Jordan Maxwell - Water of Grace, Water of Life (brand new documentary...

[micjer]

It appears that Jordan may have some discrepancies in his research. However I do believe that he has some very good data and pictures.

He is a regular guest on Coast2Coast with George Noory. They seem to look into people's research and credability. I feel that they would not have him on if he were not on the up and up.

I for one am not going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/article...religion3.html

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by Doom

As for maxwell's standard of living, he didn't exactly live a hard life, he travelled the world, seen alot, hung with a lot of big boys, but screwed himself over by scamming ppl(he commited fraud), his is a legit criminal.

Maxwell made an official statement on his site: The scammer was the guy that offered him a place to live in his appartment during a rough period of his life, broken.

Originally Posted by Doom

As Albert Pike said, "Oh, foolish man, what can you not be made to believe?"
Believing we are created by ET gods is EXACTLY what the new world order want us to believe. We are already defeated if thats what we think. Look into the new age agenda, this is EXACTLY what they want.

I would not trust the word of a guy like Albert Pike: there is more than a chance that what he says has mutiple meanings....

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Here it's important to NOT mix oranges and apples:

- The New-Age agenda is runned by the PTBs, it wants you to believe All ETs are your 'Space Brothers',
lower our guards without Discernement, program us in accepting the ET presence, i mean 'bad' ETs that could very well pull the strings behind the PTBs, and bringing us to comply to their agenda of power over humanity.

The PTBs goal is:

- They want you to feel overwhelmed and powerless.

- Ultimately they want you to rely on every 'external' artifice possible.

Anyways, whatever is behind the scenes, the message is: watch your step.....with Discernement

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To me, Icke,Tsarion, Maxwell (i am excluding Sitchin) are honestly ringing the bell and bringing solutions.
Icke's message could sound a bit negative (that's a double edge sword that serves PTBs purpose) but anyways show us how to free ourselves.

Michael Tsarion once said something like this: ' Why am i quoting *** **** that worked for the PTBs, secret societies along with Genuine ones ?

---Because each all of these individuals brought pieces of truth, be it corrupted in part or not.'---

We all have to do the sorting.

salute.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by BeaTnik-BandiT

Maxwell made an official statement on his site: The scammer was the guy that offered him a place to live in his appartment during a rough period of his life, broken.




I would not trust the word of a guy like Albert Pike: there is more than a chance that what he says has mutiple meanings....

----------------------------------------------------
Here it's important to NOT mix oranges and apples:

- The New-Age agenda is runned by the PTBs, it wants you to believe All ETs are your 'Space Brothers',
lower our guards without Discernement, program us in accepting the ET presence, i mean 'bad' ETs that could very well pull the strings behind the PTBs, and bringing us to comply to their agenda of power over humanity.

The PTBs goal is:

- They want you to feel overwhelmed and powerless.

- Ultimately they want you to rely on every 'external' artifice possible.

Anyways, whatever is behind the scenes, the message is: watch your step.....with Discernement

----------------------------------------------------------------------

To me, Icke,Tsarion, Maxwell (i am excluding Sitchin) are honestly ringing the bell and bringing solutions.
Icke's message could sound a bit negative (that's a double edge sword that serves PTBs purpose) but anyways show us how to free ourselves.

Michael Tsarion once said something like this: ' Why am i quoting *** **** that worked for the PTBs, secret societies along with Genuine ones ?

---Because each all of these individuals brought pieces of truth, be it corrupted in part or not.'---

We all have to do the sorting.

salute.

The PTB want you to believe aliens are here period. they push the 'bad' et angle and the 'good' et stuff. It's all bull. I know what you're saying but I honestly find it hard to believe you still actually think tsarion/etc have solutions that ring a bell. They are complete new age propogandists. How can you understand the new age and not see that? I know because I once was a new-ager heavily into ICke and Tsarion many years ago. And looking back I was completley brainwashed believing some of the new age stuff, about changing the world by just thinking postive thoughts and avoiding negative and all sorts of bull like that. Eventually they all lead you down the same road, depending how deep you take it it has the same roots, it's all the same new age religion that the PTB set up and want you to believe in.

[Watchmen111]

The truth must be falsehood unless it be the whole truth: and the whole truth is partly inaccessible, partly unintelligible ,partly incredible and partly unpublishable- that is in any country where truth in itself is recognized as a dangerous explosive."
by Crowley

[Doom]

Originally Posted by Watchmen111

The truth must be falsehood unless it be the whole truth: and the whole truth is partly inaccessible, partly unintelligible ,partly incredible and partly unpublishable- that is in any country where truth in itself is recognized as a dangerous explosive."
by Crowley

One of the fathers of the new age movement, and a commited member of MI5, Crowley is a scary one indeed.

[Watchmen111]

yap new that about Crowley Nothing new everything is old its part of endless circle .

[Jack]

Originally Posted by Tag

He believes that the ones behind NWO and secret societies are the aliens.
What a joke.

As astounding as this might seem it may not be very far from the truth.

I have heard from countless sources, some of which i deem highly credible that the "powers that be" or the real manipulators behind the veil are being directed by entities which are not terrestrial in origin. What i am refering to are extradimensional entities, some from as high as the fifth and sixth dimensions. It would not be a mistake to call these extraterrestrial as the very definition means originating, located, or occurring outside Earth or its atmosphere.

Consider what we know about other dimensions, extraterrestrial entities, group consciousness etc and multiply that by one thousand and you will come closer to understanding the knowledge that these guys have. And they will use that knowledge whatever way they feel will increase the power they posess over the human race even if that includes making contact with nefarious entities who are polarised towords service to self in a bid to form an alliance from which the two parties avail.


It is much more plausible to assume that our government is being manipulated/aided by extraterestrial entities rather then the notion that men are capable of such feats of intelectual prowess when left to their own devices.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by Jack

As astounding as this might seem it may not be very far from the truth.

I have heard from countless sources, some of which i deem highly credible that the "powers that be" or the real manipulators behind the veil are being directed by entities which are not terrestrial in origin. What i am refering to are extradimensional entities, some from as high as the fifth and sixth dimensions. It would not be a mistake to call these extraterrestrial as the very definition means originating, located, or occurring outside Earth or its atmosphere.

Consider what we know about other dimensions, extraterrestrial entities, group consciousness etc and multiply that by one thousand and you will come closer to understanding the knowledge that these guys have. And they will use that knowledge whatever way they feel will increase the power they posess over the human race even if that includes making contact with nefarious entities who are polarised towords service to self in a bid to form an alliance from which the two parties avail.


It is much more plausible to assume that our government is being manipulated/aided by extraterestrial entities rather then the notion that men are capable of such feats of intelectual prowess when left to their own devices.

No it is not more plausable at all. That is ridiculous. And such a con. It is more typical new age rhetoric, probabilty think, etc. I have gone through in this thread already how all the evidence supporting these types conclusions is counter-intelligence. Specifically check out where I mention possibilty think and look more into it. Also be careful because these types of sources you speak of put out some truth about dimensions, consciousness etc. but then spin it to fit the new age agenda. Hell, just look into the new age movement period.

In fact right there in your last paragraph you admit we are defeated by saying they are capable of feats that men are not capable of, that means we're doomed because you're already admitting to being inferior. Once you come to these conclusions, you may not even relize it, but a psychological warfare program has already defeated you, no matter how you spin it and rationalize it to yourself.

Jack, can I ask you to please read this thread back through? Just because we've been talking about this for the whole thread already really. I have talked about how the PTB set up these conspiracies that want us to believe that the gov't is being manipulated by aliens, cause then we are battling imaginary creatures isntead of the real men behind the curtians, normal men flesh and blood like you and me. They circumvent any real revolution before they start up, by being good shepards, supplying our leaders, and showing us some truth first before anyone else, but then spin it off into fantasy and mix it with all kinds of lies so it renders us useless. The evidence is overwhelming that the new world order has been controlled by men throughout all ages and it often comes from the highest powers that be themselves who tell us (read Carroll Quigley's books for starters, he's the official historian for the CFR). There is no need for fantastic science fiction to prove and explain anything about this situation that we're in.

BTW, I don't mean to come off offensive sounding and if I do I apologize, but I have to be straight out with this information, there is no beating around the bush about it, I was once a victim of being spun off into outterspace myself, but I did so much research and traced the origins of all this information, and was shocked to see that even though I thought I had woken up that I was in fact just being conned again. I even had a hard time letting go of some of those new age beliefs almost because as humans we are drawn to fantasy and want to believe it. The new age has so many cons that give us warm and fuzzy solutions like ignoring the negative and everything will be ok, or how we are going to ascend into higher consciousness etc. all this stuff that make us feel good but actually just disables our true survival instinct which is the only thing that can stop the new world order.

Exposing counter intelligence, and cutting through the false realities that have been given to us or "cutting through the matrix", is one of the most important things we need to do if we ever expect to really wake up and get to the bottom of things.

[Magamud]

Is there an Alien complaint department I could go to?

[Doom]

Originally Posted by Magamud

Is there an Alien complaint department I could go to?

Yea, but I think you need to take some DMT or Ayahuasca to get there. , that or join a yoga club or something and learn to channel,

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by Doom

Yea, but I think you need to take some DMT or Ayahuasca to get there. , that or join a yoga club or something and learn to channel,

Stewart Swerdlow says a HIGH (See very HIGH) percentage of channelings info comes from:

-- satellite transmission technology. --

With means like this, it's easy to program UNAWARE and naive people into believing almost anything...!
Just look at the Blossom Goodchild October 14th non-event:

It was such a popular happening and, even if it 'failed', it got more and more people aware of the 'ET' 'presence'.

For what reason ???

That is where again we get multiple and divergent opinions.....

Swerdlow also says that as well, a high percentage of crop circles
are generated by the Brookhaven National Laboratory in Long Island NY (!!!),
to imprint the Earth magnetic grid with 'specific patterns', as one of their purposes.

So, if true, we see that 'negative human factions'
are already at work using highly advanced technology, to say the least.

Where comes from that technology ???

That is where we again get multiple and divergent opinions.....

salute.

[Reunite]

Doom where do I start with you.

First I do feel sorry for you.

You obviously have never had an obe before. I guess I'm a liar and the half a dozen people who are close to me too. Once you feel your astral body lift out of your physical body you start to fathom there is more than the 3D reality and its not unusual to encounter entities who are not of this world.

I have someone who is very very close to me who has been abducted by an ET before, who has never told anyone before, has got absolutely nothing to gain out of it but only embarassment. They have never touched drugs before and have an extremely sharp memory to recall details whilst in a waking conscious state.

Oh and DMT isn't a drug..it's a medicine. Also something your pineal gland produces everytime you go to sleep. Try having a lucid dream then go from there.


Icke and Tsarion have never followed the new age movement in fact they have warned of it as a religious belief.

Try not to dismiss EVERYTHING as new age cause you are only fooling yourself from being in denial.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by Reunite

Doom where do I start with you.

First I do feel sorry for you.

You obviously have never had an obe before. I guess I'm a liar and the half a dozen people who are close to me too. Once you feel your astral body lift out of your physical body you start to fathom there is more than the 3D reality and its not unusual to encounter entities who are not of this world.

I have someone who is very very close to me who has been abducted by an ET before, who has never told anyone before, has got absolutely nothing to gain out of it but only embarassment. They have never touched drugs before and have an extremely sharp memory to recall details whilst in a waking conscious state.

Oh and DMT isn't a drug..it's a medicine. Also something your pineal gland produces everytime you go to sleep. Try having a lucid dream then go from there.


Icke and Tsarion have never followed the new age movement in fact they have warned of it as a religious belief.

Try not to dismiss EVERYTHING as new age cause you are only fooling yourself from being in denial.

if it look slike a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Tsarion and Icke ARE new age.

And if you're allowed to feel sorry for me then I'm allowed to feel sorry for you, for being a new ager in la-la land and completely out to lunch about reality. Actually i take that back, because I don't want to begin slinging insults. There is a lot of confusion out there and we can't get upset with each other for having opposing opinions, we have to understand given the state of affairs that people are going to be confused and it is not ALL their fault.

But I think you can try to rationalize OBE's and or drugs all you want, but imo they do nothing to show you anything about reality, they disconnected you from reality - these experiences are not real. And I've been over ET abduction and how it is a scam, whether the victim beleives it to be true that it happened to them or not, that is still not proof in itself, as there are lots of other elements at play...

[Jack]

Originally Posted by Doom

No it is not more plausable at all. That is ridiculous. And such a con. It is more typical new age rhetoric, probabilty think, etc. I have gone through in this thread already how all the evidence supporting these types conclusions is counter-intelligence. Specifically check out where I mention possibilty think and look more into it. Also be careful because these types of sources you speak of put out some truth about dimensions, consciousness etc. but then spin it to fit the new age agenda. Hell, just look into the new age movement period.

To dismiss the entire realm of spirituality as a "new age movement" is a form of disinformation in itself, and lays in the ranks of Religion and any other generalisation a person wishes to put onto an amazingly expansive and dynamic group of subjects. Although i have no doubt that there is much disinformation out there, im also very aware that there is plenty out there that is genuine. The trick here is to be able to determine what is fact and what is fiction. Everyone has their own ways of determining truth, I have numerous ways of doing this myself. But i know one thing for sure and that is ; once you turn your back on spirit you will never, no matter how hard you seek, find the real truth. The only reliable thing we have in this incarnation that guides us in the right direction is spirit. And my spiritual guidance has never once led me astray, and it is the only form of inteligence that i trust 100% with all of my heart.

I like Alans work, and find him highly interesting as well as extremely informative, but i do not think any one man has all the answers.

Sorry I had to keep this short, ive work in about 20 minutes. I'll come back later to expand upon my views and give a better understanding as to why i dont think that Alan Watt is right about everything. He is genuine, and his heart is in the right place. But it would be implausible to assume that he has all of the answers, and each one of them is correct.

[Doom]

Originally Posted by Jack

To dismiss the entire realm of spirituality as a "new age movement" is a form of disinformation in itself, and lays in the ranks of Religion and any other generalisation a person wishes to put onto an amazingly expansive and dynamic group of subjects. Although i have no doubt that there is much disinformation out there, im also very aware that there is plenty out there that is genuine. The trick here is to be able to determine what is fact and what is fiction. Everyone has their own ways of determining truth, I have numerous ways of doing this myself. But i know one thing for sure and that is ; once you turn your back on spirit you will never, no matter how hard you seek, find the real truth. The only reliable thing we have in this incarnation that guides us in the right direction is spirit. And my spiritual guidance has never once led me astray, and it is the only form of inteligence that i trust 100% with all of my heart.

I like Alans work, and find him highly interesting as well as extremely informative, but i do not think any one man has all the answers.

Sorry I had to keep this short, ive work in about 20 minutes. I'll come back later to expand upon my views and give a better understanding as to why i dont think that Alan Watt is right about everything. He is genuine, and his heart is in the right place. But it would be implausible to assume that he has all of the answers, and each one of them is correct.

I'm not just dismissing anything as new age, i've extensively researched it to the point it becames obvious. So it is not dismissed, it is careful studied and shown to be so. And BTW, of course Alan doesn't have all the answers, and isn't right about everything, but I'm not basing anything on his opinions. I'm basing it on my own research from every side of the story I can get. You don't need to take anyone's word for anything. But information speaks for itself when you study the new age movement, counter-intelligence, etc.

And indeed it's all about determining what is fact and fiction. That is what I'm trying to help people do here, cause most new agers don't even know the trap they've been sucked into and think they've been woken up when they've actually just been misdirected into la-la land, fiction is quite captivating. New Age spirituality can be very alluring as it offers so many false solutions that make you feel good. And like in this thread already, I said I haven't turned my back on spirit at all, I believe in human spirit, but there is a fine line between spirituality and the new age.

[Magamud]

Good discussion.

I think reality is so harsh that unconscously people create a denial/schizm in their perception. Hence the creation of religion. The PTB's help develop and direct religion so that the peasants could in their mind have a place to go for hope and the eilte could live more comfortably knowing the peasants wont riot. The peruvial "I will be in a better place then here", my good deeds will be rewarded in heaven. The PTB placed this type of mind trap for us back then and they are doing the same with us now with "New Age" information. There is no difference. Basic psychological warfare mix eternal truths with lies. Lies that in the end steer you away from the obvious that you and me are being killed/murdered at this very moment. Bait and switch.

Just imagine/think if we did not have this place to escape too (New age concepts, esoteric/exoteric). As a revolutionairy movement we would be more unified and more focused on the a s s holes (which are men and women) who are commiting this genocide to us. For me this is the essence of what im trying to do by pushing forth this type of logic which Alan Watt is trying to formulate.

Its not that I dont believe in spirit or UFO's, its trying to get our focus into the here and now. The reality of the present! Where the tire meets the road. Meeting the spear of evil with the shield, yes.

People projecting that I am denying spirit/soul just exhibit the level of addiction they have to these esoteric/exoteric beliefs. These ideas are working against us people! Dont you see by these posts how this helps the PTB to stay in control?

Hey if we stop these psychopaths and can live in peace like hobbits ill chum with ya about metaphysics until we open a stargate, but until then realize that you are in a war in the front lines each one of you. When you draw your perception to new age beliefs you are losing a part of your energy to the battle, you are propagating the PTB's agenda, you are creating more divergence in reality and you are seeding the future.

[GoingToFast]

Originally Posted by Doom

uh no, not at all . you need to do some serious research into ancient history my friend . Make sure to look into not only the exoteric but the esoteric meanings. of course religions are mythologies but it goes a lot deeper than any of maxwell or zeitgiest or these types of characters will tell you, as they are cons themselves. Oppositions are set up and lead you see. They know some people will find the truth so they try to be the first to put it out, but then spin it in such a way that it supports their agenda. Give out some truths but then lead it in the wrong direction.

The 'aliens are gods' disinfo... I've made many posts about this in other threads, you should go back and check them out. It's a simple counter-intelligence technique. Make people beleive the fantastic. Attatch truth to it, and spin it into outer-space to discredit it. You can never bring your compliants to aliens. Instead of looking at the real causes of things people are have literally gone mad believing aliens rule the world and all sorts of outrageous lies to disable the victims minds. It even goes back to ancient history, it's nothing new, scaring people into thinking demons were in some sort of control, etc.

That doesn't mean there's no such thing as alien life forms, but all of this conspiracy garbage to do with aliens is ALL a major psyops.

I'm so sorry for you Doom and all the other religious dogmatist's, your religious-reality is going to crumble and that is in a near future . All most all of the religious teaching's are falsified and corrupted and the only reason for that is to incarcerate and control humanity. If you want to come close to the real history of mankind you should read the history and teaching's of ancient Egypt , ancient Babylon and ancient India, the Torah the old Testament and Mahābhārata and other Hindu text's is also recommended there is a connection in all of this (ET's), the rest of the religious dogmas are only designed to control and deceive humanity.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Doom

Alan Watt comments about Jordan Maxwell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEHFTEHKuoo

Does anyone have any more information or links regarding Alan Watt's view of the work of Jordan Maxwell?

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Doom

Alan Watt comments about Jordan Maxwell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEHFTEHKuoo

This video states that Jordan Maxwell said favorable things about freemasonry in 2000. Does anyone know whether this is true?

[conec]

We all have our own truth and there is no point in forcing eachother to believe our side of the coin.
In Carlos Castenedas books - Don Juan etc.... (dont care if ppl believe these books to be true or not btw)
I always remember a way of thinking that Don Juan passed onto Carlos - It was something along the lines of........

the way of the warrior is to never dismiss and never totally accept.

I think this is why I liked project camelot when I found them because I saw the same way of thinking.
Thanks

[Carmen]

I agree conec, The way of the warrior, to never dismiss and never totally accept. If something is truth it will end up being confirmed along the way. To get beyond the duality of putting information into boxes of good/bad, right/wrong. Personal truth should be a growing thing, an open-ended recievership.

Cheers

Carmen

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm thinking we are all partly right...and all partly wrong. We just have to keep trying to get it right. Even charlatans may have something to teach us. Latching on to any guru is probably a big mistake. There is always some problem with them or their story. Just use what makes sense and works...and throw out the rest. Keep searching...and never give up.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

I'm thinking we are all partly right...and all partly wrong. We just have to keep trying to get it right. Even charlatans may have something to teach us. Latching on to any guru is probably a big mistake. There is always some problem with them or their story. Just use what makes sense and works...and throw out the rest. Keep searching...and never give up.

I agree but I was surprised by what I heard on this video:

Originally Posted by Doom

Alan Watt comments about Jordan Maxwell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEHFTEHKuoo

I need to investigate this further.

Does anyone have information about Alan Watt's take on Jordan Maxwell's work?