Weirdest thing that happened to me yet on the road…

[Orion11]

we are defensive, not offensive.

perfect.



great info man, thanks!

Regarding NV itself.


Don't waste your time on gen 1 This is forty year old technology. It isn't much better then the naked eye.

Gen 2 would be okay in an urban setting. Plan on a very good illuminator.

For canopy covered rural environment you will need gen 3 or above. Under canopy on an overcast night you will
still need an illuminator for gen 3.

Within generations there are grades of tubes and the cost
varies with the quality. Basically there is grade A and everything else. Grade A is military spec. Grade B didn't make the cut but is still acceptable. If you are doing S&R
for a lost child in the forest you will want Generation 3 with a grade A tube. ($$$$) or gen 4 if you can find it and
afford it. Price ranges 200 & less gen 1. You get what you pay for. 300-1500 gen 2 variations in quality of the tube. 900-5000 gen 3 again with variations in quality of the tube. 4000 and up gen 4.

If you are considering NV (for christmas ) I recommend a monocular rather than a binocular. Besides looking like the serial killer in silence of the lambs you will be blind when you take the NV off. One
defense against NV is a flash bang or a simple camera flash to blind you and the NV. If you only have one eye in the tube at least you will still have one night adjusted eye to stumble about with!

The queen of civilian monoculars is the mini14
http://www.securityprousa.com/mi14mo3rdgen1.html

also known as the AN/PVS 14 A used by the American military.

I should add that this hardware is classified as a munition and is not available for export. If you reside
outside the U.S. there is hardware available but you will need to exercise your own due diligence
to see what is equivalent to what.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Orion11

perfect.



great info man, thanks!

Indeed, that was just what info I needed regarding that other IR Video Thread.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...6708#post96708

Thank you so much.

[Zeddo]

Originally Posted by Czymra

None of this happened to me.... but let me ask you guys a question:

There are rather few people here (supposedly) that wear arms.... alright I can fight with a stick but that ain't getting me far against firearms. There must be more 'subtle' way of 'defence', like not getting yourself in trouble?

I may sound silly but I seem to be 'well protected' as I've just never encountered these situations or just left before they arose.

Any thoughts?

For what it is worth this is my take. You attract to you what you create. If you wear arms, be prepared to use them because you will CERTAINLY attract the situation where this is necessary. We create our own reality and these types of incident are a result of your reality created by you.
I am probably wrong, but that's my thought on it anyway.

Seeing as how this is my first post here let me add a little to this response, even though it may not address the primary subject at hand.

I have been reading a lot of the posts and it was 50-50 as to whether I joined this site or not. I tend to follow "the voices within" so went for it even though I had a few feelings of "Why would someone post such nonsense here, I thought this was supposed to be the ground crew?" When I read about guns etc I really begin to wonder. I was held up and robbed by 2 cowards with guns, physically dragged from my vehicle, had the one put his gun to my head and pull the trigger. The gun misfired. The would be murderer took off and 2 K's down the road ran into a police road block. They leapt out the car and disappeared into the sugar cane plantation leaving their weapons on the seat. The local farmer had been in touch with the police by radio and knew of the hi-jacking and attempted shooting. Upon inspection of the weapons they dicovered that one had been fired (firing pin indentation on the round) but the wrong ammunition had been used.
Lets recap. I said you make your own reality, wear a gun expect trouble. Why would that happen to someone who refuses to wear a weapon? My own reality, but my own reality left me shaken and not killed.
What is the point I am trying to get to here. Just this. I was harping on about the "ground crew". I don't think too much of a group who still see violent means as an answer, even under the given circumstances. We need to move forward and beyond "self-preservation" and start to think in a more global sense (make that cosmic rather than global). This is not a case of "How can I save my and my families rear-end. This is at a stage now where we have to start bringing global/cosmic help to bear. Let me say it this way. It isn't "What can I do to save me?" but more of "How can I possibly be of help to all of those out there, even them that sleep?" ONLY then will be begin to recreate this mess we call reality into something which will lift us to the next level. We are after all, each and every one of us, a part of the single. We all affect each other and the sooner we get our heads out of our backsides and stop "Playing ground crew games", the sooner we will impact this density and make a difference such that (hopefully) we all move up to the next density.

I better sign off. Nice meeting you folks. Let's be real and let's get rid of our egos as I see a lot of ego in project camelot. As long as ego rules, we are doomed.

Peace, light and love to all of you.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Zeddo

For what it is worth this is my take. You attract to you what you create. If you wear arms, be prepared to use them because you will CERTAINLY attract the situation where this is necessary. We create our own reality and these types of incident are a result of your reality created by you.
I am probably wrong, but that's my thought on it anyway.

That's exactly my thinking. Nevertheless, I respect the second amendment. It's been there for a reason and may just about stop some of the **** going down.

[Swanny]

Watch out, not a good idea to pull a gun on anyone, there's always someone out there with a bigger gun that will not only pull it but also use it.