Wilcock Lies Proven

[Myplanet2]

Probably shouldn't sweat too much small stuff. A little shuffled chronology doesn't seem all that important in the bigger picture.

David is a good guy. He's one of a tiny minority who is consistently trying to get people to worry less and focus less on the negative.

Ironic for him to be jumped on for a small gaff.

Perhaps having a look at what David got right, in that long, and jam packed conversation would be a bit more generous?

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Let me just say as well, thank you Bill and Kerry for giving Wilcock, and myself, a forum to discuss these incredibly important topics.

However, we need truth. People like Wilcock make me really mad. If he is so fundamentally wrong on such an important figure ("father of the modern illuminati), what else is he wrong about? He claims to be a researcher. He gets money to speak in public arenas. Who agrees that he should be called out on this?

I want the truth, and from the evidence I have reviewed (documentary, both paper and interviews), there is a government cover up. Just for starters, there was something at Roswell that the U.S. government doesn't want to come clean about. However, as citizen of the universe who hates on-one, recognizes my own circumstances as the product of my decisions, and desires nothing more than to just be an honest guy, I really can't stand liars. I can't stand those who would take advantage of those seekers who want nothing more than the truth.

Truth is what we all hunt for, especially here, and I think Wilcock - after that last Project Camelot interview - is just muddying the waters. That, I think, is the truth. What you all have to ask yourselves is this: Is it intentional, or just a "mistake." Consider the disinformation factor.

The HistoryCircus (Because history is full of clowns)

i got a good idea
history circus...you start a new thread
and, a fresh clean page ...
entitle it "father of the illuminati"
and, see who posts to it !!!

recently here,
i called them "the ills"
maybe, that was the first time,
someone was brave enough,
to call them that ...

one way, or another, i will get into those history books

keep smiling ...

there are probably a lot of good people
here, who can help you

warmest regards
susan
the eXchanger

[ADAM KADMON]

Greetings;

In my humble opinion, David Wilcock has been infected with "fame". I understand that you can't diagnose someone with a "fame" disease, but his choice of words on some of his latest interviews, such as referring to himself as "the talent" --

His attempted entry into Hollywood with making a movie, and his selective vanity someone compels me to look away with someone centralizing their message not on themselves.

I think A LOT of what he talks about is gathered from 3rd parties, and other sources, and is not direct knowledge. In fact, my introduction to David Wilcock was with the Project Camelot interview where he talks about how he ready hundreds of books on ESP and the likes at a young age. And as you all know, reading books and watching movies about bank robbers doesn't make you one.

Regardless, I mean to say nothing negative about David Wilcock or taint his reputation however; there is a "collective" feeling and attitude of skeptiscm surround Mr. Wilock and I believe that such feelings are justified for one reason or another.

Michael St. Claire doesn't need any more positive reinforcement, but for the sake of keeping things balanced I do endorse St. Claire to the fullest. His message and his work genuinely uplifts, and has acquired his fame by the virtue of his work. It was not his intention to acquire fame through his work unlike, "The Reincarnation of..."

Respectfully,
Adam K.

[rustanddust]

Originally Posted by ADAM KADMON

Greetings;

In my humble opinion, David Wilcock has been infected with "fame". I understand that you can't diagnose someone with a "fame" disease, but his choice of words on some of his latest interviews, such as referring to himself as "the talent" --

His attempted entry into Hollywood with making a movie, and his selective vanity someone compels me to look away with someone centralizing their message not on themselves.

I think A LOT of what he talks about is gathered from 3rd parties, and other sources, and is not direct knowledge. In fact, my introduction to David Wilcock was with the Project Camelot interview where he talks about how he ready hundreds of books on ESP and the likes at a young age. And as you all know, reading books and watching movies about bank robbers doesn't make you one.

Adam dude..... I gotta agree he does put me off a bit....

[eaglespirit]

Historycircus, how are you?

annnnd...WHAT are you doing?...exactly!

David Wilcock was simply saying that Bacon was "lying" to the people and "coercing" the people to try to get them to get over to America in masses to fulfill his devious agenda, period.

David mis-stated in the phone conversation...and was basically saying what Bacon was doing to inspire expeditions of conquerors years AFTER the discovery by Columbus to manipulate settlement so the the "new" Atlantis could be set up to control the world.

I do not understand why people do things like this...twisting and turning everything and then everyone grabs hold of something that points a finger...like the title of this thread!

Check the Project Camelot transcript of the phone call,,,it was edited and corrected so the misunderstanding would not take place like it has here.

David Wilcock is NOT a liar..he does a tremendous amount of work and research and is bound to have something be said that SEEMS like it crosses timelines but does not.

Here is the part in the transcript corrected:

Well, Bacon discovers that there were plans from Atlantean prophecies to create a new Atlantis. And they even said where it would be, that it would be this undiscovered land in the western hemisphere, which they didn’t even know to exist. So he found maps of the Earth, secret maps, that showed the American continents.

He was able to secretly inspire the nautical expeditions of the conquerors and fooled the people into ... telling them that there were streets of gold, paved with gold, that even they were pissing and ****ting into gold pots, to try to get people to want to go over there. Because, in fact, he realized that there was this great prophecy that America was going to be the new Atlantis, and it needed his help to fulfill the prophecy.

So America was always intended by Bacon and by the Masons to be the location where they would stage this massive effort to overthrow the world and make a New World Order, which was his ultimate goal.

Project Camelot | David Wilcock transcript, phone call 9 Sept 2008:
http://www.projectcamelot.org/david_...sept_2008.html

[GregorArturo]

go eagle go go! One for lovers, zero for the haters lol.

Originally Posted by ADAM KADMON

Greetings;

In my humble opinion, David Wilcock has been infected with "fame". I understand that you can't diagnose someone with a "fame" disease, but his choice of words on some of his latest interviews, such as referring to himself as "the talent" --

His attempted entry into Hollywood with making a movie, and his selective vanity someone compels me to look away with someone centralizing their message not on themselves.

I think A LOT of what he talks about is gathered from 3rd parties, and other sources, and is not direct knowledge. In fact, my introduction to David Wilcock was with the Project Camelot interview where he talks about how he ready hundreds of books on ESP and the likes at a young age. And as you all know, reading books and watching movies about bank robbers doesn't make you one.

Regardless, I mean to say nothing negative about David Wilcock or taint his reputation however; there is a "collective" feeling and attitude of skeptiscm surround Mr. Wilock and I believe that such feelings are justified for one reason or another.

Michael St. Claire doesn't need any more positive reinforcement, but for the sake of keeping things balanced I do endorse St. Claire to the fullest. His message and his work genuinely uplifts, and has acquired his fame by the virtue of his work. It was not his intention to acquire fame through his work unlike, "The Reincarnation of..."

Respectfully,
Adam K.

At the end of the day it's what we ourselves decide to do with the information we receive. I can agree with your statement somewhat although I shy away from outright endorsing any one person's truth.

Personally, David's work really geared things up for me upon finding it, there are times I outright disagree with his proposed notions or theories and times when it is exactly the opposite. Same goes for St. Clair or anyone else who has wittingly or unwittingly (and I don't know if the two are separable in this context...) assumed the mantle of 'Truth Bringing'.

Furthermore my opinions will vary according to the information I have at any given time and how I choose to interpret it, an open mind is key to the flexibility of understanding the myriad cauldron of viewpoints (fact based or inspired) that make up Avalon, the alternative community, the status quo 'norm' and subsequently our planet.

The Truth is FRACTAL no one entity that resides on this rock or anywhere in this reality has got the whole truth unveiled for them to behold, just a little nugget...

And Historycircus...c'mon man is a, as you put it, sixth grade textbook fact worthy of so much emotional expense?

[eaglespirit]

Thanks Gregor and Crewwhand and Others!

NOW...will you all that start crap like this just simply get on with your own ascension and your own truth!

There are far too many good people around the world changing everything...negative bs is going, going...gone!

YOU must live ethically...stop concerning yourself with anyone but YOU!

Onward and Upward!

The 4th and 5th densities ARE here, now...enjoy and live! : ) : ) : )

[rustanddust]

how embarrassing! lol thanks eagle...everyone just assumed he actually 'caught' something and didn't even go to check the transcript....

[Argante]

Why all this anger? Why all the negativity?

This is not a street corner, or a sporting event... Try to behave as if you are a "guest" in anothers home. Take personal responsibility for the tone and words of your post. Think with your heart, and learn to control your emotions.

David Wilcock is a much loved and respected Project Camelot Witness. I am greatly saddened by the topic and tone of this Thread. It is being monitored by the Avalon Ground Crew, and we will make a decision about how to proceed in due time.

Until then... please be aware of how your posts can affect and either inspire or degrade our online community.

[John aka#404]

In keeping with the spirit of Avalon and several requests to kill this thread it has been closed and will be moved momentarily.

We thank you for your understanding in this decision.

Thanks
Number 404
Project Avalon Moderator

[ADAM KADMON]

Originally Posted by BPhill

At the end of the day it's what we ourselves decide to do with the information we receive. I can agree with your statement somewhat although I shy away from outright endorsing any one person's truth.

Personally, David's work really geared things up for me upon finding it, there are times I outright disagree with his proposed notions or theories and times when it is exactly the opposite. Same goes for St. Clair or anyone else who has wittingly or unwittingly (and I don't know if the two are separable in this context...) assumed the mantle of 'Truth Bringing'.

Furthermore my opinions will vary according to the information I have at any given time and how I choose to interpret it, an open mind is key to the flexibility of understanding the myriad cauldron of viewpoints (fact based or inspired) that make up Avalon, the alternative community, the status quo 'norm' and subsequently our planet.

The Truth is FRACTAL no one entity that resides on this rock or anywhere in this reality has got the whole truth unveiled for them to behold, just a little nugget...

And Historycircus...c'mon man is a, as you put it, sixth grade textbook fact worthy of so much emotional expense?

"The Truth is FRACTAL" ~ perhaps this is worth considering beyond just in context of your post.

My experience has been that truth is different from knowledge is different that experience is different than perception is different that interpretation... and back around.

The Truth is FRACTAL indeed BPhil.

- - -

And to comment one last time upon the topic of this thread, I'd like to ask, "Did David Wilcock intend on lying or misleading us in someway?"

Perhaps the intention behind his actions should be examined as well as the actions themselves, not one for the other.

To answer my own question, in this case, I think not.

[371]

There's a BIG difference between LYING and a MISTAKE. We all get mixed up sometimes... off the cuff we should all hope to be so eloquent.

[Orion11]

Originally Posted by ADAM KADMON

Greetings;

In my humble opinion, David Wilcock has been infected with "fame". I understand that you can't diagnose someone with a "fame" disease, but his choice of words on some of his latest interviews, such as referring to himself as "the talent" --

His attempted entry into Hollywood with making a movie, and his selective vanity someone compels me to look away with someone centralizing their message not on themselves.

I think A LOT of what he talks about is gathered from 3rd parties, and other sources, and is not direct knowledge. In fact, my introduction to David Wilcock was with the Project Camelot interview where he talks about how he ready hundreds of books on ESP and the likes at a young age. And as you all know, reading books and watching movies about bank robbers doesn't make you one.

Regardless, I mean to say nothing negative about David Wilcock or taint his reputation however; there is a "collective" feeling and attitude of skeptiscm surround Mr. Wilock and I believe that such feelings are justified for one reason or another.

Michael St. Claire doesn't need any more positive reinforcement, but for the sake of keeping things balanced I do endorse St. Claire to the fullest. His message and his work genuinely uplifts, and has acquired his fame by the virtue of his work. It was not his intention to acquire fame through his work unlike, "The Reincarnation of..."

Respectfully,
Adam K.

Perfect. Thank you.

[MargueriteBee]

I am sound sensitive and when I listen to David what I hear is the clear voice of an intelligent young man who would not lie. A simple error, we all do that.

He is also a person who cares or he wouldn't go through all that he does. It isn't easy being David.

[Sherab]

Originally Posted by historycircus

Let me just say as well, thank you Bill and Kerry for giving Wilcock, and myself, a forum to discuss these incredibly important topics.

However, we need truth. People like Wilcock make me really mad. If he is so fundamentally wrong on such an important figure ("father of the modern illuminati), what else is he wrong about? He claims to be a researcher. He gets money to speak in public arenas. Who agrees that he should be called out on this?

I want the truth, and from the evidence I have reviewed (documentary, both paper and interviews), there is a government cover up. Just for starters, there was something at Roswell that the U.S. government doesn't want to come clean about. However, as citizen of the universe who hates on-one, recognizes my own circumstances as the product of my decisions, and desires nothing more than to just be an honest guy, I really can't stand liars. I can't stand those who would take advantage of those seekers who want nothing more than the truth.

Truth is what we all hunt for, especially here, and I think Wilcock - after that last Project Camelot interview - is just muddying the waters. That, I think, is the truth. What you all have to ask yourselves is this: Is it intentional, or just a "mistake." Consider the disinformation factor.

The HistoryCircus (Because history is full of clowns)

Anything that pisses you off that much is something that you haven't dealt with in yourself. Wilcock is just a mirror for something that you need to examine, so why don't you focus your energy there, intead of on hating DW?

[Shakesbeer]

Historycircus - To call Wilcock "liar" you had probably better have evidence that there was deliberate intent to mislead. If not, he made a mistake and you're just trying to show off or something...

He doesn't claim to have all the answers or 100% accuracy, just a respectable average.

I don't "hate" DW - I don't hate anyone. I'm just calling attention to inconsistancies in his spiel. I don't hate Richard White, but I'll disagree with him to the day I die (look up the book "Middle Ground" to even get that last statement).

Getting to the truth takes asking questions, why aren't you asking them?

[PodWORLD]

As said before.

The Francis Bacon that David is refrerring to is a figure reckoned by the sources he is using to have founded Rosicrucianism, written Shakesperian plays and lived as a socialite dandy as the Comte de Saint Germain in the eightennth century.

So when he talks Bacon and Columbus he's referring to this figure.
The veracity of such claims are for individuals to decide.

By the way the symbol of the pineal gland is the pine cone. This symbol is very ancient and the position of all the endochrinal glands were inportant to the techers of the mystery schools.
Again individuals decide for themselves what to make of this.

[danny]

i dont know if this stuff is intentional lying.if you read his books and listen to all the audio through the years theres such a huge mass of info it would be impossible for anyone to keep everything filed in your mind w/out getting your signals crossed from time to time. but when ur looking for info thats not in all the history books theres always disinfo and hearsay to weed through. bottom line hes trying to ell everyone to help eachother and love each other so overall hes ok by me

Moving to Project Camalot General Discussion

[PodWORLD]

I agree. David Wilcock does at least preach a positive message.

Bacon is seen in masonic texts as a true alchemist who lived over many centuries. This may be the reason for the error.

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by danny

i dont know if this stuff is intentional lying.if you read his books and listen to all the audio through the years theres such a huge mass of info it would be impossible for anyone to keep everything filed in your mind w/out getting your signals crossed from time to time. but when ur looking for info thats not in all the history books theres always disinfo and hearsay to weed through. bottom line hes trying to ell everyone to help eachother and love each other so overall hes ok by me

I agree, but for someone who has read 500 books in 3 years I tend to listen and weed out what I want, I think too many people put too much faith in John Lear, he's just a retired pilot who believes in most of whatever he reads, Benjamin's bordering on insanity, and Dan Burish also(i don't think i spelled his name right), but we can listen then decide.

[Operator]

Please keep in mind that sometimes we all request the experts to push their limits ourselves.

Sometimes I get the feeling that some forum members would like to see everything spelled out for them from past to future with every single event
exactly right on the date etc.

The most exciting part for me is that every time I hear more news I am adapting the sculpture that I imaginary create
which is a model of something my perception of truth is.

I would only use strong words like 'lies' in those cases where someone intentionally tries to deceive the audience.

We tend to credit people after proven knowledge and facts. Keep in mind that the credits only applies to the field of expertise.
It's in everybody's interest not to lure the experts outside that area ...

[larissarissa]

Wilcock has never pretended to be 100% accurate and is prone to mistakes as we all are, and to label this mistake as a lie is a bit harsh, don't you think? I am tempted to say a few things about you in this regard, but will restrain myself and just point out that when we say a depracatory thing about someone, we are really showing up who we are.