

"... Neither shall they say, Lo here!, or, Lo there! (in deference to external religion) for behold; The kingdom of God (your spiritual consciousness) is within you."

The reason he taught this is because without each of us realising the potential of our own inner-spirit (which is universally within everyone and everything) we will never be empowered to defeat the dualistic forces arrayed against us. In the mundane human consciousness we are impotent and controllable. In union with spirit we are invulnerable. But ONLY if we ACT in that level of consciousness not in the outer mind of human hatred and inharmony which only perpetuates more of the same.

That is the message of the spiritual adepts who've walked among us. The so called "truth seekers" who deny them and their message are, in their misunderstanding, cutting off their own nose to spite their face. They deny the inner source of their hoped for victory and those who've already attained it. Either that or they are agents of the PTB who are trying to cut us off from our true 'generals in the field'.

Feeler, At post #3 i talked about 'ETs' and the definition of same in the following thread...

Here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...p=88710&t=8259

I've no doubt 'Doom' will consider it "new age gobbledegook" but as i see it he (and Chris White) fails to separate the wheat from the chaff in modern spiritual teachings by labelling everything of the like in the perjorative "new age".

[GoingToFast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syVyb...eature=related

[GoingToFast]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMijKEIZOIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tItGD...eature=related

[GoingToFast]

This is old-school but a classic "must-see-docu"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ent+astronauts

[Doom]

Hey GTF, in response to all your posts of video links - none of them prove anything imo, I've seen every one before and done all the research on all that type of material for many years past. Just because information is out there does not make it correct, if you would at least take the time to research counter-intelligence and the new age a bit I think you'd see that a lot of the stuff your posting is a con, and much has been ligitimately exposed such as Sitchin. We can't ever truly wake up and stop the new world order if we keep getting spun by these fairy tails and fake conspiracy theories.

[GoingToFast]

Originally Posted by Doom

Hey GTF, in response to all your posts of video links - none of them prove anything imo, I've seen every one before and done all the research on all that type of material for many years past. Just because information is out there does not make it correct, if you would at least take the time to research counter-intelligence and the new age a bit I think you'd see that a lot of the stuff your posting is a con, and much has been ligitimately exposed such as Sitchin. We can't ever truly wake up and stop the new world order if we keep getting spun by these fairy tails and fake conspiracy theories.

Hey man, I'm not posting for you, I'm posting for anyone else who is INTELLIGENT so they can make up there OWN MIND'S.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by GoingToFast

Hey man, I'm not posting for you, I'm posting for anyone else who is INTELLIGENT so they can make up there OWN MIND'S.

That's fine, same with me - I'm allowed to respond to your posts with my opinions am I not?

And I agree with you - hopefully this thread provides people the opportunity and motivation to look into all sides of the story before jumping to conclusions and being spun off by some very captivating fantasy, and then do just what you said(make up there own minds).

[GoingToFast]

Originally Posted by Doom

That's fine, same with me - I'm allowed to respond to your posts with my opinions am I not?

And I agree with you - hopefully this thread provides people the opportunity and motivation to look into all sides of the story before jumping to conclusions and being spun off by some very captivating fantasy, and then do just what you said(make up there own minds).

EXACTLY MY POINT. Let everybody make up there own mind

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ient+astronaut

[GoingToFast]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...haraia+sitchin

[Doom]

Originally Posted by milk and honey

I've no doubt 'Doom' will consider it "new age gobbledegook" but as i see it he (and Chris White) fails to separate the wheat from the chaff in modern spiritual teachings by labelling everything of the like in the perjorative "new age".

I am nothing like Chris White imo, he is a christian, and attacks what he perceives to be things that attack christianity. I have no religious ties, and no bias to narrow my world view, though I have mentioned before I believe in human spirit. And as I've stated before as well, I know many of the meanings and messages in the new testament are absolutely universal truths, such as 'The kingdom of God is within you.' But there is a difference between true spirituality and the new age, and it is well documented. Spirituality has often been used throughout history to capture people's attention and then they add the bizzare to lead the people off to la la land.

Also I am pretty much in agreement with most comments in your last post, except some stuff about 'Jesus'(i have the same morals and understanding as you about what 'jesus' taught, but I don't actually believe he existed), and one other particular statement i don't agree with 'Earth has been visited by neg aliens'. Even if it was possible, that still doesn't make it so, because there is not enough evidence other than possibilty think - which is a new age technique to get people to think that way ie 'if it is possible it must be true'

BTW, check out these articles Alan posted the other day from big think tanks (Club of Budapest is the same thing as Club of Rome) about how spirituality is going to be used to get people to further the green agenda, http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...1&postcount=50

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Doom

Spirituality has often been used throughout history to capture people's attention and then they add the bizzare to lead the people off to la la land.

Also I am pretty much in agreement with most comments in your last post, except some stuff about 'Jesus'(i have the same morals and understanding as you about what 'jesus' taught, but I don't actually believe he existed), and one other particular statement i don't agree with 'Earth has been visited by neg aliens'. Even if it was possible, that still doesn't make it so, because there is not enough evidence other than possibilty think - which is a new age technique to get people to think that way ie 'if it is possible it must be true'

Doom

I'm not off any time soon to join any cult either. The new age movement in principle is a better understanding of the old age. But with the shills and profiteers around (as in the case of the 9/11 movement) it gets complicated.

As far as the existence of Jesus or neg aliens, it's a matter of eliminating the impossible, exploring/validating the remote viewing capabilities of those who possess it, and recognizing the alien technology around us (e.g. pulverization of the twin towers).


-feeler

[Doom]

Originally Posted by feeler

Doom

I'm not off any time soon to join any cult either. The new age movement in principle is a better understanding of the old age. But with the shills and profiteers around (as in the case of the 9/11 movement) it gets complicated.

As far as the existence of Jesus or neg aliens, it's a matter of eliminating the impossible, exploring/validating the remote viewing capabilities of those who possess it, and recognizing the alien technology around us (e.g. pulverization of the twin towers).


-feeler

Well just be careful, because the new age is exactly that, a cult. And in fact it is in a way worse than old religions, even though old religions are tools of the elite as well, the new age is their upgraded religion creation specifically desgined to destroy all old religions and to give to the public as the new world religion to better control them. And that is one of the new age's appealing factors - putting out some of the truths about how old religions are no good and used to control etc. But that's just to get you onboard, because attatched as well comes all the new age beliefs that disable your mind.

And there is no alien technology around us. That is one of the main reasons why the PTB created the alien conspiracies and perpetuate them, it is a perfect cover for high technology we build here, with no help from aliens. Higher technology than the public know about has always been held secret by the ruling elite throughout history. There's no need for aliens to explain it. What the public see on the shelves is always obsolete. And aliens are the perfect cover story, cause you'll never find one to complain to or be able to do anything about it if it is aliens. This all goes back to the counter-intelligence techniques I've frequently talked about throughout this thread and any others I have posted on at this forum.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Doom

Well just be careful, because the new age is exactly that, a cult. And in fact it is in a way worse than old religions, even though old religions are tools of the elite as well, the new age is their upgraded religion creation specifically desgined to destroy all old religions and to give to the public as the new world religion to better control them.

And there is no alien technology around us. That is one of the main reasons why the PTB created the alien conspiracies and perpetuate them, it is a perfect cover for high technology we build here, with no help from aliens. Higher technology than the public know about has always been held secret by the ruling elite throughout history. There's no need for aliens to explain it. What the public see on the shelves is always obsolete. And aliens are the perfect cover story, cause you'll never find one to complain to or be able to do anything about it if it is aliens. This all goes back to the counter-intelligence techniques I've frequently talked about throughout this thread and any others I have posted on at this forum.

Doom

The new age is not THAT organized as a religion to replace/destroy the old religions. Is it?

No alien technology? Do you believe those people who called in at the same time to report a craft? Do you believe all the UFOs are man-made? Do you believe all the crop circles are man-made?

-feeler

[Doom]

Originally Posted by feeler

The new age is not THAT organized as a religion to replace/destroy the old religions. Is it?

Yes it is. It is well disguised as not being organized, but you'll find that all roads lead to rome.

Originally Posted by feeler

No alien technology?

Correct.

Originally Posted by feeler

Do you believe those people who called in at the same time to report a craft?

Sure, I'm sure some people are liars, but some also i'm sure really see things and report them, but it doesn't mean they are alien.

Originally Posted by feeler

Do you believe all the UFOs are man-made?

Yes. The BBC even did a documentary in the 70's showing some of these UFO saucers flying in and out of military hangers. You'll find that although very well disguised and mixed in with all the junk, that most truths are published by the PTB, in books by big players, from big foundations and institutions. They publish their plans and how they do everything if you know where to look. It is almost a legalistic thing to tell the victims so they can say 'it's not like we didn't tell you.'

Originally Posted by feeler

Do you believe all the crop circles are man-made?

They certainly weren't made by aliens! I know there are some crop circles that defy the logic of being simply faked by people with boards and what not, but there are a fair amount of other possibilties, such as high technology used to fool us and perpetuate alien conspiracies, and there are actually some fairly interesting lectures avaiable on google/youtube of some scientific theories explaing them as well (not that I am a supporter of their findings). But aliens are the least likely. That's classic counter-intelligence technique at work again - by writing off anything that is extraordinary and unexplainable as alien.

[feeler]

Originally Posted by Doom

They certainly weren't made by aliens! I know there are some crop circles that defy the logic of being simply faked by people with boards and what not, but there are a fair amount of other possibilties, such as high technology used to fool us and perpetuate alien conspiracies, and there are actually some fairly interesting lectures avaiable on google/youtube of some scientific theories explaing them as well (not that I am a supporter of their findings). But aliens are the least likely. That's classic counter-intelligence technique at work again - by writing off anything that is extraordinary and unexplainable as alien.

Doom

Was high technology too utilized to build the Egyptian pyramids? If not, how?

Are our pineal glands merely products of Darwin's evolution?

Where is the missing link between humans and apes?

-feeler

[Doom]

Originally Posted by feeler

Doom

Was high technology too utilized to build the Egyptian pyramids? If not, how?

Are our pineal glands merely products of Darwin's evolution?

Where is the missing link between humans and apes?

-feeler

Darwin is a major major player in the elite's agenda, and the new age agenda, so no, i do not believe in darwinism. Contrary to popular belief, the evidence just isn't there. There doesn't need to be a missing link between humans and apes since darwin's theories(even though they weren't actually his theories) are false, and really just a modyfied modern form of ancient hinduism.

The building of the pyramids has been well documented and explained, there is no mystery. The mainstream media created the conspiracy and hype about there being a mystery, but you can easily find many many studies with all the evidence to show exactly how humans built the pyramids without high technology. The mass graveyards of thousands of workers who built the pyramid found around the pyramids for example is just some of the strong evidence.

[Doom]

I love Alan Watt's poetry, I have to post at least a few that fit this discussion:

The Pentagon Churns Out Sage after Sage
Who Foresee All Disasters in this, the New Age,
Those Who Follow the Agenda, Some Truly Can,
Know Each Step to Come, They Study The Plan,
Novus Ordo Seclorum Must Succeed by Deception,
No Room for Errors, On Track, No Correction,
History Tells Without Any Doubt,
Military is Turned On the Rabble in Rout,
Always Disguised as 'For Your Protection,'
Their Function is Death in Any Dimension,
Yet Perception Distorted Alters Belief,
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing, Camouflaged Teeth


Citizenry Psy-Ops Operation,
People in Tizzy of Dis-information,
Truth of Which They Ne'er Possess,
Conflicting Data They Can't Process,
Fact and Fantasy, All Bound Together,
'Re' the Belief, 'Ligion' the Fetter,
Round in Circles, All Amazed,
Under Mind Control, They Must Be Dazed,
Psychological Warfare to have Success,
The Victims' Minds They Must Possess,
Until They Find They're All Alone,
Truth is Knockin' but No-one's Home


With Scary Hype, We Can Arrange,
All Your Attention on Climate Change,
With Phony Data and Lots of Excerpts,
Repeated Daily by Well-Paid Experts,
For Gaia's Will, There Must Be Sacrifice,
To Complete the Occultic Enterprise.
And For the New-Agers Out There, Whose Ears are Itchin',
Keep Following the Fantasy Web Spun by Z. Sitchin

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by Doom

I love Alan Watt's poetry, I have to post at least a few that fit this discussion:

The Pentagon Churns Out Sage after Sage
Who Foresee All Disasters in this, the New Age,
Those Who Follow the Agenda, Some Truly Can,
Know Each Step to Come, They Study The Plan,
Novus Ordo Seclorum Must Succeed by Deception,
No Room for Errors, On Track, No Correction,
History Tells Without Any Doubt,
Military is Turned On the Rabble in Rout,
Always Disguised as 'For Your Protection,'
Their Function is Death in Any Dimension,
Yet Perception Distorted Alters Belief,
Wolves in Sheep's Clothing, Camouflaged Teeth


Citizenry Psy-Ops Operation,
People in Tizzy of Dis-information,
Truth of Which They Ne'er Possess,
Conflicting Data They Can't Process,
Fact and Fantasy, All Bound Together,
'Re' the Belief, 'Ligion' the Fetter,
Round in Circles, All Amazed,
Under Mind Control, They Must Be Dazed,
Psychological Warfare to have Success,
The Victims' Minds They Must Possess,
Until They Find They're All Alone,
Truth is Knockin' but No-one's Home


With Scary Hype, We Can Arrange,
All Your Attention on Climate Change,
With Phony Data and Lots of Excerpts,
Repeated Daily by Well-Paid Experts,
For Gaia's Will, There Must Be Sacrifice,
To Complete the Occultic Enterprise.
And For the New-Agers Out There, Whose Ears are Itchin',
Keep Following the Fantasy Web Spun by Z. Sitchin

Well, that could be better,
Though i like the last one with Itchin' and Sitchin.....
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Doom, GoingToFast was right:

You DO really believe in a 'BEARDED GOD'....


--- His name is: ..................Alan Watt. ---




doesn't it ? Hehe, just kidding

salute.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by BeaTnik-BandiT

Well, that could be better,
Though i like the last one with Itchin' and Sitchin.....
-- ------------

Doom, GoingToFast was right:

You DO really believe in a 'BEARDED GOD'....


--- His name is: ..................Alan Watt. ---




doesn't it ? Hehe, just kidding

salute.

Hhaha. Alas, Alan is no god. Nor do I 'believe' in him. But I do credit him for motivating me to really get to the sources of information and research for myself rather than take other researchers word for it.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by Doom

Hhaha. Alas, Alan is no god. Nor do I 'believe' in him. But I do credit him for motivating me to really get to the sources of information and research for myself rather than take other researchers word for it.

Yeah, ok.

Seriously i listened to him on RED-ICE Creations, and i found him a very knowledgeable guy.
He shed some very good light on many aspects of the 'whole NWO scam'.
I respect him for this.

For some reason, they ceased (the Palmgren brothers of RED-ICE ) to re-invite him to his monthly radio show.

The Palmgren brothers said that Watt did'nt bring any solutions down the line, only rehearsing the same old NWO thing, so that's why it seems they got tired of him.... - And probably Watt did'nt like it.-

Doom, I am not saying this to start a mud fight, but just to let you know.

I respect both of these men (Maxwell,Tsarion,Watt,Icke..etc) they are humans with their own weaknesses. They All bring an 'aspect' of the whole thing.

The danger is where you stick too tightly to a point of view.
It's healthy to reassess your beliefs once in a while.

Challenge your own perspective of things, you'll get better at it with time.

salute.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by BeaTnik-BandiT

Yeah, ok.

Seriously i listened to him on RED-ICE Creations, and i found him a very knowledgeable guy.
He shed some very good light on many aspects of the 'whole NWO scam'.
I respect him for this.

For some reason, they ceased (the Palmgren brothers of RED-ICE ) to re-invite him to his monthly radio show.

The Palmgren brothers said is that Watt did'nt bring any solutions down the line, only rehearsing the same old NWO thing, so that's why it seems they got tired of him.... - And probably Watt did'nt like it.-

Doom, I am not saying this to start a mud fight, but just to let you know.

I respect both of these men (Maxwell,Tsarion,Watt,Icke..etc) they are humans with their own weaknesses. They All bring an 'aspect' of the whole thing.

The danger is where you stick too tightly to a point of view.
It's healthy to reassess your beliefs once in a while.

Challenge your own perspective of things, you'll get better at it with time.

salute.

Alan Watt is not on Red Ice anymore is because they (Palmgren/David Icke/Tsarion) wanted him to talk about about aliens and reptilians. They even offered him a book deal and dvd plans etc. and told him he'd be making big $. But Alan Watt said he told them 'No, I won't do your biddings, I know you work for MI5 and MI6 like your mentor Crowley'. And since then he hasn't heard from them other than some angry emails. As you said they thought Alan was boring, they don't want to hear the 'boring' truth, they want to hear fantastic fantasy. Basically they gave him an ultimatim to start spewing disinfo or they'd take him off the air.

The danger is sticking too tightly to a point of view indeed, cause you can't see everything from one point of view. And I don't stick with one point of view ever, I always try to get all sides of the story before coming to my conclusions. It's the new agers who stick too tightly to their point of view, as you can see often at this message board, many are like religious fanatics and will insult and do anything but be rational when someone goes against their beliefs. I have no problem discussing opposing beliefs as you see, I respect other's opinions, but that doesn't mean I can't share my opposing opinions.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by Doom

Alan Watt is not on Red Ice anymore is because they (Palmgren/David Icke/Tsarion) wanted him to talk about about aliens and reptilians. They even offered him a book deal and dvd plans etc. and told him he'd be making big $. But Alan Watt said he told them 'No, I won't do your biddings,

Well, i find this VERY hard to believe...

Originally Posted by Doom

I know you work for MI5 and MI6 like your mentor Crowley'. And since then he hasn't heard from them other than some angry emails. As you said they thought Alan was boring, they don't want to hear the 'boring' truth, they want to hear fantastic fantasy. Basically they gave him an ultimatim to start spewing disinfo or they'd take him off the air.

For the MI5 thing, Palmgren of course got aware of this and answered in his forum he did'nt have to defend himself against such funny thing,.... people will decide.

I just think Mr. Watt just got frustrated for being showed the door....

Anyways, believe me, I was surprised and disapointed when i knew of this.
I was very much impressed with Watts radio sessions.

Originally Posted by Doom

The danger is sticking too tightly to a point of view indeed, cause you can't see everything from one point of view. And I don't stick with one point of view ever, I always try to get all sides of the story before coming to my conclusions. It's the new agers who stick too tightly to their point of view, as you can see often at this message board, many are like religious fanatics and will insult and do anything but be rational when someone goes against their beliefs. I have no problem discussing opposing beliefs as you see, I respect other's opinions, but that doesn't mean I can't share my opposing opinions.

I have to a agree on this.


salute.