The ego what is it? How to transcend?

[14 Chakras]

In the River of Life analogy, to me the ego is the drop of water that has left the river, it's stuck in some mud along the Way. (and the descriptions in the thread above are great too!)

Being back in the river doesn't mean a loss of individuality, it means seeing who we are in Oneness rather than thinking we are something in separation.

The River of Life is literally made up of billions and billions of "I"s. All the Ascended "I"s make up All that I's ~ IS.

What IS is co-created by all the "I's" / IS.

Overcoming ego is not about loss of Self. Overcoming ego is about loss of self and birth of Self.

Yogananda, Jesus Christ, Mother Mary, Gautama Buddha, Saint Germain (oops controversial one for yah?), Krishna etc. do not cease to exist in the Ascended state. They have simply become much More because they no longer identify themselves as the lowly human who is seperated from the source. They have been reborn in Oneness with the source, and they are literally unique personas of God. Co-creators in Oneness with All that IS, and they are always transcending themselves, always learning and Being More. Eternal Life, eternal co-creation in the eternal Now, total complete freedom where the universe itSelf is our playground, awaits those who choose to Be.

However, affirm your separation, affirm your humanness, & reap as you sew, remain the human, remain the dead burying the dead, when in reality, ye are Gods choosing not to be.

[Steven]

To me, "transcending" is the integration of the Ego into the soul being. Making all experience learned integrated into the soul. I see the Ego as a portion of lived experiences into materiality that once integrated into the long living soul, refines it.

I see the soul diving into materiality to experience Life in a unique way. The Ego take shapes as experiences are acquired and at the time to leave, the soul still needs to digest it all...

Namaste, Steven

[greybeard]

Dear 14 Chakras
your input here is greatly appreciated.
Chris
Namaste

[greybeard]

Good night to all.
Snow forcast tomorrow.
Chris

[mudra]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

In the River of Life analogy, to me the ego is the drop of water that has left the river, it's stuck in some mud along the Way.

"it's not necessary to try to become your true self. you can't be anything else. it's impossible to be other than what we truly are - and what we are changes moment to moment. but because our tendency to grasp is so strong, it may take us some time to learn to trust and relax into our unfixed nature. ego wants to be substantial and special, and it will try to possess each new realization and insight. when ego grasps at the gains we've made, we will suffer the consequences. most of us fall into this trap many times before finally seeing that grasping is futile and admitting to ourselves, 'ah, maybe i really am zero, nothing special!' when we make practice our life, we can expect to encounter many traps and sticking places. yet we can make this an honorable part of our practice by remaining watchful and letting go each time we become stuck. by returning to zero again and again, we gradually close the gap and actualize our unfathomable true nature."

Chogyam Trungpa

Love Always
mudra

[greybeard]

Our form is naught but atoms in movement of the same sacredness as the grain of sand or the distant star. All form has an aloted life span.
What we truly are is formless awareness and eternal.
Ego !! who needs it?
We are beyond that.

With love Chris

[Leunamros]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Our form is naught but atoms in movement of the same sacredness as the grain of sand or the distant star. All form has an aloted life span.
What we truly are is formless awareness and eternal.
Ego !! who needs it?
We are beyond that.

With love Chris

You are not beyond it, you talk from it. You asks to be free of desire, from being full of desire as a condition; totally nonsense. Your ego is your desires, everyone of them, from wanting to be above, or wanting to trascend it. You despise yourself, that way. You are a human trying to avoid being human, trying to develop techniques to be alive without position on the cosmos. You cannot see yourself tiny, because you want to be above the pathetic being you are right now!.

You have to recognice how pathetic you are to love yourself, really. To see what´s beyond. You dont know what love is, you arent able to love yourself, with so much "i wanna be"...

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Leunamros

You are not beyond it, you talk from it. You asks to be free of desire, from being full of desire as a condition; totally nonsense. Your ego is your desires, everyone of them, from wanting to be above, or wanting to trascend it. You despise yourself, that way. You are a human trying to avoid being human, trying to develop techniques to be alive without position on the cosmos. You cannot see yourself tiny, because you want to be above the pathetic being you are right now!.

You have to recognice how pathetic you are to love yourself, really. To see what´s beyond.

I did Leunamros.
Only through a spiritual awakening did I survive alcholism.
With respect

Chris

[Leunamros]

Originally Posted by greybeard

I did Leunamros.
Only through a spiritual awakening did I survive alcholism.
With respect

Chris

That gives sense to your actitude. Don´t feel ashamed. You had your reasons to be at it, i understand. I respect your decisions. So that´s my love towards you. I dont ask you to trust what im saying man, im just asking.... just not to be afraid of yourself, of being the human being you are; you know, i need human beings to be around me, i need real persons, to be here! in this earth;.... why people ask to leave always.... why pèople encourage others to be above what we are now, because they are unhappy here??!!!, that´s destructive!.

If they want to make this world something better to live in, let´s all of us be what we are, so we can win the battle we think we are fighting.

I dont think there is another way.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Leunamros

Your ego is your desires, everyone of them, from wanting to be above, or wanting to trascend it.

quite right

desire for that

is the thorn to uproot

the seeds of desire


so the worlds do not spring up again

and soil us

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by RedeZra

quite right

desire for that

is the thorn to uproot

the seeds of desire


so the worlds do not spring up again

and play us

Very wise RedeZra

The thorn is used to remove the thorn then both are thrown away.

The ego hears of enliightenment and wants it, it becomes a spiritual ego little realising that it is signing its own death warrent.

Nothing needs to be added - Not this not this leads to the answer to the question what am I? its a subtraction process.

Before enlightenment
Chopping wood --- fetching water.

After enlightenment
Chopping wood ------ fetching water.

Thanks
Chris

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Enlightenment is a an egoless nonduality state brought about by the grace of God

It is all about the Grace of God

for there are no other

[Gringo]

hello everybody I have a couple of questions for the people who could answer...I am very new to to this and was wondering if transending is the same thing as raising your consciousness level, and if so how can I raise my consciousness? you see i live in a small town where there is no classes or groups for this...so I turn to you for enlightenment. Please try to keep it simple if thats possable, im just starting to drink this in, so... baby steps if you can. I guess what im trying to ask is how to raise my energy level or chakra or chi?

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Gringo

hello everybody I have a couple of questions for the people who could answer...I am very new to to this and was wondering if transending is the same thing as raising your consciousness level, and if so how can I raise my consciousness? you see i live in a small town where there is no classes or groups for this...so I turn to you for enlightenment. Please try to keep it simple if thats possable, im just starting to drink this in, so... baby steps if you can. I guess what im trying to ask is how to raise my energy level or chakra or chi?

Hello Gringo
good question.
Raising consciousness will at some point in time transcensd the ego.
I would sugest that in all humilty you pray for help first.
Somthing simple like.
"Beloved God I am ignorant of spiritual matters please help me to raise my consciousness."

Meditation is a proven way to do this.
Keep it very simple and dont look for an end result ie a spiritual experience, this will happen if you are patient.
Just offer the meditation to God close your eyes and watch the thoughts drift bye dont get involved in anything that comes up, just be the witness of it all.
To help you still your mind, as you breath in folow the course of the breath same with breathing out.

Dont get into the spiritual circus of chakras, technique, anything other than prayer and meditation. (im not saying these dont work but they are a distraction)

I would sugest you get the book "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.
Its a massive best seller.
You can find him on u tube also.
The more time you can regularly put to reading, listening to spiritual input the better.

There is a lot of scarey stuff on the forum--- avoid it.
Do your best to think positivly.
Anything that Mudra puts up can be trusted.

Wishing you every sucess in your spiritual endevour.
The raising of your personal consciousness raises the collective.
Chris

[Gringo]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hello Gringo
good question.
Raising consciousness will at some point in time transcensd the ego.
I would sugest that in all humilty you pray for help first.
Somthing simple like.
"Beloved God I am ignorant of spiritual matters please help me to raise my consciousness."

Meditation is a proven way to do this.
Keep it very simple and dont look for an end result ie a spiritual experience, this will happen if you are patient.
Just offer the meditation to God close your eyes and watch the thoughts drift bye dont get involved in anything that comes up, just be the witness of it all.
To help you still your mind, as you breath in folow the course of the breath same with breathing out.

Dont get into the spiritual circus of chakras, technique, anything other than prayer and meditation. (im not saying these dont work but they are a distraction)

I would sugest you get the book "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle.
Its a massive best seller.
You can find him on u tube also.
The more time you can regularly put to reading, listening to spiritual input the better.

There is a lot of scarey stuff on the forum--- avoid it.
Do your best to think positivly.
Anything that Mudra puts up can be trusted.

Wishing you every sucess in your spiritual endevour.
The raising of your personal consciousness raises the collective.
Chris

Thank you Greybeard I will start today

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Gringo

hello everybody I have a couple of questions for the people who could answer...I am very new to to this and was wondering if transending is the same thing as raising your consciousness level, and if so how can I raise my consciousness? you see i live in a small town where there is no classes or groups for this...so I turn to you for enlightenment. Please try to keep it simple if thats possable, im just starting to drink this in, so... baby steps if you can. I guess what im trying to ask is how to raise my energy level or chakra or chi?

Hello again Gringo
Let me know how you get on with the meditation.
Consitancy is important. Ten minutes twice a day to begin with is better than trying to meditate an hour twice a wreek.

Chris

[Leunamros]

Raising consciousness?,

really, people really seek good emotions, by doing that?. Enlightenment?, what the duck is that?, the epitome of an ego who dislikes themself searching for it´s own hated inmortality?. A fallacy?, none can know everything, There is no enlightenment, there is just the moment in wich you lift the veil over something. There are infinite veils to be lifted.

Raising consciousness in it´s very sense expands your limits, wich means expands your capacity of feeling bad and good emotions, nothing assured you will feel any of both no matter the technique you use. Life threatening experiences, in many senses, make you able to change yourself radically so you sphere of consciousness usually increases.

Ascension, and trascendence is being misunderstood literally here, and anywhere, and threated as an issue completelly ignore by those who presume of knowing anything about it.

Ascension means you expand your capacity to interpret and feel the cosmos, so the consecuences of such an expansion don´t gives you bliss forever, just an enhanced human experience, so to speak, wich, with you limited intelligence right now, you can´t grasp; but, eventually, you will.

That means you will be able to experience a nearer heaven, and a nearer hell, as the eye of your consciousness increases it´s accuracy to penetrate further into the infinite fractal structure of the cosmos.

With increased consciousness, new problems arises, as new benefits.

With the example most of you if not all are given here, none of you will accept to ascend, because you are seeking for the opposite: fleeing from the negative. Fleeing from a part of what you are makes your way forward incomplete.

[14 Chakras]

Hell disapears in Oneness.

Beyond duality is reality, where you and I are infinite potentiality.

Suffering is the fruit of maintaining the illusion of seperation. Abundance is in Oneness.

The source of All Life is accessible within. It wishes to provide abundance, creativity, Power, Wisdom, Unconditional Love, for it is a Sun and it shines on both the just and the unjust.

However, our own illusions of separation, our human ego, blocks the Way from the Abundant Life BEing made manifest.

Do we wish to experience suffering, limited abilities, victim consciousness for another 10,000 lifetimes? Well, the choice is ours, but Now is the opportunity to transcend lack and suffering and move back into the Divine flow of things, where we constantly Be More in Oneness with our source.

Oneness is not sameness, Oneness is reality, Oneness IS.

[Leunamros]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Hell disapears in Oneness.

Beyond duality is reality, where you and I are infinite potentiality.

Suffering is the fruit of maintaining the illusion of seperation. Abundance is in Oneness.

The source of All Life is accessible within. It wishes to provide abundance, creativity, Power, Wisdom, Unconditional Love, for it is a Sun and it shines on both the just and the unjust.

However, our own illusions of separation, our human ego, blocks the Way from the Abundant Life BEing made manifest.

Do we wish to experience suffering, limited abilities, victim consciousness for another 10,000 lifetimes? Well, the choice is ours, but Now is the opportunity to transcend lack and suffering and move back into the Divine flow of things, where we constantly Be More in Oneness with our source.

Oneness is not sameness, Oneness is reality, Oneness IS.

I dont need any of that. Keep trying. You are still childs seeking for guidance. In fear and denial about the possibility of experiencing pain. But, funnily enough, all your universe can´t exist without it, because it´s made of it.

When all here makes you laugh, even the worst pain, you are ready to ascend.

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by Leunamros

When all here makes you laugh, even the worst pain, you are ready to ascend.

This I tend to agree with, however, I also know it is very unnecessary to suffer if you do not feel the need to have this experience.

Suffering ends when we surrender to what IS, to reality beyond the matrix, beyond duality. In Oneness is no suffering.

As LindaBaker's signature says: How would we know what was awesome if we didn't know what sucked. (From Beavis and Butthead).

Reality doesn't suck, it's awesome, but the game we've been playing, is the game of seperation, the game of suffering.

NONE of us had to play this game, we were not forced here. All of us made decisions that led us to this level of creation, the outskirts where the illusion of seperation is very great, very dense.

For whatever reason, we wanted to experience suffering, and we have indeed done so.

We can climb back towards abundant reality whenever we wish, but the choice is ours.

We are the prodigal son, we have decided to go out and spend our inheritance, our light, on the things of the world, rather than accept the father's kingdom. Is the Father angry? No, not at all, in fact a great feast is prepared for us when we decide to come back home to the kingdom of Oneness that is inside of us here and Now.

But as long as we wish to remain away from home, in the illusion of ego and seperation, then we can continue to do so as long as we still have light to spend... the choice is ours and nothing, nothing whatsoever outside of us, no one, affects our own ability to come back home into Oneness ~ into the conscious state of co-creation with the infinite kingdom of Oneness that IS reality.

But, as long as we desire to play the illusion that we are separate from each other and from the source, as long as we wish to continue to experience pain, being a victim, fighting, then we can continue to do so. Because the consciousness that is the Father, our own I AM within, has ultimate respect for our free will.

We will reap as we sew and gain the experience we desire Now.

[Leunamros]

the more you tell how great we are, how great our capabilities are, how special, the less i feel the universe around me. The less connected, i feel, if i listen to what you have just said.

That´s just the opposite i need. But i dont know where to get that humility, without doing drugs (hallucinogens).


Indeed, to overcome ourselves, to trascend ourselves, we have to recognice first how pathetic we are. How insignificant, how tiny we are, and walls of text show how pathetic we are.

You are pathetic, 14 chakras, i am pathetic, we all are.

It could be hard to see with you spiritually inflated egos, but those egos can be changed with others much better attunned with my idea of ascension. Because, we all can have some idea on how to do it, dont you think?. Even if it does exists,... because i dont know if ascension happens, im speculating.

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by Leunamros

But i dont know where to get that humility, without doing drugs.

Yes, I get that.

Truth is not black and white. This thread is about ego. Ego is not divine, not god. The separate self is the illusion. It is the prodigal son. The prodigal son thinks he's hot stuff, real hot stuff, and goes out to do it on his own. He ends up in the pig pen of suffering. He really is the Sun of the Father, but has certainly not been acting like it!

The school of hard knocks, you reap as you sew, has done a number or two on him. He decides to leave his experiences behind and go back home and is welcomed with a great feast when he does. In fact, the father has many mansions and has saved up an inheritance for the son and has a mansion waiting for him.

However, the Father has no desire to work against the sons free will. Should the son wish to continue to work in the pig pen then the Father respects the sons will.

If the son is still feeling high and mighty having left the kingdom of Oneness... then he will reap as he sews. Every thought, action, and energy used by the son will reap the consequences of the energy. If the son uses his energy correctly, he will reap abundance. However, when operating from the separate mind, the ego mind, the son simply will not sew rightly, he will sew the wind and reap the whirlwind. The mind of separation justifies all sorts of atrocities, but the energy must be repaid one way or another.

If we are still stuck in the high and mighty ego phase where we feel better than others and like we can do whatever we want regardless of it's impact on others... I suggest we will quickly learn our lessons. We live in a time when Karma is cycling much quicker so that we can learn our lessons and make this shift that is coming.

The school of hard knocks, which is simply the return of the energy we send out, will help us open our eyes and make a more clear decision of how much longer we wish to play the game of suffering and separation and stay in the mud of the pig pen...

The option is to come back into the abundance, the inheritance that awaits as we surrender our own need to keep up the struggle, keep up the fight, keep up the grudge, fear, being right etc. and surrender all the garbage for the reality of unconditional Love.

Essentially we have the option to give up our pocket change (human ego / suffering) for millions of dollars (the Kingdom of heaven consciousness that is inside of us, at hand Now).

In the end, the choice is always ours and ours alone!

[greybeard]

Quote Leunamros

When all here makes you laugh, even the worst pain, you are ready to ascend.
End quote.

We are agreed.
LIfe is a game play it.


Chris

[Gringo]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hello again Gringo
Let me know how you get on with the meditation.
Consitancy is important. Ten minutes twice a day to begin with is better than trying to meditate an hour twice a wreek.

Chris

hello greybeard I started my meditations once yesterday and once today (this time in the morning) and it seems like it takes me about 10 minutes just to quiet my mind or not settle on any one thought or to watch them just float by. Although when I tried in the morning it seemed like I was more sucessful. Both times I meditated for about 20 minutes.

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by Gringo

hello greybeard I started my meditations once yesterday and once today (this time in the morning) and it seems like it takes me about 10 minutes just to quiet my mind or not settle on any one thought or to watch them just float by. Although when I tried in the morning it seemed like I was more sucessful. Both times I meditated for about 20 minutes.

Hi Gringo
Youve made a good start.
Getting your mind relativly quiet in 10 minutes is an achievement.

When you can extend your meditation to 30 minutes.
Ive found that from twenty on it shifts a gear so to speak, but dont look for any result, that just gets in the way.

Best wishes
Chris