Be careful not to be gullible.

[Jnana]

Yes, this is true - but the problem is that very few people know the source of the problem or how to defend themselves from it. Running around with shotguns and burying boxes of food isn't going to help.

Okay, so what WILL help? What is the source of the problem and how should people prepare to defend themselves from it?

There's NO POSSIBLE WAY I could convey what I know to a forum such as this.

Why?

Greer is the biggest liar in the whole movement. Fact!

I disagree. Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by Jnana

Okay, so what WILL help? What is the source of the problem and how should people prepare to defend themselves from it?

The source of the problem is something which would take many threads and much discussion to convey - and I would not be given the chance here (and I am sure of that). So, I am merely trying to help people out in a lesser way, by at LEAST pointing them in the right direction, away from delusion and evil.

Originally Posted by Jnana

Why?

To put it simply, it is because what the Bible states is true (and I could put a good case for that, given the chance). However, the world has become, for the most part (as the Bible predicts) a God mocking, Jesus hating, immoral, egotistical, self loving swamp of pride.

I do understand why. It is because of "religion" - which is a cancer on the souls of men and turns more people away from the truth than any atheist ever could.

Therefore, I COULD "begin" to explain what I know and how I know it. But I know full well, that I would not get more than several responses into my explanations and knowledge (much of which comes with actual experience), without attracting a hoard of satanic New Ager's which would (of course) mock everything I say until every thread or comment I made became so full with mockery and laugher, that any point I tried to make would not come through.

So these days, I tend to show up on a forum -- spit out as much truth as possible before I am lynched and then when I am no longer able to post because of the constant interruptions, I simply move along and try to share what I know with the next forum.

I would need months to explain what I know (n detail). I would need open minds and sincerity. However, the vast majority of people are incapable of behaving in such a manner, and the moment I'd mention "The Bible" (even if a Biblical reference was a foundational side note, and not my whole point), I would be labeled "religious". Of course, I am not religious, and I cannot stand religion, but the ignorant people of this world seem to hold fast to the idea that the Bible is a religion and that God is incapable of having it written for us (assuming that any person who holds such a view actually acknowledges God and isn't wrapped up in a fantasy of "higher self", "channeling" and "aliens").

Already on this forum, several snide remarks have been made about "preaching" and "Jesus" to my few of my threads and responses -- which I have so far ignored. They are of course, pokes, to see if I will response with a Biblical quote -- and I know what happens at that point. I know full well. The hoard shows up. But it just goes to show, that it is not possible for a forum that is loaded with New Age Movement disciples to learn the actual truth behind things.

I have been on other forums before. I was lynched at the utterance of "Jesus". However, even though I mentioned the Bible and Jesus (because it is absolutely necessary for me to convey the "rest" of what I have come to learn), my point was to show people the true reality be hind actual events and circumstances of the world.

I have never, to this point, been able to full explain my life story, what I know and how I came to know without being either lynched, banned, losing my temper (which I don't do anymore, but I used to), or simply being unable to post ANYTHING because a dozen or two of the forum members decided that they would follow every post and turn it into a circus. I am not personally upset by this -- only that I cannot get my experiences out to people.

I understand that I do not have much time left on this forum (after this post), before I am lynched. I will then, of course, move to the next forum and try again.

I would advise, that any forum looking for truth (earnestly looking for truth) set a policy that gang bashing people who derive their message from the Bible, be extended the same courtesy of those who preach the religion of channeling, tarot cards and aliens -- without mockery.

This is because there are many people on this earth who "have the truth: or at the very least -- a nice portion of it (literally from God), and have been shown the truth with both visions and personal experiences, along with a true gift of discernment according to God's word -- and it would not hurt anyone to at least let such people speak without being abused.

On any forum full of New Age people, any topic is allowed. Everything is tolerated (you name it) - except the views of anyone who mentions "Jesus". That says something right there. It is sad, because there are a LOT of knowledgeable people on tis earth, who are very intelligent, very wise and have experienced the most phenomenal things that want to share them, but feel as if they have to fit in with the New Agers to do so. However, I will not and cannot.

I can handle the odd joke and the odd snide remark. Don't get me wrong. I don't go around handing out flatteries either, if I don't agree with something. There is such a thing as "being frank" and I am not adverse to it. It's not that I am thin skinned. I am actually quite patient, but when the mockery gets to a point where conversation is literally hijacked (purposefully) and turned into a festival of laugher and one-upmanship to see who can be the most insulting, the message (or the attempt at delivering it) gets lost. That's the sad part. That's the frustrating part. I have a LOT to say, but I can never get around to actually saying it. If I just "spit it out" off the bat, I can't even get started before the threads become a circus.

I can even handle constant questioning (even though it's distracting), like people who want to test me on why I believe what I believe. However, any "Jesus" thread on a forum full of New Ager's (such as this forum) WILL be pulled down to the ground like a pride of lions on a deer.

Yes, I will combat New Age statements. I will offer my view that it's garbage (if I think a statement is). But I leave it at that. I don't hang around the thread and follow the person around day in and day out with 12 of my friends, doing everything I can for a laugh -- and to eventually have that person leave. That's just sad. I see it ALL OVER the Internet, and only ever happens to anyone who loves God -- which are usually genuine, honest and caring people who are sincerely trying to convey information, but then get all upset and flustered and wind up getting upset.

If I were running a large forum, I one of my policies would be that "debate" and "argument" is allowed, but group bashings and going "on and on" to abuse the statement of one person (no matter WHAT they were) would be strictly not allowed, because -- again: No one knows WHAT that person might "know", who they "are", where they got their information from (aside from prayer and the Bible), and what they may be trying to lead to.

Hint: It's not always: YOU'RE GOING TO HELL SINNER! (I would never say that anyway).

Let me say this: No one on this forum will find truth if they hate God. That's the truth. What people need to understand is that although the "church" (which is not a building -- it is "God's people") has fallen away (as the Bible said it would), and that the vast majority of people who say they are Christian are not, there ARE "some" people in this world who are not religious, but do have a relationship with the most high, and can understand the spiritual messages of both the Bible and spiritual origins of things that are happening in the world - and want to share it. But it takes time, sincerity and patience.

[Sarahmay]

A zealot with too much time on their hands.

[BROOK]

Should have guess it! Now it comes out

[WarriorServant]

..and I rest my case.

I guess no one wants to hear what I have to say.

I wont beg for an audience.

[BROOK]

And just where was Jesus when some of or our children were abducted, it the most terror filled times of their lives? Huh?

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by WarriorServant

..and I rest my case.

I guess no one wants to hear what I have to say.

I wont beg for an audience.

Oh no...don't leave...did I say something wrong?

[Jnana]

WarriorServant,

You have found that your current approach yields consistent undesirable results. I humbly suggest that a different approach might yield different, possibly better, results. Perhaps a more compassionate approach? Perhaps less of "I'm right and you all are gullible idiots!" If you have special insights to share, special experience, or special knowledge, this is the most understanding group around. But you have to allow others room to find their own way in their own time. Best of luck to you.

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by Jnana

WarriorServant,

You have found that your current approach yields consistent undesirable results. I humbly suggest that a different approach might yield different, possibly better, results. Perhaps a more compassionate approach? Perhaps less of "I'm right and you all are gullible idiots!" If you have special insights to share, special experience, or special knowledge, this is the most understanding group around. But you have to allow others room to find their own way in their own time. Best of luck to you.

You're right. I am yet to find an approach that works better.

But, please consider:

"You're brainwashed by a satanic ideology."
"You're susceptible to a satanic delusion."
"Aliens aren't real. They're demons."
"Crop circles are man made."
"Greer is a liar."
"Many whistle blowers are Godless (and subject to delusion)"
"You wont see the light of day, according to truth, while you hate God."
"Abduction experiences are demonic"

..usually doesn't go down very well right off the bat (around New Age types), and I am promptly called an idiot and am lynched before I get much further. And there's usually no other way around saying those things. They're plain facts. I have a lot more information too.

At least during my short stay on this forum, I was able to get people to consider SOME of what I have said, before I revealed my source.

And for all of you that say "Oh we're all understanding, we will accept your views if you're just nice"..

Listen: I was born at night, but it wasn't last night.

I know the spirit of this forum.

If anyone is interested in truth contact me.

If anyone was upset by what I said (and my approach), then that shows me that you "associated YOURSELF" with those that I wanted to give a kick in the pants. In which case, I meant EVERY word I said, and again: SNAP OUT OF IT!

[BROOK]

Yep...we're all filled with the devil and demons

And the light workers here, have no idea what God is...we are a sorry bunch now aren't we?

You words sir serve you and "your" God. But the God I know serves the whole of mankind. In fact the Universe, and every creation in it. Including the aliens.

There is a spiritual war out there...rest assured of that. And to lump things in a tidy little package, and use it to serve an idiology..is service to that idea. Not service to God.

[iainl140285]

Welcome back M1*

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by iainl140285

Welcome back M1*

Yeah...that's what I was thinking exactly...The flaming sword avenger back for round 2....

I can't play right now WS....busy deluding myself.

[no caste]

Originally Posted by Stargazer1965

Yeah...that's what I was thinking exactly...The flaming sword avenger back for round 2....

I can't play right now WS....busy deluding myself.

Me too, back again. Anyway, maybe third time lucky. I think he {oops, talking behind his back} may have a lot of great stuff in his head, but such a d*ck.

A song or 2 then - for M1* and/or WS:

once -say it to me now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPwXsQe87e4

Try sticking around. I like you. Just stop with the roll-y Jesus laughs.

(Once) - When your mind's made up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MgPqYKG2y4&NR=1

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by iainl140285

Welcome back M1*

Seems that way now doesn't it

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by iainl140285

Welcome back M1*

yeah, he belongs to the same "soul" group.... I felt that from the very beginning...

[Humble Janitor]

You might want to learn how to comment without insulting everyone in this thread, Mr. Warriyah.

[WarriorServant]

Hahaha -- hahaha -- make fun of the "religious guy"

He said "Jesus" -- Oooooh!

Hahaha -- hahaha -- make fun of the "religious guy"

He said "Jesus" -- Oooooh!

Hahaha -- hahaha -- make fun of the "religious guy"

He said "Jesus" -- Oooooh!

[BROOK]

I rest my case...every time I respond to his message..he cuts and runs....not prepared at all to deal with what we have to offer here in the way of response...and guess what...he might learn a thing or two, if he stuck around and was prepared to deal with our response.

That tells me a whole lot more.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Yep...we're all filled with the devil and demons

And the light workers here, have no idea what God is...we are a sorry bunch now aren't we?

You words sir serve you and "your" God. But the God I know serves the whole of mankind. In fact the Universe, and every creation in it. Including the aliens.

There is a spiritual war out there...rest assured of that. And to lump things in a tidy little package, and use it to serve an idiology..is service to that idea. Not service to God.

Just in case you missed it the first time...I restate my stance where you are concerned and your opinions

[BROOK]

I will say one last time! DO NOT BE GULLIBLE! THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO BECOME A VERY EVIL AND DANGEROUS PLACE! I AM TRYING TO WARN YOU -- YOU NONGS!

What the heck is a 'NONG"?

I think he just insulted us again.....

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Just in case you missed it the first time...I restate my stance where you are concerned and your opinions

Brook, in all honesty - I couldn't care less WHAT your opinion is. Go back and look at your responses. You couldn't care less. You're just siting here filling in time for yourself with jokes and one liners. I am being serious here, so if you can't find something constructive to say, I'm not interested. Ok, you don't agree with me. Then offer something INTELLIGENT as a response instead of acting like a clown. Sheesh...

[Jnana]

WarriorServant,

There are many here, including myself, who have first hand experience as well, first hand experience that directly conflict with some of the things on your list. Experiences are always subject to interpretation, and there is a danger there, but if you don't respect my experiences how can you expect me to respect yours? A civil discussion of such things can lead to greater understanding all around, but not if you insist that you are the only one who knows the truth. You most assuredly are not. Because you come with what appears to be a closed mind, there is no room for the discussion you say you desire. Once you overcome that obstacle, you may eventually find there is considerable validity to concepts you currently scoff at. Don't get mad at us. We're trying to turn things around too! We're on the same side!

[FIIISH]

WarriorServant,

Your posts remind me a great deal of another poster who
visited us recently, namely m1*

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=9026

This person had a very similar tone and approach to his interactions here,
and ultimately stopped posting due to the resulting conflict.

It doesn't have to be this way.

Sincerely,

FIIISH

EDIT:

Welcome back M1*

I see I am not the only one with this impression.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by WarriorServant

If anyone is interested in truth contact me.

You see, this is the problem.

There is no - One Truth - that somebody or a certain minority possess and others don't.

There is no - I'm right and everyone else is wrong unless they believe what I believe -

You outlined this:

But, please consider:

"You're brainwashed by a satanic ideology."
"You're susceptible to a satanic delusion."
"Aliens aren't real. They're demons."
"Crop circles are man made."
"Greer is a liar."
"Most whistleblowers are Godless"
"You wont see the light of day, according to truth, while you hate God."
"Abduction experiences are demonic"

In reality, those are all sets of assumptions, based solely on your perspectives, which are apparently validated by a religion or a religious text like the Bible.

Outlining those is also generalizing everyone here with those characteristics, and I doubt any two people have the same exact beliefs, whether it be about just those specific things or other stuff too.

There is nothing wrong with someone being religious, likewise there is nothing wrong with new age beliefs. You have to respect that though.

This is probably the main reason why many people have abandoned the organized world religions. Because of this constantly reinforced dictatorship type ideology. Either you're with you us or against us. Its black or its white. You're good or you're evil. You worship God or you worship Satan. ETs are demons, "all because my book tells me so".

Where are the shades of gray, where is the balancing act?

Titling the thread "be careful not be gullible" is a suggestion that people here are gullible simply because they do not agree with you or your beliefs. And that is insulting to others and very closed minded.

Best regards,

[WarriorServant]

Majorion,

In reality, those are all sets of assumptions, based solely on your perspectives, which are apparently validated by a religion or a religious text like the Bible.

They are based on "experience" -- REAL LIFE experience. I have had CONTACT and ASSOCIATIONS since I was a toddler! But unfortunately, I do not have the appropriate USB adaptor to plug into my HEAD to show you on a 700 inch SCREEN!

Outlining those is also generalizing everyone here with those characteristics, and I doubt any two people have the same exact beliefs, whether it be about just those specific things or other stuff too.

I agree. I have not and would never lump people together. People tend to read something that they don't like and associate themselves with it. Please find ONE instance of me saying: "You're all possessed" or "You're all this or that". You WILL not. I make a general statement which is designed for those who WISH to associate with it. How is it my fault that so many people associate with it?

There is nothing wrong with someone being religious, likewise there is nothing wrong with new age beliefs. You have to respect that though.

I am not religious and I despise being called religious. I AM NOT RELIGIOUS! However, I do believe the Bible is the word of God and I have extracted much spiritual knowledge from it (including that Jesus is Lord). It is naive and ignorant to call someone who reads the Bible "religious" - for you do not know what I believe and what I do not. You do not know what I got from the Bible, how I got it, or which experiences it was associated with. You do not know WHICH parts of what I know came from DIRECT experience and interaction. You do not know what I have SEEN! You hear "Jesus" and then: I am "RELIGIOUS" (ARGH!).. and no one will hear another word!

This is probably the main reason why many people have abandoned the organized world religions. Because of this constantly reinforced dictatorship type ideology. Either you're with you us or against us. Its black or its white. You're good or you're evil. You worship God or you worship Satan. ETs are demons, "all because my book tells me so".

Religion, religion, religion - BLAH BLAH BLAH... *I want to scream myself to sleep* - If someone reads the Bible it does {{{NOT MAKE THEM RELIGIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!}}}

Where are the shades of gray, where is the balancing act?

I DON'T KNOW - YOU'RE TELLING THE STORY! I'M NOT RELIGIOUS!

Titling the thread "be careful not be gullible" is a suggestion that people here are gullible simply because they do not agree with you or your beliefs. And that is insulting to others.

I gave a warning to those who might relate to the warning. I did not lump anyone together. However, I AM ADAMANT that "many" people on this forum are heading STRAIGHT towards a brick wall at a fraction less then the speed of light! I am trying to turn people away from IDIOCY! I know "idiocy" is relative, but if you would read what I wrote, keeping in mind that I "generalized" (which allows people to either associate themselves with the warning or not), you will find that the message is for this: WHO WANT TO HEAR IT.

I will say one last time! DO NOT BE GULLIBLE! THE WORLD IS ABOUT TO BECOME A VERY EVIL AND DANGEROUS PLACE! I AM TRYING TO WARN YOU -- (Edited - not really necessary - Steve - What part of Aus are you from?)!