Plane intentionally crashed into Gov. Buliding - Austin Texas

[Gevaudan]

Repost...Sorry 'bout that.

This is the man's supposed suicide letter. It speaks for itself:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/im...ter.pdf?hpt=T1

[Stargazer1965]

Oh my God.....How sad.........

[orthodoxymoron]

Alex Jones to the rescue! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pStYTRvOT0M http://www.infowars.com/eyewitness-h...e-plane-crash/

In the second link...the young lady says that the plane was low enough to see the pilot...but she didn't see the pilot. Hmmm. She also said that fire and hazmat vehicles were ready to go close by before the plane crashed. Hmmm. Is there confirmation of the positively identified pilot's body being removed from the scene? Did anyone see the pilot flying the plane before the crash? How about the radar data? Traffic controller statements, etc? Probably just a lone nut. Why is it always a lone nut? Hmmmmm.

[Humble Janitor]

It doesn't matter if he makes sense or not.

He chose a very poor way to get it across and it should not be condoned.

[enemyofNWO]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

It doesn't matter if he makes sense or not.

He chose a very poor way to get it across and it should not be condoned.

I think the guy is a hero . People here have forgotten that when the laws of the government are unjust , the citizen has the right to take arms against that government . That' s what happened at the time of the civil war in the USA . Now the situation is reaching the point of civil war . The signs are there for everybody to see . People are stocking up on food , ammunitions and weapons . In the original revolution only a small percentage of the population took arms and succeeded . If only 5 percent of the population participate to the new revolution that will be 15 million people that is many time the size of the US army . Of course guerrilla tactics will be used and small independent teams will wreck for good the government's ability to govern and collect taxes . People should do well to see the movie " The battle of Algiers " by the Italian filmmaker Pontecorvo .
I believe that a lot of people in the world feel the same on those issues .
People should read the comments people have made on this issue on the "infowar" website to get a feel about the reality .
I do not know what the 2012 will bring but I think that when the government policies are to reduce the population , the population has the divine right to exterminate the government leaders .

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by enemyofNWO

I think the guy is a hero . People here have forgotten that when the laws of the government are unjust , the citizen has the right to take arms against that government .

You forgot that his actions killed someone. is he now a martyr for this foolish "tea party" movement?

There's a right way and a wrong way to do things and this is definitely the wrong way.

That' s what happened at the time of the civil war in the USA . Now the situation is reaching the point of civil war . The signs are there for everybody to see . People are stocking up on food , ammunitions and weapons.

Then why is the crime rate going down across the country? I'm not seeing it. It must all be in your head.

In the original revolution only a small percentage of the population took arms and succeeded . If only 5 percent of the population participate to the new revolution that will be 15 million people that is many time the size of the US army . Of course guerrilla tactics will be used and small independent teams will wreck for good the government's ability to govern and collect taxes .

You act as if taxes are the worst thing the U.S government has imposed upon us. You're forgetting two unjust wars in the past decade, plus lots of other nasty stuff. Taxes are nothing compared to other things our government has done.

You're playing right into their hands if you go through with this "revolution" of yours. But hey, you can't stop the willing.

[enemyofNWO]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

You forgot that his actions killed someone. is he now a martyr for this foolish "tea party" movement?

There's a right way and a wrong way to do things and this is definitely the wrong way.



Then why is the crime rate going down across the country? I'm not seeing it. It must all be in your head.



You act as if taxes are the worst thing the U.S government has imposed upon us. You're forgetting two unjust wars in the past decade, plus lots of other nasty stuff. Taxes are nothing compared to other things our government has done.

You're playing right into their hands if you go through with this "revolution" of yours. But hey, you can't stop the willing.

There are people who believe in " the foolish tea party movement " and the the ones that sit and talk about peace in a world where all the civil rights are erased . I am lucky i do not reside in the USA , however I am subjected to daily gangstalking, monitoring etc . So I got nothing to lose by speaking my mind . In a world where the politicians speak about human rights but do not apply them , their policies caused over on million dead in Iraq alone . So when you hint at the santity of life be aware that to the crims in government one life equal one bullet , that's how much life is worth .

There are right ways and wrong ways of doing things ? Who can say what is right and what is wrong ? The government crims ? Or some ascended nincompoop ? Or the bloodsuckers in the Vatican ?

The crime rate is low ? There are statistic and lies . The manipulated statistics say that the economy is recovering . Ah Ah .

You mention " unjust taxes " . But with the taxes also come the fact that the wishes of the citizens are ignored . The system puts in leaders that after the election ignore all the promises they made to the electorate . No representation and wars of conquests in your name .

I am just saying what I see the future will be there . Just wait when the proverbial brown stuff hits the fan and then we can restart this conversation .
Be well
Pessimistic enemy

[Rocky_Shorz]

The sad part is when the brown stuff hits the fan, we most likely won't be able to restart this conversation...

The time for discussion and action is now while we still have voices...

[Humble Janitor]

Enemy,

I still think you're full of **** but it's all fine and dandy. This forum attracts people from different backgrounds.

I just don't see any justification for what the man did, crashing his plane and killing someone in the process.

That's for people who refuse to get involved and MAKE the changes they want to see. You can bitch about the government and crash into them but that's not going to change anything. They are just going to crack down even more. You make change by challenging those in power, head to head, face to face.

[enemyofNWO]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Enemy,

I still think you're full of **** but it's all fine and dandy. This forum attracts people from different backgrounds.

I just don't see any justification for what the man did, crashing his plane and killing someone in the process.

That's for people who refuse to get involved and MAKE the changes they want to see. You can bitch about the government and crash into them but that's not going to change anything. They are just going to crack down even more. You make change by challenging those in power, head to head, face to face.

Everybody has his way of dealing with things . That is what i know . For me
people can do what they like but nothing will change if at least a decent minority of people don't take action . I have no faith that a sufficient number of people will wake up in time and will stop cooperating with the PTB .
So who am I to say that crashing a plane into that building is a criminal act ? If the US government can organize wars under false pretenses , certainly people are justified in crashing their planes into government buildings . When a government behaves like the enemy of the citizens , they have the holy right to take arms against the government . It happened many times in the long human history . Be well

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by enemyofNWO

Everybody has his way of dealing with things . That is what i know . For me
people can do what they like but nothing will change if at least a decent minority of people don't take action . I have no faith that a sufficient number of people will wake up in time and will stop cooperating with the PTB .
So who am I to say that crashing a plane into that building is a criminal act ? If the US government can organize wars under false pretenses , certainly people are justified in crashing their planes into government buildings . When a government behaves like the enemy of the citizens , they have the holy right to take arms against the government . It happened many times in the long human history . Be well

You know Enemy...I used to think as you...but as I thought and looked.

I go up and give the Louisville Slugger treatment to the head of the local congressman.

He's dead ...I'm covered with brain matter and blood.

And I did not change a thing.

I actually supported the other side....I played right into their hands.

Even though I'm sane...took an ink blot test right before the act...paid my taxes

I just gave ammo to the PTB to put in the gun to hold against my kid's head.

No ...that's not the way

Gentle ...unstoppable pressure for a better tomorrow

Peace Y'all

[orthodoxymoron]

This time it's an infowar. Running in the streets sucks. I think we're about half-way through this infowar...and it has everything to do with 'disclosure'. Alex Jones is a gutsy, clear-thinking crusader who I admire greatly. But his style is not my style. I don't listen to his show much anymore...because I don't wish to program myself with anger and turmoil. I really don't think violence is the answer at all...at home or abroad. Even if it was the answer...the technology out there is utterly devastating. Consider the AA-12. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnrizaO-X00 That diabolical device would make quite a mess...wouldn't it? Of course...if foreign troops and extraterrestrials come marching down my street...who knows?

[enemyofNWO]

Greetings Orthy ,

Yes i know what you mean . I bought the Half Past human reports and the picture painted there is very bleak and i can see the signs . I agree that the underbelly of all the problems is " Disclosure " but who knows if we will ever see it . In the meantime the conditioning of the population continues with Hollywood . I wish it was possible to achieve a good outcome a la Gandhi , but the NWO will never relinquish their control peacefully . They will fight and will be exterminated . History has a habit of repeating itself over and over . I would not be surprised if another Kristallnacht is in the pipeline . After all a certain group has been thrown out from over 60 countries in the last 2000 years .

[Halvor]

Apparently Andrew Joseph Stack struck a nerve with a lot of people, despite the spin from several sources attempting to portray him as crazy and to marginalize all who sympathize with him. Within hours following the plane crash and the spread of information about his manifesto, dozens of Facebook support groups for Stack were created. However, these were swiftly closed down by Facebook. I have not yet seen the argument for doing so, although at least two news outlets have followed up on this development:

Facebook takes down groups supporting Austin crash pilot at Wikinews
Kamakazi pilot Joe Stack, who crashed plane into Austin building, hailed by anti-government groups at New York Daily News

[lindabaker]

When the Tibetan monk burned himself alive protesting the Vietnam war, no one called him a lone nut.

[Majorion]

I think the bigger picture here, and what this event signifies more than anything, is the increasing civil unrest conflict and instability in America, especially since and after 9/11.

If you look at all the comments at the bottom of these mainstream articles, you'll find people fighting over whether its left or right and which political party is to blame.

[enemyofNWO]

Originally Posted by Majorion

I think the bigger picture here, and what this event signifies more than anything, is the increasing civil unrest conflict and instability in America, especially since and after 9/11.

If you look at all the comments at the bottom of these mainstream articles, you'll find people fighting over whether its left or right and which political party is to blame.

Really it does not matter to which party the pilot of the plane belonged . The parties are divisions of the population and we know who and what that suits .
What is important is his gesture of defiance and rebellion . Now about Facebook , as we have seen i, t can be used to the advantage of the people at large . It so happens consistently the owners of that secret service outfit might be forced to close it . Wouldn't that be great ?

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by enemyofNWO

Really it does not matter to which party the pilot of the plane belonged . The parties are divisions of the population and we know who and what that suits .
What is important is his gesture of defiance and rebellion . Now about Facebook , as we have seen i, t can be used to the advantage of the people at large . It so happens consistently the owners of that secret service outfit might be forced to close it . Wouldn't that be great ?

ENWO....

I had to sit down and think about this one...I spoke to the wife last night and her exact words were "The blood suckers got what they deserved"

For she is a dainty flower

Not really...they were folks going to work...trying to scrape a living out...feeding their families

Just like you and me

Yeah they work for the MAN...but don't a lot of us do...A company owned by a company...owned by a Rockefeller

If he burned himself in front of the building....then that is an act of rebellion and holds a statement.

Don't take folks with you....it's eternally selfish.

But it should never get to the point it did....Take all that energy and funnel it into making a difference.

In my opinion...he took the easy ride out

Staying

Now there's the hard part

Peace Y'all

[enemyofNWO]

Originally Posted by Stargazer1965

ENWO....


"If he burned himself in front of the building....then that is an act of rebellion and holds a statement.

Don't take folks with you....it's eternally selfish.

Doing that would not have had the same impact . The target was the building of the bloodsuckers which is a symbol of of the criminal government . The victims were unintended although a person should expect that an act like that would have unexpected victims . However the judgment of the plane pilot was clouded by his extreme personal situation ( losing his job and the house ) . His sacrifice will probably have an impact on the psyche of the population at large .

[orthodoxymoron]

I keep saying that this is an infowar...and that violence is almost always wrong. I assume that every word I type on the internet is monitored and recorded...and that every word I speak into my cell-phone is monitored and recorded. Sometimes I say 'hi guys'! I even assume that they go inside my house when I'm not home. (they always forget to flush the toilet) A certain amount of monitoring is understandable and even expected...but I think they've gone way too far...and if violence kicks in...they'll go even further...and we'll all be under marshal law...with a suspended Constitution. Actually...why would that be a problem...the U.N. Charter already supercedes the U.S. Constitution...doesn't it? These are the times which try men's (and women's) souls. We need cool-heads and evolutionary change for the better...rather than hot-heads and revolutionary change for the worse. I think the bad guys and gals want us to get really fired-up...and start running in the streets with torches and pitchforks. Then they can really crack-down on all of us useless feeders. We the People of Earth are the New Elites. We need to start thinking and acting like it. Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom trumps the New World Order aka the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFvtLhxmx9U
Presenter: The Offspring
Album: Conspiracy of One
Lyrics:
If I had a perfect day
I would have it start this way
Open up the fridge and have a tall boy
Yeah
Then I'd meet up with my friends
Head out to the game again
We don't even really care who wins
Now excitement seems to grow
When we're hangin' with the bro's
When we're chillin' and we pound a case of Stroh's
Now the game is cool to see
You can "High 5" on TV
Count the riot on the one two three
Operation is in sight
And the field is open wide
When you break it then you know you're still alive
If the cops don't make you pay
And you make your getaway
Then you know
That's one fine day
On that day before we're through
We could torch a car or two
Then have ourselves another tall boy
Yeah
Water hoses and batons
That's the real game that's on
I don't really give a **** who wins
I believe it's my god-given right
To destroy everything in my sight
Cause it never gets dull, it never gets old
The only thing it gets is more bold
Drinkin', fightin', going to the game
In our world it's a way to stay sane
If you're asking me
To have it my way, I'd say that's
One fine day

Hi guys! Duly noted? Top of the Red List? Damn! I was afraid of that. Can't we just all get along? Don't vaccinate me bro! Ahhhhhhh!!!!

[orthodoxymoron]

The "Falling Down" syndrome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Q_nbw2Xvo is a very real and very present danger. Here's the first part of the full movie "Falling Down". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcKv...eature=related It's worth taking a very thoughtful look at. We seem to be on the precipice in so many ways. Millions or even Billions of people are on the edge. Life is hard. Things go wrong. People are aggravated. People are frustrated. People are disillusioned. People go broke. People get $crewed. People get hurt. And sometimes...when they've lost everything...they lose it. I really like the police and military people I come in contact with on a daily basis...but they may find themselves in the middle of an almost impossible situation. I hope not...but I worry, and worry, and worry...and I'll bet that they do to.

More Offspring! Go Noodles!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPzpsJEf8yo&NR=1
Presenter: The Offspring
Album: Conspiracy of One
Lyrics:

Gotta sing a song, And it goes like this

Somewhere the time was right
Could've been gone in ten
This world is hard to fight
Hitting you once, hit it again
To know the way it feels
Everyone gets knocked down
When you get up it's real
Taking it back, turn it around

Get on it, up on it, get on it
Wouldn't wanna be you
Get on it, up on it, get on it
No one's gonna free you
You know when you're keeping it slow
Matter where you wanna go
Wouldn't wanna be you
Get on it, up on it
It's on when you're living in chaos

Somewhere along the line
Things get chipped away
This place keeps going down
Get a little worse every day
I see the hate and greed
Swear it's a messed up town
Embrace the pain and see
Taking in back, turn it around

Get on it, up on it, get on it
Wouldn't wanna be you
Get on it, up on it, get on it
No one's gonna free you
You know when you're keeping it slow
Matter where you wanna go
Wouldn't wanna be you
Get on it, up on it
It's on

Falling,
Falling,
Falling,
Falling..

Ya ya ya
Ya ya ya
Ya ya ya
Ya ya ya

Gotta sing a song, man it goes like this

Somewhere the time was right
Could've been gone in ten
This world is hard to fight
Hitting you once, hit it again
To know the way it feels
Everyone gets knocked down
When you get up it's real

Falling,
Falling,
Falling,
Falling..
(Ya ya ya)
Get on it, up on it, get on it
(Ya ya ya)
Get on it, up on it, get on it
No one's gonna free you
Get on it, up on it, get on it
(Ya ya ya)

Namaste

[metaw3]

I'm starting to see articles in the French Canadian MSM asking if the Tea Party movement is a sect. What's interesting is that the journalist removed the article before it could be read, but it was too late to prevent the title from appearing in my RSS reader:

http://blogues.cyberpresse.ca/hetu/2...-il-une-secte/


The title is "Is the Tea Party movement a sect?" and there is no article. Was it removed because it was too edgy? We'll see if he reposts it later or not. His preceeding article was about the Austin plane crash so this latest one might have been a commentary about the pilot and his political message.

[enemyofNWO]

"Désolé, aucun article ne correspond à vos critères. "

I am sorry no article correspond to the search .

It is obvious that the article in question was pulled . What is important about this incident that some people have not grasped is this . This is one of the very few times when an individual has targeted a building full of government officials. This is the reason why the creeps in government are agitated . They see this as a sign of things to come in the near future . The specter of the lone wolf acting on his own or supported by very few people using no phones , no internet , no radio communications ,just hit and run guerrilla warfare . Impossible to penetrate and extremely hard to eradicate . So far the terrorist acts against civilians in the US and Europe have been perpetrated by the government terrorist or people controlled by them . For example 9/11 , London , Bali ect .
So I believe that if any future terrorist act has innocent civilians victims , the responsible people are the different alphabet soup agencies starting from CIA , Mossad , MI6 , NSA etc . But if the victims are spooks or government employees in that case the " terrorist act " is actually the result of an awakening population feeling pis@@@ off. In short I will never believe any story about "terrorists " when the victims are civilians .

[observer]

The latest info update from Alex on the Joseph Stack link to 9/11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9sdYhAuG2g&NR=1

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by observer

The latest info update from Alex on the Joseph Stack link to 9/11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9sdYhAuG2g&NR=1

Darn it observer...I just watched this...and was going to post it...but you beat me to it. That information blew me away. I had suspected something screwy from the beginning (see earlier posts)...but this really points to something major. Alex is so quick and brave. I'm slow and timid. I guess it takes all kinds. I admire Alex...but sometimes he scares me.

Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom