**COPIED FROM JL FORUM as per Bill ** John Lear

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by Kerry Cassidy

Hi there,

For the record that is not near where David Wilcock lives... I don't know where you got that address .

But there may still be something to 2012 anyway

cheers John and welcome to the Forum!

Kerry

Hi Kerry,

I got the information from Divine Cosmos:

Welcome to Divine Cosmos, the Internet home for the work of David Wilcock. Within this site are thousands of free pages of scientific and spiritual information about soul growth, Ascension and the evolution of consciousness.

David now lives directly off of Montana Avenue in Santa Monica, California, a great location for Hollywood work, and is fully supported by his job as producer and creative director of CONVERGENCE.

Is this a different David Wilcock?

[Kelle Baley]

Originally Posted by Aware_Belgium

My favorite interviewed, one of the most positive pple I have listedned to, and my favorite phrases:

"as far as planet X ... that's based on 65 years listening to ********"

"in 20-12, you can look back and say, John Lear, on April 2nd, 2008, said it was all ********"

Lets hope so, right ?

comments anyone? I really like John Lear's charisma and I would love to see him join in, in project Avalon, but I guess he's not really believing it'll go down

though his inside scoops rock!

Hello;

John Lear is one of the most refreshing whistle blowers here with us now. I found all of his reports to resonate with truth except that of the planet X issue. For good reason, he and others can only open so much of the truth related to off world presence as they themselves have agendas that would never cross into a kind of mutual agenda at some point.
What i find interesting in regards to this name is the fact that every situation that promises or warns of change on Earth should be termed X. this, the planet of the crossing is Earth first undergoing initiation within Gaia herself and then to all her inhabitants. We can rise to this or not, it-the Being that will initiate Gaia is on its way just as prophesied in many teachings. When it does, no thing can escape its penetration as it contains the origin of sound that created all cosmos. WE in organic matter will engage our rise or fall whichever is the case but on our way to the next existence is eminent.

just go listen to the channelings on utube under the arcturians. they tell of this and it does line up with the mystery of the return of our mind link internally to each other and as one great being.

[JoinTheFun]

@JL

So you're effectively saying that the Nazis have won, when there are 8 military space stations, one of which was used to pulverize the WTC buildings.
There must be a lot of personnel involved in perpetrating (these) heinous acts. Why have none spoken out, bothered by their conscience ? Or have they been groomed and indoctrinated, believing that it's all for the greater good : unifying the planet, saving the human race, saving the planet, at all costs ?
Are compartmentalization, need to know and blindly following orders instead of conscience important factors in this ?
How's that military related to the 'regular' one ? Does it have its own command structure ? Who are in command ?
How far is their technology as biotech(clones fe), robots, androids, quantum computing are concerned ? Are the Borg far beside the truth ? Are personnel monitored, coerced by implants ? Are most still human as we know humans, at all ?
What about the scientists involved, aren't they deeply ashamed by now ? They must have understood by now that there's divinity, spirit underlying this and every other reality, if they're that far ahead.
Is there discontent or even the possibility of revolt among the ranks ?
Do you know of descendants of a previous earth civilization that are involved ?
How do ETs fit into this as regards involvement or influence, for the better maybe ?

Okay, a lot of questions, hope you can provide some more pieces of the puzzle.

Now it's back to personal life, as far as that's not affected by all that lunacy.
But it is, of course.

[Ampgod]

Here are some live video snapshots of 911 as requested.
1. shows missile
2. shows same missile with holographic wing before impact.
3. shows dark grey military style plane with guiding light on building. This plane also showed signs of holographic trickery just a few seconds before the impact by changing the wing angles of the plane very quickly from tipping left to just opposite... tipping right.
4. shows same plane with mounted missile (or guiding system) on center of under belly.

I say both were guided missiles with holographic enhancements.
Or just holographic altogether combined with pre- planted explosives in towers etc.
I'm leaning logically toward all holographic.

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by Ampgod

Here are some live video snapshots of 911 as requested.
1. shows missile
2. shows same missile with holographic wing before impact.
3. shows dark grey military style plane with guiding light on building. This plane also showed signs of holographic trickery just a few seconds before the impact by changing the wing angles of the plane very quickly from tipping left to just opposite... tipping right.
4. shows same plane with mounted missile (or guiding system) on center of under belly.

I say both were guided missiles with holographic enhancements.
Or just holographic altogether combined with pre- planted explosives in towers etc.
I'm leaning logically toward all holographic.

1-3 are very mysterious. 1st - no wings, 2nd - only one wing, very strange. But the 3rd is well known as the "pre-impact explosion" image.
But in the 4th image, the mounted missile could also been explained as a not retracted landing gear. Who knows which buttons they (the amateur Arab pilots) had pressed.



Could it not be that "someone" filled the tanks of the planes, or any other parts in the plane, with Thyrmite and then have let the Arabs make the job.
Conventional Thyrmite is a superfine powder.
That would explain why all 4 planes got totally incinerated.

I saw Dr. Stephen Jones making some experiments with Thyrmite on steel and aluminum. The only thing that remains are tiny steel/aluminum pellets.
And he also showed how the reaction is if steel meets aluminum with a great velocity - ignition. He said that this reaction would not last to ignite the kerosine.

But perhaps the Thyrmite which now, during the plane was penetrating the building, had direct contact to the steel structure.

[Ampgod]

I don't believe there were any arabs involved.

I really found the point of impact very strange. Almost like the nose of whatever they were never really touched the building ever.
They just disappeared into it ... like a hologram would.



Ampgod

[CONDE]

Originally Posted by king lear

1-3 are very mysterious. 1st - no wings, 2nd - only one wing, very strange. But the 3rd is well known as the "pre-impact explosion" image.
But in the 4th image, the mounted missile could also been explained as a not retracted landing gear. Who knows which buttons they (the amateur arab pilots) had pressed.



Could it not be that "someone" filled the tanks of the planes, or any other parts in the plane, with thyrmite and then have let the arabs make the job.
Conventional thyrmite is a superfine powder.
That would explain why all 4 planes got totally incinerated.

I saw dr. Stephen jones making some experiments with thyrmite on steel and aluminum. The only thing that remains are tiny steel/aluminum pellets.
And he also showed how the reaction is if steel meets aluminum with a great velocity - ignition. He said that this reaction would not last to ignite the kerosine.

But perhaps the thyrmite which now, during the plane was penetrating the building, had direct contact to the steel structure.

you can not be real !!!!! You sir, either have a not so clever agenda or are a complete horses **** !

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by CONDE

you can not be real !!!!! You sir, either have a not so clever agenda or are a complete horses **** !

Again I get badly insulted!

Thank you Sir Frank Conde for your kindness.



I don't understand why.
I just uttered a thought.

Another plausible explenation.




I like the idea of holograms, but before I consider that, I just try to find an easier explenation for it.
That is no reason to insult me that heavy.


But don't forget to state "THINK LOVE, THINK PEACE," under your posts, Sir Frank Conde, even if you always insult people!

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by JoinTheFun

@JL

So you're effectively saying that the Nazis have won, when there are 8 military space stations, one of which was used to pulverize the WTC buildings.
There must be a lot of personnel involved in perpetrating (these) heinous acts. Why have none spoken out, bothered by their conscience ?

Same reason the Apollo astronauts haven't spoken out about the moon landing fraud.

Or have they been groomed and indoctrinated, believing that it's all for the greater good : unifying the planet, saving the human race, saving the planet, at all costs ?

Nobody is going to save anybody else except you saving yourself.

Are compartmentalization, need to know and blindly following orders instead of conscience important factors in this ?

Let me guess; you never had a security clearance?

How's that military related to the 'regular' one ? Does it have its own command structure ? Who are in command ?

Its all one and the same.

How far is their technology as biotech(clones fe), robots, androids, quantum computing are concerned?

Further than you could imagine.

Are the Borg far beside the truth ?

I don't understand what you mean?

Are personnel monitored, coerced by implants ?

Some are.

Are most still human as we know humans, at all ?

Yes.

What about the scientists involved, aren't they deeply ashamed by now ?

Not as much ashamed as really ****** off at the oppressive working conditions and secrecy. Most are completely cut off from family by the security measures. So they compensate by concentrating on their work.

They must have understood by now that there's divinity, spirit underlying this and every other reality, if they're that far ahead.

What is divinity, spirit?

Is there discontent or even the possibility of revolt among the ranks ?

There is much discontent. Revolt is unlikely.

Do you know of descendants of a previous earth civilization that are involved ?

We are all descendents of a previous earth civilization.

[quote]How do ETs fit into this as regards involvement or influence, for the better maybe ?

Some good, some bad, some medium rare.

Okay, a lot of questions, hope you can provide some more pieces of the puzzle.

For each piece of the puzzle you find there magically appears 10 more pieces.

For each question answered there are ten more questions.

[JoinTheFun]

Originally Posted by johnlear

...
Borg...

?
Startrek's the Borg, although basically having physical bodies, but where parts have been added or replaced by technology and communication is built in, no individual volition.

But your answer was most are human as we know humans, so my question is, are there beings similar to Borg, where biology has been married to technology in a godless way ?

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by JoinTheFun

?
Startrek's the Borg, although basically having physical bodies, but where parts have been added or replaced by technology and communication is built in, no individual volition.

But your answer was most are human as we know humans, so my question is, are there beings similar to Borg, where biology has been married to technology in a godless way ?

No. We are souls looking and waiting to mature. Our bodies are just temporary containers. The soul is anchored to the body by the blood. When you die your soul goes to a new born baby and you continue your quest to live with integrity; and to live without envy, hate or greed.

[arcora]

Originally Posted by johnlear

When you die your soul goes to a new born baby and you continue your quest to live with integrity; and to live without envy, hate or greed.

As the population increases, where do the new souls come from?

[CONDE]

To have Captain Lear here, answering ALL your questions with such
amazing clarity is the closest I have been to GOD.

I feel GOD is speaking trhu Captain John Lear, the next questions you
ask, should be bearing that concept IN MIND & SPIRIT !.

I also feel GOD is getting bored and that could be the worst mistake
we can ALL make at tis moment.

That also came from somewhere,not me.

I LOVE YOU ALL !

Frank Conde
www.deathisnormal.com

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by arcora

As the population increases, where do the new souls come from?

The Great Soul Making Machine In Outer Space. Where else?

[fred80]

Hi John!
Like so many, I'm a big fan of you! I've read and heard you talking extensively on a number of subjects. However, you have not elaborated so much on what kind of life you believe exist on the other planets - except Mars I think. Could you tell us some more, and how you know or why you believe this to be true??

Best regards
Fred, Norway

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by fred80

Hi John!
Like so many, I'm a big fan of you! I've read and heard you talking extensively on a number of subjects. However, you have not elaborated so much on what kind of life you believe exist on the other planets - except Mars I think. Could you tell us some more, and how you know or why you believe this to be true??

Best regards
Fred, Norway

There is life similar to ours on all planets and most of their moons and many, many space station/cities in the solar system. Many types look like humans many do not. So much is going on in our solar system, so much commerce, so much travel, so many activities by so many different types.

We are being fed downright unadulterated bs about all of our planets. The pictures you see of all planets are false. The pictures you are being fed and told are from Mars are from here on earth as were the photos from Pathfinder in 1997 which were taken in Death Valley.

The only gas giants in our solar system are NASA and its illegitimate son Jim Oberg, Chief Disinformation Officer (ret.)

[fred80]

Originally Posted by johnlear

There is life similar to ours on all planets and most of their moons and many, many space station/cities in the solar system. Many types look like humans many do not. So much is going on in our solar system, so much commerce, so much travel, so many activities by so many different types.

We are being fed downright unadulterated bs about all of our planets. The pictures you see of all planets are false. The pictures you are being fed and told are from Mars are from here on earth as were the photos from Pathfinder in 1997 which were taken in Death Valley.

The only gas giants in our solar system are NASA and its illegitimate son Jim Oberg, Chief Disinformation Officer (ret.)

Thanks John for your input.
Interesting .. I remember sitting up and waiting to four o'clock in the morning, before the images from Pathfinder finally were shown on BBC live. Now you tell me they where from Death Valley.. I feel cheated!!

Life on Pluto - hard to swallow, but I guess you never know the way NASA 's farting dissinformation..

Fred

[johnlear]

Originally Posted by fred80

Thanks John for your input.
Interesting .. I remember sitting up and waiting to four o'clock in the morning, before the images from Pathfinder finally were shown on BBC live. Now you tell me they where from Death Valley.. I feel cheated!!

Life on Pluto - hard to swallow, but I guess you never know the way NASA 's farting dissinformation..

Fred

See, what NASA doesn't tell you is that the Sun is an electromagnetic sphere. Its not a nuclear reactor or nuclear generator or anything nuclear. It does not radiate heat as such. Its not true that the farther the planets are away from the sun the colder they or or that the nearer the warmer. Thats bs. All planets have an atmosphere that filters the radiation of the electromagnetism and creates the proper temperature usually around 72 degrees F. Some are higher some are lower but here is no melting lead on Mercury or freezing polar bears on Pluto.

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

That is a fair assessment, John.

Look at Mercury for an example of this. There is ice in the polar regions, in the bottom of craters. One would expect Mercury to be thermodynamic enough that, given its relative distance from the Sun, it would have boiled off all traces of water/ice LOOOOONG ago.

Many people say "Well, it just evaporates and reforms when the crater is in shadow". Ok...where does the water come from? Once it melts, one would expect it to sublimate into space, never for Mercury to see it again. Yet, it hasn't.

I also wonder if EM must be present for gravity? In other words, if Planet X wasn't a bunch of crap (or Nibiru), could it languish in relative obscurity until it became close enough to our Sun for it to gain enough gravity to effect other system bodies?

Originally Posted by Bigfatfurrytexan

I also wonder if EM must be present for gravity? In other words, if Planet X wasn't a bunch of crap (or Nibiru), could it languish in relative obscurity until it became close enough to our Sun for it to gain enough gravity to effect other system bodies?

Oh YOU WOULD toss something like that into the mix

Now we will HAVE to do the gravity thread

Originally Posted by fred80

I remember sitting up and waiting to four o'clock in the morning, before the images from Pathfinder finally were shown on BBC live. Now you tell me they where from Death Valley.. I feel cheated!!

Oh yes... and we have the proof ya know... from NASA itself...

Pathfinder was the Lander... Sojourner was the Rover

Here it is snooping around in Death Valley...



And that's not all...

Surveyor sitting on a Beach in California... sand is kinda reddish...





And here is Carl Sagan posing with the Viking Lander also taken in Death Valley...




And here is a lesson in ..

How to Fake a Martian Scene



In case your wondering where they parked the...

Lunar Excursion Module (LEM)

I spotted it under a tree...




You can see it on Google Earth +39 57' 27.87", -75 10' 24.54"




Also spotted THIS one... no idea who it belongs to though

[King Lear]

Originally Posted by zorgon

In case your wondering where they parked the...

Lunar Excursion Module (LEM)

I spotted it under a tree...




You can see it on Google Earth +39 57' 27.87", -75 10' 24.54"




Also spotted THIS one... no idea who it belongs to though

Really crazy that they parked the LEM in the middle of Philadelphia, right on the lawn. One would think that such important thing would be parked in a hangar or something similar. Just to conservate it, not exactely to hide it.

What about the last image? Where exactely can we find it? Coordinates?
Thanks

No way Thats a Secret

But I will give you the one parked on the runway...

[milk and honey]

What about inner space John?

If there are hyperdimensional beings that can enter and exit the gross material plane then why can't the soul enter more subtle dimensions for further experience after 'death'? Or even before?

If those beings can travel through extra- physical dimensions in their subtle bodies why can't we? The subtle bodies are containers too. eg, the astral and etheric bodies. Do the subtle bodies die with the physical body? No.

Could they contain the soul in higher dimensions for higher experience in a similar way as the physical body does for physical experience? Of course they can. Some incarnate souls can leave the body before death and travel through the higher planes as easily as diving into a pool of water.

I like to think of the soul as a being which is contained in matter yet is a connected portion of the spiritual-Self in spirit. "As above so below". When you speak of such a limited process of reincarnation maybe you are referring to soulless incarnate entities who's only option at physical death is immediate transmigration into a new body? I Can't speak for you so i don't know your view on whether soulless automatons exist. John?

In the body, the light energy of the soul is most concentrated in the blood, true. But there is far more to the soul than what is contained in the blood. That's like saying the sun is contained in the Earth merely because the sun's light rays reach the earth and are contained in plants and animals through photo-synthesis and plant consumption. This is a fair analogy too because physical beings consume plants and flesh and blood for the simple reason that we must be physically sustained by energy from these secondary sources. The energy locked within these sources is taken for sustenance by physical beings who have not perfected the soul so as to draw sustenance directly from the spirit within -- the sun center of our spiritual- Self -- which is the source of all energy and form.

Does anyone still wonder why the dark ones find us so attractive? They're cut off from the source and need a continual fix from those who are still connected to source, however tenuously.

John... "What is divinity and spirit"? You asked that question like you consider them phantoms.

As far as words can tell...

Divinity is the spiritual- Self of each person whose origin is on the spiritual plane beyond the physical. A portion of the spiritual- Self --the soul -- is connected to that Self (by the crystal chord) yet has plunged into a lower body in which it is now 'contained'. Spirit is the shore, the body is the boat and the soul is the captain. The weather is all energy ever drawn from inner spirit by the incarnate soul and which is now returning to it in the same quality and measure with which it was ever expressed. One day calm and sunny, another a hurricane.

Spirit is the origin of every manifest form including our gross physical body and subtle soul. It is the essence of every thing. Spirit is a very high frequency intelligent energy which originates in the spiritual- Self and because the soul is deeply connected to it, it is accessible even at the 3d level right within our own hearts. It's called love, yet love is not behavior and sweet words per se. Anyone can pretend those. It is an energy which can descend from the divine- Self into the soul and infuse our outer words and behavior. Spiritual energy enters 3d through the doors of the chakras. Without the flow of love from the inner source, there can be no positive personal change because there is no positive energy to achieve it. Only the spiritual energy within us can dissolve hate, greed, envy and deceit.

When we access this inner light it can literally shine like the sun and dissolve all the corruptions of our own psyche as it moves through the emotional depths of our own being. The "divine motor" can fill the soul (and yes the blood) with more light energy and motivate loving service to others. It is the elixer of eternal life. It catalyses self-transformation and growth (soul maturity) because it raises the vibration of all that it contacts. Starting with ourselves.

That's why talking to spirit and giving mantras and songs can be uplifting. It primes the inner pump at the source of all life.

Originally Posted by JoinTheFun

?
Startrek's the Borg, although basically having physical bodies, but where parts have been added or replaced by technology and communication is built in, no individual volition.

But your answer was most are human as we know humans, so my question is, are there beings similar to Borg, where biology has been married to technology in a godless way ?

Oh goody an opening for the latest paid by YOUR tax dollar DARPA project announcement... (they say "timing is everything" )

THE BORG

Brain Machine Interface: BMI (Cyborg Soldiers)

BMI is brought to us by The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) the central research and development organization for the Department of Defense (DoD). According to DARPA it manages and directs selected basic and applied research and development projects for the DoD, and pursues research and technology where risk and payoff are both very high and where success may provide dramatic advances for traditional military roles and missions.

High on DARPA’s wish list: mind-controlled battle robots, airplanes flown by mere thought, and cyborg soldiers.

BMI Robotic ArmScientists have already learned to steer a rat around a room by remote control. A rat with an electrode implanted in it’s brain! A monkey has been made to control a robotic arm. DARPA tells Duke researchers, “if a monkey can control a robotic arm with his brain, then we want soldiers to control machines of war with their thoughts.” Will they use mind control on us next?

CYBORG SOLDIERS

Brain Machine Interface - Harvesting Biology for Defense Technology (DSO) PDF File

Brain Machine Interface - Defense Sciences Office (DSO)
Dr. Eric Eisenstadt
PDF File


DARPA Bioengineering Program Seeks to Turn Soldiers Into Cyborgs
Frankensteins in the Pentagon

DARPA To Support Development Of Human Brain-Machine Interfaces
Science Daily

Do I see any hands for the volunteer program?