Martial Arts - Have you trained or not?

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by Steven

Maybe I shouldnt mention it here, but I know what you are talking about, because I did it, twice, legitimate defense.

Namaste, Steven

Yeah, I've been there too. That's what I always liked about bjj, if you're good, you can disable an opponent without getting hurt or having to hurt them. I work in a bar, and there's been a few times where a drunk gets rambunctious and got put to sleep. They always swing wild and leave their head hanging out there for a quick guillotine or d'arce choke. They'll wake up right away from a blood choke, the carotid opens up instantly when you let go, just hafta know when to, to protect the chokee as it were. Waking up on the floor usually humbles 'em pretty quickly.

[Swanny]

I did Shotokai Karate when I was 15 for almost two years. Our teacher didn't believe in grading so we only graded once after 3 months and never again. I tried Shotokan but didn't like that. I have now been doing Shotokai again for a year now my class is only me and two 3rd dan black belts so I get very good teaching.

Seems like we are a force to be reckoned with

[Steven]

Originally Posted by raulduke

Yeah, I've been there too. That's what I always liked about bjj, if you're good, you can disable an opponent without getting hurt or having to hurt them. I work in a bar, and there's been a few times where a drunk gets rambunctious and got put to sleep. They always swing wild and leave their head hanging out there for a quick guillotine or d'arce choke. They'll wake up right away from a blood choke, the carotid opens up instantly when you let go, just hafta know when to, to protect the chokee as it were. Waking up on the floor usually humbles 'em pretty quickly.

Hehe, I can imagine the scene... In brasil, this choke is called 'Mata Leon'. Means 'lion killer'. Still my favorite...

Namaste, Steven

[lawyerforliberty]

I studied Hung Gar (Tiger/Crane) Kung Fu 1972-78 in the San Francisco Bay Area after I got out of the Army. In the Army I received what was called hand-to-hand combat training. Some basic stuff, like the rear strangle take down hold and perrying. I was in the 82nd as an 11 Bravo (infantry) soldier, but we never got any more training. I think they expected us to shoot and blow things up rather than get into hand-to-hand.

In the '90s I studied Kempo Karate for many years. That is a very hard form. It is heavily focused on physical fitness, which is very important.

There are really only a hand full of strikes and kicks that one needs to master. The rest is tradition and show. That was Bruce Lee's point and why he developed Jeet Kun Do (spelling).

Elbows and knees can be lethal. Eyes and ears are very sensitive targets. No matter how large and strong your opponent, he/she has senstive eyes and ears, no more impervious than anyone else.

The most effective form of self defense is to not need it. "The art of fighting without fighting."

[hummingbird775]

Me and my girlfriend both train Mixed martial arts, I read the Tao by Bruce Lee first when i was 19 and it changed my life.

Martial arts increases awareness, in several different ways and definitely can be used to increase one's higher connection with first source or creation.

Shinya Aoki some of the best jiu jitsu, Fedor Emelianenko is amazing.

"Self Knowledge is the basis of Jeet Kune Do because it is effective, not only for the individual's martial art, but also for his life as human being" Bruce Lee. human becoming.. great to be here look forward to contributing

[Shaynard]

Originally Posted by hummingbird775

, I read the Tao by Bruce Lee first when i was 19 and it changed my life.


"Self Knowledge is the basis of Jeet Kune Do because it is effective, not only for the individual's martial art, but also for his life as human being" Bruce Lee. human becoming.. great to be here look forward to contributing

Great to see it was all worthwhile. Rewards come in mysterious ways it seems. The beauty of this form of existence.

"Although you were told before, your ears could not hear. Perhaps your eyes will have better luck"

In light, of love
Shaynard

[She-Ra]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

That's new to me. Why is that?

Probably considered a weapon, or unfair advantage in a fight, so like with a gun you have to be registered. Yes many things can be considered a weapon, but martial arts is a system of training and could be called a vetting process whereas anyone can go and buy weapons other than legally getting a gun and use them so they can't realistically have a register for that except keeping record of financial receipts if not paid with by cash.

If you ever get into a fight, in the UK, even in self defense you have to tell the other person(s) that you are martial arts trained and you're not allowed to use it on them, so basically you have to street fight or get beaten up. The laws might have changed though and it might be interesting to look up what the nuances are on people fighting in in a public where all parties know marital arts. Maybe the same as 'normal' fights - public disturbance, ASBO's, ABH/GBH etc.

[Jnana]

Originally Posted by She-Ra

in the UK, even in self defense you have to tell the other person(s) that you are martial arts trained and you're not allowed to use it on them, so basically you have to street fight or get beaten up.

Do you have references for this? How would they ever legally define "street fight". Is a martial artist supposed to forget how to block and punch, both of which become much more effective with training? "Oh, I'll just block half as well as I normally do." Is someone with jujitsu training supposed to forget submission holds which could end the fight with no one getting hurt?

In the US, there are laws against excessive use of force in a self-defense situation. Martial artists are held to a higher standard because they supposedly know how much damage they are causing, so your training can be a liability in a court room. But then, we also have "make my day" laws in certain states that allow deadly use of force against intruders in your home. It's worthwhile to know your local laws on such matters.

I hold dan rank in Tae Kwon Do and Jujitsu but I'm not training much at the moment. I'm getting too old for this stuff.

[She-Ra]

It's too blurred an area for me to give exact references, what is generally known about it comes from the self defense section of UK Common Law. Everything I've seen on it before are general reviews because it's not statutory, and seems to be dealt with by individual case with specific legal advice and for those dealing with it to decide at a later date whether the behaviour came under a statute or remains under common law.

Just did a quick brush up and it seems the having to warn the other person(s) is no longer but martial artists have a duty to avoid conflict but if they cannot then like any other person they have to use reasonable action and if the fight escalates, escalate accordingly and if it lessons, then lesson their action too. BUT, in practice, in court they will have to prove that your behaviour was excessive and to determine whether it was self defense or revenge, they will examine that in hindsight obviously. In that situation, people will generally put the onus on the trained person to know better and even though it could have been situation that happened quickly and without warning people will generally expect the practitioner to have better instincts. It can be easily argued in all sorts of ways on an individual basis so the advice is generally to try and retreat or show reluctance and if that doesn't work then to try and neutralize the threat efficiently and without 'too much' damage in which case jujitsu is well designed.

How to define a street fight - exactly. That was just my terminology - but just not doing anything too obvious, that a non-practitioner wouldn't likely do is a safe idea. The public and courts aren't likely to look down on you for blocking, but if you have an obvious advantage and use it too well, people don't tend to like that.

[TRANCOSO]

Originally Posted by She-Ra

If you ever get into a fight, in the UK, even in self defense you have to tell the other person(s) that you are martial arts trained and you're not allowed to use it on them, so basically you have to street fight or get beaten up. The laws might have changed though and it might be interesting to look up what the nuances are on people fighting in in a public where all parties know marital arts. Maybe the same as 'normal' fights - public disturbance, ASBO's, ABH/GBH etc.

In Holland you also have to tell someone your hands & feet are deadly weapons, before you beat 'm up.
I always try to avoid fighting, but if no other option is left, I strike first.

[She-Ra]

Originally Posted by TRANCOSO

In Holland you also have to tell someone your hands & feet are deadly weapons, before you beat 'm up.
I always try to avoid fighting, but if no other option is left, I strike first.

Ah, you don't have to do that here anymore, but it's advised to try and avoid or back out of fights and if you can't, a pre-emptive strike is allowed as long as it doesn't do the kind of damage that light sabre would.

[raulduke]

Originally Posted by hummingbird775

Shinya Aoki some of the best jiu jitsu,

Absolutely, his last fight on new year's, rolling with that hammer lock was beautiful, but the post broken arm antics, well, he's a very poor sport. Would love to see him fight Penn.

Originally Posted by hummingbird775

Fedor Emelianenko is amazing.

Agreed, prolly the best p4p in the world though I'd like to see him fight some of the more recent big names in HW mma. Anderson Silva might be a better argument for p4p, but Fedor's more mysterious so he gets the nod from me, plus he's not afraid to arm bar God....

Originally Posted by She-Ra

....it's advised to try and avoid or back out of fights and if you can't, a pre-emptive strike is allowed as long as it doesn't do the kind of damage that light sabre would.

Agreed. Nothing good ever comes from a street fight, best to swallow any pride and concede to the drunks, unless all diplomatic avenues have been exhausted. Of course there are some clever ways to avoid a fight. I like this guy's approach, just embarass the would be bad guy into slinking away.



Almost forgot why I came back to this thread in the first place. I just finished watching Bill's new ww3 scenario vid, and the end reminded me of this interview with the late Evan Tanner. He was a self taught mma world champ, and died far too soon. A good man with his "message for a better world" here.

[Heretic]

I'm kind of a jack of all trades in the arts; an expert some could say, but master of none (well maybe my own "mutt" art I suppose)

I started at the age of 12 in the mid 70s...and I am still learning at 47yrs old

I am not belted in any style and only studied in a few schools here and there (and usually not for long - always less than a year) as I learned most of what I know from individuals and one on one training due to friendships with those who shared the same intensity and obsession with the arts as I have through out my life.

my art leans more towards the hard styles with qigong as a complementary accompaniment so I have only started messing with the Fa Jing bearing arts in the last 5 years and boy do I wish I had come across this stuff earlier in my life! Unfortunately it was still way taboo to teach to Americans back then

strangely enough...

...I have learned a great deal of my art from dreams

I am firmly convinced that I spent a life (or more) in ancient china as a monk or something similarly connected to the early arts

PS: I want to get into a dojo with all of you and PLAY!

[hummingbird775]

great post raulduke ( a fear and loathing reference i believe) thank you for posting the tanner videos i had never seen.. very moving especially knowing how his story ended up

[monique]

when i was eleven learn judo a few weeks - i can remember that in the first lesson we learn to fall and found this very interesting monique.

[Swanny]

Check this out

Chi Kung

[gita]

I trained in kickboxing which also incorporated wrestling, Kung Fu, jiu-jitsu, thai, Tae Kwon Do... It was hard going but the skills stay with you for a life time. My sensei also trained us in Kukri and Japanese swords which were my favourite. I got my daughter into training since she was four years old and now she’s twelve and is a first dan. Here’s a youtube vid of her. She’s the taller one and sparing with a boy.

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by gita

I trained in kickboxing which also incorporated wrestling, Kung Fu, jiu-jitsu, thai, Tae Kwon Do... It was hard going but the skills stay with you for a life time. My sensei also trained us in Kukri and Japanese swords which were my favourite. I got my daughter into training since she was four years old and now she’s twelve and is a first dan. Here’s a youtube vid of her. She’s the taller one and sparing with a boy.

Boy...he was outclassed....

[Stargazer1965]

Aerobic kick boxing trainer....not real martial arts but it brought the "evenness" that I always lacked.

I'd did 6 classes a week for 3 hours a night.

Best shape I was ever in.

Peace

[Tali]

I trained in FT Lauderdale Murphy's law of martial arts back in 2002 Ben Murphy's that is. You are gonna find a few of his friends frequenting this forum as if he can't defend himself we will.

Also Krav Maaga the best form of self defense imo, not ring fighting. Tai Chi is not bad for mobility and chillaxing the bod.

[NicholaQuinn]

Muay Thai, but would have loved to have a go at womens MMA.x

[gita]

Originally Posted by Stargazer1965

Boy...he was outclassed....

She's pretty good but her problem is that she's so darn lazy and can't be bothered to put in the extra effort - drives me nuts. Her sensei wants to put her in competitions but she's not that way inclined which I find quiet refreshing - plus she says that if she ever gets in a ring she probably get her **** kicked - that's my gal!

[Steven]

I began Martial Arts with shaolin Kung Fu for about 5-6 years. Then trained in Brazil 4 years Brasilian Jiu-jitsu, since then I keep training Jiu-jitsu, but on and off since the birth of my kids. It's been over 20 years now and still have the passion for the do-jo.

I tasted a bit of Shintaido, created by master Aoki in Japan, amazing man.

Namaste, Steven

[Greetings]

I did Tae Kwon Do when i was younger, but can't say i remember much to use instinctually.


I did take Judo when i was in college a couple years ago, and that definitely broke some barriers for me.

After that I got really serious on the "route sending" rock climbing scene, and watched my body transform before me.

I now practice Qigong sets and work with energy flow + ashtanga vinyassa yoga - but im kinda just going at my own pace. I'd like to see what i'm capable of in a spar now.

Overall, I'd have to give it to the climbing/Movement meditation (Qigung) - it changed how i operate my body, from such a simple thing as grabbing a door handle or using a fork.

I also play piano, and with my resignation in the party-play business (ever seen eyes wide shut?) i've come to think ive got some deadly hands if it ever came to it.

[Steve_A]

Hi Anchor,

I trained traditional Kung Fu (Shaolin do Norte) for four years. I took time out and I'm back in the gym to get me back up to strength (or trying to!) so I can get back in the saddle so's to speak.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by Anchor

I read in another thread about Martial Arts and it set me thinking I wonder how many people on this forum have martial arts training? (I'd guess quite a few).

In my case several years of Wu Shu Kwan Kung Fu - I blame David Carradine and the TV series Kung Fu in the 70's for that little diversion I learned it before the UK had all the martial arts registered and licensed by the "Martial Arts Commission". I decided not to do the blackbelt grading (even though I was ready) because I didn't want to go on the black belt register.

There has always been a strong link between sprituality and martial arts in my experience.

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