Worship Is Not Necessary

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by 371

Yes or No?

How can you be above or below or anti something that doesn't exist?

[371]

Answer the question. IF you're so sure of yourself.

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by 371

Answer the question. IF you're so sure of yourself.

There is an assumption in the question, so you have to say, ASSUMING Jesus was born of a virgin and died on the cross for our sins, are you above Jesus?

THEN, I would say, no.

But he didn't. So your question is irrelevant.

In the sense of being above or below, anything, I am above nothing and nobody.

I was put lower than any person has ever been put on this earth, remaining alive. I was put inside a black hole, I was a black hole, literally.

And I am rising again.

It's messianic in that my fall and rise was based on a sacrifice, and faith, and DIVINE intervention, miracles, etc.

There is a New Revelation and there will be a New Age and I am the New Age Messiah.

My sacrifice was accepted by the Goddess.

This is a little bit about the Goddess, from a Wicca website...

http://www.wicca-spirituality.com/goddess-symbols.html

The apple has long been associated with the worship of the Goddess.

Note the story of Eve and the Serpent (one of the eternal Goddess symbols). When Eve ate the apple, she was taking in Divine wisdom - the knowledge that she is Divine. Thus she would become immortal.

The apple seems to have always been associated with death and eternal life.

Walker writes,

"Graves [in Greek Myths, vol. 2] points out that the whole story of Eve, Adam, and the serpent in the tree was deliberately misinterpreted from icons showing the Great Goddess offering life to her worshipper, in the form of an apple, with the tree and its serpent [the sacred guardian] in the background." (Barbara Walker, The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets, p 49.)

Naturally a jealous God - who wants to be the only god - would outlaw such knowledge of one's divinity! But since it is Truth, He couldn't keep it hidden forever. So when it came out, He decided to keep us so busy with survival and pain that we wouldn't have time to notice our divinity.

It worked pretty well!

Luckily the Goddess is more compassionate, and not threatened by others being empowered. She gave us plenty of hints along the way, to remember.

One of these is the apple. Cut in half, its seed bed - the most potent part of the fruit - reveals the sacred 5-pointed star within the circle of apple skin.

This is the pentacle - the expression of One Divinity as all facets of the world.

[371]

You're dancing around it.... if you're so sure of yourself, what do you have to worry about...

If you don't think he existed, then it is a YES is it not?

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by 371

You're dancing around it.... if you're so sure of yourself, what do you have to worry about...

If you don't think he existed, then it is a YES is it not?

You're just baiting me. I am not dumb.

Paul never said a word that Jesus taught. Paul never even mentioned Jesus being a teacher. Paul never mentioned the virgin birth.

IF Jesus was a great teacher and had all these amazing things to say, Paul would have elaborated upon them.

IF Jesus was born of a virgin, Paul would have mentioned it. The idea of messiah as propounded by Christianity RELIES on Jesus being born of a virgin.

Jesus was a militant rebel, trying to force the kingdom of god, like so many in his day and age did, but the kingdom of god was just an independent Israeli state.

Paul made up a religion on the fly. Jesus' teachings are nothing special, and sometimes hideous.

It's the Emperor not wearing clothes things. So much of modern spiritual stuff is based on Jesus being someone special and Israel being God's chosen people. Neither premise is true, both are false.

[371]

Ok........ got my answer, I think it should be pretty clear to everyone else too...

Thank you.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

So much of modern spiritual stuff is based on Jesus being someone special and Israel being God's chosen people. Neither premise is true, both are false.

once upon a time

in a desert of decay

a righteous man

Abraham

found favor in the eyes of God


and as an apple does not fall far from the tree

Abraham was to be the father of a nation

a righteous nation

Israel

found favor in the eyes of God


time turns the pages into past

people do not look up to that they do not see


here is a New Covenant now

for all who believes in the message of the Messiah

and lives up to it

as best as they can

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

You're just baiting me. I am not dumb.

Paul never said a word that Jesus taught. Paul never even mentioned Jesus being a teacher. Paul never mentioned the virgin birth.

IF Jesus was a great teacher and had all these amazing things to say, Paul would have elaborated upon them.

IF Jesus was born of a virgin, Paul would have mentioned it. The idea of messiah as propounded by Christianity RELIES on Jesus being born of a virgin.

Jesus was a militant rebel, trying to force the kingdom of god, like so many in his day and age did, but the kingdom of god was just an independent Israeli state.

Paul made up a religion on the fly. Jesus' teachings are nothing special, and sometimes hideous.

It's the Emperor not wearing clothes things. So much of modern spiritual stuff is based on Jesus being someone special and Israel being God's chosen people. Neither premise is true, both are false.

The Teachings of Jesus (regardless of the source) are the real deal. Most of the rest of the Bible is BS (as usually taught). Paul did not carry out the Great Commission found in Matthew 28:18-20. Egyptology may be the key to properly understanding the Bible. Also consider the Gospel of Thomas and the Book of Enoch. I don't trust any of the Gods and Goddesses. Jesus was opposed to the Royal Model of Divinity and Governance. Jesus could have been a rebel Egyptian insider/whistleblower. Jesus did not command people to build temples and cathedrals...in which to worship and praise him. So who might Christians really be worshipping and praising on Sun-God Day? Could human-sacrifice, worship, and praise really be reptilian requirements? I think we will always need art, music, architecture, churches, clergy, fellowship, etc...but without penitence, human-sacrifice, worship, praise, gods, and goddesses. I like the idea of an Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...without worship, praise, penitence, and sacrifice...which effectively communicates Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Now they're really gonna burn me.

Better Dead Than Rep.

Namaste

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Each of us should seek to balance both the Father / Alpha and Mother / Omega within our beings.

Balance is the key.

No person can will or make themselves to be anything better than what they are in essence.

Any groping to balance yourself or whatever is just ego energy.

Any dogma is just an ego attempt to control and manipulate.

[Northern Boy]

Originally Posted by 371

Look at the world today, the crazy weather patterns and natural disasters... do you really think that is Mother (NATURE) showing her LOVE for us her children???

I think it's like hearing mom in the other room, can't see her but you can tell she's ****** as hell...

Yup and its all our fault like we had as ay in how many mines were opened how many chemical plants got built next to lakes rivers and streams and which forests were clear cut or burnt out . I`m the guy who planned all the pollution . For christ sakes 371 we have been decieved our whole friggen lives and now when many are coming to the realization of it AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT ITS SUPPOSED TO BE ALL OUR FAULTS . mean while you drive a car polluting the air AND BUY THE SAME THINGS as everyone else your ok ............. be the hypocrite if you want but your as guilty as the next guy

[orthodoxymoron]

The first and last commandment should be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'. No one should worship anyone or anything.

Namaste