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09-18-2008, 08:05 AM
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Re: Poor Gary Mckinnon
Just a couple of points...
1) He confessed... he should have plead 'not guilty' then they would have had to bring proof... bad move on his part 2) WHY did Britain give in so easy on this case? THAT needs to be looked at... have they done this before? If not why this time? 3) Gary's computer skills... "He should be thanked and given a job..." For what? because he randomly looked for open password computers? I am willing to bet that at least half of you out there right now do not have a password on your computer... I bet even more do not have a password on your wireless internet or network... (6 of my neighbors don't... anyone can use their connection within a several block radius... ever wonder why your connection is SLOW?  Why pay for WIFI when your on the road when you can just 'hop on' )I will also bet that many of you out there if you have a home security system are still using the installer default of 1234 or 12369 for ADT systems (Yup better go change it RIGHT NOW ) Why? because people are LAZY and creatures of habit... All Gary did was use this weakness and found someone who was stupid to leave their terminal online when they were not at the desk and had no password. On top of that he did not d/l stuff... he viewed it online knowing full well that anyone walking by the terminal could see what he was doing. This is not skill... this should not be rewarded. 75 years? Heck we don't even give murderers that much... SO WE ARE MISSING SOMETHING HERE 4) I see a lot of talk about accessing secret government computers... Look... the internet WE use was designed by DARPA and then given to the public because they had something BETTER... there is NO WAY to access the Secret stuff from the regular internet... ONLY if some idiot took some work 'home' with him and stored it on a PC at work would you find anything... and you can bet THAT person is in Gitmo  And that would be an internal matter... you would NEVER see it on the news...The OTHER nets are... NIPRNET... for below top secret but sensitive and confidential traffic SIPRNET... for secret If you are brave enough and want to look at the front door go here.. NIC dot MIL Its okay they won't bite, but they will know you knocked... I did not post a direct link as a lot of dot mil sites play havoc with threads... merely opening the thread on a link will cause a 'ping' . You will see what is required to get in... This is the ONLY portal to SIPRNET on the internet and requires a DoD password AND calling from a dot mil computer... Go look... but don't be stupid The top secret stuff is handled by JWICS Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System (JWICS) The Joint Worldwide Intelligence Communications System (JWICS pronounced jaywicks) is a system of interconnected computer networks used by the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of State to transmit classified information (up to and including information classified TOP SECRET and SCI) by packet switching over the TCP/IP protocols in a secure environment. It also provides services such as hypertext documents and electronic mail. In other words, the JWICS is the DoD’s classified version of the civilian Internet together with its counterpart, the SIPRNet. The US Marines Portal is Here... front page is accessible http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/sit.../JWICS.html#sd Bear in mind that most likely none of these links will work from OUTSIDE the USA There is one higher... usually only referred to as "the Global"... No I won't give out any more on that one... some dogs are best left sleeping  5) I hear a lot of UFO talk... what Gary found was a list of non terrestrial officers and an 'alleged' photo of one of our 'other' spaceships nothing to do with UFO's but to do with a project that is so secret it's hard to even find clues... Every one of us researchers would love to get our hands on such evidence... and we seek for it every day in documents at .mil sites... all publicly accessable to be sure... and not trying to sneak in any back doors ( errmmm ya...) If 'they' ever wanted to 'get' one of us they could simply leave a sensitive document lying around for us to 'find'... track the IP and kick in your door because they KNOW you now have a restricted file on your computer... So that means there is a LOT more to this than we currently know... One other caveat.... all skeptics scream for proof of this secret space program... yet if it IS secret... merely possessing a document that proves it is a treasonable offense... something to think about And you can scream all you want about the EVIL governments but until you are ready to grab arms and oppose them... it is a truth that they have all the cool toys like stealth planes and smart bombs that a kid with a joystick in Area 51 can fly right into your bedroom window... Conclusion... THERE IS MORE TO THIS THAN WE KNOW Last edited by zorgon; 09-18-2008 at 08:11 AM. |
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09-18-2008, 08:25 AM
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Re: Poor Gary Mckinnon
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09-18-2008, 08:51 AM
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Re: More than meets the eye...Gary Mckinnon
A good article...
Yes, good post zorgon. And for the record, if we/they start closing threads I'm also outta here. Kerry *** McKinnon a 'scapegoat for Pentagon insecurity' US military still wide open to attack, says reformed hacker By John Leyden -- September 2008 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09...view_analysis/ -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ As accused Pentagon hacker Gary McKinnon hopes against hope to avoid being extradited to the US, another reformed military systems meddler considers his own case - and how different the outcome was. McKinnon is probably days away from extradition. Only a last minute plea to the Home Secretary "Wacky" Jacqui Smith - based on McKinnon's recent diagnosis with Asperger Syndrome - now stands between the Scot and a US trial for hacking into US government and military systems. Friends and family staged a demonstration outside the Home Office on Tuesday in a bid to draw attention to McKinnon's plight. The handling of McKinnon's case is in marked contrast to how US authorities handled a similar one ten years ago. Like McKinnon, reformed computer hacker Mathew Bevan was charged with breaking into US military computer systems. Bevan was also curious about searching for evidence that the US military had harvested technology from crashed UFOs. Bevan's alleged crimes were cited as examples of cyberterrorism at Senate hearings in 1996. But no attempt was ever made to extradite Bevan to the US. Instead he was prosecuted in the UK. The case eventually fell apart after 18 months, when prosecutors decided not to proceed. Bevan put the legal fight behind him and has since gone on to become an ethical hacker and security consultant. Speaking exclusively to El Reg, Bevan said McKinnon is being used in a political game that has more to do with securing funds than deterring or preventing attacks. "Clearly, lessons have not been learned since I breached similar systems and as I have always suggested - perhaps stopping the intrusions is not the goal of the administration," Bevan said. "Tacitly allowing access to machines by ensuring that default passwords or in fact access methods without passwords is suggestive of a system that really does not care too much about many of the machines connected to it." Bevan questions why Windows PCs on US military networks are connected to the internet via direct IPs. Thousands of attackers regularly use the same remote access port accessed during McKinnon's hack, but little or no action has been taken in their cases, Bevan adds. McKinnon has said that many other hackers had gained access to the same systems he was accessing, questioning why US authorities singled him out for prosecution. The fact that McKinnon did nothing to disguise his tracks and lived in a country with a friendly extradition regime probably has a fair bit to do with this. Bevan supports McKinnon's contention that he was far from alone in rooting around US military systems. "You ask any military hacker about the machines they broke in to and they will tell you they were not the only people on those systems. Of course, they weren't the only people, as there were great numbers of people whiling away their time hacking computers." Pork barrel ploy McKinnon, according to Bevan, was far more than simply unlucky. "Why is it that only a tiny number of those people ever face prosecution? It is clearly not because the others cannot be found. You cannot believe that out of so many people, Gary just happened to be caught." McKinnon is being used as a scapegoat in a bid to secure extra funding to protect US military networks, according to Bevan, who reckons a commercial organisation would never get away with such trickery. "I think it's all about timing and whether or not the hacker will make a good scapegoat whilst allowing the administration to request further money. The fear machine can keep churning out propaganda as per normal, but don't expect those machines to actually get better security. They are not businesses, have no shareholders and therefore do not have to answer to the same stringent rules and tests that the computer systems of corporations would." Bevan compared hacking attacks to an infestation by pests. Both stem from a failure to follow basic housekeeping rules, he argued. "My cynical side believes that those 'pesky hackers' are treated just like any bug infestation, the odd one or two or even a handful is not much of an issue until the place becomes overrun. It is then that you can call in the exterminators and make a big fuss about the problem, of course it never addresses that the usual problem with an infestation is someone has not been keeping their place tidy. You leave scraps around for rats to find and in a short time you will have many, many more rats sniffing around for the goodies." With such lax security, the US authorities are lucky that McKinnon only had peaceful intentions in mind, Bevan noted. "Gary is a self-confessed stoner and perpetrated the 'biggest military hack of all time' whilst completely wasted. This is clearly a sign of how lax the security of these systems was. If Gary had been clear minded and deliberate about what he wanted to achieve and was a malicious person rather than the pacifist he is - where exactly would we be now?" -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/09...view_analysis/
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09-18-2008, 09:04 AM
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Re: Poor Gary Mckinnon
Ok guys, the poll is now closed, results below:
Close the thread, we agree to disagree, time to move on
Leave the thread open, more discussion is needed
SO, I'm very pleased to say, that by an overwhelming majority the thread stays OPEN! Thanks to everyone that took the time to vote  Now let's have lot's more well argued post's like zorgon's above! [EDIT - Thread is now stickied so it stays in plain view] Last edited by Colin; 09-18-2008 at 09:14 AM. |
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09-18-2008, 01:58 PM
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Re: Poor Gary Mckinnon
Dear Zorgon and all
You have raised many important questions and flagged up even more interesting information... Thanks for taking the time to educate us all... I would like to relate to what you wrote and would be glad to hear your views. (All of you) Here we go Quote:
That is why and how he came to fess up to his actions. STUPID? YES! He would be the first to admit that now! I am being told, that this kind of behaviour of rescuing others to one's own detriment and overly trusting... is typical to those with Asbergers Syndrome... Quote:
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In order to explore this question we would do well to put this case in the context of it's TIMING. Although Gary maintains he has been exploring those networks for over 2 years before being detected, he was arrested shortly after 911. Regardless of what views one takes on who were the perpetrators of this event, we can not dispute it's role as a fundamental linchpin in the transformation of our reality beyond recognition from that point on. Far more interesting question here is WHY THE USA ADMINISTRATION WANTS HIM SO BADLY? What and who’s agenda this case would further and help cement into reality? From there on we can ask, Is the British Government a fully consenting party to this agenda? Or was the British Government, or individuals members of it compromised, blackmailed, or coerced to implement changes to the UK law system, which will help facilitate that agenda later on? It is my observation that the legislation process is often pre-empting the agenda it aims to serve by at least 10 years. Often a test case is brought forward, shortly after the new laws or bills are passed to make sure there are no unforeseen loop holes. If undesirable loop holes are found, amendments are introduced, way before those laws are really needed to be used for some agenda or another... I believe Gary's case was viewed as such a test case to begin with. There are many views regarding the ‘WHY THE USA ADMINISTRATION WANTS HIM SO BADLY’ question. Many in the UFO community maintain it is to do with where he has been and what he has seen. That might be the case or maybe part of it. However Gary, initially was not talking at all about what he has seen. He only started talking about it in public interviews, when he could see no hope... I think LIMITING THE FREEDOM ON AND OF THE INTERENT was one of the agendas this case was aimed to serve. In hindsight this has been achieved already, without Gary’s case even going to trial!!!! It is also my observation that the minions of those who own this world often TELL US IN ADVANCE AND OPENLY WHAT THE PLAN IS! No wonder they think we are all stupid sheeple, ‘they tell us exactly what they are doing right to our face and we still don’t get it!’ I recall watching the news on the evening of that monumental day Sep 11, G Bush senior was televised giving a speech to some business conference. Out of all the things he could have said on this day and out of all the things he did say, this is what was televised (in the UK) He said - This event will change the way you use the internet for ever, it is too free and needs to be limited. Needless to say the freedom we enjoyed using the internet pre 911 is but a faded memory now! And not just that freedom... In the UK, pretty much anyone working in local council, can look into any aspect of an individual’s means of communication, without a court order! This includes emails, web browsing, telephone conversations - on line, mobile, or land lines, and snail mail too. Under the guise of terror legislation and despite huge public opposition, this is now a reality. If you look at how this has been used so far? You will find it was also used against a normal family, registering their kids to a desirable local school.Their emails were accessed by their local council on suspicion that they have lied on a school application form and to check if they indeed lived within the catchment's area of this school. I also think that limiting the freedom we used to have using the internet, is but a small part of a bigger agenda, which goes something like this: THERE IS NO WHERE TO HIDE! OUR EVERY MOVE COULD BE RESTRICTED AND IS MONITORED AND, WE ARE WILLINGLY TO PAY FOR THE PREVELAGE! This agenda has already been fulfilled, save the biometrics ID, which is still to come worldwide. Talking of pre-emptive legislation, please look into the changes to bankruptcy laws introduced (in the USA) in the last few years and, how relevant it suddenly became due to the current financial climate!!!! Those changes may also explain the rapid expansion of the building of boot camps/concentration camps/ work camps, what ever you want to call them. Back to our subject, saying all of this, I don’t dismiss for a moment the possibility, that what Gary has seen on his cyber visits to those networks, is something that the PTB are willing to defend at all cost, in order to keep it secret. Bevan’s Case, which was highlighted in one of my earlier posts and more recently by Kerry’s post may explain partly, why Gary was never charged in the UK. Beyond the fact that those who arrested him and had access to his computer, were satisfied that he was not a terrorist and he did not inflict any damages. It is possible, that Bevan case demonstrated the LOOP HOLES and Gary’s case was to be used to close all those loop holes. This may also explain why this case has been such a ‘work in progress’ in terms of moving the legal goal post... Last edited by anonypony; 09-18-2008 at 02:15 PM. |
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09-18-2008, 06:49 PM
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Re: Poor Gary Mckinnon
Atama and mike jetson are straight to the point with this issue-it stands outright to me that this is a media exercise by UK and US govts. in 'setting an example in what happens to those who don't play by the rules'.These govts. should scrutinise their own actions before casting the first stone.Gary's actions are very pale compared to that of the warmongers who wish him interned.I hope that the U.K. judicial system finds some measure of balance in this case and restore some sense of sanity and hope to the legal system.Not that there's much there initially!lol.
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09-18-2008, 06:58 PM
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Re: Poor Gary Mckinnon
The courts and governments are reflections of consciousness. We don't change consciousness through voting. ALTHOUGH voting is a reflection.... and expression, if you will, of your thoughts. We express it outwardly from the state of change INTERNALLY.
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09-18-2008, 07:11 PM
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