Self Proclaimed Illuminati Insider on Agenda for Humanity

[mu2143]

I know that a freemason has setup the Newage movemend thats what I know.
But I suggest just to lookup it your self to see if you can find any information your self.

http://www.zoeken.nl/?&vid=l87210166...web&yhspchkid=

So you can see the proof yourself, Because it is all about question everything you come a cross. Remember if you knew who you are then you see it directly,but because of the condision where in not knowing anything any more they can stuff anything down your troat. Soul blocked, DNA memory switch off, Mind controll etc to name a view

What the PTB always want you to do is to follow a Book or another Media with out questioning it your self. Following a book blindly is they same is following another person. This is called worshipping, but if your replace it with an item with information it those not appear this way at first..

When your so convinced that it is all good then they got you, because you wil defend the information in this book by the letter or person Obama??ring any bells most people I bumb in to say he is wonderfull. WTF???

I've talked to people who are very aware on what is going on and they are following the Bible, but he is not going research anything else. I found out that the guy himself was to afraid to trust his on self. Just an example ....(waiting to be saved...)

It could well have been that the reason is it is a wonderfulll book etc, just to make a point.

Mu(Lumeria) and Atlantis got destroyed because of we believing a lie. So they have planned this for a very very long time not just a view 1000, but 10.000 of years or even more. till a point in time where we totally forgot who we are!!

[Unified Serenity]

There is a family bloodline that does do negative things, but I don't think it is because they plan it, it's just their nature. Then there are those who also do things out of greed, control, power desires and it plays into things that are destined to happen.

I happen to believe that all energy emanates from an ultimate source so in effect we are all one, but I also believe that some truths are twisted to get people to follow a path that looks good, but ultimately takes them off a "true" course of spiritual evolution to their highest potential and thus serves the negatively motivated forces.

Thus discernment is needed to know what path one is truly following.

[lightblue]

in response to xlsander a couple of post ago:

you know, i would really, like to lose this wee argument, besides, yours is a much stronger conviction that the txts are authentic and fair as they invite our own discernment..
to the best of my understanding and experience, the most powerful propaganda (lie) is the one offering a high degree of truth elements in it...and just as you start to recognize all the true bits according to your discernment - bang! you swallow the gossest lie as well - which can totally distort the whole point being made..Q'uo's introduction you may think is fair and considerate, but i hear it as oily and discriminatory..why would Q'uo ask to speak to a particular person with the initial so and so..sounds like a spiritist session to me where one is chosen and the rest may or may not be fit to grasp the content ...the TRUTH of our existence is the same to all and it relates to everyone and each and every one of us is able to relate to it. I myself need no prophets and/or annointed ones..what I'd appreciate is more human beings with integrity (like Bill and Kerry) willing to gather and share relevant information..according to which we can use our own discerment.

I am almost certain that everyone is and/or can be a channel. one problem remains - how are we to know if an entity is integrious? That's a tough one. having said that, i kind of feel that in not too long we'd be able to tell and apply the information accordingly. only not just yet..dr david hawkins did a lot of interesting research into human inability to tell truth from a lie..i know it sounds unbelievable.. he spoke and wrote about it with a lot scientific and spiritual integrity..indirectly, his work explains why is it that the majority of us is still looking for an authority we could trust - so to be able to follow, adore and admire..why do you think we need that as a group if not because we are not able to differentiate truth from falsehood ourselves. and why is it that a lot of people expect a full "disclosure" - assuming some guys higher up in the know owe us the truth..in my estimation, it won't happen and i frankly believe we don't need it, not any more..things have come to a point where what's not serving the purpose, falls away of its own accord..all the doors are loosening, we just have to look in the right direction and keep our eyes and hearts open. Really, do you think that the governments will come out and say: here, it's your free energy device, use it in good health..or: hey, we've been lying to you for a long time, here's the deal...no, they are here to protect the established stance and we are here to trun our focus away and onto what wee seek to know - then, the answers will come.
Be your own channel of information and say: I feel this is so and so..it's enthralling..and you than could look at what Ra had to say and compare it to your own inner source.

bestest

[Bloodoftheberry]

Firstly, I'd like to point out that the Ra channelled by Wilcock is NOT the same as the Ra channelled by Carla Rueckert. Wilcock's Ra is his higher self, totally unrelated to the Ra social memory complex.

Originally Posted by lightblue

equally and i do strongly agree with NEO a few posts back - the self proclaimed illluminati's text is most insulting. sick propaganda of a derranged and wicked mind.. nonsense. i wish i never layed my eyes on it..it's all distraction and contamination.

Surely information that emphasises introspection and improving your thought patterns is anything but 'distracting'?

9/11, vaccines, the Federal Reserve, chemtrails...these are the distractions that are designed to encourage semi-awakened people from gazing inwards and discovering real, objective truth. If Hidden Hand had dwelled upon these unimportant issues, then I'd be inclined to agree with your conclusion. But alas, he attempts to steer the discourse towards metaphysics from the outset, constantly de-emphasising the NWO baggage - much to the chagrin of the materialistic truthers.

Originally Posted by lightblue

rather than; succumb to a pre-planned scenario of whoever and whatever group, i'd say: walk tall, focus and fear not...and i read somwhere, maybe here: where focus goes, energy flows!

bestest to us all

Hidden Hand claimed the same, hence why he urged his audience to monitor their thoughts for negativity, and offered advice on how to serve others better.

You could argue that he rationalised his own negativity, but he certainly didn't encourage the same negativity in ourselves.

[eleni]

He used Law Of One and other new age lingo to draw people into his *conversation*. That way he could make the NWO info more palatable.

[Anchor]

Wilcock's Ra is his higher self, totally unrelated to the Ra social memory complex

Surely not totally unrelated. The way I read it, DW's higher self is a individualized fragment of the social memory complex.

Or are you asserting that they are two different things with the same name (and vocal mannerisms ) ?

A..

[lightblue]

surely, he/she/it was not inviting ngativity on our part though it/he/she did a good job of wickedness relativising. ..draw from it and enjoy if you can..i don't.

sounds to me a very evil eugenecist, pot belly, very much of this worldly domain..and while our keen , fine minds unwittingly start to indulge in wrestling with metaphysicsal concepts this entity is offering, we might just oversee what's happening in our immediate vicinity. is praying for the ongoing wars to end also a distraction in your book?


best wishes

[Bloodoftheberry]

Originally Posted by lightblue

is praying for the ongoing wars to end also a distraction in your book?

That depends on the manner in which you hope the war will end. If you pray for an ending that is organic and permits all parties involved to learn (or neutralise karma) from the experience, then I would consider that beneficial/STO.

But if you pray for the instantaneous termination of all ongoing wars, then those who instigated them through rhetoric, and actualised them through combat, will simply channel their destructive tendencies elsewhere. Likewise, the previous victims of the war would have to address their remaining karma through similar outlets.

A battlefield may seem chaotic and entropic to us, but in actuality every metaphorical corner of the macrocosm is - and always will be - in perfect harmony and balance. Like all exchanges, conflict simply represents the ongoing interaction between one consensual lesson and another, and if its cosmic unfolding is disrupted, then the universe will orchestrate its manifestation elsewhere.

I know you think differently – I'm just opinioning my offering

[lightblue]

hi

A battlefield may seem chaotic and entropic to us, but in actuality every metaphorical corner of the macrocosm is - and always will be - in perfect harmony and balance. Like all exchanges, conflict simply represents the ongoing interaction between one consensual lesson and another, and if its cosmic unfolding is disrupted, then the universe will orchestrate its manifestation elsewhere.

the battlefield you are talking about has not been so for a long while.
i..you are here discussing a concept of war , but forgetting that the "war", ( in fact sheer violence, and murder for interest) instigators don't concern themselves with definition of wars..they go into sheer massacres..having first made sure that the country they are going for is weakened by sanctions etc to a maximum..then they deploy their depleted uranium murder bombs..sheer evil..maybe that is why they are not any more declaring wars..they go into killing spree "to save the humanity" ...totally wicked.., they call it humanitarian mission...that's if you followed the sequence of some recent ones..

in other words, you don't have the opposing parties, you have an outright butcher and an outright victim. it's a sheer murder, killing orgy..nothing to do with opposing polarities..that's if you just observe different hot spots these days.

you might have read bhagavad gita, i agree it's a great read

i had someone very close murdered by a bombing machine...and i know it's murder.. they call it a "collateral damage".

bw

[truth and integrity]

mu2143 I am on the same page with you.It took me a long time of an intense research to figure it out.I do not take seriously any channelled material any more. More than a decade ago I studied Course of Miracle- my first channelled material, followed by a few more, including the Law of One. I fell in love with Krishnamurti teachings and I am free from this influence too. The list is long but I finally I got my sight back.

Best regards,

[firefly]

Iv'e read HH some time ago and it sent a shiver up my spine. Although I have not read the The Law of One or the Ra Material. however, I feel that we should not be focusing on anything negative because it empowers TPB. Love is the key and I have found that reading www.christsway.co.za/ has helped to raise my vibrations and consciencness. I have experienced some very real spiritual happenings since reading Christ's Letters. ie. One morning I woke and asked myself if I should listen to the radio's negative news or should I put on my meditation CD and read more of Christ's Letters? The decision was made for me as the CD started playing. That was enough to convince me that what I was reading in the Letters was the Truth. We must send out more love to heal our planet and its people and perhaps the likes of HH will just have to leave without their harvest.

Love and friendship
firefly

[truth and integrity]

It is a very good question, yet it is very difficult to answer it in few sentences. The channeled materials, for example Course in Miracle and Law of One present a very different view of the nature of reality. Are those spiritual beings as confused as we are ? Or maybe it is a deliberate manipulation of our mind to accommodate many who have a different belief system. But it was a beginning. I investigated more such as Kryon, SaLuSa, Matthew messages, Mark corner, Orion transmissions, Wings, and Valerie Donner. Some of them channel dimensional beings while others ETs. The contradictions sent in those messages were beyond comprehension; it can only be compared to the psychotic attack. When confronted by many, all of those” beings” claimed that they were the only one who carries the truth. Do they have the same hierarchy as we do?. Are they dimensional beings, ETs, or maybe manmade technology to program our mind? (In 80s Russians developed technology to influence our dreams) Maybe even it is a more prosaic explanation that they are human beings who have found an easy way to earn money by exploiting our weaknesses. As human beings, we like to enjoy our life, having a dinner with a glass of wine while watching a sunset on Capri. So, we will accept any "saviour" whether it is Jesus, ETs, maybe miraculous ascension, or even a power of our mind and emotions to change a reality so that we can have another glass of wine, without worrying about any responsibility for our spiritual growth. It was a long process for me but finally I got it.

Best regards,

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by mu2143

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the the Law Of One is part of the New Age Agenda.

Is this just your opinion or is it a testable fact?

O well if only David Wilcock figure it out that the Law Of One is another trap.

When did you work it out ? How do you know? On what basis do you form this conclusion?

The entire book is simply a Q and A session. It is answers to some questions. That is all it is, some guy asking questions and getting some answers. Readers can however discern much wisdom from these answers.

I read the Law Of One, an I personally consider it a good, somewhat hard but enlightening read. Also, for what its worth, I think there is some truth in what I read there.

I also feel that each of us who have read it, particularly those who resonate to a greater extent with elements of this work, are our own individual "movements". Not a "New Age" movement as you call it.

People who are part of a "New Age" anything are being led like sheep.

That is not what the Law of one is about - I suppose it can be used that way. I can see that because it has gathered a good "reputation" for being more accurate than your usual channelling, then it is easy to use it as a tool for manipulation - same as the bible - but it isnt a bible.

Anything can be a trap for those who are not being careful.

I actually read the Hidden Hand material. I liked it. I think it offers another perspective. Is it gospel? Of course not ! Just think about who was supposed to have written the damn thing!!

Discernment required.

A..

[Myra]

Originally Posted by mu2143

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the the Law Of One is part of the New Age Agenda. there playing both evil and good!

Because there ultimate plan is to inslave us using our free will, but they have to brake you first. Why do you think there was no disclosure , it is because there plan was to create chaos first and then present you with a Messiah. New technology cure for aids and cancer etc check the new Serie V its in there

The first thing they want to do is to create a problem that wil cause to dollar to devalue futher then they can blame it on that!!!. This wil be the start of the first crysis!!!. The second wave of the Lab virus still has to hit America thats what you have to watch for.

The PTB already released the second upgraded version in the Ukraine and it is just a matter of time when it is going to hit the USA.

There is going to be more trouble in the Middle east with Israel/Iran etc and Dubai on a Economic bases. It is already falling apart and just another crysis wil brake it down.!!!!


2010 wil be the time where the first thing are going to happen!!!

Your post resonates with me. I question this too.

[14 Chakras]

What is the "New Age Agenda"?

Should we buy into the "Old Age Agenda"?

I find terminology quite funny in this regard.

The STO "harvest" is ascending to a higher level in the schoolroom of the universe, a deeper more powerful reality, where it is much more clear we are interconnected with each other and the source of all life is accessible within us.

The STS "harvest" is called judgment at the court of sacred fire. The STS beings have the opportunity to throw all their negative momentum's into the sacred fire and then must do the hard work of balancing all the negative karma they've created since they fell, so they can get back onto the true path of evolution, the path of Love and the path of More.

Or, if they refuse to do this, their other option is to jump into the sacred fire and their entire evolutionary experiences are erased and they start out from square one again as a brand new soul with absolutely no momentum whatsoever and begin their evolution from scratch again, no memories, nothing, just a fresh innocent soul in the schoolroom of infinity (meaning they have to do it all over again and get it right this time, and sometimes all over means billions of years of evolution!)

There is only one Way, the way of Oneness. STS is the false way and it leads to loss of opportunity to continue in the game or the paying back of immense amount of karma.

As Eleni says, STS beings can turn around Now and not have to go to the court of sacred fire, free will is the name of the game. Turn around and start helping your neighbor rather than eating them, and you get to keep playing the game and make great karma at this critical time in universal evolution.

Keep on the STS path and adios mon amigo... you have been harvested to the court of sacred fire where you will face trial by sacred fire...

I choose STO cause it's just more fun anyway! Why hurt when we can help?

For me, it's the only choice, it just makes sense, why would I want it any other way?

[firefly]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

What is the "New Age Agenda"?

Should we buy into the "Old Age Agenda"?

I find terminology quite funny in this regard.

The STO "harvest" is ascending to a higher level in the schoolroom of the universe, a deeper more powerful reality, where it is much more clear we are interconnected with each other and the source of all life is accessible within us.

The STS "harvest" is called judgment at the court of sacred fire. The STS beings have the opportunity to throw all their negative momentum's into the sacred fire and then must do the hard work of balancing all the negative karma they've created since they fell, so they can get back onto the true path of evolution, the path of Love and the path of More.

Or, if they refuse to do this, their other option is to jump into the sacred fire and their entire evolutionary experiences are erased and they start out from square one again as a brand new soul with absolutely no momentum whatsoever and begin their evolution from scratch again, no memories, nothing, just a fresh innocent soul in the schoolroom of infinity (meaning they have to do it all over again and get it right this time, and sometimes all over means billions of years of evolution!)

There is only one Way, the way of Oneness. STS is the false way and it leads to loss of opportunity to continue in the game or the paying back of immense amount of karma.

As Eleni says, STS beings can turn around Now and not have to go to the court of sacred fire, free will is the name of the game. Turn around and start helping your neighbor rather than eating them, and you get to keep playing the game and make great karma at this critical time in universal evolution.

Keep on the STS path and adios mon amigo... you have been harvested to the court of sacred fire where you will face trial by sacred fire...

I choose STO cause it's just more fun anyway! Why hurt when we can help?

For me, it's the only choice, it just makes sense, why would I want it any other way?

Exactly, 14 Chakras, I agree. It always amazes me when I read your posts, I find them extremely enlightening. I often ask myself 'how does he/she know so much. Where was I when all that knowledge and understanding was given out?" I kind of missed out!

Love and friendship
firefly

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by firefly

Exactly, 14 Chakras, I agree. It always amazes me when I read your posts, I find them extremely enlightening. I often ask myself 'how does he/she know so much. Where was I when all that knowledge and understanding was given out?" I kind of missed out!

Love and friendship
firefly

Well... what reminded me of many Truths I already knew on inner levels are the teachings on the following Website. They have helped me get my own inner connection to the spiritual realm and I am not dependent on them, however, school is in over here, and it appears very few are ready for it... why? I'm not totally clear, I suspect it's the pull of hte matrix...

www.askrealjesus.com

Here start out with questions about SEX ! Maybe that'll get em interested

http://www.askrealjesus.com/P_JesusA...alitymain.html

[lightblue]

mu2143 I am on the same page with you.It took me a long time of an intense research to figure it out.I do not take seriously any channelled material any more. More than a decade ago I studied Course of Miracle- my first channelled material, followed by a few more, including the Law of One. I fell in love with Krishnamurti teachings and I am free from this influence too. The list is long but I finally I got my sight back

dear Truth and Integrity
in your understanding, what is it that compromises channeled materials?

thanks bw

[lightblue]

Dear Myra

I just do not trust HH. As soon as I read his/her interview red flags went up for me. Don't like the arrogance either. It reminded me a lot of the same thinking from "The Protocols of The Elders of Zion" that they are "chosen" and the rest of us are just "cattle". I don't agree with that thinking.

A lot of what lightblue and mu2143 said makes sense to me as well. Anyone can come in and say they have the answer to everything. But how can they be sure anyway and how do you know who you're dealing with? I guess it all depends on our discernment of each situation.

Seems to me that you already employed your discernment and came to a good conclusion - you are a precious spiritual unit in this universe and you needn't prove it to any Authority to Be..i think we had enough of priests and guruhs over the eons..

You/we do not ask for any self proclaimed authority to interpret "higher order" of the spiritual eveolution..be it on or off this forum. Blooodoftheberry is indulging in analysing a very very dubious source to say the least..HH material is best ignored, left to oblivion..
best wishes

[AscendingStarseed]

Originally Posted by Moxie

You could do a search on this site for Hidden Hand, it went the rounds here over a year ago I think.

I imagine like myself there a lot of people who weren't on this site a year ago who wouldn't know to look for it...didn't know it existed until I stumbled on it somewhere else so with luck I can do the same favor for someone else here. Interesting info most of which resonated deeply, glad I found it and was interested in feedback from other members

[Panta rhei]

Originally Posted by AscendingStarseed

I imagine like myself there a lot of people who weren't on this site a year ago who wouldn't know to look for it...didn't know it existed until I stumbled on it somewhere else so with luck I can do the same favor for someone else here. Interesting info most of which resonated deeply, glad I found it and was interested in feedback from other members

I didn't know this existed either so thank you very much for posting this. I was very impressed by this discourse too and the information resonates strongly with me. The point of negativity being a catalyst for learning and those beings providing this catalyst, sacrificing themselves... puts a whole new light on things. Amazing stuff.

I didn't read the Ra Material yet but must say the many comments about it just made me slightly curious... will put it on my book list.

[Neo]

The info regarding working on self I agree with. The history of mankind and why all this is happening seems a little stupid and pointless to me. So once upon a time we were all blissful, happy and enlightened but we werent progressing because of it?!! All this negativity is to show us 'what we are not'?!?! I would like to meet this creator god first hand to tell him he is an idiot.

The 'family bloodline' thing is also an insulting joke in my view. 'We are enlightened and you are not, and you can not be part of our family. We are negative in order to make you positive'. (anyone else see this as retarded and promotes the concept of seperation even more?)
What a nice thought it is to think that you are only on this planet because you are quarantined, put simply (you are too dumb and dangerous to be anywhere else) and the only way to evolve is to live a life of self sacrifice.
WOW that sounds enticing!
We are only so dumb and dangerous cos we've been made that way, socially and genetically!!

How about, Educate the whole human race completely and this could all be over with!
Please excuse the cynicism guys but if this message is really about helping us to enlightenment, then why does there always exist the cloak and dagger BS?
Oh thats right 'we cant infringe upon free will' lmao... so the gradual manipulation by deception is not an infringment?.... ahh thats the fine print.


GGGGRRRR!!

[AscendingStarseed]

I guess it's a matter of perspective and interpretation Neo, I also think that on a Universal level it's all sooo very complicated the finite nature of our brains really don't have to capacity to understand what Life is about...and when we are inspired by an enlightened vision of the Truth that it's beyond the capacity of our language structure to effectively communicate the true nature of God's agenda on a level that will be universal understood by humans. This kind of subject matter usually elicits a uniquely individual response from everyone that reads

[housemouse2]

Originally Posted by AscendingStarseed

Dialogue with "Hidden Hand", Self-Proclaimed Illuminati Insider
Here's the link to the dialogue between the Above Top Secret members [ATS] and "Hidden Hand" [HH],

http://wespenre.blogspot.com/2009/02...hand-self.html

Well, I tried to stomach that 'interview" and now I will tell what is really is. A PR stunt. First HH contradicts himself often. I especially love how he insist that in order to "harvest" souls the earth need to be negative and people need to be selfish. Thus there will be lost of negative events in the world. However, it's a documented fact that catastrophe does just the opposite and brings beings to their best over all.

Next, his reasoning of "doing my duty" is just insane. There is no logical reasoning to admit this "secret info" to conspiracy theory based forums. This is pure entertainment!!!!

I'm actually laughing as I right this review. I probably could have wrote that "interview" half drunk, in the middle of the night.

The internet is a battle ground as well as an entertainment industry. Yes, you can get real info in real time from real sources but you also get...Hidden Hand who is actually in my estimation a computer geek, who eats Hot Pockets and has way too much time on his hands.

If that interview was real and the "Illuminati" are what was said. We have nothing to worry about. LOL.

[lightblue]

agree completely. ..
bw